August 1997

• New Topic: Butthead features Jeff Kesselman
• • New Topic: Butthead features Jon A. Lambert
  • • New Topic: Butthead features Jeff Kesselman
    • • New Topic: Butthead features Jon A. Lambert
      • • New Topic: Butthead features Matt Chatterley
        • • New Topic: Butthead features Jon A. Lambert
          • • New Topic: Butthead features Matt Chatterley
            • New Topic: Butthead features clawrenc@cup.hp.com
            • • New Topic: Butthead features Matt Chatterley
              • • New Topic: Butthead features clawrenc@cup.hp.com
                • • New Topic: Butthead features Matt Chatterley
                  • • New Topic: Butthead features clawrenc@cup.hp.com
                    • • New Topic: Butthead features Jeff Kesselman
                      • • New Topic: Butthead features clawrenc@cup.hp.com
                        • • New Topic: Butthead features Jeff Kesselman
                          • • New Topic: Butthead features clawrenc@cup.hp.com
                            • • New Topic: Butthead features Jeff Kesselman
                              • • New Topic: Butthead features clawrenc@cup.hp.com
                                • • New Topic: Butthead features Jeff Kesselman
                                  • • New Topic: Butthead features Koster, Raph
                                    • • New Topic: Butthead features Jeff Kesselman
                              • New Topic: Butthead features Jon A. Lambert
                              • • New Topic: Butthead features Jeff Kesselman
                                • • New Topic: Butthead features Jon A. Lambert
                          • New Topic: Butthead features Martin Keegan
                          • • New Topic: Butthead features clawrenc@cup.hp.com
              • New Topic: Butthead features Richard Woolcock
              • New Topic: Butthead features Martin Keegan
              • • New Topic: Butthead features coder@ibm.net
      • New Topic: Butthead features Matt Chatterley
  • New Topic: Butthead features Brandon Cline
  • New Topic: Butthead features Matt Chatterley
  • • New Topic: Butthead features Jeff Kesselman
    • • New Topic: Butthead features Matt Chatterley
  • New Topic: Butthead features Koster, Raph
  • • New Topic: Butthead features Jeff Kesselman
    • New Topic: Butthead features Matt Chatterley
  • New Topic: Butthead features clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  • New Topic: Butthead features clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  • New Topic: Butthead features Martin Keegan
  • • New Topic: Butthead features Jeff Kesselman
    • • New Topic: Butthead features Adam Wiggins
    • New Topic: Butthead features clawrenc@cup.hp.com
• PirateMUD and CSL Niklas Elmqvist
• • PirateMUD and CSL Chris Gray
  • • PirateMUD and CSL Koster, Raph
    • PirateMUD and CSL clawrenc@cup.hp.com
    • • PirateMUD and CSL Jon A. Lambert
      • • PirateMUD and CSL clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  • PirateMUD and CSL clawrenc@cup.hp.com
• Sparse Arrays and co-ordinate based worlds Michael Hohensee
• • Sparse Arrays and co-ordinate based worlds Cynbe ru Taren
  • • Sparse Arrays and co-ordinate based worlds Michael Hohensee
  • Sparse Arrays and co-ordinate based worlds Shawn Halpenny
  • Sparse Arrays and co-ordinate based worlds clawrenc@cup.hp.com
• Graphic MUDS/perspectives Koster, Raph
• Ultima Online/Generalized AI Koster, Raph
• Reputation, was butthead features Koster, Raph
• • Reputation, was butthead features Jeff Kesselman
  • • Reputation, was butthead features Koster, Kristen
    • • Reputation, was butthead features Jeff Kesselman
      • • Reputation, was butthead features Adam Wiggins
• Graphic MUDS/perspectives Jeff Kesselman
• Generalized AI Resend Koster, Raph
• • Generalized AI Resend clawrenc@cup.hp.com
• Interview with Richard Bartle clawrenc@cup.hp.com
• Generalized AI last try! Koster, Raph
• Spellcaster, or Waving Hands clawrenc@cup.hp.com
• • Spellcaster, or Waving Hands Chris Gray
  • Spellcaster, or Waving Hands Michael Hohensee
  • • Spellcaster, or Waving Hands clawrenc@cup.hp.com
    • • Spellcaster, or Waving Hands Michael Hohensee
      • • Spellcaster, or Waving Hands clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        • • Spellcaster, or Waving Hands Jon Leonard
          • • Spellcaster, or Waving Hands clawrenc@cup.hp.com
            • • Spellcaster, or Waving Hands Jeff Kesselman
              • • Spellcaster, or Waving Hands Chris Gray
          • Spellcaster, or Waving Hands Michael Hohensee
          • • Spellcaster, or Waving Hands clawrenc@cup.hp.com
      • Spellcaster, or Waving Hands Cynbe ru Taren
      • • Spellcaster, or Waving Hands clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        • • Spellcaster, or Waving Hands Richard Woolcock
          • • Spellcaster, or Waving Hands clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        • Spellcaster, or Waving Hands Nathan Yospe
• Mud Languages Greg Munt
• • MUD languages Chris Gray
  • • MUD languages clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  • Mud Languages Chris Gray
  • • Mud Languages Nathan Yospe
    • • Mud Languages Chris Gray
    • Mud Languages Greg Munt
    • • Mud Languages Captain Burrito
      • Mud Languages Miroslav Silovic
      • • Mud Languages Cynbe ru Taren
        • Mud Languages Jeff Kesselman
      • Mud Languages Chris Gray
      • Mud Languages clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  • Mud Languages coder@ibm.net
  • Mud Languages Jeff Kesselman
  • Mud Languages clawrenc@cup.hp.com
• sorry, cut off, was PirateMUD and CSL Koster, Raph
• Introduction Dan Armstrong
• • Introduction clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  • • Introduction John G.
    • • Introduction clawrenc@cup.hp.com
    • Introduction Dan Armstrong
    • • Introduction clawrenc@cup.hp.com
      • • Introduction Michael Hohensee
• Mud Languages (Introesque) ##Make Nylander
• • Mud Languages (Introesque) ##Make Nylander
  • Mud Languages (Introesque) Nathan Yospe
• Quad-trees/Oct-trees Michael Hohensee
• • Quad-trees/Oct-trees Dan Armstrong
• node-based 3D coord systems Nathan Yospe
• Signing off... Brandon Van Every
• The 'Socialiser' problem Greg Munt
• • The 'Socialiser' problem Nathan Yospe
  • • The 'Socialiser' problem Greg Munt
    • • The 'Socialiser' problem Nathan Yospe
      • • The 'Socialiser' problem Greg Munt
        • • The 'Socialiser' problem Nathan Yospe
      • The 'Socialiser' problem Matt Chatterley
      • The 'Socialiser' problem Chris Gray
  • The 'Socialiser' problem Jeff Kesselman
  • The 'Socialiser' problem Miroslav Silovic
  • The 'Socialiser' problem Martin Keegan
  • The 'Socialiser' problem Matt Chatterley
  • The 'Socialiser' problem clawrenc@cup.hp.com
• Release out! Chris Gray
• Dots in a name? Martin Keegan
• • Dots in a name? Chris Gray
  • • Dots in a name? Matt Chatterley
    • • Dots in a name? Martin Keegan
      • • Dots in a name? Matt Chatterley
  • Dots in a name? clawrenc@cup.hp.com
• Languages: "strong" vs "weak" Chris Gray
• porting question Chris Gray
• New to this mailing list Richard Woolcock
• • New to this mailing list Chris Gray
  • • New to this mailing list Matt Chatterley
    • New to this mailing list Richard Woolcock
    • • New to this mailing list Chris Gray
  • New to this mailing list Marian Griffith
  • • New to this mailing list Martin Keegan
    • • New to this mailing list Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      • • New to this mailing list Jeff Kesselman
        • • New to this mailing list Caliban Tiresias Darklock
          • New to this mailing list Jon A. Lambert
          • • New to this mailing list Jeff Kesselman
            • • New to this mailing list Jon A. Lambert
• NPC Ecologies [was 'New to this mailing list'] Greg Munt
• DemonScape clawrenc@cup.hp.com
• Evolution of The Mud Tree Greg Munt
• OT: Invite Batzing? clawrenc@cup.hp.com
• New Topic: ButtheadS and Jurisprudance Jeff Kesselman
• • New Topic: ButtheadS and Jurisprudance clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  • • New Topic: ButtheadS and Jurisprudance Jeff Kesselman
    • • New Topic: ButtheadS and Jurisprudance clawrenc@cup.hp.com
• Finding Space Michael Hohensee
• • Finding Space Shawn Halpenny
  • • Finding Space Nathan Yospe
  • Finding Space Chris Gray
  • • Finding Space Ned Lovely
    • Finding Space Ned Lovely
    • • Finding Space Chris Gray
  • Finding Space Nathan Yospe
  • • Finding Space Michael Hohensee
      Ok, I should mention that I finally do have a working collision
      detection and space finding system written, even though it
      isn't the most efficent in the world (it is a grinder.. ;).
      I'll post it at the bottom of this message, for those who are
      interested.
      
      Nathan Yospe wrote:
      >
      > On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Michael Hohensee wrote:
      >
      > :I've been working up a system in which objects take up space in a
      > :co-ordinate based world, and I seem to have hit a stumbling block. I
      > :know that others have probably solved this problem (Physmud++ *must*
      > :have had to solve this ;), so maybe someone can help me.
      >
      > Yes and no. Same as collision detection... exactly the same, in fact, as
      > this is a big part of what I consider collision detection. I use spheres
      > around the center of volume (not to be confused with the center of mass)
      > of a group of objects, single composite object, individual components...
      > and then I assume that the particulate (smallest tracked) components are
      > spherical. This reduces any "will I fit?" problem to a series of fast
      > comparisons that only get ugly when a collision is immenent (and since I
      > track in four dimensions, the fourth being a minute projection forward in
      > time, I have a chance to prepare for collisions.)
      >
      > :Here's how it works:
      >
      > :We are representing a three dimensional space, but in this example we'll
      > :restrict it to two dimensions.
      >
      > :4-----------------------------
      > :3------******--------**-------
      > :2------******-----**-**--*****
      > :1----*-******-----**-**-------
      > :0-----------------------------
      > : 0 2 4 6 8 1012
      > : 1 3 5 7 9 11
      > :'-' = empty space, '*' = space taken up by an object.
      >
      > :For simplicity, all objects take up a cubical volume of space (square,
      > :in this case). Objects are held in a tree or linked list of structs
      > :which contain the origin point of the object, and the dimensions of the
      > :object. For example, the big square in the picture above would be
      > :Location=6,1 -- Dimensions=6,3.
      >
      > First off, spheres are simpler in 3D than cubes. Little bit of advice from
      > a graphical engine hand. MUCH simpler.
      >
      > :I can store anything to any location I want, but I want to avoid
      > :overlapping objects onto each other (it's bad), so I need to be able to
      > :find empty space between objects. I can't just try to place an object
      > :in every location, since there isn't any granularity to this space (I
      > :use floats instead of ints).
      >
      > And thus the reason for spheres. Use a transform and a single calculation
      > gives you the shortest distance between two points. Then just check to
      > make sure that's more than the radius of both spheres summed.
      
      Yes, spheres would be a *lot* more resource-friendly, but the problem
      I have with spheres is that they aren't very good at tiling space, since
      there are always little gaps between spheres.
      
      I might be able to get around this by differentiating between the world
      and the objects within it, (world is a cubical construct, objects are
      spheres) but this runs counter to my mud-coding philosophy, which states
      that every component of the world should be able to generally behave
      like
      any other component. (objects can hold worlds of various flavors).
      Putting
      a square inside a circle would probably just drive players (and me)
      nuts.
      :)
      
      I suppose you could overlap some spheres and get full coverage, but how
      do you decide which sphere an object is actually in?
      
      Here's my "solution" I promised you. Note that it is written
      for a linked-list implementation of a container. Depending
      upon the number of objects it contains, I plan to have it
      switch to a more efficient container list. (good old separation
      of implementation from interface.)
      
      struct LL_Holder {
      A_Obj *holding;
      Location *loc;
      };
      
      struct Location {
      double X;
      double Y;
      double Z;
      };
      
      struct Dimensions {
      double Xwidth;
      double Ywidth;
      double Zwidth;
      };
      
      class LL_Container : A_Container {
      
      bool does_overlap(A_Obj *obj, Location *loc)
      {
      LL_Holder *ptr;
      double X, Y, Z, pX, pY, pZ;
      double oX, oY, oZ, opX, opY, opZ;
      
      X = loc->X;
      Y = loc->Y;
      Z = loc->Z;
      pX= obj->my_dimensions->Xwidth;
      pY= obj->my_dimensions->Ywidth;
      pZ= obj->my_dimensions->Zwidth;
      
      
      for (ptr = held; ptr != 0; ptr = ptr->next)
      {
      oX = ptr->loc->X;
      oY = ptr->loc->Y;
      oZ = ptr->loc->Z;
      opX= ptr->holding->my_dimensions->Xwidth;
      opY= ptr->holding->my_dimensions->Ywidth;
      opZ= ptr->holding->my_dimensions->Zwidth;
      
      /* Somewhat hard to read.. I check for
      linear overlap in each dimension.
      To visualize this, draw two cubes, and label
      their origins (X,Y,Z) , and (oX,oY,oZ).
      Label the corner directly opposite the
      origins of the cubes (pX,pY,pZ) and (opX,opY,opZ)
      respectively. Then label the other corners
      appropiately. */
      
      if ( ((oX <= X) && (oX + opX >= X + pX)) ||
      ((oX > X) && ( (oX < X + pX) ||
      (oX + opX < X + pX) )) )
      if ( ((oY <= Y) && (oY + opY >= Y + pY)) ||
      ((oY > Y) && ( (oY < Y + pY) ||
      (oY + opY < Y + pY) )) )
      if ( ((oZ <= Z) && (oZ + opZ >= Z + pZ)) ||
      ((oZ > Z) && ( (oZ < Z + pZ) ||
      (oZ + opZ < Z + pZ) )) )
      return 1;
      }
      return 0;
      }
      
      bool find_space(A_Obj *for_me, Location *loc)
      {
      LL_Holder *ptr;
      Location try, *a_loc = &try;
      double x, y, z;
      double xp, yp, zp;
      
      a_loc->X = 0.0;
      a_loc->Y = 0.0;
      a_loc->Z = 0.0;
      
      if (!does_overlap(for_me, a_loc))
      {
      loc->X = a_loc->X;
      loc->Y = a_loc->Y;
      loc->Z = a_loc->Z;
      return 1;
      }
      
      for (ptr = held; ptr != 0; ptr = ptr->next)
      {
      x = ptr->loc->X;
      y = ptr->loc->Y;
      z = ptr->loc->Z;
      xp = ptr->holding->my_dimensions->Xwidth;
      yp = ptr->holding->my_dimensions->Ywidth;
      zp = ptr->holding->my_dimensions->Zwidth;
      
      a_loc->X = x;
      a_loc->Y = y;
      a_loc->Z = z;
      if (!does_overlap(for_me, a_loc))
      {
      loc->X = a_loc->X;
      loc->Y = a_loc->Y;
      loc->Z = a_loc->Z;
      return 1;
      }
      
      a_loc->X += xp;
      if (!does_overlap(for_me, a_loc))
      {
      loc->X = a_loc->X;
      loc->Y = a_loc->Y;
      loc->Z = a_loc->Z;
      return 1;
      }
      
      a_loc->X -= xp;
      a_loc->Y += yp;
      if (!does_overlap(for_me, a_loc))
      {
      loc->X = a_loc->X;
      loc->Y = a_loc->Y;
      loc->Z = a_loc->Z;
      return 1;
      }
      
      a_loc->Y -= yp;
      a_loc->Z += zp;
      if (!does_overlap(for_me, a_loc))
      {
      loc->X = a_loc->X;
      loc->Y = a_loc->Y;
      loc->Z = a_loc->Z;
      return 1;
      }
      
      a_loc->Y += yp;
      if (!does_overlap(for_me, a_loc))
      {
      loc->X = a_loc->X;
      loc->Y = a_loc->Y;
      loc->Z = a_loc->Z;
      return 1;
      }
      
      a_loc->Y -= yp;
      a_loc->X += xp;
      if (!does_overlap(for_me, a_loc))
      {
      loc->X = a_loc->X;
      loc->Y = a_loc->Y;
      loc->Z = a_loc->Z;
      return 1;
      }
      
      a_loc->Z -= zp;
      a_loc->Y += yp;
      if (!does_overlap(for_me, a_loc))
      {
      loc->X = a_loc->X;
      loc->Y = a_loc->Y;
      loc->Z = a_loc->Z;
      return 1;
      }
      
      a_loc->Z += zp;
      if (!does_overlap(for_me, a_loc))
      {
      loc->X = a_loc->X;
      loc->Y = a_loc->Y;
      loc->Z = a_loc->Z;
      return 1;
      }
      }
      return 0;
      }
      };
      
      --
      Michael Hohensee michael@sparta.mainstream.net
      http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/9025/
      Finger me for my PGP Public Key, or use:
      http://sparta.mainstream.net/michael/pgpkey.txt
  • Finding Space clawrenc@cup.hp.com
• OT: test Odysseus Laertes
• Fuzion - RPG game system Jon Lambert
• Character evolution Richard Woolcock
• • Character evolution Dan Shiovitz
  • • Character evolution Matt Chatterley
    • • Character evolution Richard Woolcock
      • • Character evolution Matt Chatterley
        • • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
          • • Character evolution Matt Chatterley
            • • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
            • Character evolution Adam Wiggins
        • Character evolution Caliban Tiresias Darklock
        • • Character evolution Richard Woolcock
          • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
          • • Character evolution Caliban Tiresias Darklock
        • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  • Character evolution Matt Chatterley
  • Character evolution Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • • Character evolution Matt Chatterley
    • Character evolution Richard Woolcock
    • • Character evolution Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • Character evolution Adam Wiggins
  • • Character evolution Brandon J. Rickman
    • Character evolution Marian Griffith
    • • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
      • Character evolution Matt Chatterley
  • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  • • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
    • • Character evolution Matt Chatterley
      • • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        • • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
          • • Character evolution Koster, Raph
            • • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
            • Character evolution Jon A. Lambert
            • Character evolution coder@ibm.net
            • • Character evolution Jon A. Lambert
              • • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
                • • Character evolution S001GMU@nova.wright.edu
                  • • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
                    • Character evolution Adam Wiggins
                  • Character evolution Jon A. Lambert
          • Character evolution Matt Chatterley
      • Character evolution Marian Griffith
      • • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        • • Character evolution Jon A. Lambert
          • • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
            • • Character evolution Caliban Tiresias Darklock
              • • Character evolution Jon A. Lambert
          • Character evolution coder@ibm.net
    • Character evolution Brandon J. Rickman
    • • Character evolution Richard Woolcock
      • • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        • • Character evolution Ola Fosheim Grøstad
          • • Character evolution Jon A. Lambert
      • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
      • • Character evolution Jon A. Lambert
        • • Character evolution coder@ibm.net
  • Character evolution Jon A. Lambert
  • Character evolution Jon A. Lambert
  • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
  • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
  • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
• OT: test Jon A. Lambert
• Fuzion Jon A. Lambert
• (subject missing) Maddog Worlds
• Fuzion - Game System Jon A. Lambert
• • Fuzion - Game System Frank Crowell
  • Fuzion - Game System Jeff Kesselman
  • Fuzion - Game System Jeff Kesselman
  • • Fuzion - Game System Jon A. Lambert
    • • Fuzion - Game System Jeff Kesselman
• legal mumbo jumbo Jeff Kesselman
• Bladder Control Jeff Kesselman
• • Bladder Control Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• Collision Detection Cynbe ru Taren
• Looking for books... Greg Munt
• • Looking for books... Jeff Kesselman
  • Looking for books... Cynbe ru Taren
  • Looking for books... Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • • Looking for books... Jeff Kesselman
    • • Looking for books... Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      • • Looking for books... Jeff Kesselman
    • Looking for books... clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  • Looking for books... clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  • • Looking for books... coder@ibm.net
  • Looking for books... Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • • Looking for books... coder@ibm.net
  • Looking for books... Jon A. Lambert
  • Looking for books... clawrenc@cup.hp.com
• Re: Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• • Re: Jeff Kesselman
  • • Re: clawrenc@cup.hp.com
    • • Re: Jeff Kesselman
      • • Re: coder@ibm.net
        • • Re: Jeff Kesselman
      • Re: Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      • • Re: Jeff Kesselman
        • • Re: Marian Griffith
          • • Re: Jeff Kesselman
            • Re: Matt Chatterley
            • Re: coder@ibm.net
            • • Re: Jeff Kesselman
              • Re: Marian Griffith
          • Re: Caliban Tiresias Darklock
          • • Re: Jeff Kesselman
      • Re: Marian Griffith
  • Re: Richard Woolcock
• Character evolution Jon A. Lambert
• • Character evolution Marian Griffith
  • • Character evolution Nathan Yospe
    • • Character evolution Jon A. Lambert
    • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
    • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
    • • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
      • • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
        • • Character evolution coder@ibm.net
          • • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
    • Character evolution Jon A. Lambert
    • • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
      • • Character evolution Jon A. Lambert
        • • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
        • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        • • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
          • • Character evolution coder@ibm.net
            • • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
          • Character evolution Felix A. Croes
          • • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
            • • Character evolution Marian Griffith
              • • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
                • • Character evolution Adam Wiggins
                  • • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
                    • • Character evolution Adam Wiggins
                      • • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
                        • • Character evolution Adam Wiggins
                          • • Character evolution Chris Gray
                            • • Character evolution Caliban Tiresias Darklock
                              • • Character evolution ##Make Nylander
                                • Character evolution Brandon J. Rickman
                                • • Character evolution Chris Gray
                            • Character evolution Nathan Yospe
                            • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
                            • Character evolution Maddy
                      • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
                    • Character evolution Marian Griffith
                  • Character evolution Marian Griffith
                • Character evolution Matt Chatterley
    • Character evolution Ned Lovely
    • • Character evolution coder@ibm.net
  • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  • • Character evolution Travis Casey
    • • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
      • Character evolution Chris Gray
      • • Character evolution coder@ibm.net
      • Character evolution coder@ibm.net
      • • Character evolution Travis Casey
        • • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
          • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
          • • Character evolution Travis Casey
            • • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        • Character evolution The Eternal City
        • • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
          • • Character evolution The Eternal City
            • • Character evolution Jon A. Lambert
        • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
        • Character evolution Brian Price
        • • Character evolution Travis Casey
          • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
          • Character evolution Nathan Yospe
          • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        • Character evolution Shawn Halpenny
        • • Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
          • Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
    • Character evolution Adam Wiggins
• Alignment Jon A. Lambert
• • Alignment Richard Woolcock
  • Alignment Jeff Kesselman
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                • • Alignment Jon A. Lambert
                • Alignment clawrenc@cup.hp.com
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  • Alignment Jeff Kesselman
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        • Alignment Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
• DESIGN: R-Trees (fwd) Greg Munt
• • DESIGN: R-Trees (fwd) clawrenc@cup.hp.com
• Alignment & Introductions lapsos
• • Alignment & Introductions Travis Casey
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• Foods (was Character evolution) Marian Griffith
• • Foods (was Character evolution) Matt Chatterley
  • • Foods (was Character evolution) clawrenc@cup.hp.com
    • • Foods (was Character evolution) Matt Chatterley
• Comments on MUDs from Shadists clawrenc@cup.hp.com
• Inebriation Jon A. Lambert
• Language design Greg Munt
• • Language design Jeff Kesselman
  • Language design Chris Gray
  • • Language design clawrenc@cup.hp.com
    • • Language design Chris Gray
• {rape] lets drop it Jeff Kesselman
• • {rape] lets drop it Alex Oren
  • • {rape] lets drop it Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• Invitations coder@ibm.net
• • Invitations coder@ibm.net
• Poisons (was Foods) Koster, Kristen
• • Poisons (was Foods) Travis Casey
  • • Poisons (was Foods) Matt Chatterley
  • Poisons (was Foods) Jon A. Lambert
• META: Attributions and Eudora clawrenc@cup.hp.com
• • META: Attributions and Eudora Jon A. Lambert
• Free DB list coder@ibm.net
• New topic: AI and NPCs Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• • New topic: AI and NPCs Travis Casey
  • • New topic: AI and NPCs Jeff Kesselman
    • • New topic: AI and NPCs Travis Casey
      • • New topic: AI and NPCs Adam Wiggins
        • • New topic: AI and NPCs Jeff Kesselman
          • • New topic: AI and NPCs Travis Casey
            • New topic: AI and NPCs Adam Wiggins
            • • New topic: AI and NPCs Jeff Kesselman
              • • New topic: AI and NPCs Adam Wiggins
                • • New topic: AI and NPCs Jeff Kesselman
                  • • New topic: AI and NPCs clawrenc@cup.hp.com
                    • • New topic: AI and NPCs Jeff Kesselman
                      • • New topic: AI and NPCs clawrenc@cup.hp.com
                      • New topic: AI and NPCs Matt Chatterley
                      • • New topic: AI and NPCs Jon A. Lambert
                        • • New topic: AI and NPCs Matt Chatterley
                        • New topic: AI and NPCs clawrenc@cup.hp.com
                        • • New topic: AI and NPCs Matt Chatterley
                • New topic: AI and NPCs Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • • New topic: AI and NPCs Jeff Kesselman
                  • • New topic: AI and NPCs Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                    • • New topic: AI and NPCs Matt Chatterley
                      • • New topic: AI and NPCs Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                        • • New topic: AI and NPCs Jeff Kesselman
                          • New topic: AI and NPCs Ned Lovely
    • New topic: AI and NPCs Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • New topic: AI and NPCs Nathan Yospe
  • • New topic: AI and NPCs Jeff Kesselman
    • New topic: AI and NPCs Jon A. Lambert
    • • New topic: AI and NPCs Adam Wiggins
      • New topic: AI and NPCs Nathan Yospe
      • • New topic: AI and NPCs Jon A. Lambert
        • • New topic: AI and NPCs Nathan Yospe
  • New topic: AI and NPCs Alex Oren
  • • New topic: AI and NPCs Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • New topic: AI and NPCs Jon A. Lambert
  • • New topic: AI and NPCs coder@ibm.net
    • • New topic: AI and NPCs clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  • New topic: AI and NPCs coder@ibm.net
  • • New topic: AI and NPCs Jeff Kesselman
• Re: clawrenc@cup.hp.com
• • Re: Jeff Kesselman
  • Re: Jon A. Lambert
  • • Re: Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• Rape Threads Nathan Yospe
• • Rape Threads Jon A. Lambert
  • • Rape Threads Nathan Yospe
    • • Rape Threads Robin Carey
  • Rape Threads Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• "Social control", was butthead features Koster, Raph
• • "Social control", was butthead features Jeff Kesselman
  • "Social control", was butthead features clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  • • "Social control", was butthead features Jeff Kesselman
• Character evolution [off topic] Alex Oren
• (fwd) NEW: multi-user VRML world clawrenc@cup.hp.com
• • (fwd) NEW: multi-user VRML world Brandon Gillespie
  • • (fwd) NEW: multi-user VRML world Caliban Tiresias Darklock
    • (fwd) NEW: multi-user VRML world coder@ibm.net
• MUD universe Felix A. Croes
• • MUD universe Chris Gray
  • • MUD universe clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  • MUD universe S001GMU@nova.wright.edu
  • • MUD universe Nathan Yospe
    • • MUD Universe S001GMU@nova.wright.edu
      • • MUD Universe Nathan Yospe
        • • MUD Universe S001GMU@nova.wright.edu
          • MUD Universe clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  • MUD universe coder@ibm.net
  • • MUD universe Felix A. Croes
  • MUD Universe Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • MUD universe clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  • • MUD universe Felix A. Croes
    • • MUD universe Maddy
      • MUD universe clawrenc@cup.hp.com
      • • MUD universe Felix A. Croes
        • • MUD universe clawrenc@cup.hp.com
      • MUD universe clawrenc@cup.hp.com
• MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for books...) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for books...) Jeff Kesselman
  • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for books...) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for books...) Jeff Kesselman
  • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for books...) Chris Gray
  • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for books...) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for books...) coder@ibm.net
      • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for books...) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for books...) Adam Wiggins
  • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for books...) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for books...) Adam Wiggins
      • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for books...) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for books...) coder@ibm.net
  • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for books...) coder@ibm.net
  • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for books...) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Jeff Kesselman
  • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Brian Price
    • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Jeff Kesselman
      • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Jeff Kesselman
      • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Jon A. Lambert
    • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Chris Gray
    • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for coder@ibm.net
    • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Jeff Kesselman
      • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Jeff Kesselman
        • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Chris Gray
          • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Ola Fosheim Grøstad
            • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Chris Gray
              • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Chris Gray
                  • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Jon A. Lambert
                  • • MUD Design Fundamentals(Was: Looking for Jeff Kesselman
                    • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                    • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Jon A. Lambert
                      • • MUD Design Fundamentals(Was: Looking for Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                        • • MUD Design Fundamentals(Was: Looking for Jon A. Lambert
          • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Jon A. Lambert
      • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Jon A. Lambert
      • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Miroslav Silovic
      • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Jeff Kesselman
          • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for coder@ibm.net
      • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for coder@ibm.net
  • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for Jeff Kesselman
• Re: Adam Wiggins
• • Re: Marian Griffith
• Users want sexy muds, not rape... (Re:) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• OT: Mortality coder@ibm.net
• Re:) Adam Wiggins
• • Re:) Jeff Kesselman
  • • Re:) clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  • Re:) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • • Re:) Jeff Kesselman
    • • Re:) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • • Re:) Jeff Kesselman
        • • Re:) Travis Casey
          • • Re:) Jeff Kesselman
            • • Re:) Travis Casey
              • • Re:) Jeff Kesselman
                • Re:) Dan Shiovitz
              • Re:) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
              • • Re:) Jon A. Lambert
              • Re:) Chris Gray
              • • Re:) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
                • Re:) Jeff Kesselman
          • Re:) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • Re:) Adam Wiggins
        • • Re:) Matt Chatterley
        • Re:) Chris Gray
        • • Re:) Jeff Kesselman
  • Re:) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • • Re:) Jeff Kesselman
    • • Re:) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • • Re:) Jeff Kesselman
        • • Re:) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • Re:) Adam Wiggins
  • Re:) clawrenc@cup.hp.com
• Character evolution [off topic] coder@ibm.net
• • Character evolution [off topic] Miroslav Silovic
• **sigh** OOP wars and defining RDBMS Jeff Kesselman
• • **sigh** OOP wars and defining RDBMS Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • • **sigh** OOP wars and defining RDBMS Jeff Kesselman
    • • **sigh** OOP wars and defining RDBMS Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • • **sigh** OOP wars and defining RDBMS Jeff Kesselman
        • • **sigh** OOP wars and defining RDBMS Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• Re:) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• World full of heros Jeff Kesselman
• • World full of heros Marian Griffith
• MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for books. Jon A. Lambert
• • MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for books. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• OT: Re:) Jon A. Lambert
• • OT: Re:) Jeff Kesselman
  • • OT: Re:) Jon A. Lambert
  • OT: Re:) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • • OT: Re:) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
    • OT: Re:) Jon A. Lambert
• Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Brian Price
• • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
  • • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Brian Price
    • • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Jeff Kesselman
      • • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Nathan Yospe
        • • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Brian Price
      • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Miroslav Silovic
  • Hard Sci-fi Muds was Character Evolution Brian Price
  • • Hard Sci-fi Muds was Character Evolution Travis Casey
    • • Hard Sci-fi Muds was Character Evolution Brian Price
      • • Hard Sci-fi Muds was Character Evolution Travis Casey
        • • Hard Sci-fi Muds was Character Evolution Brian Price
    • Hard Sci-fi Muds was Character Evolution Adam Wiggins
    • • Hard Sci-fi Muds was Character Evolution Brian Price
      • • Hard Sci-fi Muds was Character Evolution Adam Wiggins
        • • Hard Sci-fi Muds was Character Evolution Nathan Yospe
  • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Shawn Halpenny
  • • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Brian Price
    • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Brandon J. Rickman
    • • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Chris Gray
      • • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Brandon J. Rickman
        • • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Nathan Yospe
          • • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Brandon J. Rickman
          • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
          • • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Brandon J. Rickman
            • • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Chris Gray
              • • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Brandon J. Rickman
                • • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Jon A. Lambert
                • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Adam Wiggins
              • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
              • • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Brandon J. Rickman
                • • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Adam Wiggins
                  • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution clawrenc@cup.hp.com
            • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Matt Chatterley
          • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Chris Gray
  • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Brian Price
  • Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution Chris Gray
• Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Brian Price
• • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Travis Casey
  • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Jeff Kesselman
  • • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Brian Price
    • • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Jeff Kesselman
      • • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Travis Casey
        • • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Jeff Kesselman
          • • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Travis Casey
            • • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Jeff Kesselman
              • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Brian Price
              • • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Jeff Kesselman
                • • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Travis Casey
                  • • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Jeff Kesselman
      • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Michael Hohensee
  • • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Jeff Kesselman
    • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Jeff Kesselman
    • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Matt Chatterley
  • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  • • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Dan Shiovitz
    • • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Jon A. Lambert
      • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Shawn Halpenny
      • • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Maddy
        • • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Shawn Halpenny
          • • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Adam Wiggins
            • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Travis S. Casey
          • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Travis S. Casey
          • • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Caliban Tiresias Darklock
            • • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Nathan Yospe
            • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Jon A. Lambert
        • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects clawrenc@cup.hp.com
      • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects clawrenc@cup.hp.com
      • • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects Dan Shiovitz
        • • Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects clawrenc@cup.hp.com