August 2005
- SOC: Will company sanctioned cheating hurt the MMOcommunity? Michael Hartman
 - Marketing Niche Online Games Christopher Allen
 - SOC: Will company sanctioned cheating hurtthe MMOcommunity? Michael Hartman
 - DGN: Reasons for play[was: EmergentBehaviors spawnedfrom...] cruise
 - MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3 Adam Miller
 - MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3 lwl@black-knight.org (Lydia Leong)
 - MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3 Pandora
 
- MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3 Marc Bowden
 
- DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviors spawned from...] John Buehler
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviors spawned from...] cruise
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviors spawnedfrom...] Michael Sellers
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] John Buehler
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviors spawnedfrom...] Sean Howard
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] Michael Sellers
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] Sean Howard
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] Amanda Walker
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] Sean Howard
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] Amanda Walker
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] Sean Howard
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: EmergentBehaviorsspawnedfrom...] Michael Sellers
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] Amanda Walker
 - SOC/DGN: Reasons the Sexes Play Jaycen Rigger
 - SOC/DGN: Reasons the Sexes Play Michael Hartman
 - SOC/DGN: Reasons the Sexes Play Sean Howard
 
- DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] Sean Howard
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: EmergentBehaviorsspawnedfrom...] Michael Sellers
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: EmergentBehaviorsspawnedfrom...] Ilia Malkovitch
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: EmergentBehaviorsspawnedfrom...] ghovs
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: EmergentBehaviorsspawnedfrom...] lwl@black-knight.org (Lydia Leong)
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was:EmergentBehaviorsspawnedfrom...] Michael Sellers
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: EmergentBehaviorsspawnedfrom...] Amanda Walker
 
- DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] Amanda Walker
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] Sean Howard
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] Amanda Walker
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] Sean Howard
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] Amanda Walker
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] Sean Howard
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: EmergentBehaviorsspawnedfrom...] Michael Sellers
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: EmergentBehaviorsspawnedfrom...] Sean Howard
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: EmergentBehaviorsspawnedfrom...] Michael Sellers
 - DGN: Reasons for play cruise
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: EmergentBehaviorsspawnedfrom...] Amanda Walker
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: EmergentBehaviorsspawnedfrom...] Matthew D. Fuller
 
- DGN: Reasons for play [was: EmergentBehaviorsspawnedfrom...] Pandora
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: EmergentBehaviorsspawnedfrom...] Matthew D. Fuller
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: EmergentBehaviorsspawnedfrom...] Sean Howard
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: EmergentBehaviorsspawnedfrom...] Arnau Josep RosselloĢ CastelloĢ
 
- DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] Michael Hartman
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was:Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] Michael Sellers
 
- DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] cruise
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] Sean Kelly
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] Damion Schubert
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] lwl@black-knight.org (Lydia Leong)
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] Sean Howard
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] Lachek Butalek
 
- DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviorsspawnedfrom...] Sean Kelly
 
- DGN: Reasons for play [was: EmergentBehaviorsspawnedfrom...] Michael Sellers
 - DGN: Reasons for play [was:EmergentBehaviorsspawnedfrom...] Ren Reynolds
								On 31 August 2005 13:52 Michael Sellers wrote:
> Sean Howard wrote:
>> "Michael Sellers" <mike@onlinealchemy.com> wrote:
>>> Others would disagree - Caillois, Huizinga, LeBlanc, etc.
>> If you wanted to argue why they would disagree, well, that's a
>> discussion. Name dropping is just an appeal to authority, and if
>> there was anyone who that didn't work on, it's me.
> A complete discussion of these authors, interactivity, conflict,
> etc., is beyond the scope of this mailing list, however Robin
> Hunicke and Mark LeBlanc's paper is brief, available online, and
> *highly* worth reading
> (http://algorithmancy.8kindsoffun.com/MDA.pdf) -- IMO this is
> required reading for any designer.
Hunicke et al's paper is fine as one particular, and very applied,
method of thinking about games.
However if people want a grounding in the theory of play / games
that covers authors such as Caillois, Huizinga, Suits, Sutton-Smith,
Salen & Zimmerman, Crawford, all in an easy to digest form with
tables and a big diagram, then imho the best work by far is Jesper
Juul's: The Game, the Player, the World: Looking for a Heart of
Gameness (http://www.jesperjuul.net/text/gameplayerworld/).
For something a lot, well, larger, I'd recommend: Salen &
Zimmerman's Rules of Play (MIT Press).
And if you are really keen, Huizinga etc. are all still in print and
available via all fine online printed-thing outlets.
Ren
www.renreynolds.com
Terranova.blogs.com 
- DGN: Reasons for play [was:EmergentBehaviorsspawnedfrom...] Ren Reynolds
								
 
- SOC: MUD-Dev, Developers, and DGN: Reasons for play, blah-bity-blah-bity-blah... Jaycen Rigger
 
- TECH DGN: Story detection Boyle, Paul
 - TECH DGN: Story detection cruise
 - TECH DGN: Story detection Craig Huber
 - TECH DGN: Story detection Sean Howard
 
- TECH DGN: Story detection Greg B
 - TECH DGN: Story detection Max Battcher
 
- TECH DGN: Story detection Michael Sellers
 - TECH DGN: Story detection Mike Rozak
 - TECH DGN: Story detection paulmc@syd.microforte.com.au
 - TECH DGN: Story detection Mike Rozak
 
- TECH DGN: Story detection Boyle, Paul
 - TECH DGN: Story detection Mike Rozak
 
- TECH DGN: Story detection John Arras
 - TECH DGN: Story detection Mike Rozak
 - TECH DGN: Story detection John Arras
 - TECH DGN: Story detection Mike Rozak
 
- DGN: Random questions about griefers Mike Rozak
 - DGN: Random questions about griefers Peter Harkins
 - DGN: Random questions about griefers Mike Rozak
 - DGN: Random questions about griefers Peter Harkins
 - DGN: Random questions about griefers Mike Rozak
 - DGN: Random questions about griefers Tess Snider
 - DGN: Random questions about griefers Ian Hess
 - DGN: Random questions about griefers Thomas Tomiczek
 - DGN: Random questions about griefers Soy weiser
 
- DGN: Random questions about griefers Michael Hartman
 - DGN: Random questions about griefers Peter Harkins
 - DGN: Random questions about griefers lwl@black-knight.org (Lydia Leong)
 - DGN: Random questions about griefers Miroslav Silovic
 
- DGN: Random questions about griefers Tess Snider
 - DGN: Random questions about griefers Mike Rozak
 
- DGN: Random questions about griefers David Johansson
 - DGN: Random questions about griefers Mike Rozak
 - DGN: Random questions about griefers Nesta Stubbs
 - DGN: Random questions about griefers Peter Harkins
 
- DGN: Random questions about griefers lwl@black-knight.org (Lydia Leong)
 
- DGN: Random questions about griefers John Buehler
 
- Formulae Generation Ximon
 - Formulae Generation Pandora
 - Formulae Generation cruise
 - Formulae Generation Ximon
 
- Formulae Generation Eli Stevens (WG.c)
 
- DGN: Reasons for play [was: Emergent Behaviors spawnedfrom...] Damion Schubert
 - MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 8 Adam Miller
 - MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 8 Sean Howard
 - MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 8 Amanda Walker
 
- DGN: Reasons for play [was: EmergentBehaviorsspawnedfrom...] Michael Sellers
 - MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 27, Issue 9 Dread Quixadhal
 - Democratizing MMOs - new business model chris klaus
 - Democratizing MMOs - new business model Mike Rozak