June 2003
- Damage and Stuff (Math and Code) Ben Chambers
- MMO Launch issues ruining potential segments of the market. Derek Licciardi
- MMO Launch issues ruining potential segments of the market. Mike Shaver
- MMO Launch issues ruining potential segments of the market. Daniel Anderson
- MMO Launch issues ruining potential segments of the market. Chris Holko
- MMO Launch issues ruining potential segments of the market. Matt Mihaly
- MMO Launch issues ruining potential segments of the market. Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- MMO Launch issues ruining potential segments of the market. Justin Coleman
- MMO Launch issues ruining potential segments of th e market. Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- MMO Launch issues ruining potential segments of th e market. Jeff Fuller
- MMO Launch issues ruining potential segments of the market. Matt Mihaly
- MMO Launch issues ruining potential segments of the market. Luca Girardo
- New Column by Dave Rickey "Engines of Creation" Now at Skotos Christopher Allen
- Announcing Shadow Door: an NPC Control Interface for Neverwinter Nights Robert Zubek
- ADMIN: So, what has been happening? J C Lawrence
- [Meta] Forward of moderated message J C Lawrence
- New Here MIKE MacMartin
- Looking for a GUI Mud Development program Snicker Furfoot
- Looking for a GUI Mud Development program Ben Greear
- ADMIN: List archives are now restored. J C Lawrence
- The Price of Being Male Rayzam
- The Price of Being Male Sasha Hart
- The Price of Being Male Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- The Price of Being Male Rayzam
- The Price of Being Male Byron Ellacott
- The Price of Being Male Dr. Cat
- The Price of Being Male Castronova, Edward
- The Price of Being Male Boyle, Paul
- The Price of Being Male Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
- The Price of Being Male Rayzam
- The Price of Being Male Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
- The Price of Being Male Rayzam
- The Price of Being Male Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
- The Price of Being Male Marian Griffith
- The Price of Being Male Paul Schwanz
- The Price of Being Male Rayzam
- The Price of Being Male Paul Schwanz
- The Price of Being Male Vincent Archer
- The Price of Being Male Rayzam
- The Price of Being Male Castronova, Edward
- The Price of Being Male Sasha Hart
- The Price of Being Male Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
- The Price of Being Male Amanda Walker
- The Price of Being Male Richard A. Bartle
- The Price of Being Male Castronova, Edward
- The Price of Being Male Richard A. Bartle
- The Price of Being Male Tazzik
- The Price of Being Male Richard A. Bartle
- The Price of Being Male Tazzik
- The Price of Being Male Richard A. Bartle
- The Price of Being Male Marian Griffith
- The Price of Being Male Sasha Hart
- The Price of Being Male Tom
- The Price of Being Male Marian Griffith
- The Price of Being Male Sasha Hart
- The Price of Being Male Marian Griffith
- The Price of Being Male Sasha Hart
- The Price of Being Male Richard A. Bartle
- The Price of Being Male Castronova, Edward
- The Price of Being Male Richard A. Bartle
- The Price of Being Male Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- The Price of Being Male Paul Schwanz
- The Price of Being Male Daniel Anderson
- The Price of Being Male Travis Casey
- The Price of Being Male Paul Schwanz
- The Price of Being Male Travis Casey
- The Price of Being Male Chris Holko
- The Price of Being Male Travis Casey
- The Price of Being Male Sanvean
- The Price of Being Male Sasha Hart
- The Price of Being Male Tom
- The Price of Being Male Sanvean
- The Price of Being Male Paul Schwanz
- The Price of Being Male Amanda Walker
- The Price of Being Male shop@isparkinson.co.uk
- The Price of Being Male Boyle, Paul
- The Price of Being Male Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- The Price of Being Male Sheela Caur'Lir
- The Price of Being Male Jeff Crane
- Are gold pieces taxable? Koster, Raph
- Are gold pieces taxable? Boyle, Paul
- Are gold pieces taxable? Amanda Walker
- Are gold pieces taxable? Thomas Leavitt
- Are gold pieces taxable? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Functors / Loki (was: New Here) Eli Stevens
- Architecture Peter "Pietro" Rossmann
- Architecture Peter "Pietro" Rossmann
- Architecture ceo
- Architecture Peter "Pietro" Rossmann
- SW:G this is so unfair Marian Griffith
- SW:G this is so unfair Marc Bowden
- SW:G this is so unfair Martin Bassie
- Players policing themselves (was: MMO Launch issues ruining potential segments of themarket.) Derek Licciardi
- Players policing themselves (was: MMO Launch issues ruining potential segments of themarket.) Marian Griffith
In <URL:/archives/meow?group+local.muddev> on Sun 29 Jun, Derek Licciardi wrote:
> From: Matt Mihaly
>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Chris Holko wrote:
>>> Non PvP games are popular because a majority does not care to
>>> have their gameplay dictated to them by another player. Players
>>> CANNOT be trusted to police themselves. Just as you cannot put
>>> code into the client because of hackers you cannot put justice
>>> into the hands of players.
>> Players cannot expect to police themselves, it is true.
Players can police themselves, but PK is rather a crude method.
> I'm not sure I buy this. The entire statement seems to fly in the
> face of the whole "cultural norm" observations happening in many
> MUDs/MMOs. In SB, player killing is largely controlled by the
> city leaders and the siege system. Freehold cities are known for
> their rampant player killing but I can tell you that each of my
> R4+ characters have never been PKed at any point in their
> development. Cultural norms seem to police the player base
> properly and they are most definitely setup by the players. In EQ
> rare, uber spawn points are policed by players through the use of
> lists and other tools. (web sites) As a player you cannot get
> access to those spawns without getting on the list and
> circumventing the list could blacklist your character pretty
> harshly. The same effect happens with discipline rune in SB. I'm
> sure we could all come up with other examples.
The problem with all this is that, to be able to play, each player
MUST be involved (or willing to be involved) in PK activity. This
drives out those players who want a more laid-back experience. It
is of course just a reiteration of the Tailor's dilemma.
You are right that it is a matter of game culture (or societal mo-
res), and so far nobody has been able to provide a good way handle
the dilemma.
Marian
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out of all the seeking, I have found you, young sister of
my heart! You are mine and I am yours - and never again
will there be loneliness ...
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- Players policing themselves (was: MMO Launch issues ruining potential segments of themarket.) Marian Griffith
- Q&A with Ken Troop, Lead Designer at Turbine Michael Tresca
- Q&A with Ken Troop, Lead Designer at Turbine Threshold RPG
- Architecture (Cell Rebalancing) Peter "Pietro" Rossmann
- Architecture (Cell Rebalancing) Zach Collins {Siege}
- Architecture (Cell Rebalancing) Peter "Pietro" Rossmann
- Architecture (Cell Rebalancing) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Architecture (Cell Rebalancing) Peter "Pietro" Rossmann
- Architecture (Cell Rebalancing) Rossmann Peter
- Architecture (Cell Rebalancing) ceo
- Architecture (Cell Rebalancing) Peter "Pietro" Rossmann
- Architecture (Cell Rebalancing) J C Lawrence
- Architecture (Cell Rebalancing) Peter "Pietro" Rossmann
- Architecture (Cell Rebalancing) J C Lawrence
- Architecture (Cell Rebalancing) Rossmann Peter
- Architecture (Cell Rebalancing) Rossmann Peter
- Architecture (Cell Rebalancing) J C Lawrence
- Architecture (Cell Rebalancing) Peter "Pietro" Rossmann
- Architecture (Cell Rebalancing) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Architecture (Cell Rebalancing) Peter "Pietro" Rossmann