May 2001

• Clean Code (was:TECH: reliablity) Dave Rickey
• neat game Matt Mihaly
• • neat game Adam Martin
• Logical MUD Areas Lynx
• • Logical MUD Areas Scion Altera
  • • Logical MUD Areas Ryan P.
    • Logical MUD Areas Elia Morling
    • Logical MUD Areas Greg Munt
    • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
      • • Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
        • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
          • • Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
            • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
              • Logical MUD Areas Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
              • • Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
                • • Logical MUD Areas Koster, Raph
                  • • Logical MUD Areas Adam Martin
                    • Logical MUD Areas Marian Griffith
                    • • Logical MUD Areas Phillip Lenhardt
                      • • Logical MUD Areas Michael Tresca
            • Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
            • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
            • Logical MUD Areas SeronisROTv3@aol.com
        • Logical MUD Areas Greg Munt
        • • Logical MUD Areas Matt Mihaly
          • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
          • • Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
            • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
              • • Logical MUD Areas Eli Stevens
                • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
                  • • Logical MUD Areas S. Patrick Gallaty
                    • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
                      • • Logical MUD Areas Jon Lambert
                        • • Logical MUD Areas Matt Mihaly
                          • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
                        • Logical MUD Areas Scion Altera
                        • • Logical MUD Areas Adam Martin
                    • Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
                    • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
                      • • Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
                        • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
                          • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
        • Logical MUD Areas Adam Martin
        • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
          • Logical MUD Areas Ryan P.
          • Logical MUD Areas Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        • Logical MUD Areas Derek Licciardi
        • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
          • • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
            • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
              • • Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
                • Logical MUD Areas Jon Lambert
                • • Logical MUD Areas Caliban Tiresias Darklock
                • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
            • Logical MUD Areas Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • Logical MUD Areas Scion Altera
      • • Logical MUD Areas Michael Stoddart
        • Logical MUD Areas Greg Munt
        • • Logical MUD Areas Mathue Moyer
      • Logical MUD Areas Kwon Ekstrom
  • Logical MUD Areas Chuk Radder
  • • Logical MUD Areas Scion Altera
    • • Logical MUD Areas Chuk Radder
  • Logical MUD Areas Triem, Brad
  • • Logical MUD Areas shren
    • Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
    • • Logical MUD Areas Brian Hook
      • • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
        • • Logical MUD Areas Brian Hook
          • • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
          • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
          • Logical MUD Areas Ryan P.
          • • Logical MUD Areas Eli Stevens
      • Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
      • • Logical MUD Areas shren
        • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
        • Logical MUD Areas Derek Licciardi
  • Logical MUD Areas Andrew McLaren
  • • Logical MUD Areas Hulbert, Leland
  • Logical MUD Areas Malcolm Tester
  • Logical MUD Areas Greg Munt
• Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Brian 'Psychochild' Green
• • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Koster, Raph
  • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Jon Morrow
    • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Greg Munt
      • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) shren
        • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Greg Munt
          • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Adam Martin
            • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) shren
              • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Bruce
                • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) shren
        • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Jon Morrow
        • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Chris Gray
  • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Matt Mihaly
  • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Brian 'Psychochild' Green
    • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Richard A. Bartle
      • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Koster, Raph
    • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
    • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Matt Mihaly
      • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Koster, Raph
      • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Derek Licciardi
        • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
        • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Luke Carruthers
  • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Dave Rickey
  • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Dave Rickey
      • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) John Buehler
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Batir
• • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Auli
  • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] S. Patrick Gallaty
    • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] John Buehler
    • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Auli
      • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] John Buehler
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Martin Burke
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] John Buehler
    • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Martin Burke
    • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Auli
      • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Batir
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Vincent Archer
          • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Auli
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game des igners] Koster, Raph
            • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Madman Across the Water
              • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Travis Nixon
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Vincent Archer
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Vincent Archer
            • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
              • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] asnellin@san.rr.com
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Dave Rickey
            • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
    • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Eli Stevens
  • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game des igners] Koster, Raph
• [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Frank Crowell
• • [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Baron, Jonathan
  • • [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Travis Nixon
  • [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle shren
  • • [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Adam Martin
• TECH: Distributed Muds asnellin@san.rr.com
• • TECH: Distributed Muds Jon Lambert
  • • TECH: Distributed Muds asnellin@san.rr.com
    • • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
      • • TECH: Distributed Muds Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        • • TECH: Distributed Muds Jon Lambert
          • • TECH: Distributed Muds Vincent Archer
            • • TECH: Distributed Muds Adam Martin
              • • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
          • TECH: Distributed Muds Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
          • • TECH: Distributed Muds Matt Chatterley
        • TECH: Distributed Muds asnellin@san.rr.com
        • • TECH: Distributed Muds shren
          • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
          • • TECH: Distributed Muds asnellin@san.rr.com
            • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
              • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
• Request to mailing list MUD-Dev rejected David Loeser
• • Request to mailing list MUD-Dev rejected Derek Licciardi
• The Four Hour Alchemist J C Lawrence
• • The Four Hour Alchemist Brad Triem
  • • The Four Hour Alchemist Batir
• TECH: non-integral integral types Nathan F.Yospe
• Necessary Stability (was: Logical MUD Areas) Scion Altera
• • Necessary Stability (was: Logical MUD Areas) Vincent Archer
• MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #335 - 25 msgs Jessica Mulligan
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Auli
• • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Sie Ming
  • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Auli
  • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Batir
  • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Madrona Tree
    • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Sie Ming
      • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Madrona Tree
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Nathan F.Yospe
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Adam Martin
            • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game J C Lawrence
              • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Nathan F.Yospe
              • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Nathan F.Yospe
          • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Adam Martin
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Brian Hook
            • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game rayzam
            • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Batir
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Freeman, Jeff
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Luke Carruthers
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Freeman, Jeff
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game shren
      • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Marian Griffith
      • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Madrona Tree
• Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Jessica Mulligan
• Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Greg Munt
• • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
  • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) John Buehler
    • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
      • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) John Buehler
        • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
          • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Tchrin .
            • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
              • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Corey Crawford
                  • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                  • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
                  • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                    • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
        • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Travis Nixon
    • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Matt Mihaly
    • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
      • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Matt Mihaly
        • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) SeronisROTv3@aol.com
          • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Koster, Raph
            • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
            • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Jesse van Herk
            • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Matt Mihaly
            • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Vincent Archer
            • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Nathan F.Yospe
            • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) SeronisROTv3@aol.com
              • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) J C Lawrence
              • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
        • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Lars Duening
  • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Jeremy Noetzelman
  • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) rayzam
    • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Matt Mihaly
    • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Jeremy Noetzelman
  • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ben Sizer
  • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Koster, Raph
    • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ben Sizer
      • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Koster, Raph
• OOC functionality (was: I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers]) Greg Munt
• • OOC functionality (was: I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers]) John Buehler
  • OOC functionality (was: I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers]) Auli
  • • OOC functionality (was: I Want to Forge Swords. [An other letter to game designers]) Hulbert, Leland
• Morality in Game Design (was: Logical MUD Areas) Scion Altera
• • Morality in Game Design (was: Logical MUD Areas) John Buehler
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Freeman, Jeff
• Innovation restrictions Corey Crawford
• • Innovation restrictions John Buehler
  • Innovation restrictions Richard A. Bartle
• Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Where are we now?)) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Where are we now?)) Koster, Raph
• Immersiveness - good or bad? Adam Martin
• • Immersiveness - good or bad? John Buehler
  • • Immersiveness - good or bad? Matt Mihaly
  • Immersiveness - good or bad? Kwon Ekstrom
• Community Goals (was: I Want to Forge Swords.) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
• • Community Goals (was: I Want to Forge Swords.) Eli Stevens
• The effects of object oriented servers on the item database Chambers
• • The effects of object oriented servers on the item database Bryce Harrington
  • • The effects of object oriented servers on the itemdatabase brianleeprice@hotmail.com
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game des Auli
• Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Sie Ming
• • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Hulbert, Leland
  • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Marian Griffith
  • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Phillip Lenhardt
    • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Derek Licciardi
      • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
        • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Koster, Raph
          • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
            • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Adam Martin
              • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Vincent Archer
                • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Andrew Barratt
                • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Adam Martin
                  • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Andrew Barratt
                • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Koster, Raph
            • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
            • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Matt Chatterley
        • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Alex Kay
        • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Brian Hook
          • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
            • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Vincent Archer
            • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Alex Kay
          • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) rayzam
  • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Bruce
• [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Bruce
• • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Chris Gray
  • • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Bruce
  • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Adam Martin
  • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems brian price
  • • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Bruce
    • • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems brianleeprice@hotmail.com
• MUDs, cellphones and mobile players... Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • MUDs, cellphones and mobile players... Christopher Allen
• The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Derek Licciardi
• • The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Adam Martin
  • • The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Derek Licciardi
    • • The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Adam Martin
• The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Chambers
• • The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Neil Brown
  • The effects of object oriented servers on theitem database (Long) Adam Martin
• Black & White on Radio Timothy Dang
• [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Mathue Moyer
• • [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Derek Licciardi
  • • [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Madman Across the Water
    • • [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Derek Snider
      • • [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Lars Duening
  • [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Adam Martin
• The ethics of violence thread J C Lawrence
• UO Volunteer Programs Closed AR Schleicher
• Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Re:Where are we now?)) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Greg Munt
• • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Freeman, Jeff
  • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Phillip Lenhardt
  • • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Bryce Harrington
  • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Bryce Harrington
  • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Kwon Ekstrom
  • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Adam Martin
  • • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Marc Hernandez
  • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Chambers
  • • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Adam Martin
• It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Greg Munt
• • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] F. Randall Farmer
  • • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Matt Mihaly
    • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Greg Munt
    • • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] F. Randall Farmer
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game McManus, Susan
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game J C Lawrence
• [DGN] Moral responsibilities (was Logical MUD Areas) Mathue Moyer
• [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence brian price
• • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Derek Licciardi
    • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Bryce Harrington
      • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Gavin Doughtie
        • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Derek Licciardi
        • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Greg Munt
          • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Kwon Ekstrom
            • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Derek Licciardi
            • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Bruce
      • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Bruce
      • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Kwon Ekstrom
        • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Bruce
          • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Kwon Ekstrom
      • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Jared Nielsen
      • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence brian price
    • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence brian price
    • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence brian price
        • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Alex Kay
    • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Derek Licciardi
• Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Where are we now?)) Koster, Raph
• Characters or Pets? (I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• [Tech] Overlapped I/O Chambers
• • [Tech] Overlapped I/O Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• [MUD-Dev][DGN] encouraging quick-start community for newbies Adam Martin
• • [MUD-Dev][DGN] encouraging quick-start community for newbies rayzam
  • • [MUD-Dev][DGN] encouraging quick-start community for newbies Adam Martin
    • • [MUD-Dev][DGN] encouraging quick-start community for newbies rayzam
  • [MUD-Dev][DGN] encouraging quick-start community for newbies Scion Altera
• [OT] Taking things too far. Scott Stuart
• • [OT] Taking things too far. F. Randall Farmer
  • [OT] Taking things too far. Sayeed
  • [OT] Taking things too far. Frank Crowell
  • • [OT] Taking things too far. Matt Mihaly
    • • [OT] Taking things too far. Scott Stuart
      • • [OT] Taking things too far. John Buehler
        • • [OT] Taking things too far. Matt Mihaly
        • [OT] Taking things too far. Matt Mihaly
  • [OT] Taking things too far. Kevin Littlejohn
  • [OT] Taking things too far. rayzam
  • [OT] Taking things too far. Greg Munt
  • • [OT] Taking things too far. Scott Stuart
    • [OT] Taking things too far. Adam Martin
  • [OT] Taking things too far. F. Randall Farmer
  • • [OT] Taking things too far. Dave Rickey
    • • [OT] Taking things too far. John Buehler
      • • [OT] Taking things too far. Kwon Ekstrom
  • [OT] Taking things too far. Scott Roberts
• Multithreaded servers using objects Chambers
• • Multithreaded servers using objects David Loeser
  • • Multithreaded servers using objects Chambers
• Musashi's Unbelievably Long Rantings Koster, Raph
• Where were we then? Richard A. Bartle
• Emotional Responses to Traumatic Events (Was Logical Mud Areas) Peter Yu
• • Emotional Responses to Traumatic Events (Was Logical Mud Areas) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• [OT] Will this list survive? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
• • [OT] Will this list survive? Taylor
  • [OT] Will this list survive? Batir
• Emotional Responses to Traumatic Events (Was Logical Mud Areas) John W Pierce
• [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence [OT?] Adam Martin
• Emotional Responses to Traumatic Events Matt Mihaly
• MUD-DEv lists archives are currently broken claw@kanga.nu
• [BIZ] Randy's Resume F. Randall Farmer
• • [BIZ] Randy's Resume F. Randall Farmer
  • • [BIZ] Randy's Resume Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
• It's just a game (?) Trump
• WebServer fixed (kinda) J C Lawrence
• Player run reputation system Jussi 'Sulka' Haro
• • Player run reputation system lhulbert@hotmail.com
  • • Player run reputation system shren
    • • Player run reputation system Travis Casey
      • Player run reputation system Matt Mihaly
      • • Player run reputation system Koster, Raph
  • Player run reputation system John Buehler
  • Player run reputation system David Loeser
  • • Player run reputation system Sean Kelly
    • • Player run reputation system Koster, Raph
      • • Player run reputation system Sean Kelly
        • • Player run reputation system Koster, Raph
          • • Player run reputation system Sean K
            • Player run reputation system Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
        • • Player run reputation system Timothy Dang
          • • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
            • • Player run reputation system Geoffrey A. MacDougall
              • • Player run reputation system Timothy Dang
                • • Player run reputation system Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
                • • Player run reputation system Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                  • Player run reputation system John Hopson
                  • • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
                • Player run reputation system shren
                • • Player run reputation system Ola Fosheim Grøstad
            • Player run reputation system Ola Fosheim Grøstad
            • • Player run reputation system Ola Fosheim Grøstad
          • Player run reputation system Taylor
          • • Player run reputation system Valerio Santinelli
            • • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
              • • Player run reputation system Matt Mihaly
                • Player run reputation system Valerio Santinelli
                • • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
                  • • Player run reputation system J Todd Coleman
                    • • Player run reputation system Sean Kelly
                      • Player run reputation system Jon Lambert
                      • Player run reputation system Valerio Santinelli
                      • • Player run reputation system J Todd Coleman
                        • • Player run reputation system Phillip Lenhardt
                          • • Player run reputation system J Todd Coleman
                            • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
                      • Player run reputation system Trump
                      • • Player run reputation system J Todd Coleman
                        • • Player run reputation system McManus, Susan
                          • Player run reputation system Trump
                • Player run reputation system shren
                • • Player run reputation system Valerio Santinelli
                  • • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
    • Player run reputation system Andrew Reisse
    • • Player run reputation system Koster, Raph
    • Player run reputation system Matt Mihaly
• [TECH] 2 papers on python in muds Bruce
• Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lose your balance. Dan Merillat
• • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lose your balance. wrenner@uiuc.edu
  • • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lose your balance. Dan Merillat
    • • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lose your balance. Dave Rickey
      • • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lo se your balance. Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lose your balance. Vincent Archer
    • • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lo se your balance. Andrew Barratt
      • • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lo se your balance. Vincent Archer
• DGN: shard growth patterns? mud-dev-admin@kanga.nu
• • DGN: shard growth patterns? J C Lawrence
  • DGN: shard growth patterns? Ray Cuadro
  • • DGN: shard growth patterns? rayzam
• Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Re:Wher are we now?)) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• [News] NCSoft + Richard Garriott Dave Kennerly
• • [News] NCSoft + Richard Garriott Dragoness
  • • [News] NCSoft + Richard Garriott Freeman, Jeff
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                • Maintaining fiction. Caliban Tiresias Darklock
                  On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 14:40:38 -0700, "Freeman, Jeff"
                  <jfreeman@verant.com> wrote:
                  
                  > Permadeath is impossible to implement because the players next
                  > character might inherit something that his previous character
                  > owned.
                  
                  No it isn't.
                  
                  You could kill the player when his character dies.
                  
                  Hey, I didn't say it was a good idea. But you have to admit it would
                  work, given a reliable remote-delivery system for lethal response.
                  
                  The real technology-driven people will now be thinking about exactly
                  how to design such a system. Find a need and fill it, that's my
                  motto. ;)
                  
                  > So when someone says permadeath is a really bad idea, we should
                  > all just say there's no such thing as permadeath anyway, so it
                  > doesn't really matter whether it is a bad idea or not.
                  
                  I think there's a difference between "implements" and "enforces"
                  permadeath.
                  
                  I've always seen "implements" as meaning "if your character dies,
                  you must make a new character just as though that character had
                  never existed". In other words, the new character inherits *nothing*
                  from the old character, and the fact that it belongs to the same
                  player is irrelevant. The game does not care, and in fact may not
                  even know.
                  
                  You seem to want "enforces", but that creates a problem.
                  
                  Alex gives a bunch of money to Bob and says "give this back to me if
                  I get killed and have to start a new character, I'll use the
                  password SWORDFISH."
                  
                  Alex goes and gets killed, so he starts a new character named
                  Alan. He walks up to Bob and says "Hey, Bob, SWORDFISH." Bob hands
                  him the money.
                  
                  Is that permadeath? Obviously not. So how do we stop it? Simple! We
                  fix it so Alan can't talk to Bob, or anyone else he knows, somehow.
                  
                  Now Alan comes back and says "Hey, Bob, SWORDFISH." Bob doesn't hear
                  him, and the game says "Naughty naughty" or something like that.
                  
                  Chuck, on the other hand, also knows both players. Chuck dies, makes
                  a new character, and comes out to see Bob hanging out in the square
                  and Alan standing there like an idiot trying to figure out why he's
                  naughty. Chuck says "Oh, good morrow, fellow travelers! I have just
                  arrived in this city, where might I find a decent tavern?" -- and
                  the game says "Naughty naughty".
                  
                  Meanwhile, Alan fires up ICQ and messages Bob, saying "The game
                  won't let me talk to you, my new name's Alan, give me the money."
                  And Bob gives him the money.
                  
                  But we're smart, and we set things up so Bob can't give Alan the
                  money because people Alex knew can't give him things either. So Bob
                  messages Alan and says "it doesn't work!" -- Chuck, meanwhile, is
                  wasting the staff's time with why he can't talk in the town square
                  and the game doesn't like him to say he wants to go to a tavern and
                  what's wrong with a little drink now and then anyway you people are
                  all holier-than-thou buttwads.
                  
                  So Bob puts the money in a sack, and drops it. Alan can then walk
                  over to pick it up, but hey -- we're way too smart for this, right?
                  We won't let that happen either. Chuck figures out what's going on
                  and starts bitching at staff about the real problem.
                  
                  Then Dave, who doesn't know any of them, wanders in. Bob says "Hey,
                  Dave, could you give that sack to Alan? The game has a bug or
                  something." So Dave picks up the sack and gives it to Alan. But we
                  stopped that too, because Alan used to know Bob who used to own the
                  sack.
                  
                  In other news, Chuck makes several not at all nice remarks about the
                  staff member's dietary habits vis-a-vis human excrement, the marital
                  status of his parents, and his idea of proper behavior with farm
                  animals. The staff member, of course, immediately sitebans Chuck and
                  good riddance to bad rubbish.
                  
                  So Dave goes into the local grocery store, buys a sack, and puts a
                  matching amount of his own money in it. He walks back and drops a
                  brand new sack Bob has never touched, which Alan picks up. Since the
                  gold has also never belonged to Bob, Alan has no trouble taking it
                  out of the sack.
                  
                  Problem solved; Alan gets his money, and not a damn thing we did
                  could prevent it. We just made a brand new game: "give an old friend
                  some starting capital". And we made it kind of difficult, too.
                  
                  But in the end, NOTHING we did has accomplished ANYTHING except
                  making a whole lot of stuff a big pain in the ass.
                  
                  Me, I say "implements" is fine, and "enforces" is the holy grail of
                  all permadeath zealots. Most people entertain at least a fleeting
                  fantasy of finding it, but only a very few not-quite-sane
                  individuals spend their lives questing for it.
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