May 2001

• Clean Code (was:TECH: reliablity) Dave Rickey
• neat game Matt Mihaly
• • neat game Adam Martin
• Logical MUD Areas Lynx
• • Logical MUD Areas Scion Altera
  • • Logical MUD Areas Ryan P.
    • Logical MUD Areas Elia Morling
    • Logical MUD Areas Greg Munt
    • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
      • • Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
        • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
          • • Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
            • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
              • Logical MUD Areas Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
              • • Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
                • • Logical MUD Areas Koster, Raph
                  • • Logical MUD Areas Adam Martin
                    • Logical MUD Areas Marian Griffith
                    • • Logical MUD Areas Phillip Lenhardt
                      • • Logical MUD Areas Michael Tresca
            • Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
            • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
            • Logical MUD Areas SeronisROTv3@aol.com
        • Logical MUD Areas Greg Munt
        • • Logical MUD Areas Matt Mihaly
          • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
          • • Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
            • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
              • • Logical MUD Areas Eli Stevens
                • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
                  • • Logical MUD Areas S. Patrick Gallaty
                    • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
                      • • Logical MUD Areas Jon Lambert
                        • • Logical MUD Areas Matt Mihaly
                          • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
                        • Logical MUD Areas Scion Altera
                        • • Logical MUD Areas Adam Martin
                    • Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
                    • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
                      • • Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
                        • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
                          • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
        • Logical MUD Areas Adam Martin
        • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
          • Logical MUD Areas Ryan P.
          • Logical MUD Areas Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        • Logical MUD Areas Derek Licciardi
        • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
          • • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
            • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
              • • Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
                • Logical MUD Areas Jon Lambert
                • • Logical MUD Areas Caliban Tiresias Darklock
                • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
            • Logical MUD Areas Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • Logical MUD Areas Scion Altera
      • • Logical MUD Areas Michael Stoddart
        • Logical MUD Areas Greg Munt
        • • Logical MUD Areas Mathue Moyer
      • Logical MUD Areas Kwon Ekstrom
  • Logical MUD Areas Chuk Radder
  • • Logical MUD Areas Scion Altera
    • • Logical MUD Areas Chuk Radder
  • Logical MUD Areas Triem, Brad
  • • Logical MUD Areas shren
    • Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
    • • Logical MUD Areas Brian Hook
      • • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
        • • Logical MUD Areas Brian Hook
          • • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
          • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
          • Logical MUD Areas Ryan P.
          • • Logical MUD Areas Eli Stevens
      • Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
      • • Logical MUD Areas shren
        • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
        • Logical MUD Areas Derek Licciardi
  • Logical MUD Areas Andrew McLaren
  • • Logical MUD Areas Hulbert, Leland
  • Logical MUD Areas Malcolm Tester
  • Logical MUD Areas Greg Munt
• Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Brian 'Psychochild' Green
• • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Koster, Raph
  • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Jon Morrow
    • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Greg Munt
      • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) shren
        • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Greg Munt
          • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Adam Martin
            • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) shren
              • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Bruce
                • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) shren
        • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Jon Morrow
        • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Chris Gray
  • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Matt Mihaly
  • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Brian 'Psychochild' Green
    • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Richard A. Bartle
      • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Koster, Raph
    • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
    • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Matt Mihaly
      • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Koster, Raph
      • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Derek Licciardi
        • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
        • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Luke Carruthers
  • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Dave Rickey
  • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Dave Rickey
      • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) John Buehler
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Batir
• • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Auli
  • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] S. Patrick Gallaty
    • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] John Buehler
    • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Auli
      • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] John Buehler
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Martin Burke
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] John Buehler
    • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Martin Burke
    • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Auli
      • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Batir
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Vincent Archer
          • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Auli
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game des igners] Koster, Raph
            • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Madman Across the Water
              • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Travis Nixon
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Vincent Archer
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Vincent Archer
            • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
              • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] asnellin@san.rr.com
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Dave Rickey
            • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
    • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Eli Stevens
  • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game des igners] Koster, Raph
• [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Frank Crowell
• • [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Baron, Jonathan
  • • [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Travis Nixon
  • [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle shren
  • • [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Adam Martin
• TECH: Distributed Muds asnellin@san.rr.com
• • TECH: Distributed Muds Jon Lambert
  • • TECH: Distributed Muds asnellin@san.rr.com
    • • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
      • • TECH: Distributed Muds Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        • • TECH: Distributed Muds Jon Lambert
          • • TECH: Distributed Muds Vincent Archer
            • • TECH: Distributed Muds Adam Martin
              • • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
          • TECH: Distributed Muds Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
          • • TECH: Distributed Muds Matt Chatterley
        • TECH: Distributed Muds asnellin@san.rr.com
        • • TECH: Distributed Muds shren
          • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
          • • TECH: Distributed Muds asnellin@san.rr.com
            • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
              • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
• Request to mailing list MUD-Dev rejected David Loeser
• • Request to mailing list MUD-Dev rejected Derek Licciardi
• The Four Hour Alchemist J C Lawrence
• • The Four Hour Alchemist Brad Triem
  • • The Four Hour Alchemist Batir
• TECH: non-integral integral types Nathan F.Yospe
• Necessary Stability (was: Logical MUD Areas) Scion Altera
• • Necessary Stability (was: Logical MUD Areas) Vincent Archer
• MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #335 - 25 msgs Jessica Mulligan
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Auli
• • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Sie Ming
  • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Auli
  • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Batir
  • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Madrona Tree
    • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Sie Ming
      • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Madrona Tree
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Nathan F.Yospe
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Adam Martin
            • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game J C Lawrence
              • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Nathan F.Yospe
              • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Nathan F.Yospe
          • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Adam Martin
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Brian Hook
            • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game rayzam
            • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Batir
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Freeman, Jeff
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Luke Carruthers
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Freeman, Jeff
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game shren
      • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Marian Griffith
      • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Madrona Tree
• Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Jessica Mulligan
• Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Greg Munt
• • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
  • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) John Buehler
    • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
      • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) John Buehler
        • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
          • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Tchrin .
            • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
              • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Corey Crawford
                  • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                  • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
                  • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                    • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
        • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Travis Nixon
    • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Matt Mihaly
    • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
      • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Matt Mihaly
        • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) SeronisROTv3@aol.com
          • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Koster, Raph
            • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
            • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Jesse van Herk
            • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Matt Mihaly
            • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Vincent Archer
            • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Nathan F.Yospe
            • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) SeronisROTv3@aol.com
              • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) J C Lawrence
              • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
        • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Lars Duening
  • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Jeremy Noetzelman
  • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) rayzam
    • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Matt Mihaly
    • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Jeremy Noetzelman
  • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ben Sizer
  • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Koster, Raph
    • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ben Sizer
      • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Koster, Raph
• OOC functionality (was: I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers]) Greg Munt
• • OOC functionality (was: I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers]) John Buehler
  • OOC functionality (was: I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers]) Auli
  • • OOC functionality (was: I Want to Forge Swords. [An other letter to game designers]) Hulbert, Leland
• Morality in Game Design (was: Logical MUD Areas) Scion Altera
• • Morality in Game Design (was: Logical MUD Areas) John Buehler
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Freeman, Jeff
• Innovation restrictions Corey Crawford
• • Innovation restrictions John Buehler
  • Innovation restrictions Richard A. Bartle
• Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Where are we now?)) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Where are we now?)) Koster, Raph
• Immersiveness - good or bad? Adam Martin
• • Immersiveness - good or bad? John Buehler
  • • Immersiveness - good or bad? Matt Mihaly
  • Immersiveness - good or bad? Kwon Ekstrom
• Community Goals (was: I Want to Forge Swords.) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
• • Community Goals (was: I Want to Forge Swords.) Eli Stevens
• The effects of object oriented servers on the item database Chambers
• • The effects of object oriented servers on the item database Bryce Harrington
  • • The effects of object oriented servers on the itemdatabase brianleeprice@hotmail.com
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game des Auli
• Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Sie Ming
• • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Hulbert, Leland
  • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Marian Griffith
  • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Phillip Lenhardt
    • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Derek Licciardi
      • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
        • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Koster, Raph
          • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
            • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Adam Martin
              • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Vincent Archer
                • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Andrew Barratt
                • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Adam Martin
                  • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Andrew Barratt
                • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Koster, Raph
            • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
            • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Matt Chatterley
        • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Alex Kay
        • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Brian Hook
          • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
            • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Vincent Archer
            • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Alex Kay
          • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) rayzam
  • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Bruce
• [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Bruce
• • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Chris Gray
  • • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Bruce
  • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Adam Martin
  • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems brian price
  • • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Bruce
    • • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems brianleeprice@hotmail.com
• MUDs, cellphones and mobile players... Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • MUDs, cellphones and mobile players... Christopher Allen
• The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Derek Licciardi
• • The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Adam Martin
  • • The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Derek Licciardi
    • • The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Adam Martin
• The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Chambers
• • The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Neil Brown
  • The effects of object oriented servers on theitem database (Long) Adam Martin
• Black & White on Radio Timothy Dang
• [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Mathue Moyer
• • [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Derek Licciardi
  • • [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Madman Across the Water
    • • [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Derek Snider
      • • [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Lars Duening
  • [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Adam Martin
• The ethics of violence thread J C Lawrence
• UO Volunteer Programs Closed AR Schleicher
• Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Re:Where are we now?)) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Greg Munt
• • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Freeman, Jeff
  • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Phillip Lenhardt
  • • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Bryce Harrington
  • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Bryce Harrington
  • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Kwon Ekstrom
  • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Adam Martin
  • • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Marc Hernandez
  • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Chambers
  • • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Adam Martin
• It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Greg Munt
• • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] F. Randall Farmer
  • • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Matt Mihaly
    • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Greg Munt
    • • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] F. Randall Farmer
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game McManus, Susan
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game J C Lawrence
• [DGN] Moral responsibilities (was Logical MUD Areas) Mathue Moyer
• [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence brian price
• • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Derek Licciardi
    • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Bryce Harrington
      • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Gavin Doughtie
        • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Derek Licciardi
        • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Greg Munt
          • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Kwon Ekstrom
            • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Derek Licciardi
            • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Bruce
      • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Bruce
      • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Kwon Ekstrom
        • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Bruce
          • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Kwon Ekstrom
      • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Jared Nielsen
      • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence brian price
    • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence brian price
    • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence brian price
        • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Alex Kay
    • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Derek Licciardi
• Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Where are we now?)) Koster, Raph
• Characters or Pets? (I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• [Tech] Overlapped I/O Chambers
• • [Tech] Overlapped I/O Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• [MUD-Dev][DGN] encouraging quick-start community for newbies Adam Martin
• • [MUD-Dev][DGN] encouraging quick-start community for newbies rayzam
  • • [MUD-Dev][DGN] encouraging quick-start community for newbies Adam Martin
    • • [MUD-Dev][DGN] encouraging quick-start community for newbies rayzam
  • [MUD-Dev][DGN] encouraging quick-start community for newbies Scion Altera
• [OT] Taking things too far. Scott Stuart
• • [OT] Taking things too far. F. Randall Farmer
  • [OT] Taking things too far. Sayeed
  • [OT] Taking things too far. Frank Crowell
  • • [OT] Taking things too far. Matt Mihaly
    • • [OT] Taking things too far. Scott Stuart
      • • [OT] Taking things too far. John Buehler
        • • [OT] Taking things too far. Matt Mihaly
        • [OT] Taking things too far. Matt Mihaly
  • [OT] Taking things too far. Kevin Littlejohn
  • [OT] Taking things too far. rayzam
  • [OT] Taking things too far. Greg Munt
  • • [OT] Taking things too far. Scott Stuart
    • [OT] Taking things too far. Adam Martin
  • [OT] Taking things too far. F. Randall Farmer
  • • [OT] Taking things too far. Dave Rickey
    • • [OT] Taking things too far. John Buehler
      • • [OT] Taking things too far. Kwon Ekstrom
  • [OT] Taking things too far. Scott Roberts
• Multithreaded servers using objects Chambers
• • Multithreaded servers using objects David Loeser
  • • Multithreaded servers using objects Chambers
• Musashi's Unbelievably Long Rantings Koster, Raph
• Where were we then? Richard A. Bartle
• Emotional Responses to Traumatic Events (Was Logical Mud Areas) Peter Yu
• • Emotional Responses to Traumatic Events (Was Logical Mud Areas) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• [OT] Will this list survive? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
• • [OT] Will this list survive? Taylor
  • [OT] Will this list survive? Batir
• Emotional Responses to Traumatic Events (Was Logical Mud Areas) John W Pierce
• [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence [OT?] Adam Martin
• Emotional Responses to Traumatic Events Matt Mihaly
• MUD-DEv lists archives are currently broken claw@kanga.nu
• [BIZ] Randy's Resume F. Randall Farmer
• • [BIZ] Randy's Resume F. Randall Farmer
  • • [BIZ] Randy's Resume Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
• It's just a game (?) Trump
• WebServer fixed (kinda) J C Lawrence
• Player run reputation system Jussi 'Sulka' Haro
• • Player run reputation system lhulbert@hotmail.com
  • • Player run reputation system shren
    • • Player run reputation system Travis Casey
      • Player run reputation system Matt Mihaly
      • • Player run reputation system Koster, Raph
  • Player run reputation system John Buehler
  • Player run reputation system David Loeser
  • • Player run reputation system Sean Kelly
    • • Player run reputation system Koster, Raph
      • • Player run reputation system Sean Kelly
        • • Player run reputation system Koster, Raph
          • • Player run reputation system Sean K
            • Player run reputation system Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
        • • Player run reputation system Timothy Dang
          • • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
            • • Player run reputation system Geoffrey A. MacDougall
              • • Player run reputation system Timothy Dang
                • • Player run reputation system Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
                • • Player run reputation system Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                  • Player run reputation system John Hopson
                  • • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
                • Player run reputation system shren
                • • Player run reputation system Ola Fosheim Grøstad
            • Player run reputation system Ola Fosheim Grøstad
            • • Player run reputation system Ola Fosheim Grøstad
          • Player run reputation system Taylor
          • • Player run reputation system Valerio Santinelli
            • • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
              • • Player run reputation system Matt Mihaly
                • Player run reputation system Valerio Santinelli
                • • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
                  • • Player run reputation system J Todd Coleman
                    • • Player run reputation system Sean Kelly
                      • Player run reputation system Jon Lambert
                      • Player run reputation system Valerio Santinelli
                      • • Player run reputation system J Todd Coleman
                        • • Player run reputation system Phillip Lenhardt
                          • • Player run reputation system J Todd Coleman
                            • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
                      • Player run reputation system Trump
                      • • Player run reputation system J Todd Coleman
                        • • Player run reputation system McManus, Susan
                          • Player run reputation system Trump
                • Player run reputation system shren
                • • Player run reputation system Valerio Santinelli
                  • • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
    • Player run reputation system Andrew Reisse
    • • Player run reputation system Koster, Raph
    • Player run reputation system Matt Mihaly
• [TECH] 2 papers on python in muds Bruce
• Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lose your balance. Dan Merillat
• • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lose your balance. wrenner@uiuc.edu
  • • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lose your balance. Dan Merillat
    • • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lose your balance. Dave Rickey
      • • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lo se your balance. Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lose your balance. Vincent Archer
    • • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lo se your balance. Andrew Barratt
      • • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lo se your balance. Vincent Archer
• DGN: shard growth patterns? mud-dev-admin@kanga.nu
• • DGN: shard growth patterns? J C Lawrence
  • DGN: shard growth patterns? Ray Cuadro
  • • DGN: shard growth patterns? rayzam
• Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Re:Wher are we now?)) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• [News] NCSoft + Richard Garriott Dave Kennerly
• • [News] NCSoft + Richard Garriott Dragoness
  • • [News] NCSoft + Richard Garriott Freeman, Jeff
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    --- Trump <trump@vividvideo.com> wrote:
    
    > I was spurred to write this by the discussion of perma death on
    > MUD-Dev a while back, but forgot to actually post it....
    
    Let me say up front that I think this is a great post, and most of the
    differences of opinion I'm expressing here are due to underlying
    project goals rather than subjective "right-or-wrongness". I'm using
    it as a backdrop for the neverending design battle between the forces
    of fun and those of realism that we're having to fight while designing
    our game. The game is a commercial MMORPG ( if you'll allow it to be
    called an RPG when I'm through ;) with the mass-market in mind, and
    consequently we have to take into account as many of the different
    player types as possible. Writing an insanely popular RP-only MMOG is
    probably a dream that a lot of people here would like to realize, but
    in reality the mass-market playerbase just doesn't seem to fit well
    into the RP mold.
    
    During our design sessions we constantly come up with great ideas that
    would add realism to our game, and the vast majority of the time those
    ideas fall victim to one of three frustrating conditions:
    
    1) Something I'll call "learning curve baggage" - The player must
    learn how to manipulate this particular stat/skill/item/rule in
    order to be successful in the game, while at the same time the "fun
    factor" of the game doesn't increase at all - it's just busy work.
    Realistic busy work, but busy work nonetheless. We've attempted at
    each occurrence to find a balance between realism and gameplay, but
    it's often a subjective decision whose results will probably need to
    be tweaked or removed during testing.
    
    2) "Exploitability" - How easily the creative player can use this
    feature to gain easy exp/wealth/whatever with little or no risk to
    himself/time invested. People will take the easiest path they can
    find to achieve their desired results and players will gain
    advantage through any loopholes or shortcuts they can find in your
    game. It always seems like if we just added realism in a couple
    more areas that the original problem would go away, but inevitably
    this leads to a realism feature cascades until you're trying to
    simulate the real world entirely just to account for all the
    variables. This is, of course, unlikely to be accomplished by us,
    so removing the offending exploitable feature becomes the other
    alternative. However, in that direction lies a flat, uninteresting
    game world where everything is simple and static. This is unlikely
    to generate any player interest in the game, and hence revenue for
    us, so it's also not what we're looking for. Ouch. Welcome to game
    design.
    
    3) The "Ass Factor" - How will the grief players use this feature to
    annoy or otherwise corrupt the gaming experience for others. Sadly,
    this one seems to come up most often, and usually in addition to at
    least one of the other two. I'd pay top dollar for a reliable
    grief-player auto-ban system, since I have yet to be able to code up
    any Matrix-like anti-grief "Agent" software myself ;)
    
    > Fake death is a fiction breaker. The most important reason to want
    > to have perma death is to keep the all important fiction alive (We
    > are talking about RPGs here right?) I guess you really need to
    > decide early on how important RP is to your game. Most games which
    > profess to be RPGs are really just adventure games(AG) in a fantasy
    > setting.
    
    Agreed. Fake death is a fiction breaker. However, real death is a
    fun-breaker for a lot of players, especially the casual gamers. We
    need to keep those players interested in our game and not feeling like
    they've just wasted a month of their time because all their hard work
    just got his head chopped off by that hill giant they didn't see while
    they were on their way back to town for the night.
    
    As our game is designed to have shards, we've toyed with the idea of
    having a perma-death shard just to see how popular it is, and what
    sort of feedback we get from people who play on it ( and how much of a
    customer service nightmare it is). I suspect it would be a waste of
    hardware, but perhaps someone who has tried it in a commercial venture
    can enlighten me with some real examples.
    
    > Lets look at Everquest. Its almost entirely an AG. What little RP
    > that happens is usually centers around lowbie Ogres and Trolls. Why
    > is that? I'd say it's because they have a defined role which can be
    > played out, and there is very little to break the fiction.
    > Mindlessly kill most things around your town and eat them. That's
    > pretty much how most people would roleplay an Ogre. That's what
    > lowbies in EQ do.
    
    You're right, EQ does not support RP well at all. I'm an avid
    (addicted?) EQ player, and the RPers I've seen in my travels have been
    almost exactly as you describe. Trolls/Ogres seem to be more likely
    to at least speak in character, if not act it, and I would guess that
    the RP percentage for the rest of the races is statistically zero.
    
    I think a lot of the problem is that the majority of players really
    aren't interested in RPing. They're more interested in playing the
    game for the game itself, socializing, and having fun. If we tried to
    shoehorn them into an RP-only situation and they were punished for
    stepping out of character, I think the vast majority of them would
    leave in search of a less restrictive environment. Someone may have
    some real world evidence of this as well.
    
    > My thought is that games like this should not be allowed to call
    > themselves RPGs. In order to actually have an RPG you must keep in
    > character at all times. NEVER break character. This starts with
    > the failings of the devs and bleeds into the minds of the players.
    > When you refer to a monsters as a MOB you are breaking character.
    > Players start talking about MOBs too. It's no longer the evil
    > zombie who must be thwarted, it's now just a level 2 MOB worth 100xp
    > and drops 2-5 gold. There is no roleplay there.
    
    I don't think the mass-market really follows this hardcore definition
    of what an RPG is. It seems like If the game has a character with
    equipment, stats, levels, and things to kill, then it's an RPG,
    whether you're forced to speak in high Victorian English or not.
    
    > Seeing that you have 415 of 533 hit points left is BAD. How can you
    > suspend disbelief and just roleplay when you know that a sword does
    > 12-14 damage and you have 40 hit points? Suddenly someone hitting
    > you with it isnt scary anymore. It's just math. Give some
    > feedback, but hide the numbers. If they are found out, so what, but
    > dont put them out there for everyone to see.
    
    I agree that numbers can draw player focus where you don't want it,
    but giving the proper feedback can be difficult to handle unless you
    don't mind bars of bubbles or graphical depiction of some sort. We
    have not yet addressed which approach we will use in our game, but
    it's going to be either bars or numbers. Simply giving a text message
    like "You scratched/sliced/hit/crushed/smashed/obliterated the Wee
    Green Blobbie" isn't enough feedback IMHO, and since we're trying to
    keep this available to the mass-market, an ESRP rating of "E" (
    Everyone: Ages 6 and up - ok, maybe we're dreaming here ;) would be
    nice - at most "T" ( Teen: ages 13 or over. Violence, mild graphic
    language ), so that means graphical representations like open wounds,
    missing limbs, or visible viscera (alliterated gibs, for those quake
    players out there :) is just not possible. So, we're left with bars
    and numbers. I think we'll probably go with some combination of the
    two.
    
    > In addition to sanctioning of those who refuse to RP, you also want
    > to reward those who do. If your game centers around interaction
    > with the gods you are rewarded by faithful service to your chosen
    > deity. Obviously all gods, even those who are attuned to death and
    > myschif will still be annoyed by OOC activity. Those who roleplay,
    > do smart things and do generous things can gain direct in game
    > benefits from the gods, something that simply would not happen in an
    > AG.
    
    How do you police this though? If you allow the players to police it,
    then grief players will have a heyday reporting people they don't
    like, or just to be a nuisance. It's nearly impossible to have it
    algorithmically policed, especially with free-form text message
    capability, and I'm guessing GM policing would be a large-scale
    nightmare for a popular game.
    
    On the flipside, how do you reward RP activities? They suffer the
    same detection problems as non-RP activities, and the two become
    difficult to differentiate in code.
    
    > Obviously the first thing you need to do is make it relatively hard
    > to die. But this cuts both ways. If you make it hard for players
    > to die you must make it hard for NPCs to die or risk losing
    > immersion. So you need alternatives to death. Win/Lose scenarios
    > that do not inculde someone dying.
    
    > 1. Drop and run. If you make it so that someone carrying nothing
    > will always outrun someone carrying weapons then you have a less
    > harsh win/lose situation. You can drop all your loot and run
    > away.
    
    > 2. Surrender/Ransom. Put in a button that will offer surrender.
    > If accepted the system takes over and the winner gets 1000 gold
    > for ransom and the loser is safely transported back to down.
    > (Much like what happens with fake death in many games). If the
    > winner is expecting 10gold in loot accepting surrender will be, by
    > far, the better option.
    
    I can see people exploiting this to get experience without ever really
    being in danger of dying. They could put all their loot in the bank (
    or give it to a friend, whatever ), grab the nearest rusty sword, and
    just drop it and run whenever they got into trouble. If that approach
    nets them more exp with less risk than "conventional" combat, that's
    all people will do. Your most popular weapons will become the
    cheapest one that can be found while doing the most damage.
    
    Now obviously some tweaks can be made so that this isn't as easy as
    I've just made it out to be, but any backpedaling you do from this
    design means you're sliding closer to the 'easier to die' side of the
    equation, which is also bad. What's the ultimate solution? I wish I
    knew.
    
    > Separating the player from the character by making it a
    > possessed-host model you lighten the impact of that permenant death.
    > You need only possess a new host. The new host can come with an
    > apporpriate selection of equipment and skills already developed so
    > it's no big deal, but you still want there to be some fear of death.
    > Once again this can be tied into the fiction. The gods are not
    > pleased by you allowing the natives to die, so you will not be
    > allowed to possess one that was the same level as the one you left.
    > However if you decide to dispossess your host while he is healthy
    > you can switch to another of similar power. Thus allowing you to
    > escape the evil class/level treadmill, and focus on roleplaying and
    > having fun.
    
    While I think this idea could be a lot of fun, it really doesn't
    foster the sort of character ownership that we're looking for to keep
    our players coming back and paying that monthly subscription fee.
    Each time the player dies ( and the player IS going to die at some
    point unless we've made it next to impossible - which has its own
    barrage of problems ), they have to start from scratch with a new
    character to start relating to, having lost days/weeks/months of hard
    work. Even if you were able to choose a new character with the same
    power as your dead character had, it's still a new persona - nobody
    who knew you before will know you now, your online reputation is lost.
    It's quite a blow, especially to the more casual gamer.
    
    I know I've pitted realism against fun a lot in this post, and I
    realize that for many people RP and realism IS fun. So I guess the
    real question for our design team is how do you design a MMORPG with
    all the realism and RPG features we've come to know and love from the
    pen-and-paper world, while still keeping the fun alive for the mass
    market. What we're trying to do is put ourselves into the shoes of
    the average gamer - people who will log off our game and go play The
    Sims or Rollercoaster Tycoon - people who might not see "fun" where we
    do.
    
    -o-
    Neil
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                        • • Maintaining fiction. Madman Across the Water
                          • • Maintaining fiction. Matt Mihaly
                            • • Maintaining fiction. John Buehler
                              • Maintaining fiction. Ian Collyer
                              • • Maintaining fiction. Madman Across the Water
                                • • Maintaining fiction. Matt Mihaly
                                  • • Maintaining fiction. Madman Across the Water
                                    • Maintaining fiction. Ian Collyer
                                    • • Maintaining fiction. Matt Mihaly
                                    • Maintaining fiction. shren
                                    • • Maintaining fiction. Matt Mihaly
                                      • • Maintaining fiction. shren
                                        • • Maintaining fiction. Matt Mihaly
                                      • Maintaining fiction. Caliban Tiresias Darklock
                                      • • Maintaining fiction. Matt Mihaly
                                        • • Maintaining fiction. Caliban Tiresias Darklock
                                          • Maintaining fiction. Ian Collyer
                                          • • Maintaining fiction. shren
                                      • Maintaining fiction. Travis Casey
                                    • Maintaining fiction. Vincent Archer
                                    • • Maintaining fiction. Matt Mihaly
                                      • • Maintaining fiction. Jon Lambert
                                        • • Maintaining fiction. John Buehler
                                          • • Maintaining fiction. Jon Lambert
                                            • • Maintaining fiction. John Buehler
                                              • Maintaining fiction. Freeman, Jeff
                                          • Maintaining fiction. Matt Mihaly
                                          • • Maintaining fiction. Caliban Tiresias Darklock
                                            • • Maintaining fiction. Travis Nixon
                                              • • Maintaining fiction. J C Lawrence
                                                • Maintaining fiction. Ian Collyer
                                              • Maintaining fiction. Matt Mihaly
                                              • • Maintaining fiction. caduvall@wam.umd.edu
                                                • Maintaining fiction. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                                                • • Maintaining fiction. Matt Mihaly
                                                • Maintaining fiction. Jon Lambert
                                              • Maintaining fiction. Daniel A. Koepke
                                            • Maintaining fiction. Phillip Lenhardt
                                            • • Maintaining fiction. Matt Mihaly
                                            • Maintaining fiction. Freeman, Jeff
                                            • • Maintaining fiction. Matt Mihaly
                                        • Maintaining fiction. Vincent Archer
                                • Maintaining fiction. Matt Mihaly
          • Maintaining fiction. Freeman, Jeff
    • Maintaining fiction. John Buehler
    • Maintaining fiction. shren
    • Maintaining fiction. Matt Mihaly
    • • Maintaining fiction. shren
      • • Maintaining fiction. Matt Mihaly
  • Maintaining fiction. Trump
  • • Maintaining fiction. Brian Hook
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    • • Maintaining fiction. Derek Licciardi
      • • Maintaining fiction. shren
    • Maintaining fiction. Phillip Lenhardt
    • Maintaining fiction. Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • Maintaining fiction. Freeman, Jeff
  • Maintaining fiction. Phillip Lenhardt
  • • Maintaining fiction. Travis Casey
    • Maintaining fiction. J C Lawrence
  • Maintaining fiction. Koster, Raph
  • Maintaining fiction. Peter Tyson
  • • Maintaining fiction. Freeman, Jeff
  • Maintaining fiction. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
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  • Maintaining fiction. Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• Upcoming Commercial, Text-Based Games Jon Morrow
• • Upcoming Commercial, Text-Based Games Bob Cochran
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• • [TECH] Programming languages (was: Neverwinter Nights) John W Pierce
• Spoof implementation Eli Stevens
• BIZ: Online consoles and MUDs Peter Tyson
• • BIZ: Online consoles and MUDs Neil Brown