May 2001

• Clean Code (was:TECH: reliablity) Dave Rickey
• neat game Matt Mihaly
• • neat game Adam Martin
• Logical MUD Areas Lynx
• • Logical MUD Areas Scion Altera
  • • Logical MUD Areas Ryan P.
    • Logical MUD Areas Elia Morling
    • Logical MUD Areas Greg Munt
    • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
      • • Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
        • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
          • • Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
            • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
              • Logical MUD Areas Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
              • • Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
                • • Logical MUD Areas Koster, Raph
                  • • Logical MUD Areas Adam Martin
                    • Logical MUD Areas Marian Griffith
                    • • Logical MUD Areas Phillip Lenhardt
                      • • Logical MUD Areas Michael Tresca
            • Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
            • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
            • Logical MUD Areas SeronisROTv3@aol.com
        • Logical MUD Areas Greg Munt
        • • Logical MUD Areas Matt Mihaly
          • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
          • • Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
            • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
              • • Logical MUD Areas Eli Stevens
                • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
                  • • Logical MUD Areas S. Patrick Gallaty
                    • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
                      • • Logical MUD Areas Jon Lambert
                        • • Logical MUD Areas Matt Mihaly
                          • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
                        • Logical MUD Areas Scion Altera
                        • • Logical MUD Areas Adam Martin
                    • Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
                    • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
                      • • Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
                        • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
                          • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
        • Logical MUD Areas Adam Martin
        • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
          • Logical MUD Areas Ryan P.
          • Logical MUD Areas Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        • Logical MUD Areas Derek Licciardi
        • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
          • • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
            • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
              • • Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
                • Logical MUD Areas Jon Lambert
                • • Logical MUD Areas Caliban Tiresias Darklock
                • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
            • Logical MUD Areas Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • Logical MUD Areas Scion Altera
      • • Logical MUD Areas Michael Stoddart
        • Logical MUD Areas Greg Munt
        • • Logical MUD Areas Mathue Moyer
      • Logical MUD Areas Kwon Ekstrom
  • Logical MUD Areas Chuk Radder
  • • Logical MUD Areas Scion Altera
    • • Logical MUD Areas Chuk Radder
  • Logical MUD Areas Triem, Brad
  • • Logical MUD Areas shren
    • Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
    • • Logical MUD Areas Brian Hook
      • • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
        • • Logical MUD Areas Brian Hook
          • • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
          • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
          • Logical MUD Areas Ryan P.
          • • Logical MUD Areas Eli Stevens
      • Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
      • • Logical MUD Areas shren
        • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
        • Logical MUD Areas Derek Licciardi
  • Logical MUD Areas Andrew McLaren
  • • Logical MUD Areas Hulbert, Leland
  • Logical MUD Areas Malcolm Tester
  • Logical MUD Areas Greg Munt
• Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Brian 'Psychochild' Green
• • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Koster, Raph
  • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Jon Morrow
    • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Greg Munt
      • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) shren
        • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Greg Munt
          • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Adam Martin
            • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) shren
              • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Bruce
                • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) shren
        • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Jon Morrow
        • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Chris Gray
  • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Matt Mihaly
  • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Brian 'Psychochild' Green
    • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Richard A. Bartle
      • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Koster, Raph
    • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
    • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Matt Mihaly
      • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Koster, Raph
      • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Derek Licciardi
        • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
        • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Luke Carruthers
  • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Dave Rickey
  • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Dave Rickey
      • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) John Buehler
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Batir
• • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Auli
  • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] S. Patrick Gallaty
    • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] John Buehler
    • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Auli
      • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] John Buehler
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Martin Burke
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] John Buehler
    • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Martin Burke
    • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Auli
      • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Batir
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Vincent Archer
          • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Auli
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game des igners] Koster, Raph
            • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Madman Across the Water
              • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Travis Nixon
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Vincent Archer
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Vincent Archer
            • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
              • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] asnellin@san.rr.com
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Dave Rickey
            • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
    • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Eli Stevens
  • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game des igners] Koster, Raph
• [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Frank Crowell
• • [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Baron, Jonathan
  • • [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Travis Nixon
  • [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle shren
  • • [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Adam Martin
• TECH: Distributed Muds asnellin@san.rr.com
• • TECH: Distributed Muds Jon Lambert
  • • TECH: Distributed Muds asnellin@san.rr.com
    • • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
      • • TECH: Distributed Muds Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        • • TECH: Distributed Muds Jon Lambert
          • • TECH: Distributed Muds Vincent Archer
            • • TECH: Distributed Muds Adam Martin
              • • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
          • TECH: Distributed Muds Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
          • • TECH: Distributed Muds Matt Chatterley
        • TECH: Distributed Muds asnellin@san.rr.com
        • • TECH: Distributed Muds shren
          • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
          • • TECH: Distributed Muds asnellin@san.rr.com
            • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
              • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
• Request to mailing list MUD-Dev rejected David Loeser
• • Request to mailing list MUD-Dev rejected Derek Licciardi
• The Four Hour Alchemist J C Lawrence
• • The Four Hour Alchemist Brad Triem
  • • The Four Hour Alchemist Batir
• TECH: non-integral integral types Nathan F.Yospe
• Necessary Stability (was: Logical MUD Areas) Scion Altera
• • Necessary Stability (was: Logical MUD Areas) Vincent Archer
• MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #335 - 25 msgs Jessica Mulligan
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Auli
• • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Sie Ming
  • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Auli
  • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Batir
  • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Madrona Tree
    • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Sie Ming
      • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Madrona Tree
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Nathan F.Yospe
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Adam Martin
            • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game J C Lawrence
              • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Nathan F.Yospe
              • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Nathan F.Yospe
          • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Adam Martin
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Brian Hook
            • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game rayzam
            • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Batir
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Freeman, Jeff
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Luke Carruthers
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Freeman, Jeff
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game shren
      • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Marian Griffith
      • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Madrona Tree
• Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Jessica Mulligan
• Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Greg Munt
• • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
  • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) John Buehler
    • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
      • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) John Buehler
        • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
          • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Tchrin .
            • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
              • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Corey Crawford
                  • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                  • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
                  • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                    • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
        • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Travis Nixon
    • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Matt Mihaly
    • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
      • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Matt Mihaly
        • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) SeronisROTv3@aol.com
          • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Koster, Raph
            • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
            • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Jesse van Herk
            • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Matt Mihaly
            • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Vincent Archer
            • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Nathan F.Yospe
            • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) SeronisROTv3@aol.com
              • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) J C Lawrence
              • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
        • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Lars Duening
  • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Jeremy Noetzelman
  • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) rayzam
    • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Matt Mihaly
    • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Jeremy Noetzelman
  • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ben Sizer
  • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Koster, Raph
    • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ben Sizer
      • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Koster, Raph
• OOC functionality (was: I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers]) Greg Munt
• • OOC functionality (was: I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers]) John Buehler
  • OOC functionality (was: I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers]) Auli
  • • OOC functionality (was: I Want to Forge Swords. [An other letter to game designers]) Hulbert, Leland
• Morality in Game Design (was: Logical MUD Areas) Scion Altera
• • Morality in Game Design (was: Logical MUD Areas) John Buehler
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Freeman, Jeff
• Innovation restrictions Corey Crawford
• • Innovation restrictions John Buehler
  • Innovation restrictions Richard A. Bartle
• Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Where are we now?)) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Where are we now?)) Koster, Raph
• Immersiveness - good or bad? Adam Martin
• • Immersiveness - good or bad? John Buehler
  • • Immersiveness - good or bad? Matt Mihaly
  • Immersiveness - good or bad? Kwon Ekstrom
• Community Goals (was: I Want to Forge Swords.) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
• • Community Goals (was: I Want to Forge Swords.) Eli Stevens
• The effects of object oriented servers on the item database Chambers
• • The effects of object oriented servers on the item database Bryce Harrington
  • • The effects of object oriented servers on the itemdatabase brianleeprice@hotmail.com
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game des Auli
• Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Sie Ming
• • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Hulbert, Leland
  • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Marian Griffith
  • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Phillip Lenhardt
    • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Derek Licciardi
      • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
        • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Koster, Raph
          • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
            • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Adam Martin
              • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Vincent Archer
                • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Andrew Barratt
                • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Adam Martin
                  • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Andrew Barratt
                • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Koster, Raph
            • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
            • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Matt Chatterley
        • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Alex Kay
        • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Brian Hook
          • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
            • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Vincent Archer
            • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Alex Kay
          • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) rayzam
  • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Bruce
• [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Bruce
• • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Chris Gray
  • • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Bruce
  • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Adam Martin
  • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems brian price
  • • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Bruce
    • • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems brianleeprice@hotmail.com
• MUDs, cellphones and mobile players... Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • MUDs, cellphones and mobile players... Christopher Allen
• The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Derek Licciardi
• • The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Adam Martin
  • • The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Derek Licciardi
    • • The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Adam Martin
• The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Chambers
• • The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Neil Brown
  • The effects of object oriented servers on theitem database (Long) Adam Martin
• Black & White on Radio Timothy Dang
• [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Mathue Moyer
• • [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Derek Licciardi
  • • [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Madman Across the Water
    • • [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Derek Snider
      • • [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Lars Duening
  • [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Adam Martin
• The ethics of violence thread J C Lawrence
• UO Volunteer Programs Closed AR Schleicher
• Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Re:Where are we now?)) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Greg Munt
• • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Freeman, Jeff
  • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Phillip Lenhardt
  • • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Bryce Harrington
  • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Bryce Harrington
  • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Kwon Ekstrom
  • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Adam Martin
  • • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Marc Hernandez
  • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Chambers
  • • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Adam Martin
• It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Greg Munt
• • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] F. Randall Farmer
  • • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Matt Mihaly
    • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Greg Munt
    • • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] F. Randall Farmer
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game McManus, Susan
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game J C Lawrence
• [DGN] Moral responsibilities (was Logical MUD Areas) Mathue Moyer
• [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence brian price
• • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Derek Licciardi
    • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Bryce Harrington
      • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Gavin Doughtie
        • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Derek Licciardi
        • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Greg Munt
          • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Kwon Ekstrom
            • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Derek Licciardi
            • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Bruce
      • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Bruce
      • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Kwon Ekstrom
        • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Bruce
          • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Kwon Ekstrom
      • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Jared Nielsen
      • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence brian price
    • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence brian price
    • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence brian price
        • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Alex Kay
    • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Derek Licciardi
• Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Where are we now?)) Koster, Raph
• Characters or Pets? (I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• [Tech] Overlapped I/O Chambers
• • [Tech] Overlapped I/O Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• [MUD-Dev][DGN] encouraging quick-start community for newbies Adam Martin
• • [MUD-Dev][DGN] encouraging quick-start community for newbies rayzam
  • • [MUD-Dev][DGN] encouraging quick-start community for newbies Adam Martin
    • • [MUD-Dev][DGN] encouraging quick-start community for newbies rayzam
  • [MUD-Dev][DGN] encouraging quick-start community for newbies Scion Altera
• [OT] Taking things too far. Scott Stuart
• • [OT] Taking things too far. F. Randall Farmer
  • [OT] Taking things too far. Sayeed
  • [OT] Taking things too far. Frank Crowell
  • • [OT] Taking things too far. Matt Mihaly
    • • [OT] Taking things too far. Scott Stuart
      • • [OT] Taking things too far. John Buehler
        • • [OT] Taking things too far. Matt Mihaly
        • [OT] Taking things too far. Matt Mihaly
  • [OT] Taking things too far. Kevin Littlejohn
  • [OT] Taking things too far. rayzam
  • [OT] Taking things too far. Greg Munt
  • • [OT] Taking things too far. Scott Stuart
    • [OT] Taking things too far. Adam Martin
  • [OT] Taking things too far. F. Randall Farmer
  • • [OT] Taking things too far. Dave Rickey
    • • [OT] Taking things too far. John Buehler
      • • [OT] Taking things too far. Kwon Ekstrom
  • [OT] Taking things too far. Scott Roberts
• Multithreaded servers using objects Chambers
• • Multithreaded servers using objects David Loeser
  • • Multithreaded servers using objects Chambers
• Musashi's Unbelievably Long Rantings Koster, Raph
• Where were we then? Richard A. Bartle
• Emotional Responses to Traumatic Events (Was Logical Mud Areas) Peter Yu
• • Emotional Responses to Traumatic Events (Was Logical Mud Areas) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• [OT] Will this list survive? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
• • [OT] Will this list survive? Taylor
  • [OT] Will this list survive? Batir
• Emotional Responses to Traumatic Events (Was Logical Mud Areas) John W Pierce
• [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence [OT?] Adam Martin
• Emotional Responses to Traumatic Events Matt Mihaly
• MUD-DEv lists archives are currently broken claw@kanga.nu
• [BIZ] Randy's Resume F. Randall Farmer
• • [BIZ] Randy's Resume F. Randall Farmer
  • • [BIZ] Randy's Resume Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
• It's just a game (?) Trump
• WebServer fixed (kinda) J C Lawrence
• Player run reputation system Jussi 'Sulka' Haro
• • Player run reputation system lhulbert@hotmail.com
  • • Player run reputation system shren
    • • Player run reputation system Travis Casey
      • Player run reputation system Matt Mihaly
      • • Player run reputation system Koster, Raph
  • Player run reputation system John Buehler
  • Player run reputation system David Loeser
  • • Player run reputation system Sean Kelly
    • • Player run reputation system Koster, Raph
      • • Player run reputation system Sean Kelly
        • • Player run reputation system Koster, Raph
          • • Player run reputation system Sean K
            • Player run reputation system Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
        • • Player run reputation system Timothy Dang
          • • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
            • • Player run reputation system Geoffrey A. MacDougall
              • • Player run reputation system Timothy Dang
                • • Player run reputation system Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
                • • Player run reputation system Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                  • Player run reputation system John Hopson
                  • • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
                • Player run reputation system shren
                • • Player run reputation system Ola Fosheim Grøstad
            • Player run reputation system Ola Fosheim Grøstad
            • • Player run reputation system Ola Fosheim Grøstad
          • Player run reputation system Taylor
          • • Player run reputation system Valerio Santinelli
            • • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
              • • Player run reputation system Matt Mihaly
                • Player run reputation system Valerio Santinelli
                • • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
                  • • Player run reputation system J Todd Coleman
                    • • Player run reputation system Sean Kelly
                      • Player run reputation system Jon Lambert
                      • Player run reputation system Valerio Santinelli
                      • • Player run reputation system J Todd Coleman
                        • • Player run reputation system Phillip Lenhardt
                          • • Player run reputation system J Todd Coleman
                            • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
                      • Player run reputation system Trump
                      • • Player run reputation system J Todd Coleman
                        • • Player run reputation system McManus, Susan
                          • Player run reputation system Trump
                • Player run reputation system shren
                • • Player run reputation system Valerio Santinelli
                  • • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
    • Player run reputation system Andrew Reisse
    • • Player run reputation system Koster, Raph
    • Player run reputation system Matt Mihaly
• [TECH] 2 papers on python in muds Bruce
• Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lose your balance. Dan Merillat
• • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lose your balance. wrenner@uiuc.edu
  • • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lose your balance. Dan Merillat
    • • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lose your balance. Dave Rickey
      • • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lo se your balance. Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lose your balance. Vincent Archer
    • • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lo se your balance. Andrew Barratt
      • • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lo se your balance. Vincent Archer
• DGN: shard growth patterns? mud-dev-admin@kanga.nu
• • DGN: shard growth patterns? J C Lawrence
  • DGN: shard growth patterns? Ray Cuadro
  • • DGN: shard growth patterns? rayzam
• Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Re:Wher are we now?)) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• [News] NCSoft + Richard Garriott Dave Kennerly
• • [News] NCSoft + Richard Garriott Dragoness
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    On Mon 21 May, Sharon Mock wrote:
    >> From: "F. Randall Farmer" <randy.farmer@pobox.com>
    
    >> As you might guess, I'm also not so keen on so-called "virtual
    >> rape." I think it also devalues the very real tragedy of
    >> rape. Similar arguments to above. Harassment <> Rape.
    
    Nobody, or at least not many people, will argue that virtual rape is
    the -same- as a real rape. However, the emotional impact on the
    victim is quite similar.
    
    > Moving this part of the response to a new message...
    
    > I would tend rather to argue that the outrageous weight of the
    > concept of "rape" ("a fate worse than death") tends to devalue forms
    > of assault and torture that don't involve violent sexual penetration
    > and resulting physical damage.
    
    This weight comes from a time when it was quite true. A woman who was
    raped lost all chances on a normal life, mostly because she was the
    one who got blamed for the attack. The kindly inclined would assume
    that it was her own fault, the nasty minded would say that she had
    encouraged the man. She would not be allowed to marry afterwards,
    especially not if she got pregnant. She would also be shunned by her
    community. Not a pleasant prospect for the next forty or fifty years
    of your life... And of course there are plenty of cultures today
    where a woman is likely to be murdered by her own family if she has
    the misfortune to be raped, solely on the fact that she has somehow by
    being at- tacked dishonoured her family name.
    
    > I don't have any patience with an outsider wandering into a
    > conversation and deciding that "u bitch, u suk" qualifies as
    > "cyberrape."
    
    I entirely agree. That is silly on the part of the qualification, and
    name calling on a very childish level for the actual insult.
    
    > But neither do I have any patience with somebody who dares to admit
    > to feeling "violated" by a concerted campaign of humiliation and
    > intimidation being told to "shut up, it's not real rape, you can log
    > out any time you want." (Especially since, last time I checked,
    > logging out of a conflict is considered the province of Losers,
    > Lamers, Bad Sports, and, oh yeah, Wussy Little Girls Who Can't Take
    > What The Boys Dish Out.)
    
    That attitude is what makes the whole experience so much worse.
    
    > Is intent to rape <> rape?
    
    I think that really depends on the perception of the victim. But then
    a lot depends on that with actual rape as well, just as with assault,
    battery and all other types of violent crimes that have more to do
    with power and (loss of) control, than with physical damage.
    
    > Does the real-life evidence [possibly now discredited] that
    > attempted rape is often more traumatic than "the real thing" have
    > pertinence?
    
    > Does it make a difference that it's easier to be virtually cruel?
    
    My guess would be that it is not. Because there is usually no im-
    mediate physical threat involved in virtual crimes the focus is on the
    emotional damage (which tends to be the harder to heal with a real
    rape as well). It also means that the perception of the vic- tim is
    more determining here. What made the lambda moo case so bad for the
    victims is that they appeared to be -doing- things that they did not
    want to do, but were helpless to stop. To them it ap- peared that they
    were overpowered and forced into sexual activity.
    
    Of course if the victim has (been given) reason to belief that the
    attacker is capable of carrying out a physical threat, or reprisal
    then the situation decidedly qualifies as rape. In the Netherlands and
    I think it is the same in the US, intercourse is no longer a
    requirement for a rape charge.
    
    > What about women who exploit relatively trivial incidents in order
    > to gain sympathy? (I'd love to say they don't exist, but.... If it
    > makes me a disloyal feminist, so be it.)
    
    You are right that it happens, and it does not make you either a
    feminist, nor disloyal, to say so :) This is a very difficult li- ne
    to draw. Where does a friendly pat on the shoulder end and does
    (sexual) harassment start? For twenty or so centuries the solution was
    to keep men and women apart entirely, and ignore any situation where
    they had to meet (e.g. marriage). Lately the situation has become
    reversed and a new balance is being sought by society, with currently
    the burden of blame somewhat unfairly on the male side. Of course
    they have little reason to complain, being treated un- fairly for
    about two decades as opposed to twenty centuries :)
    
    > What about women who, for whatever reason, have genuine but
    > exaggerated responses to relatively trivial triggers? What about
    > women who, for whatever reason, deny the seriousness or impact of
    > the behavior to which they are subjected?
    
    The first the administration has to talk with, if only to protect
    everybody involved in the game. This does not mean that the woman in
    question may not have real reasons to behave, nor that her re- action
    should be denied or belittled . Each game develops its own subculture,
    and it may be that a player is more at ease in another game, with
    another culture. In the second case there is very little that can be
    done. Clearly the administration of the game will have to deal with
    any excesses they perceive, but whether or not the victim of them sees
    herself as such they have no control over.
    
    
    marian
    --
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    out of all the seeking, I have found you, young sister of
    my heart! You are mine and I am yours - and never again
    will there be loneliness ...
    
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