May 2001

• Clean Code (was:TECH: reliablity) Dave Rickey
• neat game Matt Mihaly
• • neat game Adam Martin
• Logical MUD Areas Lynx
• • Logical MUD Areas Scion Altera
  • • Logical MUD Areas Ryan P.
    • Logical MUD Areas Elia Morling
    • Logical MUD Areas Greg Munt
    • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
      • • Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
        • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
          • • Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
            • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
              • Logical MUD Areas Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
              • • Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
                • • Logical MUD Areas Koster, Raph
                  • • Logical MUD Areas Adam Martin
                    • Logical MUD Areas Marian Griffith
                    • • Logical MUD Areas Phillip Lenhardt
                      • • Logical MUD Areas Michael Tresca
            • Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
            • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
            • Logical MUD Areas SeronisROTv3@aol.com
        • Logical MUD Areas Greg Munt
        • • Logical MUD Areas Matt Mihaly
          • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
          • • Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
            • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
              • • Logical MUD Areas Eli Stevens
                • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
                  • • Logical MUD Areas S. Patrick Gallaty
                    • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
                      • • Logical MUD Areas Jon Lambert
                        • • Logical MUD Areas Matt Mihaly
                          • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
                        • Logical MUD Areas Scion Altera
                        • • Logical MUD Areas Adam Martin
                    • Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
                    • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
                      • • Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
                        • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
                          • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
        • Logical MUD Areas Adam Martin
        • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
          • Logical MUD Areas Ryan P.
          • Logical MUD Areas Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        • Logical MUD Areas Derek Licciardi
        • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
          • • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
            • • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
              • • Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
                • Logical MUD Areas Jon Lambert
                • • Logical MUD Areas Caliban Tiresias Darklock
                • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
            • Logical MUD Areas Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • Logical MUD Areas Scion Altera
      • • Logical MUD Areas Michael Stoddart
        • Logical MUD Areas Greg Munt
        • • Logical MUD Areas Mathue Moyer
      • Logical MUD Areas Kwon Ekstrom
  • Logical MUD Areas Chuk Radder
  • • Logical MUD Areas Scion Altera
    • • Logical MUD Areas Chuk Radder
  • Logical MUD Areas Triem, Brad
  • • Logical MUD Areas shren
    • Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
    • • Logical MUD Areas Brian Hook
      • • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
        • • Logical MUD Areas Brian Hook
          • • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
          • Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
          • Logical MUD Areas Ryan P.
          • • Logical MUD Areas Eli Stevens
      • Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
      • • Logical MUD Areas shren
        • Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
        • Logical MUD Areas Derek Licciardi
  • Logical MUD Areas Andrew McLaren
  • • Logical MUD Areas Hulbert, Leland
  • Logical MUD Areas Malcolm Tester
  • Logical MUD Areas Greg Munt
• Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Brian 'Psychochild' Green
• • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Koster, Raph
  • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Jon Morrow
    • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Greg Munt
      • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) shren
        • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Greg Munt
          • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Adam Martin
            • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) shren
              • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Bruce
                • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) shren
        • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Jon Morrow
        • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Chris Gray
  • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Matt Mihaly
  • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Brian 'Psychochild' Green
    • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Richard A. Bartle
      • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Koster, Raph
    • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
    • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Matt Mihaly
      • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Koster, Raph
      • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Derek Licciardi
        • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
        • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Luke Carruthers
  • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Dave Rickey
  • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Dave Rickey
      • • Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) John Buehler
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Batir
• • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Auli
  • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] S. Patrick Gallaty
    • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] John Buehler
    • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Auli
      • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] John Buehler
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Martin Burke
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] John Buehler
    • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Martin Burke
    • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Auli
      • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Batir
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Vincent Archer
          • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Auli
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game des igners] Koster, Raph
            • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Madman Across the Water
              • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Travis Nixon
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Vincent Archer
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Vincent Archer
            • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
              • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] asnellin@san.rr.com
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Dave Rickey
            • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
    • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Eli Stevens
  • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game des igners] Koster, Raph
• [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Frank Crowell
• • [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Baron, Jonathan
  • • [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Travis Nixon
  • [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle shren
  • • [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Adam Martin
• TECH: Distributed Muds asnellin@san.rr.com
• • TECH: Distributed Muds Jon Lambert
  • • TECH: Distributed Muds asnellin@san.rr.com
    • • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
      • • TECH: Distributed Muds Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        • • TECH: Distributed Muds Jon Lambert
          • • TECH: Distributed Muds Vincent Archer
            • • TECH: Distributed Muds Adam Martin
              • • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
          • TECH: Distributed Muds Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
          • • TECH: Distributed Muds Matt Chatterley
        • TECH: Distributed Muds asnellin@san.rr.com
        • • TECH: Distributed Muds shren
          • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
          • • TECH: Distributed Muds asnellin@san.rr.com
            • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
              • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
• Request to mailing list MUD-Dev rejected David Loeser
• • Request to mailing list MUD-Dev rejected Derek Licciardi
• The Four Hour Alchemist J C Lawrence
• • The Four Hour Alchemist Brad Triem
  • • The Four Hour Alchemist Batir
• TECH: non-integral integral types Nathan F.Yospe
• Necessary Stability (was: Logical MUD Areas) Scion Altera
• • Necessary Stability (was: Logical MUD Areas) Vincent Archer
• MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #335 - 25 msgs Jessica Mulligan
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Auli
• • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Sie Ming
  • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Auli
  • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Batir
  • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Madrona Tree
    • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Sie Ming
      • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Madrona Tree
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Nathan F.Yospe
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Adam Martin
            • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game J C Lawrence
              • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Nathan F.Yospe
              • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Nathan F.Yospe
          • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Adam Martin
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Brian Hook
            • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game rayzam
            • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Batir
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Freeman, Jeff
        • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Luke Carruthers
          • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Freeman, Jeff
        • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game shren
      • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Marian Griffith
      • • I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Madrona Tree
• Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Jessica Mulligan
• Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Greg Munt
• • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
  • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) John Buehler
    • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
      • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) John Buehler
        • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
          • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Tchrin .
            • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
              • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Corey Crawford
                  • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                  • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
                  • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                    • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
        • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Travis Nixon
    • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Matt Mihaly
    • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
      • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Matt Mihaly
        • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) SeronisROTv3@aol.com
          • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Koster, Raph
            • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
            • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Jesse van Herk
            • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Matt Mihaly
            • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Vincent Archer
            • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Nathan F.Yospe
            • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) SeronisROTv3@aol.com
              • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) J C Lawrence
              • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
        • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Lars Duening
  • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Jeremy Noetzelman
  • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) rayzam
    • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Matt Mihaly
    • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Jeremy Noetzelman
  • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ben Sizer
  • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Koster, Raph
    • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ben Sizer
      • • Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Koster, Raph
• OOC functionality (was: I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers]) Greg Munt
• • OOC functionality (was: I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers]) John Buehler
  • OOC functionality (was: I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers]) Auli
  • • OOC functionality (was: I Want to Forge Swords. [An other letter to game designers]) Hulbert, Leland
• Morality in Game Design (was: Logical MUD Areas) Scion Altera
• • Morality in Game Design (was: Logical MUD Areas) John Buehler
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Freeman, Jeff
• Innovation restrictions Corey Crawford
• • Innovation restrictions John Buehler
  • Innovation restrictions Richard A. Bartle
• Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Where are we now?)) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Where are we now?)) Koster, Raph
• Immersiveness - good or bad? Adam Martin
• • Immersiveness - good or bad? John Buehler
  • • Immersiveness - good or bad? Matt Mihaly
  • Immersiveness - good or bad? Kwon Ekstrom
• Community Goals (was: I Want to Forge Swords.) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
• • Community Goals (was: I Want to Forge Swords.) Eli Stevens
• The effects of object oriented servers on the item database Chambers
• • The effects of object oriented servers on the item database Bryce Harrington
  • • The effects of object oriented servers on the itemdatabase brianleeprice@hotmail.com
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game des Auli
• Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Sie Ming
• • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Hulbert, Leland
  • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Marian Griffith
  • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Phillip Lenhardt
    • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Derek Licciardi
      • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
        • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Koster, Raph
          • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
            • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Adam Martin
              • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Vincent Archer
                • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Andrew Barratt
                • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Adam Martin
                  • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Andrew Barratt
                • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Koster, Raph
            • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
            • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Matt Chatterley
        • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Alex Kay
        • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Brian Hook
          • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
            • • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Vincent Archer
            • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Alex Kay
          • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) rayzam
  • Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Bruce
• [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Bruce
• • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Chris Gray
  • • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Bruce
  • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Adam Martin
  • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems brian price
  • • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Bruce
    • • [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems brianleeprice@hotmail.com
• MUDs, cellphones and mobile players... Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • MUDs, cellphones and mobile players... Christopher Allen
• The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Derek Licciardi
• • The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Adam Martin
  • • The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Derek Licciardi
    • • The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Adam Martin
• The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Chambers
• • The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Neil Brown
  • The effects of object oriented servers on theitem database (Long) Adam Martin
• Black & White on Radio Timothy Dang
• [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Mathue Moyer
• • [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Derek Licciardi
  • • [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Madman Across the Water
    • • [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Derek Snider
      • • [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Lars Duening
  • [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Adam Martin
• The ethics of violence thread J C Lawrence
• UO Volunteer Programs Closed AR Schleicher
• Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Re:Where are we now?)) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Greg Munt
• • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Freeman, Jeff
  • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Phillip Lenhardt
  • • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Bryce Harrington
  • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Bryce Harrington
  • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Kwon Ekstrom
  • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Adam Martin
  • • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Marc Hernandez
  • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Chambers
  • • User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Adam Martin
• It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Greg Munt
• • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] F. Randall Farmer
  • • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Matt Mihaly
    • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Greg Munt
    • • It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] F. Randall Farmer
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game McManus, Susan
• I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game J C Lawrence
• [DGN] Moral responsibilities (was Logical MUD Areas) Mathue Moyer
• [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence brian price
• • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Derek Licciardi
    • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Bryce Harrington
      • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Gavin Doughtie
        • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Derek Licciardi
        • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Greg Munt
          • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Kwon Ekstrom
            • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Derek Licciardi
            • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Bruce
      • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Bruce
      • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Kwon Ekstrom
        • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Bruce
          • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Kwon Ekstrom
      • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Jared Nielsen
      • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence brian price
    • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence brian price
    • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence brian price
        • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Alex Kay
    • [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Derek Licciardi
• Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Where are we now?)) Koster, Raph
• Characters or Pets? (I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• [Tech] Overlapped I/O Chambers
• • [Tech] Overlapped I/O Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• [MUD-Dev][DGN] encouraging quick-start community for newbies Adam Martin
• • [MUD-Dev][DGN] encouraging quick-start community for newbies rayzam
  • • [MUD-Dev][DGN] encouraging quick-start community for newbies Adam Martin
    • • [MUD-Dev][DGN] encouraging quick-start community for newbies rayzam
  • [MUD-Dev][DGN] encouraging quick-start community for newbies Scion Altera
• [OT] Taking things too far. Scott Stuart
• • [OT] Taking things too far. F. Randall Farmer
  • [OT] Taking things too far. Sayeed
  • [OT] Taking things too far. Frank Crowell
  • • [OT] Taking things too far. Matt Mihaly
    • • [OT] Taking things too far. Scott Stuart
      • • [OT] Taking things too far. John Buehler
        • • [OT] Taking things too far. Matt Mihaly
        • [OT] Taking things too far. Matt Mihaly
  • [OT] Taking things too far. Kevin Littlejohn
  • [OT] Taking things too far. rayzam
  • [OT] Taking things too far. Greg Munt
  • • [OT] Taking things too far. Scott Stuart
    • [OT] Taking things too far. Adam Martin
  • [OT] Taking things too far. F. Randall Farmer
  • • [OT] Taking things too far. Dave Rickey
    • • [OT] Taking things too far. John Buehler
      • • [OT] Taking things too far. Kwon Ekstrom
  • [OT] Taking things too far. Scott Roberts
• Multithreaded servers using objects Chambers
• • Multithreaded servers using objects David Loeser
  • • Multithreaded servers using objects Chambers
• Musashi's Unbelievably Long Rantings Koster, Raph
• Where were we then? Richard A. Bartle
• Emotional Responses to Traumatic Events (Was Logical Mud Areas) Peter Yu
• • Emotional Responses to Traumatic Events (Was Logical Mud Areas) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• [OT] Will this list survive? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
• • [OT] Will this list survive? Taylor
  • [OT] Will this list survive? Batir
• Emotional Responses to Traumatic Events (Was Logical Mud Areas) John W Pierce
• [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence [OT?] Adam Martin
• Emotional Responses to Traumatic Events Matt Mihaly
• MUD-DEv lists archives are currently broken claw@kanga.nu
• [BIZ] Randy's Resume F. Randall Farmer
• • [BIZ] Randy's Resume F. Randall Farmer
  • • [BIZ] Randy's Resume Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
• It's just a game (?) Trump
• WebServer fixed (kinda) J C Lawrence
• Player run reputation system Jussi 'Sulka' Haro
• • Player run reputation system lhulbert@hotmail.com
  • • Player run reputation system shren
    • • Player run reputation system Travis Casey
      • Player run reputation system Matt Mihaly
      • • Player run reputation system Koster, Raph
  • Player run reputation system John Buehler
  • Player run reputation system David Loeser
  • • Player run reputation system Sean Kelly
    • • Player run reputation system Koster, Raph
      • • Player run reputation system Sean Kelly
        • • Player run reputation system Koster, Raph
          • • Player run reputation system Sean K
            • Player run reputation system Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
        • • Player run reputation system Timothy Dang
          • • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
            • • Player run reputation system Geoffrey A. MacDougall
              • • Player run reputation system Timothy Dang
                • • Player run reputation system Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
                • • Player run reputation system Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                  • Player run reputation system John Hopson
                  • • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
                • Player run reputation system shren
                • • Player run reputation system Ola Fosheim Grøstad
            • Player run reputation system Ola Fosheim Grøstad
            • • Player run reputation system Ola Fosheim Grøstad
          • Player run reputation system Taylor
          • • Player run reputation system Valerio Santinelli
            • • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
              • • Player run reputation system Matt Mihaly
                • Player run reputation system Valerio Santinelli
                • • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
                  • • Player run reputation system J Todd Coleman
                    • • Player run reputation system Sean Kelly
                      • Player run reputation system Jon Lambert
                      • Player run reputation system Valerio Santinelli
                      • • Player run reputation system J Todd Coleman
                        • • Player run reputation system Phillip Lenhardt
                          • • Player run reputation system J Todd Coleman
                            • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
                      • Player run reputation system Trump
                      • • Player run reputation system J Todd Coleman
                        • • Player run reputation system McManus, Susan
                          • Player run reputation system Trump
                • Player run reputation system shren
                • • Player run reputation system Valerio Santinelli
                  • • Player run reputation system J C Lawrence
    • Player run reputation system Andrew Reisse
    • • Player run reputation system Koster, Raph
    • Player run reputation system Matt Mihaly
• [TECH] 2 papers on python in muds Bruce
• Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lose your balance. Dan Merillat
• • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lose your balance. wrenner@uiuc.edu
  • • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lose your balance. Dan Merillat
    • • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lose your balance. Dave Rickey
      • • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lo se your balance. Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lose your balance. Vincent Archer
    • • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lo se your balance. Andrew Barratt
      • • Asheron's Call: An example of how easy it is to lo se your balance. Vincent Archer
• DGN: shard growth patterns? mud-dev-admin@kanga.nu
• • DGN: shard growth patterns? J C Lawrence
  • DGN: shard growth patterns? Ray Cuadro
  • • DGN: shard growth patterns? rayzam
• Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Re:Wher are we now?)) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• [News] NCSoft + Richard Garriott Dave Kennerly
• • [News] NCSoft + Richard Garriott Dragoness
  • • [News] NCSoft + Richard Garriott Freeman, Jeff
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• Jeff's Rant: A World Full of Wheel-Makers Bruce
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    Bruce writes:
    
    > An old list member, Jeff Kesselman wrote:
    
    > http://www.javagaming.org/WeeklyRant/weeklyrant.html
    
    > Jeff's Rant: A World Full of Wheel-Makers
    
    > Nothing frustrates me more then the amount of duplication of effort
    > going on the in games industry.
    
    This is true regardless of the software domain. Reinventing what has
    gone before is simply the standard technique for software
    'engineering'.
    
    > The answer has been known for a long time, reuse of code and
    > component-ware. Unfortunately the cards are all stacked against such
    > approaches today. You would think that at least within a shop there
    > would be code reuse. However my experiences in the industry suggest
    > that this almost never happens. Why? Ironically the reason I've
    > seen has nothing to do with engineering. It has to do with
    > bookkeeping.
    
    > The typical accounting model for game projects looks at each game
    > project individually as a profit/loss center. A given producer is
    > responsible for tracking the costs of producing the game and seeing
    > that it ultimately earns more then it cost to produce and market. A
    > producer who consistently generates profit will do very well in the
    > industry. A producer who produces a string of losses will soon be
    > looking for a new job. As such it behooves the producer to keep his
    > costs down.
    
    At Microsoft, there is certainly a push towards building utilities and
    tools, such as forms packages, database access layers, graphics
    hardware abstraction packages and the like. These things typically
    only happen when management gets wind of the fact that there are too
    many duplicate projects building the exact same code. So Jeff is
    right on target. Most all engineers that I encounter are very much
    interested in getting past the pathetic techniques that we have today.
    I gave up on my software engineering career after 17 years largely for
    this very reason. I was writing the same danged code at the end of my
    career as I was at the beginning. That time working with components
    kept my career alive for an extra couple years.
    
    > You might think that reusable code would reduce costs, and it would,
    > but that code has to come from somewhere. Reusable code initially
    > costs more to produce then one-off problem-specific hacks. There is
    > no incentive in the system for the producer to spend a penny on
    > future games, and every reason not too if it will impact his current
    > game's budget. As a result, game engineers are directed and
    > scheduled to produce only what is needed for the current project and
    > not a line of code more. The reason is that there is no global
    > accounting that credits people for doing work that helps the company
    > produce multiple products.
    
    There is also no push back from consumers to get companies to stop
    producing the crap that they do. I believe that this is true due to
    the lack of competition - nobody is cranking out high quality software
    that can compete at the feature level with the buggy stuff. Microsoft
    is very good at walking the line between features and quality. Where
    the quality lacks, there are features to make sure that it's not too
    painful.
    
    > Some game companies attempt to solve this be creating separate "R&D"
    > or "Tool" engineering groups. The role of these groups is to think
    > further ahead then just the next game and produce technologies that
    > will benefit many game projects. Unfortunately these groups still
    > often fall prey to the balance sheet.
    
    So true.
    
    > So what are the solutions? If I had a 100% sure fire fix this would
    > be an MBA thesis, not a rant. I do have some suggestions though:
    > Stop thinking in terms of individual products and start thinking in
    > terms of suites of products built on top of generic engines. I
    > don't mean very game specific engines like the Quake engine, but
    > rather game genre and or functional engines, such as Sierra Online
    > used. (Very successfully, I might add, until they were bought out
    > by someone who didn't understand their business model.)
    
    I certainly agree with this attitude shift, but I suspect that the
    first war that needs to be won is that of the most primitive
    components and the infrastructure needed in the software industry as a
    whole for ensuring that components become practical. I don't know
    about you folks, but I don't want to write another balanced binary
    tree, or a quad-tree or the thirty or so other algorithmics that we
    carry around in our heads and in old code. Surely these can be nailed
    down. They are known quantities.
    
    The more domain specific we go, the less the stability in algorithms
    and data and the less willing companies are to sell their components
    at anything approaching a reasonable cost. The wider the appeal, the
    higher the volume of sales, and the more domain specific, the less
    broad the appeal. This is part of the infrastructure I was referring
    to in the prior paragraph.
    
    > Fight the NIH complex. There are specialists out there who want to
    > write components for us. Lets try to encourage that by looking for
    > external solutions first and only engineering either the core unique
    > parts of our games or places where the externally available
    > components can't be reasonably made to fit. At times this may mean
    > diverging slightly from our original game designs but the payoffs
    > are well worth it.
    
    While NIH makes me want to beat my head against walls sometimes, I
    find myself doing it myself. I do it because I love the creative
    aspects of my job. I don't think that encouraging NIH to vanish is
    necessarily a good thing. What we might want to do instead is to let
    NIH run rampant, but at a higher level. Let's not reinvent *every*
    wheel, but let's also not give up on coming up with new solutions to
    problems.
    
    I firmly believe that once quality (i.e. no-brainer) components are
    available, engineers will snap them up and start building new packages
    that they couldn't build before because of the resources needed to
    build them from scratch. Engineers want to build new things that have
    never been done before. If they could devote their creative energies
    to new solutions, we'd be making some amazing progress. I desperately
    look forward to the days when I go to the web to search through
    libraries of components for the ones that I need on my project and
    then, after figuring out the licensing fees for the ones I want to
    use, decide how much I can afford to charge for my product and how
    much additional time I want to spend on writing new components. And
    further considering how I might turn them into a revenue stream.
    
    > Industry Standards! The best way to encourage both the development
    > and sue of component ware is through the development of industry
    > standard APIs and data formats. These allow code to be easily
    > separated while still communicating closely in the final
    > application. Furthermore they reduce the risk of using third party
    > components by providing the possibility of plug-replacing those that
    > might not live up to our hopes or needs.
    
    Agreed. One way that this may come into being is when a software
    powerhouse simply starts doing it, producing a de facto standard that
    the rest of the world will follow. Not a standard like CORBA, that
    isn't in widespread use, but a standard that every Tom, Dick and
    Harriet is coding to because it's in their face and it works.
    
    > Number One above is a change that has to happen in game production
    > management. I'd call on those in such management positions to
    > consider this and discuss it with your technical experts.
    
    I'd be very surprised if the game industry took the lead in such a
    thing. I'd certainly be in the front row of those cheering the
    attempt, however.
    
    I've often wondered what would happen to the software world if CPU
    speeds, data capacities and communication speeds levelled off. Would
    the loss of a moving target permit more in-depth examinations of how
    to build software that satisfies certain interactivity and data
    capacity requirements? I almost yearn for the day when the computer
    itself becomes more of a standard.
    
    > By contrast Two and Three are things engineers can directly address
    > and make happen. We ARE the technical experts and these are choices
    > we can make or at least strongly encourage our management to make. A
    > focus on Java API's for gaming seeks to address these very problems.
    
    Be careful what you wish for. You might get it.
    
    It's pretty scary to think of getting all this stuff standardized, but
    done in some heinous way that we're stuck with for 20 years until it
    becomes so unweildy that somebody decides it has to change. Not
    unlike where we are today.
    
    Good thoughts from Jeff.
    
    JB
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