May 2001
- Clean Code (was:TECH: reliablity) Dave Rickey
- neat game Matt Mihaly
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- Logical MUD Areas Lynx
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- Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
- Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
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- Logical MUD Areas Brad Triem
- Logical MUD Areas Koster, Raph
- Logical MUD Areas Adam Martin
- Logical MUD Areas Marian Griffith
- Logical MUD Areas Phillip Lenhardt
- Logical MUD Areas Michael Tresca
- Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
- Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
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- Logical MUD Areas Greg Munt
- Logical MUD Areas Matt Mihaly
- Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
- Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
- Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
- Logical MUD Areas Eli Stevens
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- Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
- Logical MUD Areas Jon Lambert
- Logical MUD Areas Matt Mihaly
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- Logical MUD Areas Scion Altera
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- Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
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- Logical MUD Areas Kevin Littlejohn
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- Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
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- Logical MUD Areas Ryan P.
- Logical MUD Areas Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Logical MUD Areas Derek Licciardi
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- Logical MUD Areas Travis Nixon
- Logical MUD Areas John Buehler
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- Logical MUD Areas Brian Hook
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- Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Brian 'Psychochild' Green
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- Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Matt Mihaly
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- Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Richard A. Bartle
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- Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
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- Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Derek Licciardi
- Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
- Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Luke Carruthers
- Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Dave Rickey
- Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) Dave Rickey
- Information sharing (was: Where are we now?) John Buehler
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Batir
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Auli
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] S. Patrick Gallaty
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] John Buehler
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Martin Burke
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Auli
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Batir
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Vincent Archer
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Auli
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game des igners] Koster, Raph
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Madman Across the Water
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Travis Nixon
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Vincent Archer
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Vincent Archer
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] asnellin@san.rr.com
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Dave Rickey
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers] Eli Stevens
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game des igners] Koster, Raph
- [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Frank Crowell
- [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Baron, Jonathan
- [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Travis Nixon
- [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle shren
- [biz] Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Adam Martin
- TECH: Distributed Muds asnellin@san.rr.com
- TECH: Distributed Muds Jon Lambert
- TECH: Distributed Muds asnellin@san.rr.com
- TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
- TECH: Distributed Muds Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- TECH: Distributed Muds Jon Lambert
- TECH: Distributed Muds Vincent Archer
- TECH: Distributed Muds Adam Martin
- TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
- TECH: Distributed Muds Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- TECH: Distributed Muds Matt Chatterley
- TECH: Distributed Muds asnellin@san.rr.com
- TECH: Distributed Muds shren
- TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
- TECH: Distributed Muds asnellin@san.rr.com
- TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
- TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
- Request to mailing list MUD-Dev rejected David Loeser
- Request to mailing list MUD-Dev rejected Derek Licciardi
- The Four Hour Alchemist J C Lawrence
- The Four Hour Alchemist Brad Triem
- The Four Hour Alchemist Batir
- TECH: non-integral integral types Nathan F.Yospe
- Necessary Stability (was: Logical MUD Areas) Scion Altera
- Necessary Stability (was: Logical MUD Areas) Vincent Archer
- MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #335 - 25 msgs Jessica Mulligan
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Auli
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Sie Ming
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Batir
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Madrona Tree
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Sie Ming
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Madrona Tree
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Nathan F.Yospe
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Adam Martin
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game J C Lawrence
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Nathan F.Yospe
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Nathan F.Yospe
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Adam Martin
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Brian Hook
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game rayzam
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Batir
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Freeman, Jeff
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Luke Carruthers
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Freeman, Jeff
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game shren
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Marian Griffith
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Madrona Tree
- Worlds targets EQ in its patent battle Jessica Mulligan
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Greg Munt
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) John Buehler
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) John Buehler
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Tchrin .
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- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Corey Crawford
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Travis Nixon
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Matt Mihaly
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Matt Mihaly
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) SeronisROTv3@aol.com
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Koster, Raph
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Richard A. Bartle
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Jesse van Herk
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Matt Mihaly
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Vincent Archer
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Nathan F.Yospe
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) SeronisROTv3@aol.com
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) J C Lawrence
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Lars Duening
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Jeremy Noetzelman
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) rayzam
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Matt Mihaly
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Jeremy Noetzelman
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Ben Sizer
- Innovation restrictions (was: Information sharing) Koster, Raph
- OOC functionality (was: I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game designers]) Greg Munt
- Morality in Game Design (was: Logical MUD Areas) Scion Altera
- Morality in Game Design (was: Logical MUD Areas) John Buehler
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game Freeman, Jeff
- Innovation restrictions Corey Crawford
- Innovation restrictions John Buehler
- Innovation restrictions Richard A. Bartle
- Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Where are we now?)) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Immersiveness - good or bad? Adam Martin
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- Immersiveness - good or bad? Kwon Ekstrom
- Community Goals (was: I Want to Forge Swords.) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- Community Goals (was: I Want to Forge Swords.) Eli Stevens
- The effects of object oriented servers on the item database Chambers
- The effects of object oriented servers on the item database Bryce Harrington
- The effects of object oriented servers on the itemdatabase brianleeprice@hotmail.com
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game des Auli
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Sie Ming
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Hulbert, Leland
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Marian Griffith
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Phillip Lenhardt
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Derek Licciardi
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Koster, Raph
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Adam Martin
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Vincent Archer
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Andrew Barratt
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Sw ords) Koster, Raph
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Matt Chatterley
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Alex Kay
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Brian Hook
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Vincent Archer
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Alex Kay
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) rayzam
- Locations vs Social Spaces (was: I Want to Forge Swords) Bruce
- [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Bruce
- [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Chris Gray
- [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Adam Martin
- [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems brian price
- [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems Bruce
- [TECH] monitoring RMI-type systems brianleeprice@hotmail.com
- MUDs, cellphones and mobile players... Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- MUDs, cellphones and mobile players... Christopher Allen
- The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Derek Licciardi
- The effects of object oriented servers on the item database (Long) Chambers
- Black & White on Radio Timothy Dang
- [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Mathue Moyer
- [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Derek Licciardi
- [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Madman Across the Water
- [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Derek Snider
- [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Lars Duening
- [OT] Re-releasing old games w/ new graphics Adam Martin
- The ethics of violence thread J C Lawrence
- UO Volunteer Programs Closed AR Schleicher
- Spaces or rooms? (Information sharing (was: Re:Where are we now?)) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Greg Munt
- User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Freeman, Jeff
- User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Phillip Lenhardt
- User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Bryce Harrington
- User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Bryce Harrington
- User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Kwon Ekstrom
- User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Adam Martin
- User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Marc Hernandez
- User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Chambers
- User interface design [was: Where are we now?] Adam Martin
- It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Greg Munt
- It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] F. Randall Farmer
- It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Matt Mihaly
- It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] Greg Munt
- It's just a game (?) [was: Information sharing] F. Randall Farmer
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game McManus, Susan
- I Want to Forge Swords. [Another letter to game J C Lawrence
- [DGN] Moral responsibilities (was Logical MUD Areas) Mathue Moyer
- [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence brian price
- [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
-----Original Message-----
From: brian price [mailto:brianleeprice@hotmail.com]
Sent: 11 May 2001 00:27
To: mud-dev@kanga.nu
Subject: [MUD-Dev] [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence
> For purposes of fault tolerance, we need a datastore that can
> periodically be backed up in a fast and efficient manner, preferably
> without stalling the server. Note that transaction capability (in
> db terms) is *not* a requirement, the capability of generating
> checkpoints by writing out the 'dirtied' (changed) portions of the
> database periodically will satisfy the datastore backup requirement.
> Checkpoints can be restored simply by starting with the last full
> backup and applying (in order) the saved changes since that backup
> occurred (can be done offline).
I disagree with you on a lot of points here, but I'd start here. I
think transactions are important in a MUD. Its the best way to prevent
duplicates through synchronisation problems (which is how most of the
EQ ones I heard about worked). If someone giving an item to someone
else can be made with a call to a single transactional
'switchObjOwnership()' type method, then you aren't going to get
either dupes or item loss when passing items.
> Thus our datastore requirements are:
> 1) frequent writes of dirty objects
> 2) infrequent reads of collections of objects
> 3) large number of classes
> 4) deep inheritance trees
> 5) fast and efficient backups thru use of checkpoints or equivalent
> An OTS or OS RDBMS is not overkill given these requirements, in
> fact, the entire class of available RDBMS solutions are
> underpowered, inefficient, slow, and expensive. An oft touted
> feature of most RDBMS - SQL - is, in this case, completely
> unnecessary *and* imposes a significant performance hit for zero
> gain. Worse, the use of efficient objects and resultant class bloat
> is practically impossible to represent in RDB terms without
> investing an insane amount of development time.
You previously said that infrequent reads were required. Thus I don't
see how the performance of an RDBMS is going to impact your proposed
solution. Writes are generally fairly fast, its the queries that are
slow. By not going for an RDBMS you have made any type of reporting
functionality many times more difficult to implement. If you have a
large game, then I would imagine functionality to measure how many
warriors have weapons of greater than 'x' affectiveness is something
you might want to find out infrequently enough to make writing a
bespoke tool a pain, but frequently enough that having sql is a
feature. The same for economy reports and such like. With a bespoke
object store, any type of data-mining is just hideous. Anyway, a well
tuned and designed database can be remarkably fast.
> IMO, the best solution is a persistent object store. Not a full
> fledged OODB (whatever that is), but a collection based storage and
> retrieval system for serializable objects. In C++, such a system is
> fairly easy to develop: combine a RTTI based object persistence
> layer with the idea of 'data objects' using proxy/accessor pattern
> (to hide object memory presence and control object memory lifetime)
> with an object cache and a simple db store consisting of one index
> (object ids) and one table with records of the form: <object id>,
> <class id>, <serialized object data>.
RTTI is plain slow and seldom justified. If you work with an
interface/implementation design pattern, then its better to have a
persistence interface imho. Personally I'd have a couple of methods
that could stream and unstream an object (for transport between
servers - after all we are talking distributed large scale muds here
right?), and a persist method to get it to write itself to the
db. None of these are a great deal of work. If you were to go towards
Java or C#, you could make this even more trivial with the object
reflection.
> I've heard all the arguments against OODBMS over the years and all
> the arguments for RDBMS, and in this case at least, *none* of them
> hold any water.
I disagree. I think an RDBMS with a bespoke in-memory cache would be
the optimal solution.
What about failover? A proper RDBMS will faciliate this. I get ill
thinking about having to write one of these for some kind of bespoke
flat file object store.
Its interesting, because I have worked on two version of a large(ish)
scale distributed fat-client system, one where we used sysbase, and
another where we did use a bespoke flat file system with in memory
cache for 'performance' reasons. The flat file system whilst initally
fast, was in fact more trouble than it was worth for the following
reasons:
A) No failover.
B) Half arsed transactions (i.e. they weren't always
transactions...).
C) Being non-relational, integrity was constantly being broken by
people editing.
D) Writing simple reports meant pulling out the compiler.
E) It didn't scale well. Whilst fast for a few users, it wasn't
scaleable. With a RDBMS, whilst you take an initial performance
hit, it scales breadthwise.
F) Start up of the application was SLOW, as all the caches were loaded to
the fat client.
G) Couldn't have multiple instances of the DB that were
synchronised, they tried to implement it, but it didn't work.
H) It wasn't as reliable as a proper db - it was a complex piece of
code.
I) You had to learn a whole new api to use it.
J) Locking issues. If you have concurrent processes, this is another
problem.
Now whilst you could write your system to avoid some (but I doubt all)
of this, I would need a lot of convincing that it would be wise.
Dan - [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Derek Licciardi
- [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Bryce Harrington
- [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Gavin Doughtie
- [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Derek Licciardi
- [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Greg Munt
- [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Kwon Ekstrom
- [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Derek Licciardi
- [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Bruce
- [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Kwon Ekstrom
- [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Jared Nielsen
- [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence brian price
- [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence brian price
- [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence brian price
- [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Alex Kay
- [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Derek Licciardi
- [Tech] MUDs, MORPGs, and Object Persistence Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
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- [TECH] 2 papers on python in muds Bruce
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- JOB: How to get into Game Design / Game content Taylor
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- Imaginary Realities - May 2001 David Bennett
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