November 1999

• Admin: Kanga.Nu has moved again J C Lawrence
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          • • players who "take away from the game" J C Lawrence
              On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:32:11 -0800 (PST)
              Matthew Mihaly <diablo@best.com> wrote:
              
              > On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, J C Lawrence wrote:
              >> On Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:26:11 -0800 (PST) Matthew Mihaly
              >> <diablo@best.com> wrote:
              
              >> I'm going to ignore the RP aspects of this debate as it is not a
              >> value system I know well.
              
              A better phrasing would be, "...as it one subject to endless
              ubjective interpretation.
              
              >> I advocate a different style of game operation:
              >>
              >> The admins responsible for ensuring the logical consistency and
              >> mechanical functioning of the game world. Period. Players are
              >> responsible for all social structures, conflict resolution and
              >> behaviour. Admins and Imps have no business or reason to operate
              >> in that space.
              
              > Well, this discussion is a bit pointless if you ignore the rp
              > aspects of things. Our admins/imps are all (aside from one who
              > never is visible to mortals) in-role Gods also, so they definitely
              > do have business and reason to operate in social space. They are
              > players too.
              
              Note that I did not proscribe admins being players, having player
              characters, or being active in the game. I have no problem with any
              of these things (within the caveats Raph has discussed here
              previously). In the case of your gods I seem them merely as
              players, with the same activities and mechanics as other players
              with the only real difference being that they have instituted a
              particular social heirarchy about themselves..
              
              >> Okay, let's clarify here:
              >>
              >> I can log on, get together with a couple mates, define ourselves
              >> as the sole members of a new society which we define, go out in
              >> the boonies and declare some area our new empire, write a set of
              >> laws of our devising and capriciousness in respect to our society
              >> and which will only be applied to interactions with members of
              >> our society, define a justice process as ludicrous and
              >> impractical as we may care for that society, and then enact them
              >> -- all without ever requiring the presence or cooperation of an
              >> admin in any regard?
              
              > Yep, go ahead. You better be sure you can enforce the laws that
              > you make though, as the game isn't going to help you with it any
              > more than it will help the "lawbreakers".
              
              Ahh, I missed that bit didn't I? I expect, in the above, the game
              to take over the operation of the legal system and justice process
              in so far as the responsible players can define it sufficiently for
              the game systems to take over.
              
              Also note: I expect such systems to ONLY be applied to the members
              of the society which define them. If you are not a member of that
              society, then those systems do not apply to you. If you are a
              member of a different society, then it becomes a matter of foreign
              plicy for the two societies concerned.
              
              > In this respect, it's exactly like real life. You want to set up
              > laws and enforce them? Better make sure you're strong enough to
              > do so.
              
              Quite.
              
              >> Which is why you retain the ability for the members of a society
              >> to report violations of that societies rules. This has the added
              >> and not insignificant benefit of allowing false accusations,
              >> threats of accusation, framing of the accused, etc.
              
              > Sure. I have no problem with that. My problem with your justice
              > system was that it's too codified and forces a trial even if the
              > community whose laws were broken isn't strong enough to punish the
              > offender on its own.
              
              This is the goof on my part of not mentioning that the systems
              instituted only apply to the members of that society. Membership of
              a society automatically carries the implication of being subject to
              the systems of that society.
              
              Bubba, a member of the Witless, storms and robs one of the Doofus'
              castles. Per the Doofus' legal system he is now a criminal and this
              fact (if reported/detected appropriately) is passed on to the
              members of the Doofus society. They take action, or inaction, as
              they see fit. The system at that point is only a recording and
              tracking tool, not an enforcement tool.
              
              Boffo, a member of the Doofus, assists Bubba in his robbery. This
              is detected and reported, and Doofus is now directly subject to the
              automatic application of the societies justice systems (eg the
              teleport etc).
              
              Note: The specific justice system I outline is merely the one I
              would instantiate were I to bother crafting a game society. I would
              fully expect (and even foment towards and implement for them) other
              societies to have wildly different justice systems of their own.
              
              Community size
              Ideal community size is no larger than 250. Past that, you really
              get subcommunities.
              
              
              --
              J C Lawrence Internet: claw@kanga.nu
              ----------(*) Internet: coder@kanga.nu
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• • Re[4]: (no subject) Koster, Raph
• Re[5]: (no subject) Travis Casey
• FAQ for gm-types? Dundee
• • FAQ for gm-types? Charles Hughes
  • • FAQ for gm-types? Mik Clarke
  • FAQ for gm-types? Christopher Allen
  • FAQ for gm-types? J C Lawrence
• Re[6]: (no subject) Travis Casey
• FW: Re[6]: (no subject) Koster, Raph
• Re[5]: (no subject) Koster, Raph
• • Re[5]: (no subject) Travis S. Casey
• Interesting links Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
• CODE RELEASE: (client) SMM++ J C Lawrence
• authority and human nature Matthew Mihaly
• • authority and human nature Koster, Raph
• Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) J C Lawrence
• • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Mik Clarke
  • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) J C Lawrence
    • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Sellers, Michael
      • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Matthew Mihaly
        • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Sellers, Michael
          • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Matthew Mihaly
            • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Sellers, Michael
          • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Mik Clarke
          • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Matthew Mihaly
        • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Dan Shiovitz
        • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Joe Andrieu
        • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) J C Lawrence
        • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Adam Wiggins
          • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Marian Griffith
            • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Travis S. Casey
              • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Eli Stevens {Grey}
              • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Douglas Couch
                • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Dundee
                  • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Chris Turner
                • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) David Bennett
          • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Scatter
          • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) J C Lawrence
            • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Scatter
              • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) J C Lawrence
                • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Scatter
            • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Quzah
            • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Scatter
              • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Quzah
                • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Scatter
                • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) J C Lawrence
              • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Adam Wiggins
              • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Quzah
      • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Matthew Mihaly
      • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Richard Ross
      • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Mik Clarke
      • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Matthew Mihaly
        • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Dundee
          • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Matthew Mihaly
            • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Raph & Kristen Koster
              • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Dundee
          • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Mik Clarke
          • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Holly Sommer
  • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Marian Griffith
  • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Lucas Moten {Krozy}
  • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Matthew Mihaly
    • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Mik Clarke
      • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Matthew Mihaly
        • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) Greg Miller
        • • Fair/Unfair? Scenarios (fwd) J C Lawrence
• volunteerism on muds (fwd) J C Lawrence
• (fwd) Artificial Language for MUD programmers claw@kanga.nu
• The grass is always greener in the other field claw@kanga.nu
• • The grass is always greener in the other field Jon A. Lambert
  • • The grass is always greener in the other field Matthew Mihaly
  • The grass is always greener in the other field J C Lawrence
  • • The grass is always greener in the other field Dundee
    • • The grass is always greener in the other field J C Lawrence
      • • The grass is always greener in the other field Greg Miller
        • • The grass is always greener in the other field Ilya, Game Commandos
          • The grass is always greener in the other field Adam Wiggins
          • • The grass is always greener in the other field Sellers, Michael
            • • The grass is always greener in the other field Adam Wiggins
              • The grass is always greener in the other field J C Lawrence
              • • The grass is always greener in the other field Sellers, Michael
                • • The grass is always greener in the other field J C Lawrence
                • The grass is always greener in the other field Travis Casey
                • • The grass is always greener in the other field Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • The grass is always greener in the other field Koster, Raph
    • • The grass is always greener in the other field Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
      • • The grass is always greener in the other field Cynbe ru Taren
        • • The grass is always greener in the other field Koster, Raph
        • The grass is always greener in the other field cg@ami-cg.GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA
        • The grass is always greener in the other field Koster, Raph
        • The grass is always greener in the other field Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • • The grass is always greener in the other field Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
      • The grass is always greener in the other field Charles Hughes
      • • The grass is always greener in the other field Matthew Mihaly
        • • The grass is always greener in the other field Cynbe ru Taren
          • • The grass is always greener in the other field Matthew Mihaly
            • • The grass is always greener in the other field Ilya, Game Commandos
              • The grass is always greener in the other field cg@ami-cg.GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA
              • The grass is always greener in the other field Scatter
          • The grass is always greener in the other field J C Lawrence
          • • The grass is always greener in the other field Matthew Mihaly
            • • The grass is always greener in the other field J C Lawrence
              • • The grass is always greener in the other field Matthew Mihaly
                • • The grass is always greener in the other field Quzah
                  • • The grass is always greener in the other field Matthew Mihaly
                    • • The grass is always greener in the other field Quzah
                • The grass is always greener in the other field Raph & Kristen Koster
        • The grass is always greener in the other field Timothy Dang
  • The grass is always greener in the other field maddog@best.com
  • The grass is always greener in the other field J C Lawrence
  • The grass is always greener in the other field Petri Virkkula
  • • The grass is always greener in the other field Matthew Mihaly
  • The grass is always greener in the other field Ian Macintosh
  • • The grass is always greener in the other field Koster, Raph
    • • The grass is always greener in the other field Adam Wiggins
    • The grass is always greener in the other field J C Lawrence
    • • The grass is always greener in the other field Travis Casey
      • • The grass is always greener in the other field Adam Wiggins
        • • The grass is always greener in the other field J C Lawrence
        • The grass is always greener in the other field J C Lawrence
    • The grass is always greener in the other field Raph & Kristen Koster
  • The grass is always greener in the other field Joe Andrieu
• Re[4]: (no subject) Travis Casey
• • Re[4]: (no subject) claw@kanga.nu
• Re[6]: (no subject) Travis Casey