November 1997

• DESIGN: ECONOMICS: Money Supply coder@ibm.net
• Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
• • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Marian Griffith
    • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Adam Wiggins
      • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
        • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Marian Griffith
          • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Derrick Jones
            • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Marian Griffith
              • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Derrick Jones
                • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Richard Woolcock
                  • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Adam Wiggins
                    • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Richard Woolcock
                      • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Adam Wiggins
                        • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Derrick Jones
                        • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Jon Leonard
                        • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Adam Wiggins
                          • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
                            • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Matt Chatterley
                        • Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
                        • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Matt Chatterley
                          • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
                            • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Matt Chatterley
                              • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
                          • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Vadim Tkachenko
                          • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Derrick Jones
                      • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Matt Chatterley
                    • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Derrick Jones
                    • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Adam Wiggins
                      • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Jon A. Lambert
                        • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Chris Gray
                          • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Matt Chatterley
                        • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Richard Woolcock
                      • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Richard Woolcock
                      • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Derrick Jones
                        • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Jon A. Lambert
                    • Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
                  • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Adam Wiggins
                  • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Marian Griffith
                  • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Richard Woolcock
                    • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
        • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Marian Griffith
• SUMMARY: Skills and Skills improvement coder@ibm.net
• newbie Marc Eyrignoux
• • newbie coder@ibm.net
  • newbie Miroslav Silovic
  • newbie Sauron
  • • newbie Derrick Jones
    • • newbie Chris Gray
    • newbie coder@ibm.net
    • • newbie Matt Chatterley
• Fear of magic (was:Usability and interface)y Adam Wiggins
• Sorry... Bjarni Norddahl
• OT: threading list messages Alex Oren
• • OT: threading list messages coder@ibm.net
  • • OT: threading list messages Alex Oren
    • OT: threading list messages s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
  • OT: threading list messages Chris Gray
• AI Path Finding Todd Lair
• A flamewar startingpoint. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • A flamewar startingpoint. Adam Wiggins
  • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
  • • A flamewar startingpoint. Chris Gray
    • • A flamewar startingpoint. Brandon Cline
      • • A flamewar startingpoint. Chris Gray
        • • A flamewar startingpoint. Brandon Cline
          • • A flamewar startingpoint. Derrick Jones
            • • A flamewar startingpoint. Brandon J. Rickman
            • A flamewar startingpoint. s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
            • • A flamewar startingpoint. Adam Wiggins
              • • A flamewar startingpoint. Derrick Jones
                • • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
                • A flamewar startingpoint. Miroslav Silovic
                • • A flamewar startingpoint. Derrick Jones
                  • • A flamewar startingpoint. Chris Gray
                    • • A flamewar startingpoint. Derrick Jones
                    • A flamewar startingpoint. Miroslav Silovic
          • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
          • • A flamewar startingpoint. Marian Griffith
            • • A flamewar startingpoint. Matt Chatterley
              • • A flamewar startingpoint. Jon A. Lambert
                • • A flamewar startingpoint. Chris Gray
                  • A flamewar startingpoint. Matt Chatterley
                  • A flamewar startingpoint. JC Lawrence
                  • • A flamewar startingpoint. Marian Griffith
                    • • A flamewar startingpoint. Jon A. Lambert
                      • A flamewar startingpoint. JC Lawrence
                      • • A flamewar startingpoint. Marian Griffith
                        • • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
        • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
      • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
    • A flamewar startingpoint. Adam Wiggins
    • • A flamewar startingpoint. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • • A flamewar startingpoint. Adam Wiggins
        • • A flamewar startingpoint. Derrick Jones
          • • A flamewar startingpoint. Adam Wiggins
            • • A flamewar startingpoint. Sauron
              • A flamewar startingpoint. Derrick Jones
              • • A flamewar startingpoint. Adam Wiggins
            • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
          • A flamewar startingpoint. Matt Chatterley
          • A flamewar startingpoint. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
          • • A flamewar startingpoint. Adam Wiggins
          • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
        • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
    • A flamewar startingpoint. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
      • • A flamewar startingpoint. Nathan Yospe
  • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
  • A flamewar startingpoint.) Chris Gray
  • A flamewar startingpoint.) Miroslav Silovic
  • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Jon A. Lambert
    • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Marian Griffith
      • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Adam Wiggins
        • A flamewar startingpoint.) Derrick Jones
        • A flamewar startingpoint.) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • A flamewar startingpoint.) coder@ibm.net
      • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Chris Gray
        • • A flamewar startingpoint.) coder@ibm.net
        • A flamewar startingpoint.) Adam Wiggins
        • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Stephen Zepp
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            Adam Wiggins wrote:
            [snip questions about scripts]
            
            > > clocked system. I don't have much of a design yet, but I'm almost tempte
            > > to something of a tick based system where players define generic
            > > intentions (I want to try and do XXX action) which the system then
            > > periodically evaluates for opportunity and then executes when possible.> > Actions would then be defined as either ongoing on one-off's within this
            > > structure. (This is somewhat inspired by reports on Wiggin's system).
            >
            > *bow* Actually, the flow of combat was mostly Orion's thing. We came
            > up with the prioritized task system together when we realized that
            > a simple what_i_am_doing value was not enough anymore.
            > Secondly, I do like a sense of pacing to bring some urgency into the
            > fray, but I'm not interested in making it so that the strength of
            > your link directly determines how well you will do. The 'intentions'
            > thing, as you call it, came from two desires - one, to make it so that
            > a little lag doesn't cause your character to turn into a drooling idiot
            > (the original 'intentions' stuff we put in was a direct descendant of
            > the 'wimpy' concept), and two, make it so that the sense of urgency
            > comes from actually *playing* the game, instead of struggling to get
            > your commands into the system fast enough. This is the main thing I
            > don't like about recent realtime strategy games for the PC (Warcraft, C&C..)
            > - you spend all your time trying to direct your troops to where you actually
            > want them, rather than thinking about where they should be going.
            > This isn't quick thinking (I have no trouble thinking at the speed
            > the game runs), but rather quick mouse-work (which I am terrible at).
            >
            > All in all, I think pretty much all systems can benefit quite a bit from
            > having some basic intentions stuff in there. We just liked how it worked
            > out so well that we extended it to the point of being the major control
            > mechanism of the game.
            >
            > > What I don't like about this is that it does not allow any decent level of
            > > complexity or careful fore-planning,
            >
            > As to the former, I'm not so sure I agree. The idea is to get the basics
            > 'out of the way' before the battle in order to free your mind for the
            > important stuff in the heat of the moment. I think of it like a general
            > training his troops in basic tactics, in order that he can focus on the
            > battle as a whole and assume that the lower-downs can handle maneuvering,
            > firing rates, troop morale, etc. Of course, the general always has
            > the chance to interdict with new orders if the need should arise, but
            > micro-management is not necessary.
            >
            > > and seems too close to the DIKU-style type-kill-and-wait-and-see-who-wins.
            >
            > This is one of the things we were looking to avoid. In particular a mudder
            > I knew back when we were getting started used to play a certain LP where
            > he would bring a book to the lab, chop off all the limbs of a certain
            > NPC, then leave his character fighting and kick back to read for twenty
            > to thirty minutes. I find it ridiculous that one would do something
            > for entertainment that doesn't actually entertain 100% of the time.
            > We designed combat to be quick, brutal, and deadly, *especially* to
            > those who aren't paying attention. This also means that, no matter
            > how strong your character, not knowing what you're doing will get you
            > killed just as quickly as any newbie. This seems to contridict some of
            > my statements above, but battle is so unpredictable that the 'special
            > cases' requiring overrides actually happen all the time. Assuming
            > we've done our job correctly, no amount of automation (client triggers
            > or even in-game scripting) could properly handle most combat situations.
            > More importantly, the situations themselves are so varied as to actually
            > stay interesting to the player, which was our #1 goal when we first
            > started crafting the combat system.
            
            
            Hmm..one question for ya: if your system is that complex, how can npcs
            used it? This is a topic that's plagueing me..
            
            
            >
            > > I also don't like moving to a
            > > clocked system as it fairly well forces me to move the entire game to a
            > > clocked system, which I'm resistant to. I'm still much won over with
            > > letting everything execute as quickly as it can.
            
            
            I'm moving towards a "queued event" system, sort of like "I'm starting
            to swing my sword, I'm swinging my sword, he's moving his mace to block,
            he's committed to block, OKAY..now, feint under his block, and slice his
            guts open! That's probably an overdone description, but with "segments"
            like D&D used to have, tho wasn't much used in most version of rp-style
            ( the miniatures version of D&D used them :) ), you have this idea of
            "some actions are just quicker than others"...thrusting a dagger is a
            lot faster than an overhead blow from a heavy two handed mace..
            
            
            >
            > Nods - your argument of 'why should I have to wait on the computer'?
            > I like pacing for what we're doing (fairly realistic combat), but I
            > thought the stuff that you proposed would work great without any
            > sort of timer. If it's all based on resource stuff (which is easy to
            > do as soon as you get away from realistic swordplay), there's no reason
            > anything needs to be timer based. Of course...once again this could
            > end up meaning that fast links and fast fingers always win over quick
            > wits and good planning. Hmm.
            
            Yeah, what he said :)
            
            Zoran
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          • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Adam Wiggins
            • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Stephen Zepp
              • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Adam Wiggins
          • A flamewar startingpoint.) coder@ibm.net
        • A flamewar startingpoint.) Jon A. Lambert
  • A flamewar startingpoint.) Chris Gray
  • A flamewar startingpoint.) Adam Wiggins
  • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
  • A flamewar startingpoint.) coder@ibm.net
• Noise-to-signal ratio Sauron
• Gender specific Marian Griffith
• • Gender specific Adam Wiggins
  • • Gender specific Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • Gender specific Marian Griffith
    • • Gender specific Sauron
      • • Gender specific Marian Griffith
        • • Gender specific Derrick Jones
        • Gender specific Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • Gender specific Mike Sellers
    • • Gender specific Adam Wiggins
      • • Gender specific Mike Sellers
      • Gender specific Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • • Gender specific Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• Gender specific Cynbe ru Taren
• Eating and sleeping (was: A flamewar startingpoint.) Derrick Jones
• A flamewar startingpoint.y Adam Wiggins
• SUMMARY: Mud Grammar Jon A. Lambert
• You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • You, the game of philosophy. Adam Wiggins
  • • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • You, the game of philosophy. coder@ibm.net
      • • You, the game of philosophy. Jon A. Lambert
        • • You, the game of philosophy. JC Lawrence
  • You, the game of philosophy. Derrick Jones
  • • You, the game of philosophy. Richard Woolcock
    • • You, the game of philosophy. Adam Wiggins
      • • You, the game of philosophy. Richard Woolcock
        • • You, the game of philosophy. Adam Wiggins
          • • You, the game of philosophy. Richard Woolcock
        • You, the game of philosophy. coder@ibm.net
        • • You, the game of philosophy. Caliban Tiresias Darklock
          • • You, the game of philosophy. Adam Wiggins
            • • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
            • You, the game of philosophy. coder@ibm.net
            • • You, the game of philosophy. Derrick Jones
              • • You, the game of philosophy. coder@ibm.net
            • You, the game of philosophy. Jon A. Lambert
            • • You, the game of philosophy. Marian Griffith
              • • You, the game of philosophy. Jon A. Lambert
              • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
              • • You, the game of philosophy. Jon A. Lambert
                • • You, the game of philosophy. Matt Chatterley
                  • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                  • • You, the game of philosophy. Jon A. Lambert
                    • • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                      • • You, the game of philosophy. JC Lawrence
                        • • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                          • • You, the game of philosophy. JC Lawrence
                            • • You, the game of philosophy. Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      • You, the game of philosophy. Derrick Jones
      • You, the game of philosophy. coder@ibm.net
      • • You, the game of philosophy. Vadim Tkachenko
        • • You, the game of philosophy. coder@ibm.net
    • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • You, the game of philosophy. Derrick Jones
      • • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • You, the game of philosophy. coder@ibm.net
  • • You, the game of philosophy. Chris Gray
    • • You, the game of philosophy. Stephen Zepp
  • You, the game of philosophy. Jon A. Lambert
• Dynamic room descriptions Richard Woolcock
• Naming and descriptions (was Introductions and descriptions) Mike Sellers
• Introductions and descriptions Matt Chatterley
• • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
  • • Introductions and descriptions Matt Chatterley
    • • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
      • • Introductions and descriptions Adam Wiggins
        • • Introductions and descriptions coder@ibm.net
        • Introductions and descriptions Marian Griffith
        • • Introductions and descriptions Sauron
          • • Introductions and descriptions Marian Griffith
            • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
          • Introductions and descriptions Chris Gray
          • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
        • Introductions and descriptions Matt Chatterley
        • • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
      • Introductions and descriptions Maddy
      • • Introductions and descriptions Matt Chatterley
      • Introductions and descriptions coder@ibm.net
      • • Introductions and descriptions Matt Chatterley
        • • Introductions and descriptions coder@ibm.net
          • • Introductions and descriptions Derrick Jones
    • Introductions and descriptions Derrick Jones
    • • Introductions and descriptions Adam Wiggins
      • • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
        • • Introductions and descriptions Maddy
          • • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
            • • Introductions and descriptions Maddy
              • • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
                • • Introductions and descriptions Adam Wiggins
                  • • Introductions and descriptions Derrick Jones
                    • • Introductions and descriptions Jon A. Lambert
                      • Introductions and descriptions Adam Wiggins
                      • • Introductions and descriptions Brandon J. Rickman
                        • • Introductions and descriptions Adam Wiggins
                          • • Introductions and descriptions Derrick Jones
                            • • Introductions and descriptions Vadim Tkachenko
                              • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
                            • Introductions and descriptions coder@ibm.net
                      • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
                      • Introductions and descriptions Maddy
                  • Introductions and descriptions coder@ibm.net
          • Introductions and descriptions coder@ibm.net
        • Introductions and descriptions coder@ibm.net
        • • Introductions and descriptions Adam Wiggins
• Introductions and Matt Chatterley
• • Introductions and Adam Wiggins
  • • Introductions and Derrick Jones
    • Introductions and Marian Griffith
    • • Introductions and Matt Chatterley
  • Introductions and Richard Woolcock
  • • Introductions and Marian Griffith
    • • Introductions and Sauron
      • • Introductions and Marian Griffith
        • • Introductions and Adam Wiggins
          • • Introductions and Marian Griffith
            • Introductions and Mike Sellers
            • • Introductions and Brandon J. Rickman
              • • Introductions and Mike Sellers
                • Introductions and Caliban Tiresias Darklock
            • Introductions and Richard Woolcock
          • Introductions and Richard Woolcock
      • Introductions and Adam Wiggins
      • Introductions and Matt Chatterley
      • • Introductions and Mike Sellers
        • • Introductions and Richard Woolcock
        • Introductions and Jon A. Lambert
      • Introductions and Richard Woolcock
      • • Introductions and Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • • Introductions and Richard Woolcock
          • • Introductions and Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• Introductions and Maddy
• • Introductions and Richard Woolcock
  • Introductions and coder@ibm.net
  • • Introductions and Ling
    • • Introductions and coder@ibm.net
• Introductions and Richard Woolcock
• mud time (A flamewar startingpoint.) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• Nostalgy (A flamewar startingpoint.) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• Communication [was Introductions and..] Matt Chatterley
• • Communication [was Introductions and..] Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • • Communication [was Introductions and..] Adam Wiggins
    • • Communication [was Introductions and..] Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      • • Communication [was Introductions and..] Derrick Jones
  • Communication [was Introductions and..] Marian Griffith
  • Communication [was Introductions and..] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• requests Marian Griffith
• • requests Marian Griffith
  • • requests Frank Crowell
  • requests Chris Gray
  • requests Brandon J. Rickman
• more requests Marian Griffith
• Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
• • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Koster, Raph
      • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
        • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
          • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Koster, Raph
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Adam Wiggins
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
              • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Koster, Raph
                  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
            • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Marian Griffith
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Richard Woolcock
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
                  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] JC Lawrence
            • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Marian Griffith
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
          • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Felix A. Croes
          • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Felix A. Croes
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Maddy
                  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
      • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
        • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Marian Griffith
        • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
          • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Marian Griffith
            • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Stephen Zepp
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Richard Woolcock
    • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Koster, Raph
      • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
  • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ling
  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Derrick Jones
    • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Richard Woolcock
      • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
        • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ling
          • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Richard Woolcock
        • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
    • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
    • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Koster, Raph
    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Marian Griffith
      • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Vadim Tkachenko
        • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
          • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Derrick Jones
          • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Richard Woolcock
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Derrick Jones
                  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Chris Gray
                      • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Marian Griffith
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Marian Griffith
                    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                  • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Adam Wiggins
            • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Derrick Jones
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                  • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
          • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
        • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ling
        • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
        • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Stephen Zepp
          • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Derrick Jones
          • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
        • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
          • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Stephen Zepp
  • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] JC Lawrence
  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] JC Lawrence
      • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
        • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
  • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] JC Lawrence
• Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
• • Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World] s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
  • • Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
    • • Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World] s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
      • • Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
      • Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
• fwd: Erasmatron Revs up Interactive Fiction Brandon J. Rickman
• Q: What are the coolest thief skills people have seen? coder@ibm.net
• Lots of things about me (long) Ling
• OT: my web pages Marian Griffith
• Java, applets, forests and ecologies. Ling
• • Java, applets, forests and ecologies. Derrick Jones
  • • Java, applets, forests and ecologies. Michael Hohensee
    • • Java, applets, forests and ecologies. Chris Gray
    • Java, applets, forests and ecologies. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
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