November 1997

• DESIGN: ECONOMICS: Money Supply coder@ibm.net
• Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
• • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Marian Griffith
    • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Adam Wiggins
      • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
        • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Marian Griffith
          • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Derrick Jones
            • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Marian Griffith
              • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Derrick Jones
                • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Richard Woolcock
                  • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Adam Wiggins
                    • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Richard Woolcock
                      • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Adam Wiggins
                        • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Derrick Jones
                        • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Jon Leonard
                        • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Adam Wiggins
                          • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
                            • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Matt Chatterley
                        • Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
                        • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Matt Chatterley
                          • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
                            • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Matt Chatterley
                              • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
                          • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Vadim Tkachenko
                          • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Derrick Jones
                      • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Matt Chatterley
                    • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Derrick Jones
                    • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Adam Wiggins
                      • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Jon A. Lambert
                        • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Chris Gray
                          • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Matt Chatterley
                        • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Richard Woolcock
                      • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Richard Woolcock
                      • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Derrick Jones
                        • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Jon A. Lambert
                    • Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
                  • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Adam Wiggins
                  • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Marian Griffith
                  • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Richard Woolcock
                    • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
        • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Marian Griffith
• SUMMARY: Skills and Skills improvement coder@ibm.net
• newbie Marc Eyrignoux
• • newbie coder@ibm.net
  • newbie Miroslav Silovic
  • newbie Sauron
  • • newbie Derrick Jones
    • • newbie Chris Gray
    • newbie coder@ibm.net
    • • newbie Matt Chatterley
• Fear of magic (was:Usability and interface)y Adam Wiggins
  [Derrick Jones:]
  > I'm personally in favor of incorporating non-lethal/non-weapon combat into
  > the regular IC game. This will become essential as all weapons will be
  > confiscated at the main gate to the town in question. That is all weapons
  > the guards manage to find. It seems odd to me that I have never seen this
  > done on muds, yet this was common practice in midievial times...(I'm sure
  > its been done _somewhere_ but I haven't seen it. Anybody know where?)
  
  Well, options to stop when your opponent becomes unconscious (usually 0
  hitpoints) are very common, but this is rather silly as, at high level,
  characters do so much damage that they can't help but to kill someone
  without them entering an unconscious-but-still-alive state, except by
  pure chance. I think mainly this stems from the reliance on hitpoints -
  there's no such thing as a blow to the head which knocks someone unconscious
  without doing much permenant damage. Even in a limb-based system,
  frequently the only way to stop someone without actually killing them
  involves chopping off all their arms and legs so that all they can do is
  lie there. Rather silly, but I don't see any way around this with the
  simplistic D&D-style damage system that is normally used.
  
  > > > Why? If the police employs mages they have the same option. Or they can
  > > > prevent the gate from opening, or from closing behind the mage. There's
  > > > any number of things you can do to solve this I would think?
  > >
  > > but then you're being hypocritical and really endangering the suspension
  > > of disbelief. it becomes unreal (in the sense that realism is unto the
  > > game itself) because you've outlawed mages in a city, but here you are
  > > using other mages to keep them out.
  >
  > No mages are permitted in the city. Violence is not. The problem occurs
  > because it becomes very difficult to confiscate a wizards weapons. The
  
  That's assuming a lot about the magic system. Many muds require that
  mages have some sort of a channeling device (ie, a staff) and clerics
  have a symbol of their god in order to work magic. Some require that
  spellbooks be held in one hand while the character is casting. In this
  case, holding your spellbook is identical to wielding a weapon.
  
  > town populace knows that magic can either aid or harm. I don't see a
  
  Well, if you have a magic system which is based entirely around destructive
  magic, it would be ideal to confiscate the mage's spellbook at the
  entrance to the town. If not, things get more complex, as you say.
  
  > reason to have the town guard intervene if a spellcaster decides to clear
  > up the leporsy infecting the town beggar. If the same spellcaster decides
  
  Depends on the town's paranoia of magic. On a mud I worked on a few
  years back, we had it set up so that there was a spell-lore skill.
  Whenever someone cast the spell, each person in the room made perception
  and spell-lore checks to try to determine whether the spell is harmful or
  not, and then whether or not it is targeted at them. Characters which were
  poor at spell-lore (ie, barbarians) would tend to assume the worst. Thus
  a mage trying to cast a spell in a room full of barbarians tended to have
  about half of them scream and attack him, and the other half dive out of
  the room screaming 'Take cover!' This was, of course, particularly
  humorous when the spell was bless or armor or shield.
  
  Thus you can have a town which is paranoid of magic and any spellcasting
  tends to draw the authorities. Telling the judge that you were trying to
  do a good deed won't help you in the slightest. Other towns may be more
  knowledgable of magic, and therefore more leniant.
  
  > I believe the suggestion was to have the guards track down the outlaw
  > whenever the logged back on, not having players track them down...although
  > either senario destoys the SOD. The player would then presumably log back
  > on as another character, scope out the town, then quicky log back on as
  > the outlaw and use the other characters information to escape, repeating
  > the log-off,log-on cycle as many times as it takes to elude the pursuers.
  > I'd like to note the sarcasm in the original statement as well...thought
  > the '(cackle)' gave that much away.
  
  If you require players to log off at an inn, a temple, or some other
  special room, this simplifies this quite a bit. Just put a guard who
  screens players leaving and entering the game. Naturally this could
  offer the opportunity to create a hidden inn which doesn't have such screening.
  
  > > > Of course nothing would prevent the patrol guards to send for a mage or
  > > > two to disable your magical defenses. If the city allows such defenses
  > > > in town in the first place. Or the mage would place a magical dome over
  > > > your house that prevents you from leaving?
  > >
  > > again the problem of employing mages being hypocritical.
  
  As for this bit: are police officers hypocritical because they carry
  guns? Are guards hypocritical for carrying swords? Employing mages
  as guards is no differnet.
  
  > not really you missed the beginning of the thread. Mages aren't outlawed.
  > I just don't want to throw in a brute-force solution. That will be
  > transparent and the players will see the town guard for what it really
  > is...a group of super-high-level brutes that wouldn't be consisant with
  > the world dynamics. The obvious questions I'd have to answer would be: if
  > the guards are the most powerful creatures in the game world, then why are
  > they guards? How can an average town afford to hire a contigent of
  > super-powerful beings to protect them? Who guards the guards?
  
  Heh. Well, as I see it, this is a problem that stems from super-powerful
  players. Tone that down and the guard problem tones down as well.
• Sorry... Bjarni Norddahl
• OT: threading list messages Alex Oren
• • OT: threading list messages coder@ibm.net
  • • OT: threading list messages Alex Oren
    • OT: threading list messages s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
  • OT: threading list messages Chris Gray
• AI Path Finding Todd Lair
• A flamewar startingpoint. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • A flamewar startingpoint. Adam Wiggins
  • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
  • • A flamewar startingpoint. Chris Gray
    • • A flamewar startingpoint. Brandon Cline
      • • A flamewar startingpoint. Chris Gray
        • • A flamewar startingpoint. Brandon Cline
          • • A flamewar startingpoint. Derrick Jones
            • • A flamewar startingpoint. Brandon J. Rickman
            • A flamewar startingpoint. s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
            • • A flamewar startingpoint. Adam Wiggins
              • • A flamewar startingpoint. Derrick Jones
                • • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
                • A flamewar startingpoint. Miroslav Silovic
                • • A flamewar startingpoint. Derrick Jones
                  • • A flamewar startingpoint. Chris Gray
                    • • A flamewar startingpoint. Derrick Jones
                    • A flamewar startingpoint. Miroslav Silovic
          • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
          • • A flamewar startingpoint. Marian Griffith
            • • A flamewar startingpoint. Matt Chatterley
              • • A flamewar startingpoint. Jon A. Lambert
                • • A flamewar startingpoint. Chris Gray
                  • A flamewar startingpoint. Matt Chatterley
                  • A flamewar startingpoint. JC Lawrence
                  • • A flamewar startingpoint. Marian Griffith
                    • • A flamewar startingpoint. Jon A. Lambert
                      • A flamewar startingpoint. JC Lawrence
                      • • A flamewar startingpoint. Marian Griffith
                        • • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
        • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
      • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
    • A flamewar startingpoint. Adam Wiggins
    • • A flamewar startingpoint. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • • A flamewar startingpoint. Adam Wiggins
        • • A flamewar startingpoint. Derrick Jones
          • • A flamewar startingpoint. Adam Wiggins
            • • A flamewar startingpoint. Sauron
              • A flamewar startingpoint. Derrick Jones
              • • A flamewar startingpoint. Adam Wiggins
            • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
          • A flamewar startingpoint. Matt Chatterley
          • A flamewar startingpoint. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
          • • A flamewar startingpoint. Adam Wiggins
          • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
        • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
    • A flamewar startingpoint. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
      • • A flamewar startingpoint. Nathan Yospe
  • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
  • A flamewar startingpoint.) Chris Gray
  • A flamewar startingpoint.) Miroslav Silovic
  • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Jon A. Lambert
    • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Marian Griffith
      • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Adam Wiggins
        • A flamewar startingpoint.) Derrick Jones
        • A flamewar startingpoint.) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • A flamewar startingpoint.) coder@ibm.net
      • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Chris Gray
        • • A flamewar startingpoint.) coder@ibm.net
        • A flamewar startingpoint.) Adam Wiggins
        • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Stephen Zepp
          • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Adam Wiggins
            • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Stephen Zepp
              • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Adam Wiggins
          • A flamewar startingpoint.) coder@ibm.net
        • A flamewar startingpoint.) Jon A. Lambert
  • A flamewar startingpoint.) Chris Gray
  • A flamewar startingpoint.) Adam Wiggins
  • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
  • A flamewar startingpoint.) coder@ibm.net
• Noise-to-signal ratio Sauron
• Gender specific Marian Griffith
• • Gender specific Adam Wiggins
  • • Gender specific Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • Gender specific Marian Griffith
    • • Gender specific Sauron
      • • Gender specific Marian Griffith
        • • Gender specific Derrick Jones
        • Gender specific Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • Gender specific Mike Sellers
    • • Gender specific Adam Wiggins
      • • Gender specific Mike Sellers
      • Gender specific Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • • Gender specific Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• Gender specific Cynbe ru Taren
• Eating and sleeping (was: A flamewar startingpoint.) Derrick Jones
• A flamewar startingpoint.y Adam Wiggins
• SUMMARY: Mud Grammar Jon A. Lambert
• You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • You, the game of philosophy. Adam Wiggins
  • • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • You, the game of philosophy. coder@ibm.net
      • • You, the game of philosophy. Jon A. Lambert
        • • You, the game of philosophy. JC Lawrence
  • You, the game of philosophy. Derrick Jones
  • • You, the game of philosophy. Richard Woolcock
    • • You, the game of philosophy. Adam Wiggins
      • • You, the game of philosophy. Richard Woolcock
        • • You, the game of philosophy. Adam Wiggins
          • • You, the game of philosophy. Richard Woolcock
        • You, the game of philosophy. coder@ibm.net
        • • You, the game of philosophy. Caliban Tiresias Darklock
          • • You, the game of philosophy. Adam Wiggins
            • • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
            • You, the game of philosophy. coder@ibm.net
            • • You, the game of philosophy. Derrick Jones
              • • You, the game of philosophy. coder@ibm.net
            • You, the game of philosophy. Jon A. Lambert
            • • You, the game of philosophy. Marian Griffith
              • • You, the game of philosophy. Jon A. Lambert
              • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
              • • You, the game of philosophy. Jon A. Lambert
                • • You, the game of philosophy. Matt Chatterley
                  • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                  • • You, the game of philosophy. Jon A. Lambert
                    • • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                      • • You, the game of philosophy. JC Lawrence
                        • • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                          • • You, the game of philosophy. JC Lawrence
                            • • You, the game of philosophy. Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      • You, the game of philosophy. Derrick Jones
      • You, the game of philosophy. coder@ibm.net
      • • You, the game of philosophy. Vadim Tkachenko
        • • You, the game of philosophy. coder@ibm.net
    • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • You, the game of philosophy. Derrick Jones
      • • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • You, the game of philosophy. coder@ibm.net
  • • You, the game of philosophy. Chris Gray
    • • You, the game of philosophy. Stephen Zepp
  • You, the game of philosophy. Jon A. Lambert
• Dynamic room descriptions Richard Woolcock
• Naming and descriptions (was Introductions and descriptions) Mike Sellers
• Introductions and descriptions Matt Chatterley
• • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
  • • Introductions and descriptions Matt Chatterley
    • • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
      • • Introductions and descriptions Adam Wiggins
        • • Introductions and descriptions coder@ibm.net
        • Introductions and descriptions Marian Griffith
        • • Introductions and descriptions Sauron
          • • Introductions and descriptions Marian Griffith
            • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
          • Introductions and descriptions Chris Gray
          • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
        • Introductions and descriptions Matt Chatterley
        • • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
      • Introductions and descriptions Maddy
      • • Introductions and descriptions Matt Chatterley
      • Introductions and descriptions coder@ibm.net
      • • Introductions and descriptions Matt Chatterley
        • • Introductions and descriptions coder@ibm.net
          • • Introductions and descriptions Derrick Jones
    • Introductions and descriptions Derrick Jones
    • • Introductions and descriptions Adam Wiggins
      • • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
        • • Introductions and descriptions Maddy
          • • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
            • • Introductions and descriptions Maddy
              • • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
                • • Introductions and descriptions Adam Wiggins
                  • • Introductions and descriptions Derrick Jones
                    • • Introductions and descriptions Jon A. Lambert
                      • Introductions and descriptions Adam Wiggins
                      • • Introductions and descriptions Brandon J. Rickman
                        • • Introductions and descriptions Adam Wiggins
                          • • Introductions and descriptions Derrick Jones
                            • • Introductions and descriptions Vadim Tkachenko
                              • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
                            • Introductions and descriptions coder@ibm.net
                      • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
                      • Introductions and descriptions Maddy
                  • Introductions and descriptions coder@ibm.net
          • Introductions and descriptions coder@ibm.net
        • Introductions and descriptions coder@ibm.net
        • • Introductions and descriptions Adam Wiggins
• Introductions and Matt Chatterley
• • Introductions and Adam Wiggins
  • • Introductions and Derrick Jones
    • Introductions and Marian Griffith
    • • Introductions and Matt Chatterley
  • Introductions and Richard Woolcock
  • • Introductions and Marian Griffith
    • • Introductions and Sauron
      • • Introductions and Marian Griffith
        • • Introductions and Adam Wiggins
          • • Introductions and Marian Griffith
            • Introductions and Mike Sellers
            • • Introductions and Brandon J. Rickman
              • • Introductions and Mike Sellers
                • Introductions and Caliban Tiresias Darklock
            • Introductions and Richard Woolcock
          • Introductions and Richard Woolcock
      • Introductions and Adam Wiggins
      • Introductions and Matt Chatterley
      • • Introductions and Mike Sellers
        • • Introductions and Richard Woolcock
        • Introductions and Jon A. Lambert
      • Introductions and Richard Woolcock
      • • Introductions and Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • • Introductions and Richard Woolcock
          • • Introductions and Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• Introductions and Maddy
• • Introductions and Richard Woolcock
  • Introductions and coder@ibm.net
  • • Introductions and Ling
    • • Introductions and coder@ibm.net
• Introductions and Richard Woolcock
• mud time (A flamewar startingpoint.) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• Nostalgy (A flamewar startingpoint.) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• Communication [was Introductions and..] Matt Chatterley
• • Communication [was Introductions and..] Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • • Communication [was Introductions and..] Adam Wiggins
    • • Communication [was Introductions and..] Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      • • Communication [was Introductions and..] Derrick Jones
  • Communication [was Introductions and..] Marian Griffith
  • Communication [was Introductions and..] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• requests Marian Griffith
• • requests Marian Griffith
  • • requests Frank Crowell
  • requests Chris Gray
  • requests Brandon J. Rickman
• more requests Marian Griffith
• Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
• • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Koster, Raph
      • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
        • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
          • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Koster, Raph
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Adam Wiggins
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
              • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Koster, Raph
                  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
            • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Marian Griffith
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Richard Woolcock
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
                  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] JC Lawrence
            • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Marian Griffith
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
          • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Felix A. Croes
          • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Felix A. Croes
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Maddy
                  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
      • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
        • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Marian Griffith
        • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
          • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Marian Griffith
            • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Stephen Zepp
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Richard Woolcock
    • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Koster, Raph
      • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
  • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ling
  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Derrick Jones
    • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Richard Woolcock
      • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
        • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ling
          • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Richard Woolcock
        • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
    • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
    • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Koster, Raph
    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Marian Griffith
      • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Vadim Tkachenko
        • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
          • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Derrick Jones
          • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Richard Woolcock
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Derrick Jones
                  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Chris Gray
                      • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Marian Griffith
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Marian Griffith
                    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                  • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Adam Wiggins
            • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Derrick Jones
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                  • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
          • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
        • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ling
        • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
        • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Stephen Zepp
          • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Derrick Jones
          • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
        • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
          • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Stephen Zepp
  • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] JC Lawrence
  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] JC Lawrence
      • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
        • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
  • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] JC Lawrence
• Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
• • Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World] s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
  • • Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
    • • Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World] s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
      • • Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
      • Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
• fwd: Erasmatron Revs up Interactive Fiction Brandon J. Rickman
• Q: What are the coolest thief skills people have seen? coder@ibm.net
• Lots of things about me (long) Ling
• OT: my web pages Marian Griffith
• Java, applets, forests and ecologies. Ling
• • Java, applets, forests and ecologies. Derrick Jones
  • • Java, applets, forests and ecologies. Michael Hohensee
    • • Java, applets, forests and ecologies. Chris Gray
    • Java, applets, forests and ecologies. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • Java, applets, forests and ecologies. Chris Gray
  • (Java, applets,) forests and ecologies. Marian Griffith
• Thief skills, Dream Park and me (again) Ling
• • Thief skills, Dream Park and me (again) Adam Wiggins
  • Thief skills, Dream Park and me (again) Chris Gray
  • Thief skills, Dream Park and me (again) Richard Woolcock
  • Thief skills, Dream Park and me (again) coder@ibm.net
• ... forests and ecologies. Mike Sellers
• • ... forests and ecologies. Jon A. Lambert
  • ... forests and ecologies. coder@ibm.net
• Java Chris Gray