November 1997

• DESIGN: ECONOMICS: Money Supply coder@ibm.net
• Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
  From: lunfo@aol.com (Lunfo)
  Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.misc
  Subject: Less numbers, more roleplaying.
  Date: 30 Aug 1997 17:55:00 GMT
  
  Having telnetted and developed extensive characters in many MUDs ever
  since my first exposure to them about 6 years ago I've started to divide
  them into two categories: number oriented vs. imagination oriented.
  
  For the sake of comparison I will use the two most popular MUDs that I
  have come across: Gemstone III and Dragonrealms. (if you will take the
  luxury of berating me for "selling out" or picking the mainstream, the
  "aol of all MUDs" just remember a self-conceived quote I have:
  
  Beleaguering "pop culture" is the pop culture of modern time.
  
  Now to get on with the comparison. As most of you know (if not from
  playing the game then from hearing all the newbies auction their items
  here ;) Gemstone bases its entire experience system and its combat system
  on "numbers." (i.e. Attack strength = 200, defense strength = 190,
  caster's strength = 250, etc...) From my experience, these numbers
  overcame me and became my primary concern every time I signed on to GS3.
  I would pull "all nighters" for a week to get these "numbers" up. And no
  matter how high they become it was never enough. When I would see my
  friends exploring new places and just being in-character I would tell them
  that they will never get "their numbers" up doing this.
  
  But then after I reached a decent level I would realize how systematic and
  parasitic my whole experience with the game has been. I would realize how
  much it took away from my real life experiences and how it made me into
  pretty much a hermit. Then I would go straight to the local inn and
  retire my character. After a week or so I would start this process again
  and it would have the same ending. I did this about 5 times before I
  realized something.
  
  That there were words in this game that actually were interesting to read
  and had nothing to do with numbers. After going through the whole realms,
  reading the room descriptions, exploring new places, talking with an
  eclectic amount of people and just acting out my character I realized that
  no matter how high my skills were that I have been a newbie until that
  point. From my personal opinion - "numbers" increase the competition in
  the game and pull it towards the "hack and slash genre" (for those people
  that are going to jump all over me saying that Gemstone was in the "hack
  and slash genre from the very first time of its conception I have this to
  tell them: They are probably playing Gemstone on the level I was playing
  it when I was obsessed with numbers.)
  
  A couple of years after my experience with Gemstone, I ventured into the
  second Elanthia, Dragonrealms. I found the experience and the combat
  system of this game totally fascinating. Although the experience system
  had numbers, it wasn't based on "numbers." In contrast to GS3 where one
  exp skill determines your level Dragonrealms had about 30 ( each different
  for different personalities and professions) that do. And each experience
  needed for an increase in level was very unique and enticing: mechanical
  lore, foraging, musical lore, magical devices, targetting, primary magic,
  swimming, climbing, heavy edged weapons, medium edged weapons, two-handed
  edged weapons, brawling (I know not put in yet but many people got a lot
  of experience with that from the bug) composite crossbow, teaching,
  scholarship, and lots lots more. The combat system was even better since
  it didnt have any numbers altogether. It was all sentence oriented. i.e.
  The bolt lands a devastating hit that ruptures the spleen and causes an
  outflow of green mucous.
  
  Although I believe Dragonrealms took Gemstone to an entire new level, it
  still deserves critique. To begin with, the guild specifications for
  experience (mainly until reaching level 10) confine young players too much
  and not let their own personality to transcend into that of the
  characters.
  I believe that a player, who is in the barbarian guild, that wants to
  convey his love of music through his character and learns musical lore is
  discouraged from doing so because musical lore is not in his immediate
  experience requirements. Furthermore, one might also say that the hits of
  the combat system could be equivalent to numbers. i.e. each combat
  message specifies the extend of the hit: light hit, good strike, heavy,
  extremely heavy, hard, brushing, awesome, devastating, etc...
  
  However the best experience one would get from playing any MUD (that has a
  rank system or money system where competition is inevitable) is to forget
  about the exp system and the money system and just follow your character's
  instincts, whether it be to travel distand lands in search of knowledge,
  or engage in philosophical arguments with other characters (this latter
  urge I have to admit was very difficult to fulfill in GS3 and Dragonrealms
  - I think we all know the reason for that)
  
  As the French say,
  Finis. :)
  
  --
  J C Lawrence Internet: claw@null.net
  ----------(*) Internet: coder@ibm.net
  ...Honourary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith...
• • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Marian Griffith
    • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Adam Wiggins
      • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
        • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Marian Griffith
          • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Derrick Jones
            • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Marian Griffith
              • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Derrick Jones
                • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Richard Woolcock
                  • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Adam Wiggins
                    • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Richard Woolcock
                      • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Adam Wiggins
                        • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Derrick Jones
                        • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Jon Leonard
                        • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Adam Wiggins
                          • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
                            • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Matt Chatterley
                        • Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
                        • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Matt Chatterley
                          • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
                            • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Matt Chatterley
                              • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
                          • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Vadim Tkachenko
                          • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Derrick Jones
                      • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Matt Chatterley
                    • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Derrick Jones
                    • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Adam Wiggins
                      • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Jon A. Lambert
                        • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Chris Gray
                          • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Matt Chatterley
                        • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Richard Woolcock
                      • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Richard Woolcock
                      • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Derrick Jones
                        • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Jon A. Lambert
                    • Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
                  • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Adam Wiggins
                  • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Marian Griffith
                  • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Richard Woolcock
                    • • Less numbers, more roleplaying. coder@ibm.net
        • Less numbers, more roleplaying. Marian Griffith
• SUMMARY: Skills and Skills improvement coder@ibm.net
• newbie Marc Eyrignoux
• • newbie coder@ibm.net
  • newbie Miroslav Silovic
  • newbie Sauron
  • • newbie Derrick Jones
    • • newbie Chris Gray
    • newbie coder@ibm.net
    • • newbie Matt Chatterley
• Fear of magic (was:Usability and interface)y Adam Wiggins
• Sorry... Bjarni Norddahl
• OT: threading list messages Alex Oren
• • OT: threading list messages coder@ibm.net
  • • OT: threading list messages Alex Oren
    • OT: threading list messages s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
  • OT: threading list messages Chris Gray
• AI Path Finding Todd Lair
• A flamewar startingpoint. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • A flamewar startingpoint. Adam Wiggins
  • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
  • • A flamewar startingpoint. Chris Gray
    • • A flamewar startingpoint. Brandon Cline
      • • A flamewar startingpoint. Chris Gray
        • • A flamewar startingpoint. Brandon Cline
          • • A flamewar startingpoint. Derrick Jones
            • • A flamewar startingpoint. Brandon J. Rickman
            • A flamewar startingpoint. s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
            • • A flamewar startingpoint. Adam Wiggins
              • • A flamewar startingpoint. Derrick Jones
                • • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
                • A flamewar startingpoint. Miroslav Silovic
                • • A flamewar startingpoint. Derrick Jones
                  • • A flamewar startingpoint. Chris Gray
                    • • A flamewar startingpoint. Derrick Jones
                    • A flamewar startingpoint. Miroslav Silovic
          • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
          • • A flamewar startingpoint. Marian Griffith
            • • A flamewar startingpoint. Matt Chatterley
              • • A flamewar startingpoint. Jon A. Lambert
                • • A flamewar startingpoint. Chris Gray
                  • A flamewar startingpoint. Matt Chatterley
                  • A flamewar startingpoint. JC Lawrence
                  • • A flamewar startingpoint. Marian Griffith
                    • • A flamewar startingpoint. Jon A. Lambert
                      • A flamewar startingpoint. JC Lawrence
                      • • A flamewar startingpoint. Marian Griffith
                        • • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
        • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
      • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
    • A flamewar startingpoint. Adam Wiggins
    • • A flamewar startingpoint. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • • A flamewar startingpoint. Adam Wiggins
        • • A flamewar startingpoint. Derrick Jones
          • • A flamewar startingpoint. Adam Wiggins
            • • A flamewar startingpoint. Sauron
              • A flamewar startingpoint. Derrick Jones
              • • A flamewar startingpoint. Adam Wiggins
            • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
          • A flamewar startingpoint. Matt Chatterley
          • A flamewar startingpoint. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
          • • A flamewar startingpoint. Adam Wiggins
          • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
        • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
    • A flamewar startingpoint. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
      • • A flamewar startingpoint. Nathan Yospe
  • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
  • A flamewar startingpoint.) Chris Gray
  • A flamewar startingpoint.) Miroslav Silovic
  • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Jon A. Lambert
    • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Marian Griffith
      • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Adam Wiggins
        • A flamewar startingpoint.) Derrick Jones
        • A flamewar startingpoint.) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • A flamewar startingpoint.) coder@ibm.net
      • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Chris Gray
        • • A flamewar startingpoint.) coder@ibm.net
        • A flamewar startingpoint.) Adam Wiggins
        • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Stephen Zepp
          • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Adam Wiggins
            • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Stephen Zepp
              • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Adam Wiggins
          • A flamewar startingpoint.) coder@ibm.net
        • A flamewar startingpoint.) Jon A. Lambert
  • A flamewar startingpoint.) Chris Gray
  • A flamewar startingpoint.) Adam Wiggins
  • • A flamewar startingpoint.) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • A flamewar startingpoint. coder@ibm.net
  • A flamewar startingpoint.) coder@ibm.net
• Noise-to-signal ratio Sauron
• Gender specific Marian Griffith
• • Gender specific Adam Wiggins
  • • Gender specific Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • Gender specific Marian Griffith
    • • Gender specific Sauron
      • • Gender specific Marian Griffith
        • • Gender specific Derrick Jones
        • Gender specific Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • Gender specific Mike Sellers
    • • Gender specific Adam Wiggins
      • • Gender specific Mike Sellers
      • Gender specific Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • • Gender specific Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• Gender specific Cynbe ru Taren
• Eating and sleeping (was: A flamewar startingpoint.) Derrick Jones
• A flamewar startingpoint.y Adam Wiggins
• SUMMARY: Mud Grammar Jon A. Lambert
• You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • You, the game of philosophy. Adam Wiggins
  • • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • You, the game of philosophy. coder@ibm.net
      • • You, the game of philosophy. Jon A. Lambert
        • • You, the game of philosophy. JC Lawrence
  • You, the game of philosophy. Derrick Jones
  • • You, the game of philosophy. Richard Woolcock
    • • You, the game of philosophy. Adam Wiggins
      • • You, the game of philosophy. Richard Woolcock
        • • You, the game of philosophy. Adam Wiggins
          • • You, the game of philosophy. Richard Woolcock
        • You, the game of philosophy. coder@ibm.net
        • • You, the game of philosophy. Caliban Tiresias Darklock
          • • You, the game of philosophy. Adam Wiggins
            • • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
            • You, the game of philosophy. coder@ibm.net
            • • You, the game of philosophy. Derrick Jones
              • • You, the game of philosophy. coder@ibm.net
            • You, the game of philosophy. Jon A. Lambert
            • • You, the game of philosophy. Marian Griffith
              • • You, the game of philosophy. Jon A. Lambert
              • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
              • • You, the game of philosophy. Jon A. Lambert
                • • You, the game of philosophy. Matt Chatterley
                  • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                  • • You, the game of philosophy. Jon A. Lambert
                    • • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                      • • You, the game of philosophy. JC Lawrence
                        • • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                          • • You, the game of philosophy. JC Lawrence
                            • • You, the game of philosophy. Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      • You, the game of philosophy. Derrick Jones
      • You, the game of philosophy. coder@ibm.net
      • • You, the game of philosophy. Vadim Tkachenko
        • • You, the game of philosophy. coder@ibm.net
    • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • You, the game of philosophy. Derrick Jones
      • • You, the game of philosophy. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • You, the game of philosophy. coder@ibm.net
  • • You, the game of philosophy. Chris Gray
    • • You, the game of philosophy. Stephen Zepp
  • You, the game of philosophy. Jon A. Lambert
• Dynamic room descriptions Richard Woolcock
• Naming and descriptions (was Introductions and descriptions) Mike Sellers
• Introductions and descriptions Matt Chatterley
• • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
  • • Introductions and descriptions Matt Chatterley
    • • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
      • • Introductions and descriptions Adam Wiggins
        • • Introductions and descriptions coder@ibm.net
        • Introductions and descriptions Marian Griffith
        • • Introductions and descriptions Sauron
          • • Introductions and descriptions Marian Griffith
            • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
          • Introductions and descriptions Chris Gray
          • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
        • Introductions and descriptions Matt Chatterley
        • • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
      • Introductions and descriptions Maddy
      • • Introductions and descriptions Matt Chatterley
      • Introductions and descriptions coder@ibm.net
      • • Introductions and descriptions Matt Chatterley
        • • Introductions and descriptions coder@ibm.net
          • • Introductions and descriptions Derrick Jones
    • Introductions and descriptions Derrick Jones
    • • Introductions and descriptions Adam Wiggins
      • • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
        • • Introductions and descriptions Maddy
          • • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
            • • Introductions and descriptions Maddy
              • • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
                • • Introductions and descriptions Adam Wiggins
                  • • Introductions and descriptions Derrick Jones
                    • • Introductions and descriptions Jon A. Lambert
                      • Introductions and descriptions Adam Wiggins
                      • • Introductions and descriptions Brandon J. Rickman
                        • • Introductions and descriptions Adam Wiggins
                          • • Introductions and descriptions Derrick Jones
                            • • Introductions and descriptions Vadim Tkachenko
                              • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
                            • Introductions and descriptions coder@ibm.net
                      • Introductions and descriptions Richard Woolcock
                      • Introductions and descriptions Maddy
                  • Introductions and descriptions coder@ibm.net
          • Introductions and descriptions coder@ibm.net
        • Introductions and descriptions coder@ibm.net
        • • Introductions and descriptions Adam Wiggins
• Introductions and Matt Chatterley
• • Introductions and Adam Wiggins
  • • Introductions and Derrick Jones
    • Introductions and Marian Griffith
    • • Introductions and Matt Chatterley
  • Introductions and Richard Woolcock
  • • Introductions and Marian Griffith
    • • Introductions and Sauron
      • • Introductions and Marian Griffith
        • • Introductions and Adam Wiggins
          • • Introductions and Marian Griffith
            • Introductions and Mike Sellers
            • • Introductions and Brandon J. Rickman
              • • Introductions and Mike Sellers
                • Introductions and Caliban Tiresias Darklock
            • Introductions and Richard Woolcock
          • Introductions and Richard Woolcock
      • Introductions and Adam Wiggins
      • Introductions and Matt Chatterley
      • • Introductions and Mike Sellers
        • • Introductions and Richard Woolcock
        • Introductions and Jon A. Lambert
      • Introductions and Richard Woolcock
      • • Introductions and Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • • Introductions and Richard Woolcock
          • • Introductions and Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• Introductions and Maddy
• • Introductions and Richard Woolcock
  • Introductions and coder@ibm.net
  • • Introductions and Ling
    • • Introductions and coder@ibm.net
• Introductions and Richard Woolcock
• mud time (A flamewar startingpoint.) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• Nostalgy (A flamewar startingpoint.) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• Communication [was Introductions and..] Matt Chatterley
• • Communication [was Introductions and..] Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • • Communication [was Introductions and..] Adam Wiggins
    • • Communication [was Introductions and..] Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      • • Communication [was Introductions and..] Derrick Jones
  • Communication [was Introductions and..] Marian Griffith
  • Communication [was Introductions and..] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• requests Marian Griffith
• • requests Marian Griffith
  • • requests Frank Crowell
  • requests Chris Gray
  • requests Brandon J. Rickman
• more requests Marian Griffith
• Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
• • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Koster, Raph
      • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
        • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
          • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Koster, Raph
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Adam Wiggins
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
              • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Koster, Raph
                  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
            • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Marian Griffith
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Richard Woolcock
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
                  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] JC Lawrence
            • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Marian Griffith
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
          • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Felix A. Croes
          • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Felix A. Croes
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Maddy
                  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
      • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
        • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Marian Griffith
        • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
          • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Marian Griffith
            • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Stephen Zepp
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Richard Woolcock
    • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Koster, Raph
      • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
  • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ling
  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Derrick Jones
    • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Richard Woolcock
      • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
        • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ling
          • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Richard Woolcock
        • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
    • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
    • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Koster, Raph
    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Marian Griffith
      • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Vadim Tkachenko
        • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
          • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Derrick Jones
          • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Richard Woolcock
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Derrick Jones
                  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Chris Gray
                      • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Marian Griffith
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Marian Griffith
                    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                  • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Adam Wiggins
            • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
            • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
              • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Derrick Jones
                • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
                  • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
          • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
        • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ling
        • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
        • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Stephen Zepp
          • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Derrick Jones
          • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
        • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
          • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Stephen Zepp
  • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] JC Lawrence
  • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] JC Lawrence
      • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
        • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Matt Chatterley
  • Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] JC Lawrence
• Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
• • Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World] s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
  • • Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
    • • Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World] s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
      • • Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World] coder@ibm.net
      • Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World] Jon A. Lambert
• fwd: Erasmatron Revs up Interactive Fiction Brandon J. Rickman
• Q: What are the coolest thief skills people have seen? coder@ibm.net
• Lots of things about me (long) Ling
• OT: my web pages Marian Griffith
• Java, applets, forests and ecologies. Ling
• • Java, applets, forests and ecologies. Derrick Jones
  • • Java, applets, forests and ecologies. Michael Hohensee
    • • Java, applets, forests and ecologies. Chris Gray
    • Java, applets, forests and ecologies. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • Java, applets, forests and ecologies. Chris Gray
  • (Java, applets,) forests and ecologies. Marian Griffith
• Thief skills, Dream Park and me (again) Ling
• • Thief skills, Dream Park and me (again) Adam Wiggins
  • Thief skills, Dream Park and me (again) Chris Gray
  • Thief skills, Dream Park and me (again) Richard Woolcock
  • Thief skills, Dream Park and me (again) coder@ibm.net
• ... forests and ecologies. Mike Sellers
• • ... forests and ecologies. Jon A. Lambert
  • ... forests and ecologies. coder@ibm.net
• Java Chris Gray