July 2007

• [JOB] Linden Lab Brighton Party 26th July Jim Purbrick
• • [JOB] Linden Lab Brighton Party 26th July Christopher Lloyd
• [BIZ] Forum software? Mike Rozak
• • [BIZ] Forum software? Caliban Darklock
  • • [BIZ] Forum software? Adam Martin
  • [BIZ] Forum software? Chan Yong Wei
  • [BIZ] Forum software? Michael Chui
  • [BIZ] Forum software? David Johansson
  • [BIZ] Forum software? Dana V. Baldwin
  • • [BIZ] Forum software? David Johansson
  • [BIZ] Forum software? Morgan Ramsay
• [DESIGN] Will players pay for public services? Nicholas Koranda
• • [DESIGN] Will players pay for public services? cruise
• [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Nicholas Koranda
• • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Tom Hudson
  • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
  • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Travis Casey
  • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Tom Hudson
    • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Travis Casey
      • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
      • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... cruise
        • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
          • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... cruise
            • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
              • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... cruise
                • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
                  • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Tom Hudson
                  • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
                  • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Aurel Mihai
                    • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... cruise
                      • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... John Buehler
                      • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Michael Chui
                    • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                    • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
                      • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                        • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
                          • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                            • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
                              • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... cruise
                                • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                                  • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
                                  • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                                    • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                                      • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
                                  • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                                  • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
                            • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Michael Chui
                            • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                        • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... cruise
            • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
          • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... John Arras
          • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
            • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Damion Schubert
              • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... John Buehler
              • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... cruise
                • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Damion Schubert
                  • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... John Buehler
                    • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Damion Schubert
                      • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... John Buehler
                      • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... cruise
                      • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                        • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
              • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Acius
              • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... cruise
          • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Tom Hudson
        • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Tom Hudson
          On 7/30/07, Caliban Darklock <cdarklock@gmail.com> wrote:
          > On 7/27/07, Tom Hudson <hudson@alumni.unc.edu> wrote:
          > >
          > > Vincent's proposal was more to say "As a level 5
          > > character, you received level 2 XP for killing a level 2 mob - which
          > > doesn't do you any good - and level 5 XP for killing a level 5 mob -
          > > which helps you towards level 6." This means that farming easy targets
          > > all day gets you nowhere, at least in the XP department.
          >
          > Here's the question that comes to my mind.
          >
          > Ten level 1 characters get together and gang up on some level 8 mobs.
          > Can they use the resulting level 8 experience to skip levels 2 through
          > 8 and go directly to level 9?
          
          In the original proposal, they'd have earned level 2 - but the work
          they'd done would make it easier to get up to level 8. If they kept
          doing level 8 tasks, they'd only have to do 7 more to get up to level
          9 - but then they'd have made no progress from 8 to 9, and have to do
          9 level 9 tasks for their next level. To get a "smooth" fast leveling
          progression, working in a group, they should keep doing tasks well
          above their current level - they can theoretically advance with O(lvl)
          tasks, although it'll be a bit worse than that in practice. Working
          slowly and methodically, they can do tasks of "barely appropriate"
          difficulty, but they'll need to do O(lvl^2).
          
          This is another possible motivation for ATitD3 to only make low-level
          tasks available at low levels.
          
          > If you say "no, they can't"... well, that's not fair. I beat a bunch
          > of level eight mobs. If I were level 8, I would be level 9. But
          > instead, you're going to make me stay on level 1? That's a bug.
          
          Only if you beat a bunch of level 8 mobs AND did 7 other level-8 tasks.
          
          > Now, I *can* see a way to potentially resolve this. Instead of level 9
          > being a set of statistics and abilities that incorporates everything
          > prior, have it ADD statistics and abilities as a differential from
          > level 8. So once you earn enough level 8 XP, you get the abilities and
          > bonuses of level 9, but since you haven't earned the abilities and
          > bonuses of levels 2 through 8 - it's not all that impressive. Your
          > stats would say "Level 9", but that wouldn't mean you learned
          > everything else.
          
          So then when you earned levels 2 and 3, your stats would still say
          "Level 9"? That's pretty misleading, and doesn't give much of a sense
          of advancement.
          
          > For example, imagine that at level 1 you have some arbitrary skill
          > with a rating of 15, at level 8 you have a skill of 75, and at level 9
          > you have a skill of 83. If you earn a bunch of level 8 experience at
          > level 1, you would get "Level 9" on your stats and your skill would go
          > up to 23. If all you care about is what your stats say, you'll be
          > happy. If you want the skill of 83, you need to go earn different
          > experience.
          
          You're getting at a slightly different advancement method here, I
          think. Levels no longer depend on one another at all. And after a
          character has done several level 7-9 tasks it seems petty to make them
          do some level 2-3 tasks to increase their stats, if the tasks are
          really organized in increasing order of difficulty. I think the
          numbers are a distraction here, but I might just be biased by the
          advancement models this thread has made me think about, which are
          mostly ATitD-like.
          
          Tom
        • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
    • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Jarod Reid
    • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
    • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... cruise
    • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Travis Casey
• [DESIGN] Believable NPCs (was Natural Language Generation) Nicholas Koranda
• [DESIGN] Active and Inactive Currency Nicholas Koranda
• • [DESIGN] Active and Inactive Currency Travis Casey
  • • [DESIGN] Active and Inactive Currency Jon Leonard
    • [DESIGN] Active and Inactive Currency Peter Keeler
    • • [DESIGN] Active and Inactive Currency Caliban Darklock
      • • [DESIGN] Active and Inactive Currency Peter Keeler
        • • [DESIGN] Active and Inactive Currency Michael Chui
          • • [DESIGN] Active and Inactive Currency Caliban Darklock
            • • [DESIGN] Active and Inactive Currency John Buehler
              • [DESIGN] Active and Inactive Currency Johnicholas Hines
• [DESIGN] Expected value and standard deviation Nicholas Koranda
• • [DESIGN] Expected value and standard deviation Travis Casey
  • [DESIGN] Expected value and standard deviation cruise
  • • [DESIGN] Expected value and standard deviation Darryl Woodford