July 2007

• [JOB] Linden Lab Brighton Party 26th July Jim Purbrick
• • [JOB] Linden Lab Brighton Party 26th July Christopher Lloyd
• [BIZ] Forum software? Mike Rozak
• • [BIZ] Forum software? Caliban Darklock
  • • [BIZ] Forum software? Adam Martin
  • [BIZ] Forum software? Chan Yong Wei
  • [BIZ] Forum software? Michael Chui
  • [BIZ] Forum software? David Johansson
  • [BIZ] Forum software? Dana V. Baldwin
  • • [BIZ] Forum software? David Johansson
  • [BIZ] Forum software? Morgan Ramsay
• [DESIGN] Will players pay for public services? Nicholas Koranda
• • [DESIGN] Will players pay for public services? cruise
• [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Nicholas Koranda
• • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Tom Hudson
  • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
  • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Travis Casey
  • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Tom Hudson
    • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Travis Casey
      • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
      • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... cruise
        • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
          • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... cruise
            • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
              • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... cruise
                • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
                  • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Tom Hudson
                  • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
                  • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Aurel Mihai
                    • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... cruise
                      • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... John Buehler
                      • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Michael Chui
                    • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                    • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
                      • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                        • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
                          • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                            • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
                              • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... cruise
                                • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                                  • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
                                  • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                                    • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                                      • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
                                  • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                                  • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
                            • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Michael Chui
                            • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                        • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... cruise
            • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
          • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... John Arras
          • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
            • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Damion Schubert
              • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... John Buehler
              • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... cruise
                • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Damion Schubert
                  • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... John Buehler
                    • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Damion Schubert
                      • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... John Buehler
                      • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... cruise
                      • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                        • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
              • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Acius
              • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... cruise
          • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Tom Hudson
        • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Tom Hudson
        • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Caliban Darklock
            On 7/31/07, Tom Hudson <hudson@alumni.unc.edu> wrote:
            > On 7/30/07, Caliban Darklock <cdarklock@gmail.com> wrote:
            > >
            > > Ten level 1 characters get together and gang up on some level 8 mobs.
            > > Can they use the resulting level 8 experience to skip levels 2 through
            > > 8 and go directly to level 9?
            >
            > In the original proposal, they'd have earned level 2 - but the work
            > they'd done would make it easier to get up to level 8. If they kept
            > doing level 8 tasks
            
            But they haven't earned any level 2 experience. You're going to take
            the level 8 experience they just earned and make them waste it on
            level 2? That's not fair.
            
            > > If you say "no, they can't"... well, that's not fair. I beat a bunch
            > > of level eight mobs. If I were level 8, I would be level 9. But
            > > instead, you're going to make me stay on level 1? That's a bug.
            >
            > Only if you beat a bunch of level 8 mobs AND did 7 other level-8 tasks.
            
            That would be beating the "bunch" of level eight mobs, said "bunch"
            being sufficient to number N tasks where N is the number necessary to
            progress from level 8 to level 9. That's why I said "If I were level
            8, I would be level 9." Whatever nitpicky little technical issue you'd
            like to pull out of your hat and claim you can't get from level 8 to
            level 9 just by beating mobs, it's irrelevant. When you divide all the
            experience into separate types, the expectation of the player is that
            if he collects all the pieces of level 9, he has earned level 9. If
            you instead award him level 2, that's a bug.
            
            > So then when you earned levels 2 and 3, your stats would still say
            > "Level 9"? That's pretty misleading, and doesn't give much of a sense
            > of advancement.
            
            I disagree. If I earn level 9 when I'm level 1, I get a massive sense
            of advancement. And I don't think it's particularly misleading to
            advertise that I've earned the level I have, indeed, earned.
            
            The ability to skip parts of the game that are not fun is a feature.
            
            > You're getting at a slightly different advancement method here, I
            > think.
            
            Aren't we talking about ways to substantially improve the methods of
            advancement in games by radically rethinking our assumptions?
            
            Why does level 1 have to be followed by level 2?
            
            Why does level 9 have to be preceded by level 8?
            
            What is a level, anyway?
            
            To my way of thinking, a level is a collection of abilities and skills
            which have been wrapped up together for convenience. It's just a
            package. Take any skill-based system, you can wrap up a set of skills
            and call them a "class" with each "level" being a standard set of
            skill increases. When you drop down to skill-based, you're abandoning
            the player to create his own class, which he will do to his own
            advantage. Levels are how you insist and enforce that certain balances
            are maintained.
    • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Jarod Reid
    • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
    • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... cruise
    • • [DESIGN] Removing the almighty experience point... Travis Casey
• [DESIGN] Believable NPCs (was Natural Language Generation) Nicholas Koranda
• [DESIGN] Active and Inactive Currency Nicholas Koranda
• • [DESIGN] Active and Inactive Currency Travis Casey
  • • [DESIGN] Active and Inactive Currency Jon Leonard
    • [DESIGN] Active and Inactive Currency Peter Keeler
    • • [DESIGN] Active and Inactive Currency Caliban Darklock
      • • [DESIGN] Active and Inactive Currency Peter Keeler
        • • [DESIGN] Active and Inactive Currency Michael Chui
          • • [DESIGN] Active and Inactive Currency Caliban Darklock
            • • [DESIGN] Active and Inactive Currency John Buehler
              • [DESIGN] Active and Inactive Currency Johnicholas Hines
• [DESIGN] Expected value and standard deviation Nicholas Koranda
• • [DESIGN] Expected value and standard deviation Travis Casey
  • [DESIGN] Expected value and standard deviation cruise
  • • [DESIGN] Expected value and standard deviation Darryl Woodford