May 2005
- SOC: Will company sanctioned cheating hurt the MMO community? Jaycen Rigger
- SOC: Will company sanctioned cheating hurt the MMOcommunity? Barry Kearns
- SOC: Will company sanctioned cheating hurt the MMOcommunity? Jaycen Rigger
- SOC: Will company sanctioned cheating hurt theMMOcommunity? Matt Mihaly
- SOC: Will company sanctioned cheating hurt theMMOcommunity? Jaycen Rigger
- SOC: Will company sanctioned cheating hurttheMMOcommunity? Matt Mihaly
- SOC: Will company sanctioned cheating hurt the MMO community? Michael Hartman
Jaycen Rigger wrote:
> Matt Mihaly <matt@ironrealms.com> wrote:
>> How do I know? I'm not just speculating, like you are.
> I do indeed have a great deal of experience with customer service
> and these games. I've been a Game Master/Admin on 3 different
> servers over the last 7 years.
Since you did not list any specific games, I assume these were the
Usual Suspects. Since none of the major games out there have (as of
yet) officially supported/provided for the buying and selling of
goods, enhancements, etc, your experience with this subject would be
zero. Right?
>> Cheating is playing against the rules. Once a practice isn't
>> against the rules, it's not cheating. Guess what? You don't set
>> the rules. The developer/publisher does.
> That's where you are so very wrong. If you're getting paid for
> what you do, then you have made a collosal mis-judgement. Your
> CUSTOMERS decide what is cheating.
Um....... no.
The inmates do not run the asylum on any properly run game.
>> A fascist state. Well, if we were talking about states, that
>> might make sense. But since we're talking about games, let's drop
>> the hyperbole and stop pretending SOE announced they're going to
>> steal your children and sell them to gypsies shall we?
> In fact, Matt, we are talking about states. The virtual world is
> a community, a state. If you don't get that, and if you don't get
> that political ideals apply to those communities, you might be in
> the wrong business.
No, a game is not a state. One of the most crucial things that
defines a state is that it possesses the power to jail and/or kill
you. A game developer can only do things to your character. The
stakes are infinitely lower than a real state.
Furthermore, a game has a profit motive. You can easily leave a game
with effectively zero cost or negative effects to your real
self. The same is not true for a state.
Every game world SHOULD be fascist with the developer wielding
absolute power. In fact, that is one of the things I am paying them
for. I am paying a company to wield absolute power over the game so
I have some measure of certainty about what will happen in that
game.
--
Michael Hartman
President and CEO, Threshold Virtual Environments, Inc.
http://www.thresholdrpg.com
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