July 2004

• [News] Ultima X: Odyssey cancelled Luca Girardo
• • [News] Ultima X: Odyssey cancelled Steven King
  • [News] Ultima X: Odyssey cancelled Luca Girardo
  • • [News] Ultima X: Odyssey cancelled David Kennerly
    • • [News] Ultima X: Odyssey cancelled Derek Licciardi
• MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Threshold RPG
• • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Par Winzell
  • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Threshold RPG
    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Dana V. Baldwin
      • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Mark Mensch
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Luca Girardo
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Dana V. Baldwin
      • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Michael Hartman
  • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Derek Licciardi
  • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Threshold RPG
    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Adam Burr
      • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
        • • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Scott Macmillan
          • • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Douglas Goodall
            • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Sean Howard
            • • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Amanda Walker
              • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Scott Macmillan
              • • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Sean Howard
                • CoH Michael Hartman
                • • CoH cruise
                  • CoH Scott Macmillan
                  • CoH darksuit
            • CoH Michael Hartman
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Ryan Shwayder
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? cruise
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Oliver Smith
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Oliver Smith
              • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
                • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Byron Ellacott
                  • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Koster, Raph
                    • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Brad McQuaid
                      • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Douglas Goodall
                        • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Dana V. Baldwin
                          • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Douglas Goodall
                            • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Zach Collins (Siege)
                              • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Douglas Goodall
                              • Instancing ceo
                              • • Instancing Douglas Goodall
                                • • Instancing ceo
          • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Oliver Smith
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
              • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
              • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                • • Depth (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Damion Schubert
                  • • Depth (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Sean Howard
              • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Sean Howard
              • • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Ghilardi Filippo
          • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Michael Hartman
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? cruise
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Michael Hartman
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? cruise
    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Amanda Walker
    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
      • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Michael Sellers
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Amanda Walker
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Paul McInnes
    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Andres Ferraro
      • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
      • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Ryan Shwayder
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Amanda Walker
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Mark Mensch
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
              • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Mark Mensch
                • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                  • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Derek Licciardi
                    • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Tom "cro" Gordon
                      • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Erik Bethke
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The skyis falling?) Koster, Raph
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The skyis falling?) Tom "cro" Gordon
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Douglas Goodall
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Tom "cro" Gordon
                      • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky isfalling?) Sean Howard
                      • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Derek Licciardi
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) John MacQueen
                          • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Thesky isfalling?) Freeman, Jeff
                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky isfalling?) Aaron Switzer
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Sean Howard
                          • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Aaron Switzer
                            • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Thesky isfalling?) Sean Howard
                              • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Thesky isfalling?) Aaron Switzer
                                • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                                • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Koster, Raph
                                • • MMO Communities (was MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                                  • • MMO Communities (was [MUD-Dev] MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Otis Viles
                                    • • MMO Communities (was RE:[MUD-Dev] MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                                      • • MMO Communities (was RE:MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Otis Viles
                                    • MMO Communities (was [MUD-Dev]MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Michael Sellers
                                    • • MMO Communities (was RE: [MUD-Dev]MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                                      • MMO Communities (was RE:[MUD-Dev]MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                                      • • MMO Communities (wasRE:[MUD-Dev]MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Matt Mihaly
                                  • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) ceo
                                  • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Paul Schwanz
                                  • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Tom "cro" Gordon
                                    • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Paul Schwanz
                                      • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                                        • • MMO Communities (was [MUD-Dev]MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Matt Mihaly
                                          • • MMO Communities (was RE: [MUD-Dev]MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                                            • • MMO Communities (wasRE: [MUD-Dev]MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Matt Mihaly
                                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) John Arras
                                          • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                                            • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                            • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) John Arras
                                              • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                                • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) cruise
                                                  • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                                  • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) John Arras
                                                  • • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) Douglas Goodall
                                                    • • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) Peter Keeler
                                                      • • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) Otis Viles
                                                      • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) Malcolm W. Tester II
                                                      • • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) Matt Mihaly
                                                      • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) cruise
                                          • MMO Communities (was [MUD-Dev] MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Paul Schwanz
                                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                          • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Zach Collins (Siege)
                                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Paolo Piselli
                                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                                      • forced grouping/coop play Tamzen Cannoy
                                      • • forced grouping/coop play Koster, Raph
                                        • • forced grouping/coop play Sean Kelly
                                  • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Andrew L. Tepper
                                  • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) HRose
                                  • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                    • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) HRose
                                      • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                                          HRose wrote:
                                          > Douglas Goodall wrote:
                                          
                                          > From my point of view this is a problem about the PvE. A PvE game
                                          > isn't a real MMOG, it's more near to a form of cooperative play,
                                          > when you include massive aspects you finish to "complicate" the
                                          > situation and produce side effects like griefing and competition
                                          > for content. It's an inner problem. A PvE-only game works better
                                          > if instanced, that's why examples like CoH are successful, because
                                          > they aren't really using the potential of a MMOG. They are
                                          > cooperative arcades in a semi-static environment (the static
                                          > aspect is just related to your character).
                                          
                                          Oh? What is it about cooperative play that defeats the concept of
                                          an MMOG? Is Quake not an FPS if you play through cooperatively
                                          instead of deathmatch, or Warcraft III still an RTS if several
                                          players play against computer opponents? The experience is
                                          different to PvP, but I don't think it is diminished by that
                                          difference.
                                          
                                          My queries about instancing were answered pretty thoroughly by Raph
                                          Koster and Brad McQuaid earlier this month: it is counter to social
                                          interaction, and largely incompatible with world altering
                                          consequences. Cooperative play requires social interaction as much
                                          as competetive play.
                                          
                                          > The side effects and the problems happen because designers try to
                                          > denaturalize the PvE game. A PvE game works better when instanced,
                                          > and this simply because of its characteristics.
                                          
                                          Griefing exists whenever there is a way for one player to cause a
                                          detrimental effect to another player. Training, kill stealing,
                                          ninja looting and offensive language don't rely on player combat,
                                          but corpse camping, ganking and player looting do require player
                                          combat. Griefing is not specific to either PvE or PvP play. It's
                                          also not specific to non-instanced play: there are griefers in
                                          Diablo II, Counter-Strike and Warcraft III, and those are all very
                                          strongly instanced.
                                          
                                          Competition occurs as a result of the supply and demand ratio of
                                          content being heavily tipped to the demand end. Adding one piece of
                                          content at a time essentially ensures that a significant number of
                                          players will want to consume that content in the near future.
                                          Compare this to competition for content at the low end of the game,
                                          where there are generally enough different types of content offering
                                          similar experiences to go around and fill demand.
                                          
                                          You can use instancing to solve the problem of singly added content
                                          that concentrates high end players, but at the cost of the negatives
                                          that instancing brings. Or you can introduce new content that
                                          doesn't concentrate players attempting to consume that content to
                                          one place (think: there's a new cult arising, priests of this cult
                                          can be found in or near most major cities, versus: there's a new
                                          cult arising, which can be found in the northern mountains). Or,
                                          you can just accept that new content will be hotly contested when
                                          launched, but will settle down over time (or when the next new piece
                                          of content is added).
                                          
                                          Saying that the PvE playstyle is at fault really is throwing out the
                                          baby with the bathwater. Limiting yourself to PvP only means you
                                          limit yourself to those who can compete in a PvP world, which is
                                          exclusively the people with eight hours a day to tweak, tune, and
                                          practice.
                                          
                                          --
                                          bje
                                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) HRose
                                          • • What is an MMOG? (was: MMO Communities) ceo
                                            • • What is an MMOG? (was: MMO Communities) HRose
                                              • • What is an MMOG? ceo
                                                • • What is an MMOG? HRose
                                                  • • What is an MMOG? Dana V. Baldwin
                                                    • • What is an MMOG? HRose
                                    • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) HRose
                                  • MMO Communities Eric Random
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky isfalling?) Paul Schwanz
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Sean Howard
                      • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) J C Lawrence
                      • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The skyis falling?) Derek Licciardi
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Theskyis falling?) Jon A. Lambert
                    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? ceo
                    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Tom "cro" Gordon
                      • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Thomas Tomiczek
                        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                      • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Douglas Goodall
          • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Scott Jennings
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Steven King
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Amanda Walker
            • • The business of avatar worlds (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) F. Randall Farmer
              • • The business of avatar worlds (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Paul Schwanz
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? David Kennerly
            • • Words (WAS: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Zach Collins (Siege)
              • • Words (WAS: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) kennerly@finegamedesign.com
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? zgj22@drexel.edu
        • Is space deep? (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) David Kennerly
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Tony Hoyt
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Damion Schubert
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Samantha LeCraft
              • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Samantha LeCraft
                  • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? ceo
                  • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
                  • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Brian 'Psychochild' Green
                    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
                      • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Oliver Smith
                    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Kerry Fraser-Robinson
              • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Damion Schubert
              • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Amanda Walker
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? J C Lawrence
  • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? David Kennerly
  • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Michael Sellers
  • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Luca Girardo
    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? ceo
• Sun Game Server Technology Chat Artur Biesiadowski
• • Quick Hello Mark Mensch
• Virtual/Real Currencies (was: [MUD-Dev][NEWS]GamingOpenMarket) Jon A. Lambert
• CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Alex Chacha
• • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Matt Mihaly
  • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Russ Whiteman
• CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Mike Rozak
• • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Douglas Goodall
  • • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Mike Rozak
    • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Byron Ellacott
      • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Mike Rozak
        • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Byron Ellacott
          • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
          • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Yannick Jean
            • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Otis Viles
            • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Mike Rozak
          • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Erik Bethke
          • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
            • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) dienw
              • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
                • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) J C Lawrence
                  • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
                    • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) J C Lawrence
                      • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
                      • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Erik Bethke
                      • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
                  • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Erik Bethke
                  • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                    • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
              • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Sean Howard
          • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
      • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Michael Hartman
      • • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Erik Bethke
    • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Michael Hartman
  • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Luca Girardo
• CoH and others Alex Chacha
• • CoH and others Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • CoH and others David Eckelberry
  • • CoH and others Vincent Archer
    • COH and others Alex Chacha
    • • COH and others Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • COH and others Alex Chacha
• Revenues Rafael Seabra
• • Revenues Erik Zwerling
  • • Revenues Matt Mihaly
    • • Revenues Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
      • • Revenues Matt Mihaly
• CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Koster, Raph
• • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Damion Schubert
• Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Ghilardi Filippo
• • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Mike Rozak
• [MUD-Dev]: Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Luca Girardo
• Virtual/Real Currencies Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• Indie MMOG's ceo
• • Indie MMOG's Koster, Raph
  • • Indie MMOG's ceo
  • Indie MMOG's Derek Licciardi
  • • Indie MMOG's ceo
    • • Indie MMOG's Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • Indie MMOG's Rob C
      • • Indie MMOG's ceo
        • • Indie MMOG's Rob C
          • • Indie MMOG's ceo
          • Indie MMOG's Rob C
          • • Indie MMOG's ceo
          • Indie MMOG's Michael Sellers
          • Indie MMOG's Michael Sellers
          • • Indie MMOG's ceo
        • Indie MMOG's Matt Mihaly
        • • Indie MMOG's Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
          • • Indie MMOG's Matt Mihaly
          • Indie MMOG's Amanda Walker
          • • Indie MMOG's Jon A. Lambert
            • Indie MMOG's Zach Collins (Siege)
            • • Indie MMOG's Amanda Walker
      • Indie MMOG's Derek Licciardi
      • • Indie MMOG's ceo
        • Indie MMOG's Matt Mihaly
        • Indie MMOG's Mike Rozak
        • • Indie MMOG's Scott Jennings
          • • Indie MMOG's Mike Rozak
          • Indie MMOG's Tiago Carita
    • Indie MMOG's Matt Mihaly
    • • Indie MMOG's Derek Licciardi
      • • Indie MMOG's Matt Mihaly
• Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Mike Rozak
• Security and cheating in MMOs jmbroyer
• [NEWS] Artifact Entertainment going bankrupt? Luca Girardo
• MEDIA: Multiplayer Gaming's Quiet Revolution J C Lawrence
• • DarkGalaxy Tiago Carita
• (no subject) Ghilardi Filippo
• Community? Erik Bethke
• • Community? Scott Jennings
  • • Community? Paul Schwanz
  • Community? Brian Thyer
  • Community? Sean Howard
  • • Community? Zach Collins (Siege)
    • Community? (Level Grind) Brian Thyer
    • • Community? (Level Grind) Sean Howard
      • • Community? (Level Grind) Damion Schubert
        • • Community? (Level Grind) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
          • • Community? (Level Grind) Malcolm W. Tester II
            • Community? (Level Grind) Victor Wachter
        • Community? (Level Grind) Douglas Goodall
        • • Community? (Level Grind) Matt Mihaly
          • • Community? (Level Grind) Ghilardi Filippo
            • Community? (Level Grind) HRose
            • Community? (Level Grind) Douglas Goodall
            • • Community? (Level Grind) Ghilardi Filippo
              • • Community? (Level Grind) Samurai Cat!
• Scalabity in MMOG's Rafael Seabra
• Level Grind - alternative Brendan O'Brien
• • Level Grind - alternative darksuit
  • • Level Grind - alternative Brendan O'Brien
  • Level Grind - alternative cruise
  • • Level Grind - alternative Brendan O'Brien
    • • Level Grind - alternative cruise
      • • Level Grind - alternative Brendan O'Brien
  • Level Grind - alternative Corey Cauble
  • • Level Grind - alternative Sean Howard
    • • Level Grind - alternative Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • Better Combat cruise
    • • Better Combat Ghilardi Filippo
      • • Better Combat cruise
      • Better Combat John Buehler
      • • Better Combat David Kennerly
        • • Better Combat John Buehler
          • • Better Combat David Kennerly
            • • Better Combat John Buehler
              • • Better Combat Amanda Walker
                • • Better Combat John Buehler
                  • Better Combat cruise
                  • • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                    • • Better Combat Yannick Jean
                      • • Better Combat Koster, Raph
                        • Better Combat HRose
                        • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                        • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] cruise
                          • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] Michael Hartman
                            • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] cruise
                              • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] Koster, Raph
                                • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] cruise
                                  • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] HRose
                                • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] Michael Hartman
                                • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] cruise
                          • Better Combat Paul Schwanz
                          • • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                            • • Better Combat Darkwolf
                              • Better Combat Dana V. Baldwin
                              • Better Combat Matt Mihaly
                              • Better Combat Koster, Raph
                              • • Better Combat Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                                • • Better Combat HRose
                                • Better Combat Steven King
                                • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                                  • • Better Combat Paolo Piselli
                                    • • Better Combat Zach Collins (Siege)
                                    • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                                    • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                                      • Better Combat David Kennerly
                                      • Better Combat John Buehler
                                • Better Combat HRose
                                • • Better Combat Koster, Raph
                                  • • Better Combat HRose
                              • Better Combat (keywords: downtime, socialization, UI) Eric Random
                              • Better Combat Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
                            • Better Combat Amanda Walker
                          • Better Combat Yannick Jean
                          • Better Combat Yannick Jean
                        • Better Combat Tom "cro" Gordon
                        • Better Combat Alex Arnon
                      • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                      • • Better Combat Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                        • • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                          • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                        • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                        • • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                          • • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                            • • Better Combat Dana V. Baldwin
                              • • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                                • • Better Combat Dana V. Baldwin
                                  • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) Paolo Piselli
                                  • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Derek Larson
                                    • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Paolo Piselli
                                      • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Derek Larson
                                        • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Paolo Piselli
                                          • • Cognitively Interesting Combat cruise
                                            • • Cognitively Interesting Combat ceo
                                              • Cognitively Interesting Combat Byron Ellacott
                                              • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Ben Hawes
                                                • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Ben Hawes
                                                • Cognitively Interesting Combat KaVir@t-online.de (Richard Woolcock)
                                              • Cognitively Interesting Combat Mike Rozak
                                              • Cognitively Interesting Combat
                                              • Cognitively Interesting Combat Zach Collins (Siege)
                                              • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Peter A. Harkins
                                              • Cognitively Interesting Combat Paolo Piselli
                                    • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) cruise
                                    • • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) ceo
                                      • • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) David Kennerly
                                      • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) Paolo Piselli
                                      • • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) cruise
                                • Better Combat Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                              • [DGN] Designed Downtime (was Better Combat) David Kennerly
                              • • [DGN] Designed Downtime (was Better Combat) Ryan Shwayder
                                • [DGN] Designed Downtime (was Better Combat) Ryan Shwayder
                                • [DGN] Designed Downtime (was Better Combat) Michael Hartman
                      • Better Combat Alex Arnon
                • Better Combat David Kennerly
                • • Better Combat John Buehler
                  • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                    • • Better Combat John Buehler
                • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] cruise
                • • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] John Buehler
                  • • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] Matt Mihaly
                    • • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] Otis Viles
                    • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] Ben Hawes
                    • • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] John Buehler
                      • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar [was: Long-Term Rewards] Michael Hartman
                        • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar [was:Long-Term Rewards] Vladimir Cole
                          • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar[was:Long-Term Rewards] Koster, Raph
                            • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar[was:Long-Term Rewards] Koster, Raph
                            • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPGavatar[was:Long-Term Rewards] Michael Sellers
                          • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar Corey Crawford
                          • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar Byron Ellacott
                            • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar Vladimir Cole
                            • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
                          • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar Mark Mensch
      • Better Combat Brendan O'Brien
      • • Better Combat Zach Collins (Siege)
        • Better Combat David Kennerly
        • • Better Combat Brendan O'Brien
          • • Better Combat David Kennerly
            • • Better Combat cruise
              • • Better Combat David Kennerly
              • Better Combat Byron Ellacott
              • • Better Combat Craig Huber
                • • Better Combat Matt Mihaly
                  • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                    • • Better Combat Byron Ellacott
                      • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                  • Better Combat Byron Ellacott
                  • • Better Combat Paul Schwanz
                    • • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                • Better Combat David Kennerly
                • • Better Combat Matt Mihaly
                  • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                • Better Combat Eric Random
                • Better Combat Eric Random
          • Better Combat Corey Cauble
          • • Better Combat David Kennerly
            • • Better Combat Corey Cauble
            • Better Combat Brendan O'Brien
            • • Better Combat (long) Paul Schwanz
              • • Better Combat (long) Douglas Goodall
                • • [DGN] Music (was: Better Combat (long)) Zach Collins (Siege)
                  • Better Combat (long) Koster, Raph
                  • • Better Combat (long) Matthew Dobervich
                    • Better Combat (long) David Kennerly
                    • • Better Combat (long) Koster, Raph
                      • • Better Combat (long) David Kennerly
                    • Creating a Player Narrative Ben Hawes
                    • • Creating a Player Narrative Douglas Goodall
                      • • Creating a Player Narrative Tim Schubert
                      • Creating a Player Narrative Dana V. Baldwin
                      • • Creating a Player Narrative HRose
                        • • integrating information streams into the game (was: Creating a Player Narrative) ceo
                          • • integrating information streams into the game (was:Creating a Player Narrative) Damion Schubert
                          • Creating a Player Narrative Dana V. Baldwin
                      • Creating a Player Narrative John MacQueen
                      • • Creating a Player Narrative HRose
                • Better Combat (long) Matt Monaghan
                • Better Combat (long) David Kennerly
                • • Better Combat (long) Byron Ellacott
                  • • Better Combat (long) J C Lawrence
                    • • Better Combat (long) Freeman, Jeff
                    • Better Combat (long) cruise
                    • Better Combat (long) J C Lawrence
                    • • Better Combat (long) Kwon J. Ekstrom
                    • Better Combat (long) Vincent Archer
                    • • Better Combat (long) Matt Cruikshank
                    • Better Combat (long) Kwon J. Ekstrom
                  • Better Combat (long) Zach Collins (Siege)
                  • • Better Combat (long) David Kennerly
                    • • Better Combat (long) Zach Collins (Siege)
                  • Better Combat (long) Paul Schwanz
                  • • Better Combat (long) David Kennerly
                • Better Combat (long) Ben Hawes
      • Better Combat Byron Ellacott
      • • Better Combat cruise
        • • Better Combat Brendan O'Brien
          • Better Combat Dana V. Baldwin
          • Better Combat Byron Ellacott
  • Level Grind - alternative Sean Kelly
  • Level Grind - alternative Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
  • Level Grind - alternative Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
  • Level Grind - alternative Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
• [mudlist] MMO Communities (was [MUD-Dev] MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Morgan Dodge
• New combat system Cameron Zemek
• MMO Communities Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • MMO Communities Randolf Richardson
  • • MMO Communities Ashley Penney
    • MMO Communities Damion Schubert
    • • MMO Communities Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • MMO Communities Byron Ellacott
  • • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
    • • MMO Communities Byron Ellacott
      • • MMO Communities Dana V. Baldwin
        • • MMO Communities Byron Ellacott
          • • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
            • MMO Communities Zach Collins (Siege)
        • MMO Communities Brendan O'Brien
        • • MMO Communities Matt Mihaly
          • • MMO Communities Brendan O'Brien
            • • MMO Communities Brad McQuaid
              • • MMO Communities Matt Mihaly
                • MMO Communities Brendan O'Brien
              • MMO Communities Matt Mihaly
            • MMO Communities J C Lawrence
            • • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
              • • MMO Communities Brad McQuaid
                • • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
              • MMO Communities Matt Mihaly
              • • MMO Communities Mike Rozak
                • • MMO Communities Matt Mihaly
                • MMO Communities Tom Hunter
                • • MMO Communities zgj22@drexel.edu
                  • • MMO Communities Tom Hunter
                    • • MMO Communities (keywords: commercial influence) Eric Random
              • MMO Communities Brad McQuaid
        • MMO Communities Michael Hartman
        • • MMO Communities Tom "cro" Gordon
          • MMO Communities Paul Schwanz
          • • MMO Communities Michael Hartman
            • • MMO Communities Paul Schwanz
            • MMO Communities Byron Ellacott
      • MMO Communities HRose
      • • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
        • • MMO Communities Michael Sellers
          • • MMO Communities HRose
            • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
            • • MMO Communities HRose
              • • MMO Communities Morgan Dodge
                • MMO Communities Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
                • [DGN] Socialization against the fun Eric Random
      • MMO Communities Koster, Raph
  • MMO Communities Michael Sellers
  • • MMO Communities Yannick Jean
    • MMO Communities Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• What is an MMOG? (was: MMO Communities) ceo