July 2004

• [News] Ultima X: Odyssey cancelled Luca Girardo
• • [News] Ultima X: Odyssey cancelled Steven King
  • [News] Ultima X: Odyssey cancelled Luca Girardo
  • • [News] Ultima X: Odyssey cancelled David Kennerly
    • • [News] Ultima X: Odyssey cancelled Derek Licciardi
• MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Threshold RPG
• • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Par Winzell
  • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Threshold RPG
    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Dana V. Baldwin
      • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Mark Mensch
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Luca Girardo
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Dana V. Baldwin
      • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Michael Hartman
  • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Derek Licciardi
  • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Threshold RPG
    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Adam Burr
      • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
        • • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Scott Macmillan
          • • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Douglas Goodall
            • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Sean Howard
            • • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Amanda Walker
              • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Scott Macmillan
              • • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Sean Howard
                • CoH Michael Hartman
                • • CoH cruise
                  • CoH Scott Macmillan
                  • CoH darksuit
            • CoH Michael Hartman
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Ryan Shwayder
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? cruise
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Oliver Smith
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Oliver Smith
              • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
                • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Byron Ellacott
                  • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Koster, Raph
                    • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Brad McQuaid
                      • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Douglas Goodall
                        • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Dana V. Baldwin
                          • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Douglas Goodall
                            • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Zach Collins (Siege)
                              • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Douglas Goodall
                              • Instancing ceo
                              • • Instancing Douglas Goodall
                                • • Instancing ceo
          • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Oliver Smith
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
              • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
              • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                • • Depth (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Damion Schubert
                  • • Depth (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Sean Howard
              • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Sean Howard
              • • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Ghilardi Filippo
          • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Michael Hartman
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? cruise
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Michael Hartman
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? cruise
    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Amanda Walker
    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
      • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Michael Sellers
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Amanda Walker
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Paul McInnes
    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Andres Ferraro
      • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
      • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Ryan Shwayder
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Amanda Walker
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Mark Mensch
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
              • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Mark Mensch
                • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                  • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Derek Licciardi
                    • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Tom "cro" Gordon
                      • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Erik Bethke
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The skyis falling?) Koster, Raph
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The skyis falling?) Tom "cro" Gordon
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Douglas Goodall
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Tom "cro" Gordon
                      • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky isfalling?) Sean Howard
                      • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Derek Licciardi
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) John MacQueen
                          • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Thesky isfalling?) Freeman, Jeff
                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky isfalling?) Aaron Switzer
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Sean Howard
                          • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Aaron Switzer
                            • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Thesky isfalling?) Sean Howard
                              • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Thesky isfalling?) Aaron Switzer
                                • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                                • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Koster, Raph
                                • • MMO Communities (was MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                                  • • MMO Communities (was [MUD-Dev] MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Otis Viles
                                    • • MMO Communities (was RE:[MUD-Dev] MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                                      • • MMO Communities (was RE:MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Otis Viles
                                    • MMO Communities (was [MUD-Dev]MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Michael Sellers
                                    • • MMO Communities (was RE: [MUD-Dev]MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                                      • MMO Communities (was RE:[MUD-Dev]MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                                      • • MMO Communities (wasRE:[MUD-Dev]MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Matt Mihaly
                                  • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) ceo
                                  • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Paul Schwanz
                                  • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Tom "cro" Gordon
                                    • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Paul Schwanz
                                      • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                                        • • MMO Communities (was [MUD-Dev]MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Matt Mihaly
                                          • • MMO Communities (was RE: [MUD-Dev]MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                                            • • MMO Communities (wasRE: [MUD-Dev]MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Matt Mihaly
                                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) John Arras
                                          • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                                            • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                            • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) John Arras
                                              • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                                • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) cruise
                                                  • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                                  • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) John Arras
                                                  • • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) Douglas Goodall
                                                    • • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) Peter Keeler
                                                      • • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) Otis Viles
                                                      • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) Malcolm W. Tester II
                                                      • • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) Matt Mihaly
                                                      • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) cruise
                                          • MMO Communities (was [MUD-Dev] MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Paul Schwanz
                                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                          • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Zach Collins (Siege)
                                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Paolo Piselli
                                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                                      • forced grouping/coop play Tamzen Cannoy
                                      • • forced grouping/coop play Koster, Raph
                                        • • forced grouping/coop play Sean Kelly
                                  • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Andrew L. Tepper
                                  • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) HRose
                                  • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                    • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) HRose
                                      • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) HRose
                                          • • What is an MMOG? (was: MMO Communities) ceo
                                            • • What is an MMOG? (was: MMO Communities) HRose
                                              • • What is an MMOG? ceo
                                                • • What is an MMOG? HRose
                                                  • • What is an MMOG? Dana V. Baldwin
                                                    • • What is an MMOG? HRose
                                    • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) HRose
                                  • MMO Communities Eric Random
                                    --- "Koster, Raph" <rkoster@soe.sony.com> wrote:
                                    
                                    > We may not like it, but all empirical evidence at the moment seems
                                    > to show that requiring cooperative team play for success causes
                                    > greater retention.
                                    
                                    I think one important distinction is that increased retention does
                                    not necessarily mean increased enjoyment.
                                    
                                    This distinction is one of commercial viability and is a major point
                                    of bifurcation in virtual environment design along non-commercial,
                                    or hobbyist, and commercial lines. I think this is one reason why
                                    commercial MMOG's seem to evolve in one direction, and traditional
                                    hobbyist MUDs becoming commercially viable in another as was pointed
                                    out earlier.
                                    
                                    It is important to note, though, that I'm not labelling commercial
                                    MMOG designers as obsessed with bleeding the player of their
                                    hard-earned dollar. This is not the case. This is ultimately a
                                    business. A business is selling a service; it needs to _make_ (as
                                    opposed to lose) money, and the player wants to be
                                    entertained. Sometimes these goals can be in conflict, but they are
                                    clearly not mutually exclusive. Commercial MMOG's are not exploring
                                    the set of entertaining environments, they are exploring the set of
                                    commercially viable entertaining environments.
                                    
                                    
                                    Also, I am by no means relating that cooperative teamplay, or even
                                    requiring it for success, is somehow less enjoyable than some other
                                    option. I am simply stating that customer retention is a goal in and
                                    of itself for a business entity and sometimes this may not be in the
                                    best interest of the customer.
                                    
                                    That being said, there is a difference between requiring cooperation
                                    and providing a cooperative advantage. Certainly, it can be argued
                                    that the majority of the user base may find cooperative teamplay
                                    more enjoyable than solo play in a shared environment. I would argue
                                    that not providing cooperative teamplay with an advantage in some
                                    way is much like facilitating solo play, as cooperative teamplay has
                                    clear organizational costs that solo play does not. If cooperative
                                    teamplay has no clear advantages over solo play, many players, even
                                    though initially looking for cooperative teamplay, may opt into solo
                                    play simply to avoid paying the organizational costs since it
                                    provides no benefit other than residual enjoyment. The player is
                                    actually making the choice between leveling fast while soloing or
                                    leveling slow while grouping. The player who finds cooperative
                                    teamplay exciting may be forced to do both, just to keep
                                    competitive. This results in a clear conflict. This scenario becomes
                                    mutually exclusive. Either teamplayers are in conflict being forced
                                    to solo for faster level advancement, or solo players are in
                                    conflict being forced to group for faster level advancement. Which
                                    group constitutes the largest base? Clearly, if a game has most
                                    players coming to a shared environment for cooperative teamplay, I
                                    would, therefore, provide the advantage to cooperative
                                    teamplay. This could also have the residual effect of increasing
                                    retention, as a conflict within the larger playerbase has been
                                    resolved. It could also perhaps be the case such that because
                                    retention is increased due to providing an advantage to grouping is
                                    indicative of a particular characteristic of the _general_
                                    playerbase which is that they want to play a game in which other
                                    players will group with them. This would seem reasonable, but, I
                                    should say, entirely explorative, rather than explanative.
                                    
                                    Concerning the aspect of requiring cooperation, rather than
                                    providing a cooperative advantage, such as in crafting, this could
                                    be related, albeit weak, to aspects of a USP, such as a
                                    player-driven economy. Requiring crafters to obtain specific
                                    materials only from other crafters initiates a type of mandatory
                                    economy which bootstraps the USP. Certainly, in a crafter economy,
                                    crafters may obtain raw materials either by purchasing from NPC's or
                                    harvesting it themselves, and then sell their final product to the
                                    consumers. With inter-crafting dependencies, an intra-crafting
                                    marketplace must emerge before a consumer marketplace emerges for
                                    final products. The intra-crafting marketplace is mandatory, as the
                                    consumer marketplace is more emergent, ensuring a player-driven
                                    economy. Though, I think, perhaps, a previous posters argument on
                                    this topic was one of fictional continuity rather than concerning
                                    actual dynamics (eg. droid engineers unable to make power sources
                                    for droids and must interact with artisans for such products).
                                    
                                    Just some thoughts on the matter...
                                    
                                    Eric Random
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky isfalling?) Paul Schwanz
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Sean Howard
                      • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) J C Lawrence
                      • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The skyis falling?) Derek Licciardi
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Theskyis falling?) Jon A. Lambert
                    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? ceo
                    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Tom "cro" Gordon
                      • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Thomas Tomiczek
                        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                      • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Douglas Goodall
          • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Scott Jennings
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Steven King
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Amanda Walker
            • • The business of avatar worlds (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) F. Randall Farmer
              • • The business of avatar worlds (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Paul Schwanz
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? David Kennerly
            • • Words (WAS: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Zach Collins (Siege)
              • • Words (WAS: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) kennerly@finegamedesign.com
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? zgj22@drexel.edu
        • Is space deep? (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) David Kennerly
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Tony Hoyt
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Damion Schubert
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Samantha LeCraft
              • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Samantha LeCraft
                  • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? ceo
                  • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
                  • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Brian 'Psychochild' Green
                    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
                      • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Oliver Smith
                    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Kerry Fraser-Robinson
              • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Damion Schubert
              • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Amanda Walker
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? J C Lawrence
  • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? David Kennerly
  • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Michael Sellers
  • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Luca Girardo
    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? ceo
• Sun Game Server Technology Chat Artur Biesiadowski
• • Quick Hello Mark Mensch
• Virtual/Real Currencies (was: [MUD-Dev][NEWS]GamingOpenMarket) Jon A. Lambert
• CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Alex Chacha
• • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Matt Mihaly
  • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Russ Whiteman
• CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Mike Rozak
• • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Douglas Goodall
  • • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Mike Rozak
    • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Byron Ellacott
      • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Mike Rozak
        • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Byron Ellacott
          • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
          • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Yannick Jean
            • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Otis Viles
            • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Mike Rozak
          • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Erik Bethke
          • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
            • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) dienw
              • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
                • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) J C Lawrence
                  • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
                    • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) J C Lawrence
                      • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
                      • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Erik Bethke
                      • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
                  • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Erik Bethke
                  • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                    • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
              • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Sean Howard
          • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
      • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Michael Hartman
      • • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Erik Bethke
    • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Michael Hartman
  • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Luca Girardo
• CoH and others Alex Chacha
• • CoH and others Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • CoH and others David Eckelberry
  • • CoH and others Vincent Archer
    • COH and others Alex Chacha
    • • COH and others Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • COH and others Alex Chacha
• Revenues Rafael Seabra
• • Revenues Erik Zwerling
  • • Revenues Matt Mihaly
    • • Revenues Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
      • • Revenues Matt Mihaly
• CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Koster, Raph
• • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Damion Schubert
• Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Ghilardi Filippo
• • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Mike Rozak
• [MUD-Dev]: Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Luca Girardo
• Virtual/Real Currencies Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• Indie MMOG's ceo
• • Indie MMOG's Koster, Raph
  • • Indie MMOG's ceo
  • Indie MMOG's Derek Licciardi
  • • Indie MMOG's ceo
    • • Indie MMOG's Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • Indie MMOG's Rob C
      • • Indie MMOG's ceo
        • • Indie MMOG's Rob C
          • • Indie MMOG's ceo
          • Indie MMOG's Rob C
          • • Indie MMOG's ceo
          • Indie MMOG's Michael Sellers
          • Indie MMOG's Michael Sellers
          • • Indie MMOG's ceo
        • Indie MMOG's Matt Mihaly
        • • Indie MMOG's Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
          • • Indie MMOG's Matt Mihaly
          • Indie MMOG's Amanda Walker
          • • Indie MMOG's Jon A. Lambert
            • Indie MMOG's Zach Collins (Siege)
            • • Indie MMOG's Amanda Walker
      • Indie MMOG's Derek Licciardi
      • • Indie MMOG's ceo
        • Indie MMOG's Matt Mihaly
        • Indie MMOG's Mike Rozak
        • • Indie MMOG's Scott Jennings
          • • Indie MMOG's Mike Rozak
          • Indie MMOG's Tiago Carita
    • Indie MMOG's Matt Mihaly
    • • Indie MMOG's Derek Licciardi
      • • Indie MMOG's Matt Mihaly
• Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Mike Rozak
• Security and cheating in MMOs jmbroyer
• [NEWS] Artifact Entertainment going bankrupt? Luca Girardo
• MEDIA: Multiplayer Gaming's Quiet Revolution J C Lawrence
• • DarkGalaxy Tiago Carita
• (no subject) Ghilardi Filippo
• Community? Erik Bethke
• • Community? Scott Jennings
  • • Community? Paul Schwanz
  • Community? Brian Thyer
  • Community? Sean Howard
  • • Community? Zach Collins (Siege)
    • Community? (Level Grind) Brian Thyer
    • • Community? (Level Grind) Sean Howard
      • • Community? (Level Grind) Damion Schubert
        • • Community? (Level Grind) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
          • • Community? (Level Grind) Malcolm W. Tester II
            • Community? (Level Grind) Victor Wachter
        • Community? (Level Grind) Douglas Goodall
        • • Community? (Level Grind) Matt Mihaly
          • • Community? (Level Grind) Ghilardi Filippo
            • Community? (Level Grind) HRose
            • Community? (Level Grind) Douglas Goodall
            • • Community? (Level Grind) Ghilardi Filippo
              • • Community? (Level Grind) Samurai Cat!
• Scalabity in MMOG's Rafael Seabra
• Level Grind - alternative Brendan O'Brien
• • Level Grind - alternative darksuit
  • • Level Grind - alternative Brendan O'Brien
  • Level Grind - alternative cruise
  • • Level Grind - alternative Brendan O'Brien
    • • Level Grind - alternative cruise
      • • Level Grind - alternative Brendan O'Brien
  • Level Grind - alternative Corey Cauble
  • • Level Grind - alternative Sean Howard
    • • Level Grind - alternative Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • Better Combat cruise
    • • Better Combat Ghilardi Filippo
      • • Better Combat cruise
      • Better Combat John Buehler
      • • Better Combat David Kennerly
        • • Better Combat John Buehler
          • • Better Combat David Kennerly
            • • Better Combat John Buehler
              • • Better Combat Amanda Walker
                • • Better Combat John Buehler
                  • Better Combat cruise
                  • • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                    • • Better Combat Yannick Jean
                      • • Better Combat Koster, Raph
                        • Better Combat HRose
                        • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                        • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] cruise
                          • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] Michael Hartman
                            • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] cruise
                              • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] Koster, Raph
                                • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] cruise
                                  • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] HRose
                                • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] Michael Hartman
                                • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] cruise
                          • Better Combat Paul Schwanz
                          • • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                            • • Better Combat Darkwolf
                              • Better Combat Dana V. Baldwin
                              • Better Combat Matt Mihaly
                              • Better Combat Koster, Raph
                              • • Better Combat Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                                • • Better Combat HRose
                                • Better Combat Steven King
                                • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                                  • • Better Combat Paolo Piselli
                                    • • Better Combat Zach Collins (Siege)
                                    • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                                    • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                                      • Better Combat David Kennerly
                                      • Better Combat John Buehler
                                • Better Combat HRose
                                • • Better Combat Koster, Raph
                                  • • Better Combat HRose
                              • Better Combat (keywords: downtime, socialization, UI) Eric Random
                              • Better Combat Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
                            • Better Combat Amanda Walker
                          • Better Combat Yannick Jean
                          • Better Combat Yannick Jean
                        • Better Combat Tom "cro" Gordon
                        • Better Combat Alex Arnon
                      • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                      • • Better Combat Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                        • • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                          • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                        • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                        • • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                          • • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                            • • Better Combat Dana V. Baldwin
                              • • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                                • • Better Combat Dana V. Baldwin
                                  • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) Paolo Piselli
                                  • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Derek Larson
                                    • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Paolo Piselli
                                      • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Derek Larson
                                        • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Paolo Piselli
                                          • • Cognitively Interesting Combat cruise
                                            • • Cognitively Interesting Combat ceo
                                              • Cognitively Interesting Combat Byron Ellacott
                                              • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Ben Hawes
                                                • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Ben Hawes
                                                • Cognitively Interesting Combat KaVir@t-online.de (Richard Woolcock)
                                              • Cognitively Interesting Combat Mike Rozak
                                              • Cognitively Interesting Combat
                                              • Cognitively Interesting Combat Zach Collins (Siege)
                                              • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Peter A. Harkins
                                              • Cognitively Interesting Combat Paolo Piselli
                                    • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) cruise
                                    • • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) ceo
                                      • • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) David Kennerly
                                      • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) Paolo Piselli
                                      • • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) cruise
                                • Better Combat Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                              • [DGN] Designed Downtime (was Better Combat) David Kennerly
                              • • [DGN] Designed Downtime (was Better Combat) Ryan Shwayder
                                • [DGN] Designed Downtime (was Better Combat) Ryan Shwayder
                                • [DGN] Designed Downtime (was Better Combat) Michael Hartman
                      • Better Combat Alex Arnon
                • Better Combat David Kennerly
                • • Better Combat John Buehler
                  • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                    • • Better Combat John Buehler
                • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] cruise
                • • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] John Buehler
                  • • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] Matt Mihaly
                    • • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] Otis Viles
                    • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] Ben Hawes
                    • • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] John Buehler
                      • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar [was: Long-Term Rewards] Michael Hartman
                        • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar [was:Long-Term Rewards] Vladimir Cole
                          • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar[was:Long-Term Rewards] Koster, Raph
                            • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar[was:Long-Term Rewards] Koster, Raph
                            • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPGavatar[was:Long-Term Rewards] Michael Sellers
                          • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar Corey Crawford
                          • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar Byron Ellacott
                            • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar Vladimir Cole
                            • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
                          • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar Mark Mensch
      • Better Combat Brendan O'Brien
      • • Better Combat Zach Collins (Siege)
        • Better Combat David Kennerly
        • • Better Combat Brendan O'Brien
          • • Better Combat David Kennerly
            • • Better Combat cruise
              • • Better Combat David Kennerly
              • Better Combat Byron Ellacott
              • • Better Combat Craig Huber
                • • Better Combat Matt Mihaly
                  • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                    • • Better Combat Byron Ellacott
                      • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                  • Better Combat Byron Ellacott
                  • • Better Combat Paul Schwanz
                    • • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                • Better Combat David Kennerly
                • • Better Combat Matt Mihaly
                  • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                • Better Combat Eric Random
                • Better Combat Eric Random
          • Better Combat Corey Cauble
          • • Better Combat David Kennerly
            • • Better Combat Corey Cauble
            • Better Combat Brendan O'Brien
            • • Better Combat (long) Paul Schwanz
              • • Better Combat (long) Douglas Goodall
                • • [DGN] Music (was: Better Combat (long)) Zach Collins (Siege)
                  • Better Combat (long) Koster, Raph
                  • • Better Combat (long) Matthew Dobervich
                    • Better Combat (long) David Kennerly
                    • • Better Combat (long) Koster, Raph
                      • • Better Combat (long) David Kennerly
                    • Creating a Player Narrative Ben Hawes
                    • • Creating a Player Narrative Douglas Goodall
                      • • Creating a Player Narrative Tim Schubert
                      • Creating a Player Narrative Dana V. Baldwin
                      • • Creating a Player Narrative HRose
                        • • integrating information streams into the game (was: Creating a Player Narrative) ceo
                          • • integrating information streams into the game (was:Creating a Player Narrative) Damion Schubert
                          • Creating a Player Narrative Dana V. Baldwin
                      • Creating a Player Narrative John MacQueen
                      • • Creating a Player Narrative HRose
                • Better Combat (long) Matt Monaghan
                • Better Combat (long) David Kennerly
                • • Better Combat (long) Byron Ellacott
                  • • Better Combat (long) J C Lawrence
                    • • Better Combat (long) Freeman, Jeff
                    • Better Combat (long) cruise
                    • Better Combat (long) J C Lawrence
                    • • Better Combat (long) Kwon J. Ekstrom
                    • Better Combat (long) Vincent Archer
                    • • Better Combat (long) Matt Cruikshank
                    • Better Combat (long) Kwon J. Ekstrom
                  • Better Combat (long) Zach Collins (Siege)
                  • • Better Combat (long) David Kennerly
                    • • Better Combat (long) Zach Collins (Siege)
                  • Better Combat (long) Paul Schwanz
                  • • Better Combat (long) David Kennerly
                • Better Combat (long) Ben Hawes
      • Better Combat Byron Ellacott
      • • Better Combat cruise
        • • Better Combat Brendan O'Brien
          • Better Combat Dana V. Baldwin
          • Better Combat Byron Ellacott
  • Level Grind - alternative Sean Kelly
  • Level Grind - alternative Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
  • Level Grind - alternative Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
  • Level Grind - alternative Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
• [mudlist] MMO Communities (was [MUD-Dev] MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Morgan Dodge
• New combat system Cameron Zemek
• MMO Communities Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • MMO Communities Randolf Richardson
  • • MMO Communities Ashley Penney
    • MMO Communities Damion Schubert
    • • MMO Communities Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • MMO Communities Byron Ellacott
  • • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
    • • MMO Communities Byron Ellacott
      • • MMO Communities Dana V. Baldwin
        • • MMO Communities Byron Ellacott
          • • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
            • MMO Communities Zach Collins (Siege)
        • MMO Communities Brendan O'Brien
        • • MMO Communities Matt Mihaly
          • • MMO Communities Brendan O'Brien
            • • MMO Communities Brad McQuaid
              • • MMO Communities Matt Mihaly
                • MMO Communities Brendan O'Brien
              • MMO Communities Matt Mihaly
            • MMO Communities J C Lawrence
            • • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
              • • MMO Communities Brad McQuaid
                • • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
              • MMO Communities Matt Mihaly
              • • MMO Communities Mike Rozak
                • • MMO Communities Matt Mihaly
                • MMO Communities Tom Hunter
                • • MMO Communities zgj22@drexel.edu
                  • • MMO Communities Tom Hunter
                    • • MMO Communities (keywords: commercial influence) Eric Random
              • MMO Communities Brad McQuaid
        • MMO Communities Michael Hartman
        • • MMO Communities Tom "cro" Gordon
          • MMO Communities Paul Schwanz
          • • MMO Communities Michael Hartman
            • • MMO Communities Paul Schwanz
            • MMO Communities Byron Ellacott
      • MMO Communities HRose
      • • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
        • • MMO Communities Michael Sellers
          • • MMO Communities HRose
            • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
            • • MMO Communities HRose
              • • MMO Communities Morgan Dodge
                • MMO Communities Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
                • [DGN] Socialization against the fun Eric Random
      • MMO Communities Koster, Raph
  • MMO Communities Michael Sellers
  • • MMO Communities Yannick Jean
    • MMO Communities Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• What is an MMOG? (was: MMO Communities) ceo