July 2004

• [News] Ultima X: Odyssey cancelled Luca Girardo
• • [News] Ultima X: Odyssey cancelled Steven King
  • [News] Ultima X: Odyssey cancelled Luca Girardo
  • • [News] Ultima X: Odyssey cancelled David Kennerly
    • • [News] Ultima X: Odyssey cancelled Derek Licciardi
• MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Threshold RPG
• • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Par Winzell
  • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Threshold RPG
    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Dana V. Baldwin
      • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Mark Mensch
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Luca Girardo
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Dana V. Baldwin
      • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Michael Hartman
  • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Derek Licciardi
  • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Threshold RPG
    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Adam Burr
      • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
        • • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Scott Macmillan
          • • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Douglas Goodall
            • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Sean Howard
            • • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Amanda Walker
              • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Scott Macmillan
              • • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Sean Howard
                • CoH Michael Hartman
                • • CoH cruise
                  • CoH Scott Macmillan
                  • CoH darksuit
            • CoH Michael Hartman
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Ryan Shwayder
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? cruise
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Oliver Smith
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Oliver Smith
              • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
                  From: Oliver Smith
                  > Raph Koster:
                  >> From Oliver Smith:
                  
                  >>> I doubt CoH will be a lasting success, but I hope it will be a
                  >>> basis for a move away from the McQuaid/Koster concept of "the
                  >>> customer wants to be beaten with a stick, needs to draw blood
                  >>> before they can
                  
                  >>> have fun".
                  
                  >> Er, I dare you to point out one single place where I have ever
                  >> said that or anything even close to it.
                  
                  > Sorry, it wasn't intended as a literal quotation, or intended as
                  > attribution to yourself.
                  
                  Heh, the phrasing certainly makes it sound that way.
                  
                  > More an expression of the general tendency of leading developers
                  > towards greater control over and constraint of the player's
                  > experience that I find somewhat akin to buying the Hitchhiker's
                  > Guide DVD and finding it will only play me one episode a
                  > week. (And I thought putting McQuaid/Koster together would be
                  > indicative of my being vague :)
                  
                  Given that Brad and I don't really approach these issues in quite
                  the same way, I did find it an interesting pairing given the
                  context.
                  
                  I do find it curious that you are ascribing to me a position of
                  "greater control and constraint of the player experience"
                  though. Surely a brief glance over what I have done and what I have
                  advocated indicates a somewhat different attitude towards the player
                  experience? I'm usually tarred with the opposite brush!
                  
                  > I'm certainly not praising the single-thing-to-do aspect of
                  > CoH. Rather I feel its merit is its approach to content delivery:
                  > pro-actively delivering the player a consistent choice of content
                  > through the contacts/missions system.
                  
                  Isn't that "greater control and constraint of the player
                  experience"? This is why I stated that in many ways it strikes me
                  as a the least mudlike of all the MMOs.
                  
                  When we talk about shooters, we often regard the most constrained of
                  them as "shooters on rails." But when you look at it, most single
                  player games are on fairly tight rails. There's an order of events
                  that designers prescribe, and there's a very limited problem set for
                  players to solve. Generally, players cannot choose to tackle things
                  in a different order, bring different tools to the table, interact
                  significantly with or modify the environment, and so on. CRPG
                  cognoscenti speak fondly of the "non-linear RPG" where there are
                  some limited tools to do so, and the "Looking Glass philosophy" of
                  "string of pearls" narratives and so on is aimed at providing
                  greater illusion of choice while still dragging the player along a
                  fixed narrative.
                  
                  >>From MUD1 onwards, players in muds have been able to choose the
                  order of their experiences, which challenges to take on, whether to
                  jump ahead to a challenge they should not be able to solve, where to
                  go and who to be and when to do what. It's unsurprising that
                  therefore most narrative experiences within muds have always to a
                  degree felt grafted on, in that they were essentially single-player
                  experiences that players could experience sequentially, puzzles and
                  narratives to walk along. Back on Legend, we used to say that each
                  area should be like making Zork, in terms of puzzles and quests.
                  
                  The challenge has always been that these were self-contained
                  experiences that at best were designed to cycle between a few end
                  states--and even that was rare; more typically, they did not affect
                  the larger game or setting at all. They were also subject to
                  interference from third parties. Instancing is merely two birds with
                  one stone--it first segments off the experience so that greater
                  narrative power can be brought to bear and players cannot be
                  interfered with; and it secondly segments off the experience so that
                  it is impossible for it to have any impact whatsoever on the larger
                  world.
                  
                  Now, you cite the contacts/missions system. This is not a new
                  innovation, of course--Anarchy Online was perhaps the first MMO to
                  really make heavy use of it, but it is bcoming a standard feature.
                  Having a selection of single- or limited-multiplayer experiences to
                  choose from, however, is still a choice between one directed,
                  constrained, controlled experience, and another.
                  
                  > MMO subscribers have become more fickle in the last year or so, so
                  > CoH's subscriptions and retentions indicate it is providing
                  > something that some portion of the player-base see as missing, and
                  > its my speculation that it is the regular diet of activity.
                  
                  Not so much a regular diet of activity (CoH has a smaller range of
                  activities and content than many of its competitors--I think any MMO
                  on the market can provide a good regular diet) as ease of access to
                  said activity and immediately fun activity. Most of the competition
                  takes too long to get you to the activity, and then the actual
                  engaging in it isn't quite as enjoyable.
                  
                  Less work, more enjoyable, smaller menu, less variation. The classic
                  recipe of "do one thing, and do it well."
                  
                  > There are countless things to do in EQ, DAoC, SWG, etc, but it
                  > isn't served up to you; more often than not it's a good google or
                  > two away. And then you have to compete with 50 other parties who
                  > got the same google result for an item that, if only you'd look,
                  > has a far better substitute a mere 3 zones away!
                  
                  The question is whether the greater effort can lead to a richer,
                  more varied, or more rewarding experience. I think all the evidence
                  points to "yes," but it doesn't mean that existing games have
                  necessarily always executed on that promise.
                  
                  And of course, there's the risk that undertaking something too
                  ambitious may result in across-the-board underdelivery.
                  
                  -Raph
                • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Byron Ellacott
                  • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Koster, Raph
                    • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Brad McQuaid
                      • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Douglas Goodall
                        • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Dana V. Baldwin
                          • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Douglas Goodall
                            • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Zach Collins (Siege)
                              • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Douglas Goodall
                              • Instancing ceo
                              • • Instancing Douglas Goodall
                                • • Instancing ceo
          • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Oliver Smith
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
              • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
              • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                • • Depth (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Damion Schubert
                  • • Depth (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Sean Howard
              • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Sean Howard
              • • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Ghilardi Filippo
          • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Michael Hartman
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? cruise
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Michael Hartman
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? cruise
    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Amanda Walker
    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
      • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Michael Sellers
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Amanda Walker
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Paul McInnes
    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Andres Ferraro
      • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
      • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Ryan Shwayder
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Amanda Walker
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Mark Mensch
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
              • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Mark Mensch
                • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                  • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Derek Licciardi
                    • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Tom "cro" Gordon
                      • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Erik Bethke
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The skyis falling?) Koster, Raph
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The skyis falling?) Tom "cro" Gordon
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Douglas Goodall
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Tom "cro" Gordon
                      • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky isfalling?) Sean Howard
                      • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Derek Licciardi
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) John MacQueen
                          • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Thesky isfalling?) Freeman, Jeff
                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky isfalling?) Aaron Switzer
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Sean Howard
                          • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Aaron Switzer
                            • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Thesky isfalling?) Sean Howard
                              • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Thesky isfalling?) Aaron Switzer
                                • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                                • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Koster, Raph
                                • • MMO Communities (was MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                                  • • MMO Communities (was [MUD-Dev] MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Otis Viles
                                    • • MMO Communities (was RE:[MUD-Dev] MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                                      • • MMO Communities (was RE:MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Otis Viles
                                    • MMO Communities (was [MUD-Dev]MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Michael Sellers
                                    • • MMO Communities (was RE: [MUD-Dev]MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                                      • MMO Communities (was RE:[MUD-Dev]MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                                      • • MMO Communities (wasRE:[MUD-Dev]MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Matt Mihaly
                                  • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) ceo
                                  • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Paul Schwanz
                                  • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Tom "cro" Gordon
                                    • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Paul Schwanz
                                      • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                                        • • MMO Communities (was [MUD-Dev]MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Matt Mihaly
                                          • • MMO Communities (was RE: [MUD-Dev]MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                                            • • MMO Communities (wasRE: [MUD-Dev]MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Matt Mihaly
                                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) John Arras
                                          • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                                            • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                            • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) John Arras
                                              • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                                • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) cruise
                                                  • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                                  • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) John Arras
                                                  • • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) Douglas Goodall
                                                    • • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) Peter Keeler
                                                      • • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) Otis Viles
                                                      • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) Malcolm W. Tester II
                                                      • • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) Matt Mihaly
                                                      • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) cruise
                                          • MMO Communities (was [MUD-Dev] MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Paul Schwanz
                                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                          • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Zach Collins (Siege)
                                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Paolo Piselli
                                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                                      • forced grouping/coop play Tamzen Cannoy
                                      • • forced grouping/coop play Koster, Raph
                                        • • forced grouping/coop play Sean Kelly
                                  • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Andrew L. Tepper
                                  • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) HRose
                                  • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                    • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) HRose
                                      • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) HRose
                                          • • What is an MMOG? (was: MMO Communities) ceo
                                            • • What is an MMOG? (was: MMO Communities) HRose
                                              • • What is an MMOG? ceo
                                                • • What is an MMOG? HRose
                                                  • • What is an MMOG? Dana V. Baldwin
                                                    • • What is an MMOG? HRose
                                    • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) HRose
                                  • MMO Communities Eric Random
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky isfalling?) Paul Schwanz
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Sean Howard
                      • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) J C Lawrence
                      • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The skyis falling?) Derek Licciardi
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Theskyis falling?) Jon A. Lambert
                    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? ceo
                    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Tom "cro" Gordon
                      • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Thomas Tomiczek
                        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                      • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Douglas Goodall
          • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Scott Jennings
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Steven King
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Amanda Walker
            • • The business of avatar worlds (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) F. Randall Farmer
              • • The business of avatar worlds (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Paul Schwanz
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? David Kennerly
            • • Words (WAS: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Zach Collins (Siege)
              • • Words (WAS: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) kennerly@finegamedesign.com
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? zgj22@drexel.edu
        • Is space deep? (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) David Kennerly
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Tony Hoyt
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Damion Schubert
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Samantha LeCraft
              • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Samantha LeCraft
                  • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? ceo
                  • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
                  • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Brian 'Psychochild' Green
                    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
                      • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Oliver Smith
                    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Kerry Fraser-Robinson
              • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Damion Schubert
              • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Amanda Walker
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? J C Lawrence
  • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? David Kennerly
  • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Michael Sellers
  • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Luca Girardo
    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? ceo
• Sun Game Server Technology Chat Artur Biesiadowski
• • Quick Hello Mark Mensch
• Virtual/Real Currencies (was: [MUD-Dev][NEWS]GamingOpenMarket) Jon A. Lambert
• CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Alex Chacha
• • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Matt Mihaly
  • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Russ Whiteman
• CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Mike Rozak
• • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Douglas Goodall
  • • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Mike Rozak
    • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Byron Ellacott
      • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Mike Rozak
        • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Byron Ellacott
          • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
          • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Yannick Jean
            • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Otis Viles
            • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Mike Rozak
          • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Erik Bethke
          • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
            • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) dienw
              • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
                • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) J C Lawrence
                  • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
                    • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) J C Lawrence
                      • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
                      • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Erik Bethke
                      • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
                  • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Erik Bethke
                  • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                    • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
              • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Sean Howard
          • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
      • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Michael Hartman
      • • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Erik Bethke
    • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Michael Hartman
  • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Luca Girardo
• CoH and others Alex Chacha
• • CoH and others Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • CoH and others David Eckelberry
  • • CoH and others Vincent Archer
    • COH and others Alex Chacha
    • • COH and others Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • COH and others Alex Chacha
• Revenues Rafael Seabra
• • Revenues Erik Zwerling
  • • Revenues Matt Mihaly
    • • Revenues Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
      • • Revenues Matt Mihaly
• CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Koster, Raph
• • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Damion Schubert
• Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Ghilardi Filippo
• • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Mike Rozak
• [MUD-Dev]: Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Luca Girardo
• Virtual/Real Currencies Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• Indie MMOG's ceo
• • Indie MMOG's Koster, Raph
  • • Indie MMOG's ceo
  • Indie MMOG's Derek Licciardi
  • • Indie MMOG's ceo
    • • Indie MMOG's Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • Indie MMOG's Rob C
      • • Indie MMOG's ceo
        • • Indie MMOG's Rob C
          • • Indie MMOG's ceo
          • Indie MMOG's Rob C
          • • Indie MMOG's ceo
          • Indie MMOG's Michael Sellers
          • Indie MMOG's Michael Sellers
          • • Indie MMOG's ceo
        • Indie MMOG's Matt Mihaly
        • • Indie MMOG's Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
          • • Indie MMOG's Matt Mihaly
          • Indie MMOG's Amanda Walker
          • • Indie MMOG's Jon A. Lambert
            • Indie MMOG's Zach Collins (Siege)
            • • Indie MMOG's Amanda Walker
      • Indie MMOG's Derek Licciardi
      • • Indie MMOG's ceo
        • Indie MMOG's Matt Mihaly
        • Indie MMOG's Mike Rozak
        • • Indie MMOG's Scott Jennings
          • • Indie MMOG's Mike Rozak
          • Indie MMOG's Tiago Carita
    • Indie MMOG's Matt Mihaly
    • • Indie MMOG's Derek Licciardi
      • • Indie MMOG's Matt Mihaly
• Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Mike Rozak
• Security and cheating in MMOs jmbroyer
• [NEWS] Artifact Entertainment going bankrupt? Luca Girardo
• MEDIA: Multiplayer Gaming's Quiet Revolution J C Lawrence
• • DarkGalaxy Tiago Carita
• (no subject) Ghilardi Filippo
• Community? Erik Bethke
• • Community? Scott Jennings
  • • Community? Paul Schwanz
  • Community? Brian Thyer
  • Community? Sean Howard
  • • Community? Zach Collins (Siege)
    • Community? (Level Grind) Brian Thyer
    • • Community? (Level Grind) Sean Howard
      • • Community? (Level Grind) Damion Schubert
        • • Community? (Level Grind) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
          • • Community? (Level Grind) Malcolm W. Tester II
            • Community? (Level Grind) Victor Wachter
        • Community? (Level Grind) Douglas Goodall
        • • Community? (Level Grind) Matt Mihaly
          • • Community? (Level Grind) Ghilardi Filippo
            • Community? (Level Grind) HRose
            • Community? (Level Grind) Douglas Goodall
            • • Community? (Level Grind) Ghilardi Filippo
              • • Community? (Level Grind) Samurai Cat!
• Scalabity in MMOG's Rafael Seabra
• Level Grind - alternative Brendan O'Brien
• • Level Grind - alternative darksuit
  • • Level Grind - alternative Brendan O'Brien
  • Level Grind - alternative cruise
  • • Level Grind - alternative Brendan O'Brien
    • • Level Grind - alternative cruise
      • • Level Grind - alternative Brendan O'Brien
  • Level Grind - alternative Corey Cauble
  • • Level Grind - alternative Sean Howard
    • • Level Grind - alternative Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • Better Combat cruise
    • • Better Combat Ghilardi Filippo
      • • Better Combat cruise
      • Better Combat John Buehler
      • • Better Combat David Kennerly
        • • Better Combat John Buehler
          • • Better Combat David Kennerly
            • • Better Combat John Buehler
              • • Better Combat Amanda Walker
                • • Better Combat John Buehler
                  • Better Combat cruise
                  • • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                    • • Better Combat Yannick Jean
                      • • Better Combat Koster, Raph
                        • Better Combat HRose
                        • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                        • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] cruise
                          • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] Michael Hartman
                            • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] cruise
                              • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] Koster, Raph
                                • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] cruise
                                  • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] HRose
                                • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] Michael Hartman
                                • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] cruise
                          • Better Combat Paul Schwanz
                          • • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                            • • Better Combat Darkwolf
                              • Better Combat Dana V. Baldwin
                              • Better Combat Matt Mihaly
                              • Better Combat Koster, Raph
                              • • Better Combat Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                                • • Better Combat HRose
                                • Better Combat Steven King
                                • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                                  • • Better Combat Paolo Piselli
                                    • • Better Combat Zach Collins (Siege)
                                    • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                                    • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                                      • Better Combat David Kennerly
                                      • Better Combat John Buehler
                                • Better Combat HRose
                                • • Better Combat Koster, Raph
                                  • • Better Combat HRose
                              • Better Combat (keywords: downtime, socialization, UI) Eric Random
                              • Better Combat Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
                            • Better Combat Amanda Walker
                          • Better Combat Yannick Jean
                          • Better Combat Yannick Jean
                        • Better Combat Tom "cro" Gordon
                        • Better Combat Alex Arnon
                      • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                      • • Better Combat Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                        • • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                          • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                        • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                        • • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                          • • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                            • • Better Combat Dana V. Baldwin
                              • • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                                • • Better Combat Dana V. Baldwin
                                  • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) Paolo Piselli
                                  • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Derek Larson
                                    • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Paolo Piselli
                                      • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Derek Larson
                                        • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Paolo Piselli
                                          • • Cognitively Interesting Combat cruise
                                            • • Cognitively Interesting Combat ceo
                                              • Cognitively Interesting Combat Byron Ellacott
                                              • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Ben Hawes
                                                • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Ben Hawes
                                                • Cognitively Interesting Combat KaVir@t-online.de (Richard Woolcock)
                                              • Cognitively Interesting Combat Mike Rozak
                                              • Cognitively Interesting Combat
                                              • Cognitively Interesting Combat Zach Collins (Siege)
                                              • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Peter A. Harkins
                                              • Cognitively Interesting Combat Paolo Piselli
                                    • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) cruise
                                    • • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) ceo
                                      • • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) David Kennerly
                                      • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) Paolo Piselli
                                      • • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) cruise
                                • Better Combat Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                              • [DGN] Designed Downtime (was Better Combat) David Kennerly
                              • • [DGN] Designed Downtime (was Better Combat) Ryan Shwayder
                                • [DGN] Designed Downtime (was Better Combat) Ryan Shwayder
                                • [DGN] Designed Downtime (was Better Combat) Michael Hartman
                      • Better Combat Alex Arnon
                • Better Combat David Kennerly
                • • Better Combat John Buehler
                  • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                    • • Better Combat John Buehler
                • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] cruise
                • • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] John Buehler
                  • • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] Matt Mihaly
                    • • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] Otis Viles
                    • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] Ben Hawes
                    • • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] John Buehler
                      • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar [was: Long-Term Rewards] Michael Hartman
                        • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar [was:Long-Term Rewards] Vladimir Cole
                          • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar[was:Long-Term Rewards] Koster, Raph
                            • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar[was:Long-Term Rewards] Koster, Raph
                            • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPGavatar[was:Long-Term Rewards] Michael Sellers
                          • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar Corey Crawford
                          • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar Byron Ellacott
                            • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar Vladimir Cole
                            • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
                          • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar Mark Mensch
      • Better Combat Brendan O'Brien
      • • Better Combat Zach Collins (Siege)
        • Better Combat David Kennerly
        • • Better Combat Brendan O'Brien
          • • Better Combat David Kennerly
            • • Better Combat cruise
              • • Better Combat David Kennerly
              • Better Combat Byron Ellacott
              • • Better Combat Craig Huber
                • • Better Combat Matt Mihaly
                  • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                    • • Better Combat Byron Ellacott
                      • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                  • Better Combat Byron Ellacott
                  • • Better Combat Paul Schwanz
                    • • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                • Better Combat David Kennerly
                • • Better Combat Matt Mihaly
                  • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                • Better Combat Eric Random
                • Better Combat Eric Random
          • Better Combat Corey Cauble
          • • Better Combat David Kennerly
            • • Better Combat Corey Cauble
            • Better Combat Brendan O'Brien
            • • Better Combat (long) Paul Schwanz
              • • Better Combat (long) Douglas Goodall
                • • [DGN] Music (was: Better Combat (long)) Zach Collins (Siege)
                  • Better Combat (long) Koster, Raph
                  • • Better Combat (long) Matthew Dobervich
                    • Better Combat (long) David Kennerly
                    • • Better Combat (long) Koster, Raph
                      • • Better Combat (long) David Kennerly
                    • Creating a Player Narrative Ben Hawes
                    • • Creating a Player Narrative Douglas Goodall
                      • • Creating a Player Narrative Tim Schubert
                      • Creating a Player Narrative Dana V. Baldwin
                      • • Creating a Player Narrative HRose
                        • • integrating information streams into the game (was: Creating a Player Narrative) ceo
                          • • integrating information streams into the game (was:Creating a Player Narrative) Damion Schubert
                          • Creating a Player Narrative Dana V. Baldwin
                      • Creating a Player Narrative John MacQueen
                      • • Creating a Player Narrative HRose
                • Better Combat (long) Matt Monaghan
                • Better Combat (long) David Kennerly
                • • Better Combat (long) Byron Ellacott
                  • • Better Combat (long) J C Lawrence
                    • • Better Combat (long) Freeman, Jeff
                    • Better Combat (long) cruise
                    • Better Combat (long) J C Lawrence
                    • • Better Combat (long) Kwon J. Ekstrom
                    • Better Combat (long) Vincent Archer
                    • • Better Combat (long) Matt Cruikshank
                    • Better Combat (long) Kwon J. Ekstrom
                  • Better Combat (long) Zach Collins (Siege)
                  • • Better Combat (long) David Kennerly
                    • • Better Combat (long) Zach Collins (Siege)
                  • Better Combat (long) Paul Schwanz
                  • • Better Combat (long) David Kennerly
                • Better Combat (long) Ben Hawes
      • Better Combat Byron Ellacott
      • • Better Combat cruise
        • • Better Combat Brendan O'Brien
          • Better Combat Dana V. Baldwin
          • Better Combat Byron Ellacott
  • Level Grind - alternative Sean Kelly
  • Level Grind - alternative Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
  • Level Grind - alternative Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
  • Level Grind - alternative Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
• [mudlist] MMO Communities (was [MUD-Dev] MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Morgan Dodge
• New combat system Cameron Zemek
• MMO Communities Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • MMO Communities Randolf Richardson
  • • MMO Communities Ashley Penney
    • MMO Communities Damion Schubert
    • • MMO Communities Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • MMO Communities Byron Ellacott
  • • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
    • • MMO Communities Byron Ellacott
      • • MMO Communities Dana V. Baldwin
        • • MMO Communities Byron Ellacott
          • • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
            • MMO Communities Zach Collins (Siege)
        • MMO Communities Brendan O'Brien
        • • MMO Communities Matt Mihaly
          • • MMO Communities Brendan O'Brien
            • • MMO Communities Brad McQuaid
              • • MMO Communities Matt Mihaly
                • MMO Communities Brendan O'Brien
              • MMO Communities Matt Mihaly
            • MMO Communities J C Lawrence
            • • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
              • • MMO Communities Brad McQuaid
                • • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
              • MMO Communities Matt Mihaly
              • • MMO Communities Mike Rozak
                • • MMO Communities Matt Mihaly
                • MMO Communities Tom Hunter
                • • MMO Communities zgj22@drexel.edu
                  • • MMO Communities Tom Hunter
                    • • MMO Communities (keywords: commercial influence) Eric Random
              • MMO Communities Brad McQuaid
        • MMO Communities Michael Hartman
        • • MMO Communities Tom "cro" Gordon
          • MMO Communities Paul Schwanz
          • • MMO Communities Michael Hartman
            • • MMO Communities Paul Schwanz
            • MMO Communities Byron Ellacott
      • MMO Communities HRose
      • • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
        • • MMO Communities Michael Sellers
          • • MMO Communities HRose
            • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
            • • MMO Communities HRose
              • • MMO Communities Morgan Dodge
                • MMO Communities Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
                • [DGN] Socialization against the fun Eric Random
      • MMO Communities Koster, Raph
  • MMO Communities Michael Sellers
  • • MMO Communities Yannick Jean
    • MMO Communities Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• What is an MMOG? (was: MMO Communities) ceo