July 2004

• [News] Ultima X: Odyssey cancelled Luca Girardo
• • [News] Ultima X: Odyssey cancelled Steven King
  • [News] Ultima X: Odyssey cancelled Luca Girardo
  • • [News] Ultima X: Odyssey cancelled David Kennerly
    • • [News] Ultima X: Odyssey cancelled Derek Licciardi
• MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Threshold RPG
• • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Par Winzell
    Threshold RPG wrote:
    
    > The discussion on TerraNova about UOX's cancellation prompted
    > this, but I'm interested to hear the opinions of the folks here on
    > whether or not the recent series of MMORPG cancellations is really
    > anything to worry about.
    > ----------
    > Electronic Arts is teaching the rest of us in the MMORPG
    > marketplace a lot of good lessons. It is so nice of them to spend
    > tens of millions of their dollars to fund this research.
    
    > They have shown us all how incredibly important PATIENCE and FOCUS
    > are in the development of an MMORPG.
    
    Have they? They've shown us something, but whether it's PATIENCE and
    FOCUS or something entirely different, I'm not so sure.
    
    > Their lack of patience is what is causing them to flounder about
    > making tons of different games, not giving them the time they need
    > to develop (both pre and post release), and expecting them to
    > crush Everquest in their first year. The games they have released
    > clearly show a lack of development time and a lack of depth in
    > game design. Earth & Beyond was the shell of an excellent game
    > with no substance. The Sims Online did not supply the one thing it
    > was supposed to be best at: community. Motor City
    > Online... well... *chuckle*. Every time they have come close to
    > producing a legitimate sequel to Ultima Online, they have grown
    > impatient and decided to just return their efforts to the existing
    > successful game (UO).
    
    I spent a ridiculous amount of time playing E&B. What I experienced
    there conflicts with the assumptions in the paragraph above, and so
    I must disagree with the conclusions. I'd try to refute the logic,
    but there doesn't seem to be any. ;)
    
    So... These games "clearly" show a lack of development time? If E&B
    had been cooking for another pre-launch year, behind close doors, I
    doubt it'd have fared better. Is there any information to suggest
    the opposite?
    
    I don't think lack of content did E&B in. Yes, it was problematic
    that there was such a steady stream of high production value content
    for a new player in his first month or so of play -- it should be
    obvious to everyone on this list (as it should've been obvious to
    the E&B crew) that players will consume whatever content they're
    offered at a rate that nobody can satisfy, and when it runs out,
    they will be spoiled for more. Long-term joy has to come from
    elsewhere.
    
    E&B was a much more complete game when it closed than when it
    opened, but from what I was able to glean from the outside
    (admittedly a foggy view), the lessons that made that vital
    difference were those learned by the (ever-shrinking) live team in
    E&B's first year after launch. I'm very dubious about the notion
    that more meetings and theoretical game design would've made the
    difference.
    
    As for a lack of depth in game design -- well, what does that mean?
    If it had been less shallow, a quarter of a million people would've
    ended up subscribing? I doubt it. I don't see how that's a
    reasonable assumption. I don't think the basic idea of E&B ever had
    a shot at Everquest style subscriber's numbers. Yes, the world was
    too static, and your role in it too constrained, but E&B never
    really pretended to be dynamic, nor does dynamic equal deep. E&B's
    primary urge, as far as I can tell, was to play out, over several
    years, a truly first-class (deep) storyline, with players
    participating but not really affecting the world a whole lot. There
    is a compromise there, as you all know; plot and simulation are
    difficult to mix.
    
    Given that, perhaps it was foolish to spend so much money on the
    game? Perhaps it was even foolish to launch it? But I don't see how
    patience enters into it. I think E&B basic identity was set early
    on, and no game design tweaks on the way would've changed that
    identiy and brought on EA's desired order in magnitude difference in
    subscriber numbers. I think this is essentially true for MCO as
    well.
    
    I think EA made bad decisions. I don't think either patience or
    focus would've helped E&B, and MCO and TSO strike me as following a
    similar pattern. I think taking an MMO from concept to success is a
    matter of art, not process, and its name regardless, EA is a company
    of a size where it's not easy to rejuvenate the sense of artistic
    flair in the decision-making ranks. So... focus and patience... no,
    I just don't see it.
    
    Finally, the disclaimer: my point of view is that of a player, and I
    have long since dropped out of the inside-information-gathering
    crowd.
    
    Zell
  • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Threshold RPG
    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Dana V. Baldwin
      • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Mark Mensch
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Luca Girardo
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Dana V. Baldwin
      • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Michael Hartman
  • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Derek Licciardi
  • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Threshold RPG
    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Adam Burr
      • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
        • • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Scott Macmillan
          • • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Douglas Goodall
            • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Sean Howard
            • • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Amanda Walker
              • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Scott Macmillan
              • • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Sean Howard
                • CoH Michael Hartman
                • • CoH cruise
                  • CoH Scott Macmillan
                  • CoH darksuit
            • CoH Michael Hartman
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Ryan Shwayder
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? cruise
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Oliver Smith
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Oliver Smith
              • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
                • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Byron Ellacott
                  • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Koster, Raph
                    • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Brad McQuaid
                      • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Douglas Goodall
                        • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Dana V. Baldwin
                          • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Douglas Goodall
                            • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Zach Collins (Siege)
                              • • Instancing (was: MMORPG Cancellations...) Douglas Goodall
                              • Instancing ceo
                              • • Instancing Douglas Goodall
                                • • Instancing ceo
          • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Oliver Smith
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
              • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
              • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                • • Depth (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Damion Schubert
                  • • Depth (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Sean Howard
              • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Sean Howard
              • • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Ghilardi Filippo
          • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Michael Hartman
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? cruise
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Michael Hartman
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? cruise
    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Amanda Walker
    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
      • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Michael Sellers
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Amanda Walker
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Paul McInnes
    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Andres Ferraro
      • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
      • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Ryan Shwayder
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Amanda Walker
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Mark Mensch
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
              • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Mark Mensch
                • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                  • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Derek Licciardi
                    • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Tom "cro" Gordon
                      • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Erik Bethke
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The skyis falling?) Koster, Raph
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The skyis falling?) Tom "cro" Gordon
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Douglas Goodall
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Tom "cro" Gordon
                      • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky isfalling?) Sean Howard
                      • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Derek Licciardi
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) John MacQueen
                          • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Thesky isfalling?) Freeman, Jeff
                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky isfalling?) Aaron Switzer
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Sean Howard
                          • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Aaron Switzer
                            • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Thesky isfalling?) Sean Howard
                              • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Thesky isfalling?) Aaron Switzer
                                • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                                • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Koster, Raph
                                • • MMO Communities (was MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                                  • • MMO Communities (was [MUD-Dev] MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Otis Viles
                                    • • MMO Communities (was RE:[MUD-Dev] MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                                      • • MMO Communities (was RE:MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Otis Viles
                                    • MMO Communities (was [MUD-Dev]MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Michael Sellers
                                    • • MMO Communities (was RE: [MUD-Dev]MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                                      • MMO Communities (was RE:[MUD-Dev]MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                                      • • MMO Communities (wasRE:[MUD-Dev]MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Matt Mihaly
                                  • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) ceo
                                  • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Paul Schwanz
                                  • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Tom "cro" Gordon
                                    • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Paul Schwanz
                                      • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                                        • • MMO Communities (was [MUD-Dev]MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Matt Mihaly
                                          • • MMO Communities (was RE: [MUD-Dev]MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                                            • • MMO Communities (wasRE: [MUD-Dev]MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Matt Mihaly
                                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) John Arras
                                          • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                                            • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                            • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) John Arras
                                              • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                                • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) cruise
                                                  • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                                  • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) John Arras
                                                  • • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) Douglas Goodall
                                                    • • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) Peter Keeler
                                                      • • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) Otis Viles
                                                      • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) Malcolm W. Tester II
                                                      • • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) Matt Mihaly
                                                      • MMO Simulations (was MMO Communities) cruise
                                          • MMO Communities (was [MUD-Dev] MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Paul Schwanz
                                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                          • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Zach Collins (Siege)
                                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Paolo Piselli
                                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                          • MMO Communities (was MMORPGCancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Sean Howard
                                      • forced grouping/coop play Tamzen Cannoy
                                      • • forced grouping/coop play Koster, Raph
                                        • • forced grouping/coop play Sean Kelly
                                  • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Andrew L. Tepper
                                  • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) HRose
                                  • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Douglas Goodall
                                    • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) HRose
                                      • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Byron Ellacott
                                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) HRose
                                          • • What is an MMOG? (was: MMO Communities) ceo
                                            • • What is an MMOG? (was: MMO Communities) HRose
                                              • • What is an MMOG? ceo
                                                • • What is an MMOG? HRose
                                                  • • What is an MMOG? Dana V. Baldwin
                                                    • • What is an MMOG? HRose
                                    • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) HRose
                                  • MMO Communities Eric Random
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky isfalling?) Paul Schwanz
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Thesky isfalling?) Sean Howard
                      • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) J C Lawrence
                      • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                        • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: The skyis falling?) Derek Licciardi
                        • • MMO Communities (was MMORPG Cancellations: Theskyis falling?) Jon A. Lambert
                    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? ceo
                    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Tom "cro" Gordon
                      • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Thomas Tomiczek
                        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                      • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Douglas Goodall
          • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Koster, Raph
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Scott Jennings
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Steven King
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Amanda Walker
            • • The business of avatar worlds (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) F. Randall Farmer
              • • The business of avatar worlds (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Paul Schwanz
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? David Kennerly
            • • Words (WAS: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Zach Collins (Siege)
              • • Words (WAS: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) kennerly@finegamedesign.com
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? zgj22@drexel.edu
        • Is space deep? (was MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) David Kennerly
        • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Tony Hoyt
        • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Damion Schubert
          • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
            • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Samantha LeCraft
              • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Samantha LeCraft
                  • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Sean Howard
                    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? ceo
                  • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
                  • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Brian 'Psychochild' Green
                    • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Matt Mihaly
                      • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Oliver Smith
                    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Kerry Fraser-Robinson
              • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Damion Schubert
              • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Amanda Walker
            • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? J C Lawrence
  • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? David Kennerly
  • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Michael Sellers
  • • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? Luca Girardo
    • MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling? ceo
• Sun Game Server Technology Chat Artur Biesiadowski
• • Quick Hello Mark Mensch
• Virtual/Real Currencies (was: [MUD-Dev][NEWS]GamingOpenMarket) Jon A. Lambert
• CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Alex Chacha
• • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Matt Mihaly
  • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Russ Whiteman
• CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Mike Rozak
• • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Douglas Goodall
  • • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Mike Rozak
    • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Byron Ellacott
      • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Mike Rozak
        • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Byron Ellacott
          • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
          • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Yannick Jean
            • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Otis Viles
            • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Mike Rozak
          • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Erik Bethke
          • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
            • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) dienw
              • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
                • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) J C Lawrence
                  • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
                    • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) J C Lawrence
                      • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
                      • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Erik Bethke
                      • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
                  • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Erik Bethke
                  • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                    • • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Matt Mihaly
              • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Sean Howard
          • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
      • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Michael Hartman
      • • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Erik Bethke
    • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Michael Hartman
  • CoH and others (was Cancellations: ...) Luca Girardo
• CoH and others Alex Chacha
• • CoH and others Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • CoH and others David Eckelberry
  • • CoH and others Vincent Archer
    • COH and others Alex Chacha
    • • COH and others Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • COH and others Alex Chacha
• Revenues Rafael Seabra
• • Revenues Erik Zwerling
  • • Revenues Matt Mihaly
    • • Revenues Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
      • • Revenues Matt Mihaly
• CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Koster, Raph
• • CoH (was: MMORPG Cancellations: The sky is falling?) Damion Schubert
• Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Ghilardi Filippo
• • Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Mike Rozak
• [MUD-Dev]: Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Luca Girardo
• Virtual/Real Currencies Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• Indie MMOG's ceo
• • Indie MMOG's Koster, Raph
  • • Indie MMOG's ceo
  • Indie MMOG's Derek Licciardi
  • • Indie MMOG's ceo
    • • Indie MMOG's Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • Indie MMOG's Rob C
      • • Indie MMOG's ceo
        • • Indie MMOG's Rob C
          • • Indie MMOG's ceo
          • Indie MMOG's Rob C
          • • Indie MMOG's ceo
          • Indie MMOG's Michael Sellers
          • Indie MMOG's Michael Sellers
          • • Indie MMOG's ceo
        • Indie MMOG's Matt Mihaly
        • • Indie MMOG's Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
          • • Indie MMOG's Matt Mihaly
          • Indie MMOG's Amanda Walker
          • • Indie MMOG's Jon A. Lambert
            • Indie MMOG's Zach Collins (Siege)
            • • Indie MMOG's Amanda Walker
      • Indie MMOG's Derek Licciardi
      • • Indie MMOG's ceo
        • Indie MMOG's Matt Mihaly
        • Indie MMOG's Mike Rozak
        • • Indie MMOG's Scott Jennings
          • • Indie MMOG's Mike Rozak
          • Indie MMOG's Tiago Carita
    • Indie MMOG's Matt Mihaly
    • • Indie MMOG's Derek Licciardi
      • • Indie MMOG's Matt Mihaly
• Online vs Offline (was CoH and others) Mike Rozak
• Security and cheating in MMOs jmbroyer
• [NEWS] Artifact Entertainment going bankrupt? Luca Girardo
• MEDIA: Multiplayer Gaming's Quiet Revolution J C Lawrence
• • DarkGalaxy Tiago Carita
• (no subject) Ghilardi Filippo
• Community? Erik Bethke
• • Community? Scott Jennings
  • • Community? Paul Schwanz
  • Community? Brian Thyer
  • Community? Sean Howard
  • • Community? Zach Collins (Siege)
    • Community? (Level Grind) Brian Thyer
    • • Community? (Level Grind) Sean Howard
      • • Community? (Level Grind) Damion Schubert
        • • Community? (Level Grind) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
          • • Community? (Level Grind) Malcolm W. Tester II
            • Community? (Level Grind) Victor Wachter
        • Community? (Level Grind) Douglas Goodall
        • • Community? (Level Grind) Matt Mihaly
          • • Community? (Level Grind) Ghilardi Filippo
            • Community? (Level Grind) HRose
            • Community? (Level Grind) Douglas Goodall
            • • Community? (Level Grind) Ghilardi Filippo
              • • Community? (Level Grind) Samurai Cat!
• Scalabity in MMOG's Rafael Seabra
• Level Grind - alternative Brendan O'Brien
• • Level Grind - alternative darksuit
  • • Level Grind - alternative Brendan O'Brien
  • Level Grind - alternative cruise
  • • Level Grind - alternative Brendan O'Brien
    • • Level Grind - alternative cruise
      • • Level Grind - alternative Brendan O'Brien
  • Level Grind - alternative Corey Cauble
  • • Level Grind - alternative Sean Howard
    • • Level Grind - alternative Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • Better Combat cruise
    • • Better Combat Ghilardi Filippo
      • • Better Combat cruise
      • Better Combat John Buehler
      • • Better Combat David Kennerly
        • • Better Combat John Buehler
          • • Better Combat David Kennerly
            • • Better Combat John Buehler
              • • Better Combat Amanda Walker
                • • Better Combat John Buehler
                  • Better Combat cruise
                  • • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                    • • Better Combat Yannick Jean
                      • • Better Combat Koster, Raph
                        • Better Combat HRose
                        • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                        • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] cruise
                          • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] Michael Hartman
                            • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] cruise
                              • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] Koster, Raph
                                • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] cruise
                                  • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] HRose
                                • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] Michael Hartman
                                • • Better Communication [was: Better Combat] cruise
                          • Better Combat Paul Schwanz
                          • • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                            • • Better Combat Darkwolf
                              • Better Combat Dana V. Baldwin
                              • Better Combat Matt Mihaly
                              • Better Combat Koster, Raph
                              • • Better Combat Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                                • • Better Combat HRose
                                • Better Combat Steven King
                                • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                                  • • Better Combat Paolo Piselli
                                    • • Better Combat Zach Collins (Siege)
                                    • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                                    • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                                      • Better Combat David Kennerly
                                      • Better Combat John Buehler
                                • Better Combat HRose
                                • • Better Combat Koster, Raph
                                  • • Better Combat HRose
                              • Better Combat (keywords: downtime, socialization, UI) Eric Random
                              • Better Combat Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
                            • Better Combat Amanda Walker
                          • Better Combat Yannick Jean
                          • Better Combat Yannick Jean
                        • Better Combat Tom "cro" Gordon
                        • Better Combat Alex Arnon
                      • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                      • • Better Combat Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                        • • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                          • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                        • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                        • • Better Combat Douglas Goodall
                          • • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                            • • Better Combat Dana V. Baldwin
                              • • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                                • • Better Combat Dana V. Baldwin
                                  • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) Paolo Piselli
                                  • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Derek Larson
                                    • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Paolo Piselli
                                      • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Derek Larson
                                        • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Paolo Piselli
                                          • • Cognitively Interesting Combat cruise
                                            • • Cognitively Interesting Combat ceo
                                              • Cognitively Interesting Combat Byron Ellacott
                                              • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Ben Hawes
                                                • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Ben Hawes
                                                • Cognitively Interesting Combat KaVir@t-online.de (Richard Woolcock)
                                              • Cognitively Interesting Combat Mike Rozak
                                              • Cognitively Interesting Combat
                                              • Cognitively Interesting Combat Zach Collins (Siege)
                                              • • Cognitively Interesting Combat Peter A. Harkins
                                              • Cognitively Interesting Combat Paolo Piselli
                                    • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) cruise
                                    • • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) ceo
                                      • • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) David Kennerly
                                      • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) Paolo Piselli
                                      • • Cognitively Interesting Combat (was Better Combat) cruise
                                • Better Combat Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                              • [DGN] Designed Downtime (was Better Combat) David Kennerly
                              • • [DGN] Designed Downtime (was Better Combat) Ryan Shwayder
                                • [DGN] Designed Downtime (was Better Combat) Ryan Shwayder
                                • [DGN] Designed Downtime (was Better Combat) Michael Hartman
                      • Better Combat Alex Arnon
                • Better Combat David Kennerly
                • • Better Combat John Buehler
                  • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                    • • Better Combat John Buehler
                • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] cruise
                • • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] John Buehler
                  • • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] Matt Mihaly
                    • • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] Otis Viles
                    • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] Ben Hawes
                    • • Long-Term Rewards [was: Better Combat] John Buehler
                      • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar [was: Long-Term Rewards] Michael Hartman
                        • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar [was:Long-Term Rewards] Vladimir Cole
                          • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar[was:Long-Term Rewards] Koster, Raph
                            • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar[was:Long-Term Rewards] Koster, Raph
                            • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPGavatar[was:Long-Term Rewards] Michael Sellers
                          • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar Corey Crawford
                          • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar Byron Ellacott
                            • • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar Vladimir Cole
                            • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
                          • Deriving Self Esteem from one's MMORPG avatar Mark Mensch
      • Better Combat Brendan O'Brien
      • • Better Combat Zach Collins (Siege)
        • Better Combat David Kennerly
        • • Better Combat Brendan O'Brien
          • • Better Combat David Kennerly
            • • Better Combat cruise
              • • Better Combat David Kennerly
              • Better Combat Byron Ellacott
              • • Better Combat Craig Huber
                • • Better Combat Matt Mihaly
                  • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                    • • Better Combat Byron Ellacott
                      • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                  • Better Combat Byron Ellacott
                  • • Better Combat Paul Schwanz
                    • • Better Combat Michael Hartman
                • Better Combat David Kennerly
                • • Better Combat Matt Mihaly
                  • • Better Combat David Kennerly
                • Better Combat Eric Random
                • Better Combat Eric Random
          • Better Combat Corey Cauble
          • • Better Combat David Kennerly
            • • Better Combat Corey Cauble
            • Better Combat Brendan O'Brien
            • • Better Combat (long) Paul Schwanz
              • • Better Combat (long) Douglas Goodall
                • • [DGN] Music (was: Better Combat (long)) Zach Collins (Siege)
                  • Better Combat (long) Koster, Raph
                  • • Better Combat (long) Matthew Dobervich
                    • Better Combat (long) David Kennerly
                    • • Better Combat (long) Koster, Raph
                      • • Better Combat (long) David Kennerly
                    • Creating a Player Narrative Ben Hawes
                    • • Creating a Player Narrative Douglas Goodall
                      • • Creating a Player Narrative Tim Schubert
                      • Creating a Player Narrative Dana V. Baldwin
                      • • Creating a Player Narrative HRose
                        • • integrating information streams into the game (was: Creating a Player Narrative) ceo
                          • • integrating information streams into the game (was:Creating a Player Narrative) Damion Schubert
                          • Creating a Player Narrative Dana V. Baldwin
                      • Creating a Player Narrative John MacQueen
                      • • Creating a Player Narrative HRose
                • Better Combat (long) Matt Monaghan
                • Better Combat (long) David Kennerly
                • • Better Combat (long) Byron Ellacott
                  • • Better Combat (long) J C Lawrence
                    • • Better Combat (long) Freeman, Jeff
                    • Better Combat (long) cruise
                    • Better Combat (long) J C Lawrence
                    • • Better Combat (long) Kwon J. Ekstrom
                    • Better Combat (long) Vincent Archer
                    • • Better Combat (long) Matt Cruikshank
                    • Better Combat (long) Kwon J. Ekstrom
                  • Better Combat (long) Zach Collins (Siege)
                  • • Better Combat (long) David Kennerly
                    • • Better Combat (long) Zach Collins (Siege)
                  • Better Combat (long) Paul Schwanz
                  • • Better Combat (long) David Kennerly
                • Better Combat (long) Ben Hawes
      • Better Combat Byron Ellacott
      • • Better Combat cruise
        • • Better Combat Brendan O'Brien
          • Better Combat Dana V. Baldwin
          • Better Combat Byron Ellacott
  • Level Grind - alternative Sean Kelly
  • Level Grind - alternative Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
  • Level Grind - alternative Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
  • Level Grind - alternative Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
• [mudlist] MMO Communities (was [MUD-Dev] MMORPG Cancellations:Theskyisfalling?) Morgan Dodge
• New combat system Cameron Zemek
• MMO Communities Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • MMO Communities Randolf Richardson
  • • MMO Communities Ashley Penney
    • MMO Communities Damion Schubert
    • • MMO Communities Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • MMO Communities Byron Ellacott
  • • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
    • • MMO Communities Byron Ellacott
      • • MMO Communities Dana V. Baldwin
        • • MMO Communities Byron Ellacott
          • • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
            • MMO Communities Zach Collins (Siege)
        • MMO Communities Brendan O'Brien
        • • MMO Communities Matt Mihaly
          • • MMO Communities Brendan O'Brien
            • • MMO Communities Brad McQuaid
              • • MMO Communities Matt Mihaly
                • MMO Communities Brendan O'Brien
              • MMO Communities Matt Mihaly
            • MMO Communities J C Lawrence
            • • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
              • • MMO Communities Brad McQuaid
                • • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
              • MMO Communities Matt Mihaly
              • • MMO Communities Mike Rozak
                • • MMO Communities Matt Mihaly
                • MMO Communities Tom Hunter
                • • MMO Communities zgj22@drexel.edu
                  • • MMO Communities Tom Hunter
                    • • MMO Communities (keywords: commercial influence) Eric Random
              • MMO Communities Brad McQuaid
        • MMO Communities Michael Hartman
        • • MMO Communities Tom "cro" Gordon
          • MMO Communities Paul Schwanz
          • • MMO Communities Michael Hartman
            • • MMO Communities Paul Schwanz
            • MMO Communities Byron Ellacott
      • MMO Communities HRose
      • • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
        • • MMO Communities Michael Sellers
          • • MMO Communities HRose
            • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
            • • MMO Communities HRose
              • • MMO Communities Morgan Dodge
                • MMO Communities Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • MMO Communities Freeman, Jeff
                • [DGN] Socialization against the fun Eric Random
      • MMO Communities Koster, Raph
  • MMO Communities Michael Sellers
  • • MMO Communities Yannick Jean
    • MMO Communities Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• What is an MMOG? (was: MMO Communities) ceo