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April 2004

[BIZ] Playas Pay to Spread the Luv Michael Tresca
Mogi from Newtgames Olivier Lejade
Client side simulation dienw
- Client side simulation Nate Combs {Home}
- - Client side simulation Thomas Tomiczek
- Client side simulation Amanda Walker
- Client side simulation Artur Biesiadowski
- Client side simulation Byron Ellacott
[Devops] Initial meoww cleanup J C Lawrence
Middleware (was Sun's Sim Server and Gordon's 10 Reasons (thefirstone :)) Michael Sellers
- Middleware (was Sun's Sim Server and Gordon's 10 Reasons (thefirstone :)) Tess Snider
- - Middleware (was Sun's Sim Server and Gordon's 10 Reasons (thefirstone :)) Amanda Walker
- Middleware (was Sun's Sim Server and Gordon's 10Reasons (thefirstone :)) Derek Licciardi
Announcement: Community Work Symposium - May 21 T.L. Taylor
Middleware ceo
[NEWS] Final Fantasy XI debut on PS2 in US kennerly@sfsu.edu
Random Placename Generation Matt Chatterley
- Random Placename Generation Joshua Hughes
- Random Placename Generation Ben Hawes
- - Random Placename Generation Matt Chatterley
- Random Placename Generation Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
Sun's Sim Server and Gordon's 10 Reasons (thefirstone :)) Mike Rozak
Middleware Luca Girardo
Habitat Redux Mirjam Eladhari
MUD-Dev Convention Report David Kennerly
Licensed setting MMOGs Matt Mihaly
- Licensed setting MMOGs Michael Sellers
- Licensed setting MMOGs Matt Mihaly
[News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Matt Mihaly
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! John Buehler
Player Justice Freeman, Jeff
Licensed setting MMOGs Taylor Daynes
Licensed setting MMOGs Christopher Allen
[News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Jeff Fuller
Dangers of Middleware Mike Rozak
Licensed setting MMOGs Christopher Allen
[News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Matt Mihaly
[News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! John Buehler
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Amanda Walker
- - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! John Buehler
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Marian Griffith
- - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Jeff Fuller
  - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Douglas Goodall
  - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Eric Random
[News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! John Buehler
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Matt Mihaly
- - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! John Buehler
  - - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Stone, Jason
    - - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Douglas Goodall
Sun's Sim Server and Gordon's 10 Reasons (the firstone:)) Thomas Tomiczek
- Sun's Sim Server and Gordon's 10 Reasons (thefirstone:)) David Kennerly
[News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Jeff Fuller
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Matt Mihaly
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! J C Lawrence
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! John MacQueen
[News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Brian Hook
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Travis Casey
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Jeff Fuller
- - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Brian Hook
  - - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Jeff Fuller
    - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Kevin N Shallow
Paranoia Ragnar Lonn
Player Justice Amanda Walker
- Player Justice Paul Schwanz
Less constrained environments Chris Duesing
- Less constrained environments John MacQueen
MMOG money-making clients ceo
- MMOG money-making clients Koster, Raph
- MMOG money-making clients Valerio Santinelli
[News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Otis Viles
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Paul Schwanz
- - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Paolo Piselli
  - - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Otis Viles
    - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Amanda Walker
    - - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Vincent Archer
      - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Jeff Fuller
        [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Thomas Tomiczek
        [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Steven King
        [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Vincent Archer
        [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! J C Lawrence
      - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Brian Miller
      - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! John Buehler
        [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Chris Duesing
    - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Paul Schwanz
    - - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Paolo Piselli
      - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Amanda Walker
    - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Matt Mihaly
    - - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! baar@imperian.com
Middleware (was Sun's Sim Server andGordon's10Reasons (thefirstone :)) Matt Chatterley
MudDev FAQ - part 2 Marian Griffith
Gay Characters in Videogames Michael Tresca
- Gay Characters in Videogames Tess Snider
- - Gay Characters in Videogames Darksuit
- Gay Characters in Videogames Matt Mihaly
- - Gay Characters in Videogames Michael Tresca
  - - Gay Characters in Videogames Jon A. Lambert
    - - Gay Characters in Videogames matt@ironrealms.com
- Gay Characters in Videogames Douglas Goodall
MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 11, Issue 10 kihyun {GTA Interactive}
Player Justice Freeman, Jeff
- Player Justice Paul Schwanz
Licensed setting MMOGs Ian McDonald
- Licensed setting MMOGs Christopher Allen
[News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Ryan S. Dancey
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Otis Viles
- - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! baar@imperian.com
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! J C Lawrence
R: [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Ghilardi Filippo
[BoardGameDesign] Fog of War (to Robert & dr1010xltd) (fwd) J C Lawrence
Online economies was [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Brian Hook
PvP vs. PvE was [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Brian Hook
[News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Eric Random
Kaczynski's Law Freeman, Jeff
- Kaczynski's Law Michael Sellers
- - Kaczynski's Law Freeman, Jeff
  - - Kaczynski's Law Michael Sellers
    - - Kaczynski's Law Jon A. Lambert
      - Kaczynski's Law jfreeman@soe.sony.com
      - Kaczynski's Law Robert Flesch
        Kaczynski's Law Freeman, Jeff
        Kaczynski's Law Freeman, Jeff
  - Kaczynski's Law J C Lawrence
  - Kaczynski's Law Mike Rozak
  - - Kaczynski's Law Michael Sellers
- Kaczynski's Law cruise
- Kaczynski's Law Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
- Kaczynski's Law Mike Rozak
Playing catch-up with levels [WAS Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy!] Byron Ellacott
- Playing catch-up with levels [WAS Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy!] Steven King
PvP vs. PvE Rob C
notes from MUD Dev conf and GDC Mirjam Eladhari
- notes from MUD Dev conf and GDC matt@ironrealms.com
- notes from MUD Dev conf and GDC Luca Girardo
- - notes from MUD Dev conf and GDC Jonas Heide Smith
- notes from MUD Dev conf and GDC Ren Reynolds
- notes from MUD Dev conf and GDC Brian 'Psychochild' Green
Playing catch-up with levels Byron Ellacott
- Playing catch-up with levels Amanda Walker
- - Playing catch-up with levels Craig Huber
  - - Playing catch-up with levels Michael Sellers
    - - Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
    - Playing catch-up with levels Ben Hawes
    - - Playing catch-up with levels Amanda Walker
      - Playing catch-up with levels Kwon J. Ekstrom
        Playing catch-up with levels Hulbert, Leland
      - Playing catch-up with levels John Arras
      - Playing catch-up with levels jfreeman@soe.sony.com
      - Playing catch-up with levels Matt Chatterley
        Playing catch-up with levels Kwon J. Ekstrom
        Playing catch-up with levels Matt Chatterley
        Playing catch-up with levels Kwon J. Ekstrom
        Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
        Playing catch-up with levels Matt Mihaly
        Playing catch-up with levels Vincent Archer
        Playing catch-up with levels Kwon J. Ekstrom
        Playing catch-up with levels cruise
        Playing catch-up with levels Stephen Routledge
        Playing catch-up with levels cruise
        Playing catch-up with levels Lars Duening
        Playing catch-up with levels ext.Christer.Enfors@tietoenator.com
        Playing catch-up with levels Vincent Archer
        Playing catch-up with levels Kwon J. Ekstrom
        Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
        Playing catch-up with levels ext.Christer.Enfors@tietoenator.com
        Playing catch-up with levels Eli Stevens {WG.c}
        Playing catch-up with levels Zach Collins {Siege}
        Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
        Playing catch-up with levels cruise
        Playing catch-up with levels Amanda Walker
        Playing catch-up with levels cruise
        Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
        Playing catch-up with levels Amanda Walker
        Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
        Playing catch-up with levels Jason Downs
        Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
        Playing catch-up with levels cruise
        Playing catch-up with levels Steven King
        Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
        Playing catch-up with levels Chris Duesing
        
        John Buehler wrote:
        
        > The goal of a game is to entertain. It's the reason that when a
        > character is killed, it is recovered in some way so that it can be
        > used again. That doesn't match expectations, but it sure is
        > entertaining.
        
        I would argue that typical MUD insta reincarnation does not exist
        for entertainment purposes, but for psychological ones. If a player
        has invested time and energy into a character they do not want to
        just 'lose' them.
        
        > By the same metric, I don't believe that it's going to match
        > players' desires to atrophy all accumulated skills while only one
        > or two are employed. Because it doesn't match their desires, and
        > because there is nothing inherently entertaining about losing
        > skills. A conscious tradeoff? Sure. But a lack of control over
        > which skills are sacrificed? No.
        
        Many of the arguments against skill decay in this thread have made
        the assumption that they will be implemented like past systems, even
        when the original author gave evidence his system would be more
        complex. In my opinion skill decay at a slow rate is fine as long as
        there is no overall cap and no tradeoffs of gain a skill here, lose
        one there.
        
        > I'm perfectly content in letting a player create the toughest,
        > meanest swordsman in the game with the touch of a button (and a
        > 7-day waiting period). After all, he paid his money. He should be
        > able to experience all that the game has to offer. If he wants to
        > go up against another perfect warrior, then it'll be a case of
        > their skills as players instead of who plays more or who spend
        > more money on equipment.
        
        I think the kind of system you envision is more reminiscent of
        classic video games rather than the typical MUD/MMO genre. Not that
        there is anything wrong with that, but I am guessing most of the
        posters here are making some basic assumptions about the kind of
        games they are hypothesizing. Skills, classes and levels are all
        just dressings on a system that is more of a reality replacement
        than it is an entertaining escape. It is a somewhat subtle
        distinction, but think long term interactive experience where you
        develop a bond with an avatar you create in a virtual world, rather
        than something you do to kill some time and have fun. By exposing a
        player to all of your content right off the bat you are robbing them
        of the long term character building experience. I am not saying
        someone would not get attached to their character in your system,
        simply that in most MUDs it is all about working to perfect your
        creation. Hence there being no way to 'win' in a MUD, it is about
        the journey rather than the destination. I think the heart of this
        whole thread is how to make that experience feel even more like real
        life, where we do not have little messages pop up in our field of
        vision when we learn something new and we do not have hard limits on
        how much we can learn.
        
        > The compulsion aspect might be natural for a lot of gamers today.
        > I choose to try to eliminate it. I want players to come back and
        > play my game because they enjoy it, not because they're afraid
        > they'll lose the race to get their skills up.
        
        This is an unfortunate, but probably somewhat unavoidable side
        effect of any system with advancement. People will naturally compete
        to advance more quickly than others. It is yet another means to
        judge their progress. This happens in real life all of the time. I
        would love to see a game where people could advance simply for the
        pleasure of doing so, but I suspect they would have to be
        reprogrammed in real life rather than in the game.
        
        > How would you tackle magical spells? Or are you relying on the
        > fact that players already expect to have to learn the "magic
        > system" as they do in other games?
        
        I agree that any system that is complicated to learn can be a
        barrier, but if the UI is good enough and the system intuitive
        enough then the learning process can be part of the fun.
        
        > Well, kinda sorta. The atrophy process isn't how stuff works in
        > real life. Once we learn something and then stop using it, we get
        > rusty, but the ability doesn't fade. The next time we approach
        > the skill, we recover the expertise very rapidly.
        
        I agree, but you are assuiming the original poster wont implement it
        this way. Nothing to say we cant make 'relearning' a skill much
        easier.
        
        Chris
        
        Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
        Playing catch-up with levels Travis Nixon
        Playing catch-up with levels Steven King
        Playing catch-up with levels Amanda Walker
        Playing catch-up with levels Travis Nixon
        Playing catch-up with levels cruise
        Playing catch-up with levels Amanda Walker
        Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
        Playing catch-up with levels Douglas Goodall
        Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
        Playing catch-up with levels Douglas Goodall
        Playing catch-up with levels Harrok
        Playing catch-up with levels Valerio Santinelli
      - Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
      - Playing catch-up with levels Amanda Walker
        Playing catch-up with levels Kwon J. Ekstrom
    - Playing catch-up with levels Jeff Fuller
    - - Playing catch-up with levels Craig Huber
    - Playing catch-up with levels Jeff
    - Playing catch-up with levels Byron Ellacott
    - - Playing catch-up with levels Craig Huber
      - Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
    - Playing catch-up with levels Amanda Walker
  - Playing catch-up with levels cruise
  - - Playing catch-up with levels Zach Collins {Siege}
DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Freeman, Jeff
- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Edward Glowacki
- - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency baar@imperian.com
- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Ian McDonald
- - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency baar@imperian.com
  - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Pileborg Joachim - FMT
- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Paul Schwanz
- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Matt Chatterley
- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Rayzam
- - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Freeman, Jeff
  - - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Rayzam
    - - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Freeman, Jeff
      - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency John Buehler
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Freeman, Jeff
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency John Buehler
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Freeman, Jeff
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency John Buehler
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Matt Chatterley
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Freeman, Jeff
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency John Buehler
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Matt Chatterley
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Douglas Goodall
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Paul Schwanz
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Rayzam
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency John Buehler
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        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency cruise
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Steven King
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Matt Chatterley
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Douglas Goodall
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Rayzam
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Douglas Goodall
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        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency baar@imperian.com
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Eric Random
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Adam Helps
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Eric Random
- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Brian Thyer
- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Castronova, Edward
- - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Rayzam
- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Eric Random
- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Alistair Milne
- - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Rayzam
  - - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency John Buehler
    - - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Rayzam
      - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Freeman, Jeff
- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Kirinyaga
- - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Freeman, Jeff
  - - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency brian@thyer.net
    - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Kirinyaga
- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Arkitan Plu
Story Generators Douglas Goodall
ADMIN Changes to the list page J C Lawrence
MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 11, Issue 19 Chanur Silvarian
Playing catch-up with levels Jeremy Gaffney
MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 11, Issue 19 Threshold RPG
Bringing in friends Pat Ditterline
- Bringing in friends Amanda Walker
[biz][tech][dgn][soc] Ten MMOG's you don't want to do... ceo
- [biz][tech][dgn][soc] Ten MMOG's you don't want to do... Freeman, Jeff
- [biz][tech][dgn][soc] Ten MMOG's you don't want to do... Eli Stevens {WG.c}
- [biz][tech][dgn][soc] Ten MMOG's you don't want to do... Sean Howard
- [biz][tech][dgn][soc] Ten MMOG's you don't want to do... Mike Rozak
- [biz][tech][dgn][soc] Ten MMOG's you don't want to do... Nathan Yospe
Playing catch-up with levels Steven King
- Playing catch-up with levels Byron Ellacott
Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 11, Issue 23 Alex Chacha
Playing catch-up with levels Sean Howard
- Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
- - Playing catch-up with levels Matt Mihaly
  - - Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
    - - Playing catch-up with levels Matt Mihaly
      - Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
        Playing catch-up with levels Matt Mihaly
      - Playing catch-up with levels Amanda Walker
      - Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
  - Playing catch-up with levels Sean Howard
  - - Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
    - - Playing catch-up with levels Sean Howard
      - Playing catch-up with levels Matt Mihaly
        Playing catch-up with levels Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
        Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
- Playing catch-up with levels Zach Collins {Siege}
- Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
- - Playing catch-up with levels Sean Howard
  - - Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
    - - Playing catch-up with levels Sean Howard
      - Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
        Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler