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April 2004

[BIZ] Playas Pay to Spread the Luv Michael Tresca
Mogi from Newtgames Olivier Lejade
Client side simulation dienw
- Client side simulation Nate Combs {Home}
- - Client side simulation Thomas Tomiczek
- Client side simulation Amanda Walker
- Client side simulation Artur Biesiadowski
- Client side simulation Byron Ellacott
[Devops] Initial meoww cleanup J C Lawrence
Middleware (was Sun's Sim Server and Gordon's 10 Reasons (thefirstone :)) Michael Sellers
- Middleware (was Sun's Sim Server and Gordon's 10 Reasons (thefirstone :)) Tess Snider
- - Middleware (was Sun's Sim Server and Gordon's 10 Reasons (thefirstone :)) Amanda Walker
- Middleware (was Sun's Sim Server and Gordon's 10Reasons (thefirstone :)) Derek Licciardi
Announcement: Community Work Symposium - May 21 T.L. Taylor
Middleware ceo
[NEWS] Final Fantasy XI debut on PS2 in US kennerly@sfsu.edu
Random Placename Generation Matt Chatterley
- Random Placename Generation Joshua Hughes
- Random Placename Generation Ben Hawes
- - Random Placename Generation Matt Chatterley
- Random Placename Generation Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
Sun's Sim Server and Gordon's 10 Reasons (thefirstone :)) Mike Rozak
Middleware Luca Girardo
Habitat Redux Mirjam Eladhari
MUD-Dev Convention Report David Kennerly
Licensed setting MMOGs Matt Mihaly
- Licensed setting MMOGs Michael Sellers
- Licensed setting MMOGs Matt Mihaly
[News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Matt Mihaly
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! John Buehler
Player Justice Freeman, Jeff
Licensed setting MMOGs Taylor Daynes
Licensed setting MMOGs Christopher Allen
[News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Jeff Fuller
Dangers of Middleware Mike Rozak
Licensed setting MMOGs Christopher Allen
[News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Matt Mihaly
[News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! John Buehler
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Amanda Walker
- - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! John Buehler
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Marian Griffith
- - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Jeff Fuller
  - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Douglas Goodall
  - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Eric Random
[News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! John Buehler
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Matt Mihaly
- - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! John Buehler
  - - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Stone, Jason
    - - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Douglas Goodall
Sun's Sim Server and Gordon's 10 Reasons (the firstone:)) Thomas Tomiczek
- Sun's Sim Server and Gordon's 10 Reasons (thefirstone:)) David Kennerly
[News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Jeff Fuller
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Matt Mihaly
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! J C Lawrence
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! John MacQueen
[News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Brian Hook
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Travis Casey
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Jeff Fuller
- - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Brian Hook
  - - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Jeff Fuller
    - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Kevin N Shallow
Paranoia Ragnar Lonn
Player Justice Amanda Walker
- Player Justice Paul Schwanz
Less constrained environments Chris Duesing
- Less constrained environments John MacQueen
MMOG money-making clients ceo
- MMOG money-making clients Koster, Raph
- MMOG money-making clients Valerio Santinelli
[News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Otis Viles
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Paul Schwanz
- - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Paolo Piselli
  - - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Otis Viles
    - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Amanda Walker
    - - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Vincent Archer
      - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Jeff Fuller
        [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Thomas Tomiczek
        [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Steven King
        [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Vincent Archer
        [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! J C Lawrence
      - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Brian Miller
      - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! John Buehler
        [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Chris Duesing
    - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Paul Schwanz
    - - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Paolo Piselli
      - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Amanda Walker
    - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Matt Mihaly
    - - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! baar@imperian.com
Middleware (was Sun's Sim Server andGordon's10Reasons (thefirstone :)) Matt Chatterley
MudDev FAQ - part 2 Marian Griffith
Gay Characters in Videogames Michael Tresca
- Gay Characters in Videogames Tess Snider
- - Gay Characters in Videogames Darksuit
- Gay Characters in Videogames Matt Mihaly
- - Gay Characters in Videogames Michael Tresca
  - - Gay Characters in Videogames Jon A. Lambert
    - - Gay Characters in Videogames matt@ironrealms.com
- Gay Characters in Videogames Douglas Goodall
MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 11, Issue 10 kihyun {GTA Interactive}
Player Justice Freeman, Jeff
- Player Justice Paul Schwanz
Licensed setting MMOGs Ian McDonald
- Licensed setting MMOGs Christopher Allen
[News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Ryan S. Dancey
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Otis Viles
- - [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! baar@imperian.com
- [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! J C Lawrence
R: [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Ghilardi Filippo
[BoardGameDesign] Fog of War (to Robert & dr1010xltd) (fwd) J C Lawrence
Online economies was [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Brian Hook
PvP vs. PvE was [News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Brian Hook
[News] Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy! Eric Random
Kaczynski's Law Freeman, Jeff
- Kaczynski's Law Michael Sellers
- - Kaczynski's Law Freeman, Jeff
  - - Kaczynski's Law Michael Sellers
    - - Kaczynski's Law Jon A. Lambert
      - Kaczynski's Law jfreeman@soe.sony.com
      - Kaczynski's Law Robert Flesch
        Kaczynski's Law Freeman, Jeff
        Kaczynski's Law Freeman, Jeff
  - Kaczynski's Law J C Lawrence
  - Kaczynski's Law Mike Rozak
  - - Kaczynski's Law Michael Sellers
- Kaczynski's Law cruise
- Kaczynski's Law Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
- Kaczynski's Law Mike Rozak
Playing catch-up with levels [WAS Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy!] Byron Ellacott
- Playing catch-up with levels [WAS Virtual goods--Oh, the controversy!] Steven King
PvP vs. PvE Rob C
notes from MUD Dev conf and GDC Mirjam Eladhari
- notes from MUD Dev conf and GDC matt@ironrealms.com
- notes from MUD Dev conf and GDC Luca Girardo
- - notes from MUD Dev conf and GDC Jonas Heide Smith
- notes from MUD Dev conf and GDC Ren Reynolds
- notes from MUD Dev conf and GDC Brian 'Psychochild' Green
Playing catch-up with levels Byron Ellacott
- Playing catch-up with levels Amanda Walker
- - Playing catch-up with levels Craig Huber
  - - Playing catch-up with levels Michael Sellers
    - - Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
    - Playing catch-up with levels Ben Hawes
    - - Playing catch-up with levels Amanda Walker
      - Playing catch-up with levels Kwon J. Ekstrom
        Playing catch-up with levels Hulbert, Leland
      - Playing catch-up with levels John Arras
      - Playing catch-up with levels jfreeman@soe.sony.com
      - Playing catch-up with levels Matt Chatterley
        Playing catch-up with levels Kwon J. Ekstrom
        Playing catch-up with levels Matt Chatterley
        Playing catch-up with levels Kwon J. Ekstrom
        Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
        Playing catch-up with levels Matt Mihaly
        Playing catch-up with levels Vincent Archer
        Playing catch-up with levels Kwon J. Ekstrom
        Playing catch-up with levels cruise
        Playing catch-up with levels Stephen Routledge
        Playing catch-up with levels cruise
        Playing catch-up with levels Lars Duening
        Playing catch-up with levels ext.Christer.Enfors@tietoenator.com
        Playing catch-up with levels Vincent Archer
        Playing catch-up with levels Kwon J. Ekstrom
        Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
        Playing catch-up with levels ext.Christer.Enfors@tietoenator.com
        Playing catch-up with levels Eli Stevens {WG.c}
        Playing catch-up with levels Zach Collins {Siege}
        Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
        Playing catch-up with levels cruise
        Playing catch-up with levels Amanda Walker
        Playing catch-up with levels cruise
        Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
        Playing catch-up with levels Amanda Walker
        Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
        Playing catch-up with levels Jason Downs
        Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
        Playing catch-up with levels cruise
        Playing catch-up with levels Steven King
        Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
        Playing catch-up with levels Chris Duesing
        Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
        Playing catch-up with levels Travis Nixon
        Playing catch-up with levels Steven King
        Playing catch-up with levels Amanda Walker
        Playing catch-up with levels Travis Nixon
        Playing catch-up with levels cruise
        Playing catch-up with levels Amanda Walker
        Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
        Playing catch-up with levels Douglas Goodall
        Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
        Playing catch-up with levels Douglas Goodall
        Playing catch-up with levels Harrok
        Playing catch-up with levels Valerio Santinelli
      - Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
      - Playing catch-up with levels Amanda Walker
        Playing catch-up with levels Kwon J. Ekstrom
    - Playing catch-up with levels Jeff Fuller
    - - Playing catch-up with levels Craig Huber
    - Playing catch-up with levels Jeff
    - Playing catch-up with levels Byron Ellacott
    - - Playing catch-up with levels Craig Huber
        
        First, my thanks to everyone for your replies... they were all very
        much appreciated. While I could easily respond with a novella to
        each of them, I am going to try to keep a tight hand on the reins so
        as not to clutter up everyone's mailbox with my disjointed
        ramblings. So, if I don't happen to respond to yours, simply assume
        it was because I either covered any response in a preceding reply,
        or simply had nothing even remotely intelligent to add. :-)
        
        On Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:37 PM, Byron Ellacott wrote...
        
        >> My question is, why does the vast majority keep circling back to
        >> the class/level/hp paradigm in spite of the aforementioned
        >> obstacles? Is it a case of "Better the devil you know..."? Is
        >> there a sense that there are no other titles/paradigms that have
        >> merit? Is there evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, that D+D's
        >> hallmarks of narrowly defined roles and geometric (if not
        >> exponential) power growth are "what the typical player wants"?
        
        > I think the answer is a combination of all three.
        
        > Given the cost of developing a large scale MMO, you want to be
        > fairly sure that there'll be an audience for it, and the best way
        > to be sure of an audience is "Like that game, but better!" So, if
        > that game has levels and power progression, so do you. But
        > better.
        
        > Further, the level progression is rewarding player achievement
        > with increased power (levels, skills, more health, etc). It seems
        > fairly obvious to me that you must reward achievement in some way,
        > so an alternate paradigm would need to find a replacement reward.
        > To me, ideas for rewards other than increased power are where the
        > interesting discussion here will lie.
        
        To be honest, I keep thinking there has to be more to it than just
        those few reasons I threw out above... that I am overlooking
        something that is just incredibly obvious to the rest of the world,
        and that I am utterly blinded to by my particular experiences and
        prejudices.
        
        For my part, I agree that other reward mechanisms unrelated to "raw
        power" are one interesting avenue of
        exploration... relationships/contacts, to pick an example with some
        previously explored permutations (EQ, Sims).
        
        I also think alternative paradigms for increased power could have
        some merit. That was my intent in mentioning games like Traveller
        and RuneQuest. While neither they, nor any other pen-and-paper
        title, were designed with the specific capabilities and challenges
        of the MMO (or MUD, for that matter) environment in mind any more
        than D+D was, I believe they may offer some insights into
        alternative mechanics that have yet to be fully explored (in my
        opinion, of course).
        
        > And finally, to decide what the typical player wants, we should
        > decide what a typical player is. In the MMO audience, the typical
        > player is one who is comfortable with one or more of the big hit
        > MMOs of the past. And all of those MMOs, to my knowledge, have
        > had power rewards for achievement. Your typical player, if you're
        > marketing to that audience, is therefore one who likes and
        > presumably wants power rewards for achievement.
        
        I guess the question begging to be answered is "how many people are
        out there who are not (or are no longer) comfortable/satisfied with
        the big hit MMOs of the past?" For my part, I can only safely
        proclaim a count of exactly 1 (me), with anecdotal evidence for 5 or
        6 more in my circle of friends, based on an accelerating cycle of
        abandonment... for example, UO and EQ lasted nearly a year, AC and
        DAoC each lasted 6, AO weathered about 4, and SB, SW:G, and Horizons
        each squeaked out an average longevity of only about 3 months. Some
        of us are too lazy/conflicted to cancel our accounts promptly, I
        admit, but in terms of "frequently logging in to play"... the above
        are "dead" to us.
        
        Some of that accelerated attrition might simply be due to the
        rapidly growing number of alternative titles, of course... but given
        the frequency of comments along the lines of "I don't know, it
        looked promising, it just isn't grabbing me like I thought it
        would/like it used to", I would be inclined to suggest alternative
        causes/issues might be more to blame. In relation to me and "mine",
        defining and addressing those causes is the challenge yet to be met.
        
        -=-
        
        Again, to all, my thanks...
        
        Craig
      - Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
    - Playing catch-up with levels Amanda Walker
  - Playing catch-up with levels cruise
  - - Playing catch-up with levels Zach Collins {Siege}
DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Freeman, Jeff
- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Edward Glowacki
- - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency baar@imperian.com
- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Ian McDonald
- - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency baar@imperian.com
  - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Pileborg Joachim - FMT
- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Paul Schwanz
- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Matt Chatterley
- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Rayzam
- - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Freeman, Jeff
  - - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Rayzam
    - - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Freeman, Jeff
      - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency John Buehler
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Freeman, Jeff
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency John Buehler
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Freeman, Jeff
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency John Buehler
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Matt Chatterley
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Freeman, Jeff
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency John Buehler
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Matt Chatterley
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Douglas Goodall
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Paul Schwanz
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Rayzam
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency John Buehler
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        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Steven King
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Matt Chatterley
        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Douglas Goodall
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        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Douglas Goodall
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        DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency baar@imperian.com
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- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Brian Thyer
- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Castronova, Edward
- - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Rayzam
- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Eric Random
- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Alistair Milne
- - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Rayzam
  - - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency John Buehler
    - - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Rayzam
      - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Freeman, Jeff
- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Kirinyaga
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    - DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Kirinyaga
- DESIGN: Active and Inactive currency Arkitan Plu
Story Generators Douglas Goodall
ADMIN Changes to the list page J C Lawrence
MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 11, Issue 19 Chanur Silvarian
Playing catch-up with levels Jeremy Gaffney
MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 11, Issue 19 Threshold RPG
Bringing in friends Pat Ditterline
- Bringing in friends Amanda Walker
[biz][tech][dgn][soc] Ten MMOG's you don't want to do... ceo
- [biz][tech][dgn][soc] Ten MMOG's you don't want to do... Freeman, Jeff
- [biz][tech][dgn][soc] Ten MMOG's you don't want to do... Eli Stevens {WG.c}
- [biz][tech][dgn][soc] Ten MMOG's you don't want to do... Sean Howard
- [biz][tech][dgn][soc] Ten MMOG's you don't want to do... Mike Rozak
- [biz][tech][dgn][soc] Ten MMOG's you don't want to do... Nathan Yospe
Playing catch-up with levels Steven King
- Playing catch-up with levels Byron Ellacott
Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 11, Issue 23 Alex Chacha
Playing catch-up with levels Sean Howard
- Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
- - Playing catch-up with levels Matt Mihaly
  - - Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
    - - Playing catch-up with levels Matt Mihaly
      - Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
        Playing catch-up with levels Matt Mihaly
      - Playing catch-up with levels Amanda Walker
      - Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
  - Playing catch-up with levels Sean Howard
  - - Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
    - - Playing catch-up with levels Sean Howard
      - Playing catch-up with levels Matt Mihaly
        Playing catch-up with levels Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler
        Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
- Playing catch-up with levels Zach Collins {Siege}
- Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
- - Playing catch-up with levels Sean Howard
  - - Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
    - - Playing catch-up with levels Sean Howard
      - Playing catch-up with levels Threshold RPG
        Playing catch-up with levels John Buehler