March 2004
- Quick question SSL Mats Lidstrom
- Player Justice (was: Character Restraint & Capture (bounty hunting)) Damion Schubert
- Player Justice Paul Schwanz
- Player Justice Damion Schubert
- Player Justice Freeman, Jeff
- Player Justice Koster, Raph
- Player Justice Michael Sellers
- Player Justice Koster, Raph
- Player Justice Matt Mihaly
- Player Justice Freeman, Jeff
- Player Justice Paul Schwanz
- Quick question SSL...solution? ceo
- The Economic Model - as a Game Matt Chatterley
- The Economic Model - as a Game j0hn@mistydale.com
- Parser engines Brian Hook
- Parser engines Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
- Parser engines Malcolm W. Tester II
Brian Hook wrote:
> So several questions:
> - what MUDs do have IF-quality parsers?
> - assuming I'm correct that most MUDs (Diku and LP derivatives)
> don't have IF-quality parsers, is there a good reason for this
> and is this an impediment to less combat oriented, more puzzle
> oriented play?
I've been involved with a couple of places, both LP derived, who
have quite a bit more intelligence than just 'kill orc'. Syntax
such as "take the sword 3 from bag 5" or "put sword on ground in bag
2" or "get torch from bag on ground" or "search under [the] [blue]
bed", "search behind [the] [blue] bed", "search [the] [blue] bed",
which produce 3 different results.
The muds are not identical, since written by different people,
obviously. But much more advanced than the average mud, imo. The
biggest difference I see between crappy parsers and decent parsers,
is the type of person who codes it. And in general, it seems
Americans are lazier about it. I am an American, so I have a right
to call us lazy :) Both of the parsers in these muds were written by
other nationalitys. One was by a German guy, the other was by a
Swedish guy. Both are based off the original lp 2.4.5. Could they
be even better? Yeah. Re-write them from scratch, use the modern
LDmud driver (if you're going LP), and they could be improved. But,
it's been 10-12 years since these muds were started, and now they
are huge and full of things, and it's quite possible something as
integral as the parser, being re-written, could break things. So it
isn't likely to happen when you have 10,000+ rooms.
> My guess for the second question above is that many players don't
> care about the quality of a parser so long as the basic commands
> they want are there ("kill orc"), and that a lot of the features
> in IF-engines (which are normally puzzle oriented, not combat
> oriented), are considered fluff or irrelevant to most combat MUD
> players.
As far as combat is concerned, one of the muds has a great parser
because it is as much quest-centric as it is combat-centric. Quests
are pushed there, and they are smart and challenging. Some of which
wouldn't be possible without a decent parser. On the other mud,
quests aren't pushed as hard, but they still tend to be smarter than
otherwise possible if you used a generic parser. I think that Dikus
tend to be more combat "KILL KILL KILL" than LPs, except for the
countless muds with less-than-knowledgable admins who cannot do
anything except make k3wl monsters.
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- [good] N00b question Manuel Lanctot
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- [good] Parser engines Manuel Lanctot
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- Why significant rewards for quests are a bad thing Brian Miller
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