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January 2004

The last days of Discord PVP server on EQ Frank Crowell
- The last days of Discord PVP server on EQ szii@sziisoft.com
biggest muds Matt Mihaly
Congratulations Horizons... Lee Sheldon
- Congratulations Horizons... Brad McQuaid
- - Congratulations Horizons... Marian Griffith
  - - Congratulations Horizons... Brad McQuaid
    - - Congratulations Horizons... T H
      - Congratulations Horizons... Matt Mihaly
      - Congratulations Horizons... Lee Sheldon
        Congratulations Horizons... Chanur Silvarian
      - Congratulations Horizons... Lee Sheldon
      - Congratulations Horizons... Brad McQuaid
      - Congratulations Horizons... Marian Griffith
      - Congratulations Horizons... Chris Duesing
    - Congratulations Horizons... Mike Shaver
    - - Congratulations Horizons... Marian Griffith
    - Congratulations Horizons... Tom "cro" Gordon
  - Congratulations Horizons... Lee Sheldon
  - - Congratulations Horizons... Brad McQuaid
    - - Congratulations Horizons... Lee Sheldon
    - Congratulations Horizons... Christopher Kohnert
    - Congratulations Horizons... Vincent Archer
    - Congratulations Horizons... Chanur Silvarian
    - - Congratulations Horizons... Vincent Archer
      - Congratulations Horizons... Chanur Silvarian
        Congratulations Horizons... Lee Sheldon
        Congratulations Horizons... Chanur Silvarian
  - Congratulations Horizons... Matt Mihaly
  - - Congratulations Horizons... John Buehler
- Congratulations Horizons... Philip M. Hofer {Frumph}
- - Congratulations Horizons... Lee Sheldon
  - Congratulations Horizons... Paul Schwanz
  - - Congratulations Horizons... Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    - - Congratulations Horizons... Lee Sheldon
    - Congratulations Horizons... Lee Sheldon
- Congratulations Horizons... Matt Mihaly
- - Congratulations Horizons... Lee Sheldon
[DGN] The psychology of random numbers Ted L. Chen
- [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Ammon Lauritzen
- - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Chanur Silvarian
  - - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Michael "Flury" Chui
    - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Zach Collins {Siege}
    - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers David Kennerly
- [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Paolo Piselli
- [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Sean Kelly
- - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Chanur Silvarian
  - - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Alex Chacha
  - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Ted L. Chen
  - - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers ceo
    - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Dave Bacher
    - - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
      - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Ben Hawes
        [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Byron Ellacott
        [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Kirinyaga
      - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers szii@sziisoft.com
        [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Brian Hook
        [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Mike Shaver
        [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Byron Ellacott
        [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Byron Ellacott
      - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers J C Lawrence
      - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Rayzam
        [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Vincent Archer
      - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Robert Zubek
- [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Travis Casey
[BIZ] Defining 'churhn' in relation to MMO games Tom "cro" Gordon
- [BIZ] Defining 'churhn' in relation to MMO games ren@aldermangroup.com
Moderation delays J C Lawrence
NEWS TECH: Welcome to the "MUD-Dev" mailing list Peter Seebach
- NEWS TECH: Welcome to the "MUD-Dev" mailing list Jon Leonard
- - NEWS TECH: Welcome to the "MUD-Dev" mailing list Peter Seebach
- NEWS TECH: Welcome to the "MUD-Dev" mailing list Lars Duening
- - NEWS TECH: Welcome to the "MUD-Dev" mailing list Peter Seebach
  - NEWS TECH: Welcome to the "MUD-Dev" mailing list Mats Lidstrom
  - - NEWS TECH: Welcome to the "MUD-Dev" mailing list Lars Duening
Expected value and standard deviation. Michael Tresca
- Expected value and standard deviation. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- - Expected value and standard deviation. Michael Tresca
  - - Expected value and standard deviation. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
levels (was: ghost mode) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue 9) Paul Schwanz
- Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) John Buehler
- - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Paul Schwanz
  - - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol7, Issue9) John Buehler
    - - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol7, Issue9) Paul Schwanz
      - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol7, Issue9) John Buehler
  - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Freeman, Jeff
  - - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol7, Issue9) John Buehler
    - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Dave Bacher
  - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Ian McDonald
  - - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Paul Schwanz
- Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Rayzam
- - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Paul Schwanz
  - - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol7, Issue9) Rayzam
    - - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol7, Issue9) Paul Schwanz
      - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol7, Issue9) Eli Stevens {WG.c}
  - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Sheela Caur'Lir
  - - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) John Buehler
    - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Dave Bacher
  - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  - - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) T H
    - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Rayzam
- Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol7, Issue9) eversilver@yahoo.com
Camping (Was just named as a generic MUD-DEV reply) Chanur Silvarian
- Camping (Was just named as a generic MUD-DEV reply) ren@aldermangroup.com
- Camping (Was just named as a generic MUD-DEV reply) Brent P. Newhall
Exploits and hacks in MMORPGs Björn Morén
- Exploits and hacks in MMORPGs Daniel Anderson
- Exploits and hacks in MMORPGs Sheela Caur'Lir
- Exploits and hacks in MMORPGs Kirinyaga
Do players enjoy farming? Chanur Silvarian
Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue 9) Paul Schwanz
- Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue 9) Tom "cro" Gordon
Online worlds and behavior... etykwins@fcbayern.de
ANNOUNCE: MUD-Dev conference, 26 and 27 March 2004 J C Lawrence
MudWorld.Org Anthony R. Haslage
New MMORPG from the Army Amanda Walker
- New MMORPG from the Army Dave Rickey
- - New MMORPG from the Army Amanda Walker
  - - New MMORPG from the Army Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
FedExing ghovs
- FedExing Sean Middleditch
- FedExing Ben Hawes
- - FedExing Alistair Riddoch
  - - FedExing Jesus Lopez
    - - FedExing Alistair Riddoch
      - FedExing Sean Middleditch
Play styles and world interactionsistilldontwantitposted@phlange.com J C Lawrence
Death and Permadeath and Corpse Retrieval Sean Middleditch
- Death and Permadeath and Corpse Retrieval T H
- - Death and Permadeath and Corpse Retrieval Ben Hawes
  - - Death and Permadeath and Corpse Retrieval Sean Middleditch
- Death and Permadeath and Corpse Retrieval Spot
- - Death and Permadeath and Corpse Retrieval Sean Middleditch
- Death and Permadeath and Corpse Retrieval Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
[DGN] Senior Focus Mentor Needed Andrew Budd
[BIZ] HOW TO SCREW UP A PERFECTLY GOOD GAME COMPANY IN TEN EASY STEPS Michael Tresca
[BIZ] TEN MORE EASY WAYS TO SCREW UP YOUR GAME COMPANY Michael Tresca
Crafting systems Björn Morén

I've noticed that crafting systems has been discussed before (2002
Q3), I just want to add my view on how it maybe could be
implemented. What do you think about the following?

Crafting seems be of low priority when compared to combat when
MMORPGs are designed. Most crafting systems I've looked into are
kind of second rate, boring to use. I get the problems, players want
a great diversity of items they can create, and they want to be
engineering new items, maybe so new that the designers didn't even
think about them. How can that be done and still have a game that's
properly balanced? They also want to spend less time actually
working, and greater time engineering, finding/buying source
materials and understanding what items are in demand in the
community. And the RPG aspect demands that the player can identify
with the crafter in that he performs meaningful tasks and his life
is somewhat realistic and interesting. I know, I'm assuming stuff
that maybe not fits *every* crafter, but hopefully the majority.

The warrior usually finds games of this type rewarding, since their
game mechanics are so developed. Why not use similar mechanics for
both of them, taking inspiration from the warrior? Why not look at
*skills* in a unified way (some skills excluded). A simplified
example: in combat the avatar struggles with the right strategy to
defeat a clever enemy, in the smithy the avatar struggles with the
right strategy on "clever" materials to create a great sword.

Solution:

Items/materials need to have a lot more attribute values than most
RPGs, in order for this to work. A piece of iron is not just a
piece of iron, it has attributes and those attributes will change
in a complex way when it is heated, hammered, etc. Two seemingly
identical pieces will respond differently when the same operation
is applied (just as with combat opponents). Of course this also is
the case with the resulting items (weapons, etc).

Killing an opponent will require a strategy, not a recipe, because
you don't know exactly how the opponent will react in all
situations. The same goes for crafting: you need a strategy, not a
recipe, because materials will not respond in a 100% known way. And
the reactions can be lethal just as for the warrior.

In order to produce certain items, perfection in certain skills is a
must. Skills are used to operate a tool on the source materials,
which in turn reshapes and combines them and gives them modified
attribute values. The more perfected a skill is, the faster the
operation goes, and the more modified the attribute can become, if
the avatar wants to. While there is a range of resulting item
qualities (depending on materials, skills, etc), many item
properties follow zero sum rules in order not to break the
game. Improving one aspect of an item often weakens other aspects,
etc.

For both crafter and warrior the strategy is an iteration between A)
Analyze the "source(s)" at their current state, and B) Given the
state, apply an appropriate operation as a step towards the final
result. The strategy is not a simple recipe; it's a guide on how to
act in different situations in order to reach the final
result. Given a specific situation, one can never know if the
applied strategy is the most optimal. It is all about learning by
doing. Intelligent conclusions will hopefully lead to refined
strategies.

/BjÃ¶rn MorÃ©n
Do Quests need to be Fed-Ex David Lyttle
- Do Quests need to be Fed-Ex eversilver@yahoo.com
- - Do Quests need to be Fed-Ex Chanur Silvarian
  - - Do Quests need to be Fed-Ex Sean Howard
    - - Do Quests need to be Fed-Ex Chanur Silvarian
      - Do Quests need to be Fed-Ex Sean Howard
Moving toward Massive Multiplay (was Congratulations Horizons...) Paul Schwanz
- Moving toward Massive Multiplay (was Congratulations Horizons...) Mike Shaver
ADMIN: Policy change J C Lawrence
[TECH][TOOLS] SCM systems ceo
- [TECH][TOOLS] SCM systems Erik Bethke
- - [TECH][TOOLS] SCM systems ceo
  - [TECH][TOOLS] SCM systems Jon A. Lambert
Problems with current RPGs Björn Morén
- Problems with current RPGs Koster, Raph
- - Problems with current RPGs Sean Howard
  - Problems with current RPGs Björn Morén
  - - Problems with current RPGs Koster, Raph
    - - Problems with current RPGs Björn Morén
      - Problems with current RPGs David Johansson
  - Problems with current RPGs Yaka St.Aise
- Problems with current RPGs Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
- - Problems with current RPGs Björn Morén
- Problems with current RPGs Yaka St.Aise
Character Perceptions John Buehler
- Character Perceptions Derek Licciardi
- - Character Perceptions John Buehler
  - - Character Perceptions ceo
    - - Character Perceptions John Buehler
- Character Perceptions Scion Altera
- - Character Perceptions John Buehler
- Character Perceptions bjoernen@hotmail.com
- - Character Perceptions John Buehler
[BIZ] Warcraft Interview Michael Tresca
- [BIZ] Warcraft Interview ceo
- [BIZ] Warcraft Interview Björn Morén
Raffle at the MUD-Dev Conference, March 27th and 28th 2004 Ann
R: Moving toward Massive Multiplay (was CongratulationsHorizons...) Ghilardi Filippo
Python script as stand alone MUD server... Jason Slaughter
- Python script as stand alone MUD server... Sean Middleditch
- Python script as stand alone MUD server... Alistair Riddoch
- - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Jason Slaughter
  - - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Sean Middleditch
    - - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Alistair Riddoch
      - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Kwon J. Ekstrom
      - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Alistair Riddoch
    - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Zach Collins {Siege}
    - - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Alistair Riddoch
    - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Alistair Riddoch
    - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Byron Ellacott
- Python script as stand alone MUD server... Mats Lidstrom
- Python script as stand alone MUD server... ceo
- - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Zach Collins {Siege}
  - - Python script as stand alone MUD server... ceo
    - - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Zach Collins {Siege}
      - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Byron Ellacott
- Python script as stand alone MUD server... Edward Glowacki
- - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Brian Hook
  - - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Sean Middleditch
    - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Frank Crowell
- Python script as stand alone MUD server... Byron Ellacott
- - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Mike Shaver
  - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Alistair Riddoch
- Python script as stand alone MUD server... Thomas Clive Richards
- - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Zach Collins {Siege}
[BIZ] Apparent acquisition of Yantis (mysupersales) by IDE Rudy Fink
- [BIZ] Apparent acquisition of Yantis (mysupersales) by IDE Bruce Mitchener
Meaning and entertainment - Farming and FedExing (was Do players enjoy farming?) Michael Sellers
Power games Ana Valdés
- Power games Mats Lidstrom
- - Power games Ana Valdés
- Power games Byron Ellacott
- - Power games Ana Valdés
Mage 2 Mage gbtmud
- Mage 2 Mage Travis Casey
Interpersonal Relations in Virtual Worlds Brad King
- Interpersonal Relations in Virtual Worlds Chris
- Interpersonal Relations in Virtual Worlds Nick Yee
- Interpersonal Relations in Virtual Worlds Paul Schwanz
- Interpersonal Relations in Virtual Worlds Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Interpersonal Relations in Virtual Worlds Lee Faris
Platform choice Gary Whitten
MUD client popularity Brian Hook
- MUD client popularity Frank Crowell
- MUD client popularity Ammon Lauritzen
- - MUD client popularity Brian Hook
  - - MUD client popularity Rayzam
    - - MUD client popularity Brian Hook
      - MUD client popularity Rayzam
    - MUD client popularity Edward Glowacki
    - - MUD client popularity J C Lawrence
      - MUD client popularity Edward Glowacki
  - MUD client popularity Travis Casey
  - - MUD client popularity Ammon Lauritzen
    - MUD client popularity Byron Ellacott
    - - MUD client popularity Frank Fisher
    - MUD client popularity ceo
    - MUD client popularity Edward Glowacki
    - - MUD client popularity Emil Nilimaa
      - MUD client popularity Tom "cro" Gordon
        MUD client popularity Edward Glowacki
    - MUD client popularity Sean Middleditch
    - - MUD client popularity Zach Collins {Siege}
      - MUD client popularity Sean Middleditch
- MUD client popularity Alistair Riddoch
- MUD client popularity Byron Ellacott
- MUD client popularity Brian Hook
- MUD client popularity Brian Hook
- - MUD client popularity Sean Middleditch
  - MUD client popularity Edward Glowacki
  - MUD client popularity Brent P. Newhall
SMOG - small multiuser online game Frank Crowell
- SMOG - small multiuser online game Miroslav Silovic
- - SMOG - small multiuser online game Frank Crowell
- SMOG - small multiuser online game Crosbie Fitch
- - SMOG - small multiuser online game Frank Crowell
  - SMOG - small multiuser online game Byron Ellacott
  - - SMOG - small multiuser online game Crosbie Fitch
- SMOG - small multiuser online game Byron Ellacott
- - SMOG - small multiuser online game Tom "cro" Gordon
  - SMOG - small multiuser online game Crosbie Fitch
- SMOG - small multiuser online game Crosbie Fitch
- - SMOG - small multiuser online game maddog
[BUS] How to build an MMOG... ceo
[DGN] Subjective randomness (was: The psychology of random numbers) Robert Zubek
- [DGN] Subjective randomness (was: The psychology of random numbers) Felix A. Croes
- - [DGN] Subjective randomness (was: The psychology of random numbers) Sean Kelly
Solutions for smarter NPCs Björn Morén
- Solutions for smarter NPCs ext.Christer.Enfors@tietoenator.com
- - Solutions for smarter NPCs info@castwide.com
- Solutions for smarter NPCs Kirinyaga
- - Solutions for smarter NPCs Vincent Archer
  - - Solutions for smarter NPCs Valerio Santinelli
    - Solutions for smarter NPCs Olivier Lejade
    - - Solutions for smarter NPCs Kirinyaga
      - Solutions for smarter NPCs Olivier Lejade
- Solutions for smarter NPCs Michael Sellers