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January 2004

The last days of Discord PVP server on EQ Frank Crowell
- The last days of Discord PVP server on EQ szii@sziisoft.com
biggest muds Matt Mihaly
Congratulations Horizons... Lee Sheldon
- Congratulations Horizons... Brad McQuaid
- - Congratulations Horizons... Marian Griffith
  - - Congratulations Horizons... Brad McQuaid
    - - Congratulations Horizons... T H
      - Congratulations Horizons... Matt Mihaly
      - Congratulations Horizons... Lee Sheldon
        Congratulations Horizons... Chanur Silvarian
      - Congratulations Horizons... Lee Sheldon
      - Congratulations Horizons... Brad McQuaid
      - Congratulations Horizons... Marian Griffith
      - Congratulations Horizons... Chris Duesing
    - Congratulations Horizons... Mike Shaver
    - - Congratulations Horizons... Marian Griffith
    - Congratulations Horizons... Tom "cro" Gordon
  - Congratulations Horizons... Lee Sheldon
  - - Congratulations Horizons... Brad McQuaid
    - - Congratulations Horizons... Lee Sheldon
    - Congratulations Horizons... Christopher Kohnert
    - Congratulations Horizons... Vincent Archer
    - Congratulations Horizons... Chanur Silvarian
    - - Congratulations Horizons... Vincent Archer
      - Congratulations Horizons... Chanur Silvarian
        Congratulations Horizons... Lee Sheldon
        Congratulations Horizons... Chanur Silvarian
  - Congratulations Horizons... Matt Mihaly
  - - Congratulations Horizons... John Buehler
- Congratulations Horizons... Philip M. Hofer {Frumph}
- - Congratulations Horizons... Lee Sheldon
  - Congratulations Horizons... Paul Schwanz
  - - Congratulations Horizons... Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    - - Congratulations Horizons... Lee Sheldon
    - Congratulations Horizons... Lee Sheldon
- Congratulations Horizons... Matt Mihaly
- - Congratulations Horizons... Lee Sheldon
[DGN] The psychology of random numbers Ted L. Chen
- [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Ammon Lauritzen
- - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Chanur Silvarian
  - - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Michael "Flury" Chui
    - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Zach Collins {Siege}
    - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers David Kennerly
- [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Paolo Piselli
- [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Sean Kelly
- - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Chanur Silvarian
  - - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Alex Chacha
  - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Ted L. Chen
  - - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers ceo
    - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Dave Bacher
    - - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
      - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Ben Hawes
        [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Byron Ellacott
        [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Kirinyaga
      - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers szii@sziisoft.com
        [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Brian Hook
        [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Mike Shaver
        [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Byron Ellacott
        [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Byron Ellacott
      - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers J C Lawrence
      - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Rayzam
        [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Vincent Archer
      - [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Robert Zubek
- [DGN] The psychology of random numbers Travis Casey
[BIZ] Defining 'churhn' in relation to MMO games Tom "cro" Gordon
- [BIZ] Defining 'churhn' in relation to MMO games ren@aldermangroup.com
Moderation delays J C Lawrence
NEWS TECH: Welcome to the "MUD-Dev" mailing list Peter Seebach
- NEWS TECH: Welcome to the "MUD-Dev" mailing list Jon Leonard
- - NEWS TECH: Welcome to the "MUD-Dev" mailing list Peter Seebach
- NEWS TECH: Welcome to the "MUD-Dev" mailing list Lars Duening
- - NEWS TECH: Welcome to the "MUD-Dev" mailing list Peter Seebach
  - NEWS TECH: Welcome to the "MUD-Dev" mailing list Mats Lidstrom
  - - NEWS TECH: Welcome to the "MUD-Dev" mailing list Lars Duening
Expected value and standard deviation. Michael Tresca
- Expected value and standard deviation. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- - Expected value and standard deviation. Michael Tresca
  - - Expected value and standard deviation. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
levels (was: ghost mode) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue 9) Paul Schwanz
- Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) John Buehler
  
  Paul Schwanz writes:
  > Rayzam wrote:
  >> From: "Paul Schwanz" <pschwanz@comcast.net>
  
  >>> I'm still not sure why we have it in for camping when players so
  >>> obviously like to camp. Or why we have it in for farming when
  >>> players seem to prefer to farm. Why don't these facts cause us
  >>> instead to come up with better ways to help players enjoy
  >>> camping and farming?
  
  >> Because I think it's an issue where it's not enjoyed, but felt as
  >> necessary. Some enjoy the control of a resource, ie, owning or
  >> controlling the camp. But standing in the same place until a
  >> monster arrives, and with random drops, killing the same monster
  >> many times to get the 1 item you want from it? That's not
  >> enjoyable to most.
  
  > When I talk about camping and farming, I'm referring to *any*
  > low-risk activity that produces predictable gains, not just the
  > normal paradigm for camping and farming monster spawns. I think
  > players like these sorts of activities much more than what we
  > typically attribute to them. They aren't always the adrenalin
  > junkies that we make them out to be. The problem, as I see it, is
  > that monster-bashing is typically the only real route to success,
  > both for those who are looking for an adrenalin high as well as
  > for those who are looking for a low-risk, low -committment, highly
  > controlled activity.
  
  > So why not introduce something like real farming? Those who are
  > interested in farming-like or even mining-like activities can be
  > the major producers of resources in the game. When you add
  > monsters to this mix, you can get something very interesting. The
  > farmers don't want to be killed. That's not really their game.
  > However, the monsters have a nasty habit of ruining their crops,
  > killing their sheep, or otherwise making a nuisance of themselves.
  > So, the farmers hire monster killers (those who like high-risk
  > activities) to help keep the nuisance to a minimum. Or maybe they
  > hire builders to construct a better wall around their property.
  
  Barrier alert.
  
  You get an interesting result, but only for the monster killers.
  The farmers and miners receive the hassle that you didn't want for
  yourself. I think that you're mixing different types of
  entertainment for the farmers and miners. They want to farm and
  mine. They don't want to have things that oppose their very ability
  to farm and mine.
  
  I encountered this sort of thing with Ultima Online. I wanted to
  run a ranger who wandered in the wilderness, living off the land. I
  was perfectly happy to dodge the occasional monster. And I could do
  all that and be entertained by it. Then the player killers found
  me. And killed me.
  
  At that point, I had the opportunity to hire somebody to protect me.
  Or work to be badder and tougher than they were. I had zero
  interest in solving that problem. The problem wasn't entertaining,
  and the solutions didn't hold any promise of being entertaining.
  
  Similarly, I don't believe that farmers want to spend time hiring
  people to defend their fields or to constructive defensive
  fortifications to protect them. Although only a story, "The Seven
  Samurai" is the very scenario that you talk about. Notice that the
  portrayal of the farmers is that as soon as they can, they get back
  to farming. They don't want to be hiring samurai, fighting off
  raiders or any of that nonsense. They want to be farming.
  
  > Best of all, you can evoke emotions that are much more in line
  > with how monsters should be viewed. Not as something like corn or
  > wheat, but as big, scary, dangerous things that we love to fear
  > and love to hate.
  
  > It is a very different approach, but one that makes a lot more
  > sense to me than does the current one.
  
  I certainly support the notion that monsters should be less about
  balance and more about being an entertaining experience. In your
  terms: "big, scary, dangerous things". And I also support the
  desire to eliminate the classic implementations of farming and
  camping. But I think that you're taking the farming and camping
  barriers and moving them to somebody else's experience by having
  monsters attacking the folks who want to farm and mine.
  
  JB
- - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Paul Schwanz
  - - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol7, Issue9) John Buehler
    - - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol7, Issue9) Paul Schwanz
      - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol7, Issue9) John Buehler
  - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Freeman, Jeff
  - - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol7, Issue9) John Buehler
    - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Dave Bacher
  - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Ian McDonald
  - - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Paul Schwanz
- Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Rayzam
- - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Paul Schwanz
  - - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol7, Issue9) Rayzam
    - - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol7, Issue9) Paul Schwanz
      - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol7, Issue9) Eli Stevens {WG.c}
  - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Sheela Caur'Lir
  - - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) John Buehler
    - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Dave Bacher
  - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  - - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) T H
    - Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue9) Rayzam
- Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol7, Issue9) eversilver@yahoo.com
Camping (Was just named as a generic MUD-DEV reply) Chanur Silvarian
- Camping (Was just named as a generic MUD-DEV reply) ren@aldermangroup.com
- Camping (Was just named as a generic MUD-DEV reply) Brent P. Newhall
Exploits and hacks in MMORPGs Björn Morén
- Exploits and hacks in MMORPGs Daniel Anderson
- Exploits and hacks in MMORPGs Sheela Caur'Lir
- Exploits and hacks in MMORPGs Kirinyaga
Do players enjoy farming? Chanur Silvarian
Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue 9) Paul Schwanz
- Do players enjoy farming? (was MUD-Dev Digest, Vol 7, Issue 9) Tom "cro" Gordon
Online worlds and behavior... etykwins@fcbayern.de
ANNOUNCE: MUD-Dev conference, 26 and 27 March 2004 J C Lawrence
MudWorld.Org Anthony R. Haslage
New MMORPG from the Army Amanda Walker
- New MMORPG from the Army Dave Rickey
- - New MMORPG from the Army Amanda Walker
  - - New MMORPG from the Army Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
FedExing ghovs
- FedExing Sean Middleditch
- FedExing Ben Hawes
- - FedExing Alistair Riddoch
  - - FedExing Jesus Lopez
    - - FedExing Alistair Riddoch
      - FedExing Sean Middleditch
Play styles and world interactionsistilldontwantitposted@phlange.com J C Lawrence
Death and Permadeath and Corpse Retrieval Sean Middleditch
- Death and Permadeath and Corpse Retrieval T H
- - Death and Permadeath and Corpse Retrieval Ben Hawes
  - - Death and Permadeath and Corpse Retrieval Sean Middleditch
- Death and Permadeath and Corpse Retrieval Spot
- - Death and Permadeath and Corpse Retrieval Sean Middleditch
- Death and Permadeath and Corpse Retrieval Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
[DGN] Senior Focus Mentor Needed Andrew Budd
[BIZ] HOW TO SCREW UP A PERFECTLY GOOD GAME COMPANY IN TEN EASY STEPS Michael Tresca
[BIZ] TEN MORE EASY WAYS TO SCREW UP YOUR GAME COMPANY Michael Tresca
Crafting systems Björn Morén
Do Quests need to be Fed-Ex David Lyttle
- Do Quests need to be Fed-Ex eversilver@yahoo.com
- - Do Quests need to be Fed-Ex Chanur Silvarian
  - - Do Quests need to be Fed-Ex Sean Howard
    - - Do Quests need to be Fed-Ex Chanur Silvarian
      - Do Quests need to be Fed-Ex Sean Howard
Moving toward Massive Multiplay (was Congratulations Horizons...) Paul Schwanz
- Moving toward Massive Multiplay (was Congratulations Horizons...) Mike Shaver
ADMIN: Policy change J C Lawrence
[TECH][TOOLS] SCM systems ceo
- [TECH][TOOLS] SCM systems Erik Bethke
- - [TECH][TOOLS] SCM systems ceo
  - [TECH][TOOLS] SCM systems Jon A. Lambert
Problems with current RPGs Björn Morén
- Problems with current RPGs Koster, Raph
- - Problems with current RPGs Sean Howard
  - Problems with current RPGs Björn Morén
  - - Problems with current RPGs Koster, Raph
    - - Problems with current RPGs Björn Morén
      - Problems with current RPGs David Johansson
  - Problems with current RPGs Yaka St.Aise
- Problems with current RPGs Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
- - Problems with current RPGs Björn Morén
- Problems with current RPGs Yaka St.Aise
Character Perceptions John Buehler
- Character Perceptions Derek Licciardi
- - Character Perceptions John Buehler
  - - Character Perceptions ceo
    - - Character Perceptions John Buehler
- Character Perceptions Scion Altera
- - Character Perceptions John Buehler
- Character Perceptions bjoernen@hotmail.com
- - Character Perceptions John Buehler
[BIZ] Warcraft Interview Michael Tresca
- [BIZ] Warcraft Interview ceo
- [BIZ] Warcraft Interview Björn Morén
Raffle at the MUD-Dev Conference, March 27th and 28th 2004 Ann
R: Moving toward Massive Multiplay (was CongratulationsHorizons...) Ghilardi Filippo
Python script as stand alone MUD server... Jason Slaughter
- Python script as stand alone MUD server... Sean Middleditch
- Python script as stand alone MUD server... Alistair Riddoch
- - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Jason Slaughter
  - - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Sean Middleditch
    - - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Alistair Riddoch
      - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Kwon J. Ekstrom
      - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Alistair Riddoch
    - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Zach Collins {Siege}
    - - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Alistair Riddoch
    - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Alistair Riddoch
    - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Byron Ellacott
- Python script as stand alone MUD server... Mats Lidstrom
- Python script as stand alone MUD server... ceo
- - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Zach Collins {Siege}
  - - Python script as stand alone MUD server... ceo
    - - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Zach Collins {Siege}
      - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Byron Ellacott
- Python script as stand alone MUD server... Edward Glowacki
- - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Brian Hook
  - - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Sean Middleditch
    - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Frank Crowell
- Python script as stand alone MUD server... Byron Ellacott
- - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Mike Shaver
  - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Alistair Riddoch
- Python script as stand alone MUD server... Thomas Clive Richards
- - Python script as stand alone MUD server... Zach Collins {Siege}
[BIZ] Apparent acquisition of Yantis (mysupersales) by IDE Rudy Fink
- [BIZ] Apparent acquisition of Yantis (mysupersales) by IDE Bruce Mitchener
Meaning and entertainment - Farming and FedExing (was Do players enjoy farming?) Michael Sellers
Power games Ana Valdés
- Power games Mats Lidstrom
- - Power games Ana Valdés
- Power games Byron Ellacott
- - Power games Ana Valdés
Mage 2 Mage gbtmud
- Mage 2 Mage Travis Casey
Interpersonal Relations in Virtual Worlds Brad King
- Interpersonal Relations in Virtual Worlds Chris
- Interpersonal Relations in Virtual Worlds Nick Yee
- Interpersonal Relations in Virtual Worlds Paul Schwanz
- Interpersonal Relations in Virtual Worlds Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Interpersonal Relations in Virtual Worlds Lee Faris
Platform choice Gary Whitten
MUD client popularity Brian Hook
- MUD client popularity Frank Crowell
- MUD client popularity Ammon Lauritzen
- - MUD client popularity Brian Hook
  - - MUD client popularity Rayzam
    - - MUD client popularity Brian Hook
      - MUD client popularity Rayzam
    - MUD client popularity Edward Glowacki
    - - MUD client popularity J C Lawrence
      - MUD client popularity Edward Glowacki
  - MUD client popularity Travis Casey
  - - MUD client popularity Ammon Lauritzen
    - MUD client popularity Byron Ellacott
    - - MUD client popularity Frank Fisher
    - MUD client popularity ceo
    - MUD client popularity Edward Glowacki
    - - MUD client popularity Emil Nilimaa
      - MUD client popularity Tom "cro" Gordon
        MUD client popularity Edward Glowacki
    - MUD client popularity Sean Middleditch
    - - MUD client popularity Zach Collins {Siege}
      - MUD client popularity Sean Middleditch
- MUD client popularity Alistair Riddoch
- MUD client popularity Byron Ellacott
- MUD client popularity Brian Hook
- MUD client popularity Brian Hook
- - MUD client popularity Sean Middleditch
  - MUD client popularity Edward Glowacki
  - MUD client popularity Brent P. Newhall
SMOG - small multiuser online game Frank Crowell
- SMOG - small multiuser online game Miroslav Silovic
- - SMOG - small multiuser online game Frank Crowell
- SMOG - small multiuser online game Crosbie Fitch
- - SMOG - small multiuser online game Frank Crowell
  - SMOG - small multiuser online game Byron Ellacott
  - - SMOG - small multiuser online game Crosbie Fitch
- SMOG - small multiuser online game Byron Ellacott
- - SMOG - small multiuser online game Tom "cro" Gordon
  - SMOG - small multiuser online game Crosbie Fitch
- SMOG - small multiuser online game Crosbie Fitch
- - SMOG - small multiuser online game maddog
[BUS] How to build an MMOG... ceo
[DGN] Subjective randomness (was: The psychology of random numbers) Robert Zubek
- [DGN] Subjective randomness (was: The psychology of random numbers) Felix A. Croes
- - [DGN] Subjective randomness (was: The psychology of random numbers) Sean Kelly
Solutions for smarter NPCs Björn Morén
- Solutions for smarter NPCs ext.Christer.Enfors@tietoenator.com
- - Solutions for smarter NPCs info@castwide.com
- Solutions for smarter NPCs Kirinyaga
- - Solutions for smarter NPCs Vincent Archer
  - - Solutions for smarter NPCs Valerio Santinelli
    - Solutions for smarter NPCs Olivier Lejade
    - - Solutions for smarter NPCs Kirinyaga
      - Solutions for smarter NPCs Olivier Lejade
- Solutions for smarter NPCs Michael Sellers