June 2002
- In defense of "soloability" ceo@grexengine.com
- In defense of "soloability" Coyote
- Article: Furniture Whores and Debit Card Toilets J C Lawrence
- Multithreaded sockets Draymoor a Vin il'Rogina
- Multithreaded sockets Sean Kelly
- Multithreaded sockets szii@sziisoft.com
- Multithreaded sockets Bruce Mitchener
- Multithreaded sockets Dave Richards
- Multithreaded sockets shren
- Fwd: programming books Thomas Leavitt
- ADMIN: MIME and this list J C Lawrence
- Striving for originality Matt Chatterley
- Striving for originality Sasha Hart
- Striving for originality Matt Chatterley
- Striving for originality szii@sziisoft.com
- Striving for originality shren
- Striving for originality John Buehler
- Striving for originality John Bertoglio
- Striving for originality Edward Glowacki
- Striving for originality John Bertoglio
- Striving for originality Kwon Ekstrom
- Striving for originality Damion Schubert
- Striving for originality Matt Chatterley
- Striving for originality Matt Mihaly
- Striving for originality John A. Bertoglio
- Striving for originality Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Striving for originality Damion Schubert
- Striving for originality Rudy Fink
- Striving for originality shren
- Striving for originality John Buehler
- Striving for originality Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Striving for originality John Buehler
- Striving for originality shren
- Striving for originality Matt Mihaly
- Striving for originality John Buehler
- Striving for originality Travis Casey
- Striving for originality Matt Mihaly
- Striving for originality Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Striving for originality Rudy Fink
- Striving for originality Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Striving for originality Damion Schubert
- Striving for originality Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Striving for originality Edward Glowacki
- Striving for originality shren
- Striving for originality Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Striving for originality Matt Mihaly
- Striving for originality John Buehler
- Striving for originality shren
- Striving for originality Matt Mihaly
- Striving for originality Ron Gabbard
- Striving for originality Matt Mihaly
- Striving for originality caduvall@glue.umd.edu
- Striving for originality Matt Mihaly
- Striving for originality Rayzam
- Striving for originality Travis Casey
- Striving for originality Matt Chatterley
- Striving for originality Kwon Ekstrom
- Striving for originality Matt Mihaly
- Striving for originality Edward Glowacki
- Striving for originality Kwon Ekstrom
- Striving for originality Edward Glowacki
- Striving for originality Kwon Ekstrom
- Striving for originality Matt Mihaly
- Striving for originality Edward Glowacki
- Striving for originality Michael Tresca
- Striving for originality Rayzam
- Striving for originality Kwon Ekstrom
- Striving for originality Matt Mihaly
- Striving for originality Travis Casey
- Striving for originality Matt Chatterley
- Striving for originality Travis Casey
- Striving for originality Matt Chatterley
- Striving for originality szii@sziisoft.com
- Striving for originality Kwon Ekstrom
- Striving for originality Matt Mihaly
- Striving for originality Kwon Ekstrom
- Striving for originality Matt Mihaly
- Striving for originality Kwon Ekstrom
- Striving for originality Matt Mihaly
- Striving for originality Matt Mihaly
- Striving for originality szii@sziisoft.com
- Striving for originality Matt Chatterley
- Striving for originality Fred Clift
- Striving for originality Matt Chatterley
- Striving for originality Matt Mihaly
- Striving for originality Damion Schubert
- Striving for originality Marian Griffith
- Striving for originality Matt Chatterley
- Striving for originality Matt Mihaly
- Striving for originality szii@sziisoft.com
- Striving for originality Matt Mihaly
- Striving for originality Sanvean
- Striving for originality Matt Chatterley
- Striving for originality Travis Casey
- Striving for originality Robin Cloutman
- Striving for originality Matt Chatterley
- Striving for originality Freeman, Jeff
- Striving for originality shren
- Memory Footprints szii@sziisoft.com
- Memory Footprints Matt Mihaly
- cloth simulation (was: What keeps people interested in social muds?) Bruce Mitchener
- ADMIN: Early thread death predicted J C Lawrence
- Offlist Matt Mihaly
- Cost/Benefit factor and The Player-driven World [ was In defense of "soloability"] Ron Gabbard
- Building community in social M**s Martin C. Martin
- Building community in social M**s Damion Schubert
- Brief point about Java memory management ceo@grexengine.com
- Creating Constructive/Social Behaviour in Online Worlds ! Marc Demesel
- ecologies and random encounters John Robert Arras
- ecologies and random encounters Paul Schwanz
- LEDO revisited (part 4) Frank Crowell
- LEDO revisited (part 4) Damion Schubert
- LEDO revisited (part 4) Frank Crowell
- LEDO revisited (part 4) Crosbie Fitch
- LEDO revisited (part 4) Frank Crowell
- software engineer: testing (was: [DGN] Creating a MUD) Bruce Mitchener
- software engineer: testing (was: [DGN] Creating a MUD) John Buehler
- software engineer: testing (was: [DGN] Creating a MUD) Miroslav Silovic
- software engineer: testing (was: [DGN] Creating a MUD) Damion Schubert
- software engineer: testing (was: [DGN] Creating a MUD) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- software engineer: testing (was: [DGN] Creating a MUD) Damion Schubert
- software engineer: testing (was: [DGN] Creating a MUD) Tess Snider
- software engineer: testing (was: [DGN] Creating a MUD) Bruce Mitchener
- Bug tracking Sanvean
- Bug tracking Matt Chatterley
- Bug tracking Ammon Lauritzen
- Bug tracking Jon Lambert
- Bug tracking ceo@grexengine.com
- The Business Side of Software Development [was R& D] Ron Gabbard
- LEDO update Damion Schubert
- LEDO update Frank Crowell
- Differentiation and The Marketing of MUDs [was R& D] Ron Gabbard
- Differentiation and The Marketing of MUDs [was R& D] Sean Kelly
- Differentiation and The Marketing of MUDs [was R& D] Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Differentiation and The Marketing of MUDs [was R& D] Koster, Raph
- Differentiation and The Marketing of MUDs [was R& D] Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- GC (was: New Beginings) Bruce Mitchener
- GC (was: New Beginings) Lars Duening
- Design iterations (Was: R & D) Brian Bilek
- Design iterations (Was: R & D) Sean Kelly
- Design iterations (Was: R & D) John Buehler
- Design iterations (Was: R & D) Jeff Freeman
- Design iterations (Was: R & D) Frank Crowell
- Design iterations (Was: R & D) Amanda Walker
- Design iterations (Was: R & D) Ron Gabbard
- Ticks? Anderson, David
- Welcome to the Jungle Jeff Cole
- LithTech Matt Mihaly
- Ownership Matt Mihaly
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) J C Lawrence
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Koster, Raph
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) shren
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Talanithus HTML
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) John Robert Arras
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Matt Mihaly
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) John Robert Arras
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Matt Mihaly
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Talanithus HTML
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) John Robert Arras
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) shren
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Vincent Archer
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) shren
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Travis Casey
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Michael Tresca
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) John Robert Arras
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Matt Mihaly
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) David B. Held
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Talanithus HTML
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Ron Gabbard
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Crosbie Fitch
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Talanithus HTML
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Zach Collins {Siege}
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Koster, Raph
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Matt Mihaly
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Brian Lindahl
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Sasha Hart
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Matt Mihaly
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Matt Mihaly
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Matt Mihaly
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Talanithus HTML
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Matt Chatterley
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Brian Lindahl
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Sasha Hart
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Brian Lindahl
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Matt Mihaly
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? (fwd) Michael Tresca
- Object Architecture Ben Chambers
- Object Architecture Kwon Ekstrom
- Object Architecture Sasha Hart
- Object Architecture Brian Lindahl
- New Beginings II [Not GC] Drylar Levre
- New Beginings II [Not GC] ceo@grexengine.com
- New Beginings II [Not GC] Sean Kelly
- New Beginings II [Not GC] Bruce Mitchener
- New Beginings II [Not GC] David B. Held
- Breaking down the walls Matt Chatterley
- Breaking down the walls Brian Lindahl
- Breaking down the walls Acius
- Breaking down the walls Brian Lindahl
- Breaking down the walls Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
- Breaking down the walls Bruce Mitchener
- Breaking down the walls Brian Lindahl
- Breaking down the walls Crosbie Fitch
- Breaking down the walls Brian Lindahl
- Breaking down the walls Nathan F. Yospe
- Breaking down the walls shren
- Breaking down the walls Jeff Lindsey
- Breaking down the walls Bruce Mitchener
- Breaking down the walls Zach Collins {Siege}
- Breaking down the walls Matt Mihaly
- Breaking down the walls Nicolai Hansen
- Breaking down the walls Matt Chatterley
- Breaking down the walls Brian Lindahl
- Breaking down the walls Matt Chatterley
- Breaking down the walls Brian Lindahl
- Breaking down the walls David B. Held
- Breaking down the walls Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
- Breaking down the walls Nathan F. Yospe
- Breaking down the walls Brian Lindahl
- Breaking down the walls David Clifton
- Breaking down the walls Matt Chatterley
- Breaking down the walls David Clifton
- Breaking down the walls Zach Collins {Siege}
- Breaking down the walls Christopher Allen
- Breaking down the walls Colin Coghill
- Breaking down the walls Rayzam
- Breaking down the walls David Clifton
- Breaking down the walls Marian Griffith
- Breaking down the walls Marian Griffith
- The Future of MMOGs... Brian Lindahl
- The Future of MMOGs... Talanithus HTML
- Object Architecture [Longish] Draymoor a Vin il'Rogina
- Object Architecture [Longish] David B. Held
- Object Architecture [Longish] Crosbie Fitch
- Character Attributes in Role-Playing Games J C Lawrence
- Evolutionary Design J C Lawrence
- Evolutionary Design Sasha Hart
- Evolutionary Design John Buehler
- Evolutionary Design Dave Rickey
- Evolutionary Design Derek Licciardi
- Evolutionary Design Koster, Raph
- Evolutionary Design Matt Mihaly
- Evolutionary Design Sasha Hart
- Evolutionary Design Madrona Tree
- Evolutionary Design Koster, Raph
- Evolutionary Design danc@anark.com
- Evolutionary Design Sasha Hart
- Evolutionary Design Paul Schwanz
- Evolutionary Design Sasha Hart
- Evolutionary Design Lars Duening
- Evolutionary Design Damion Schubert
- Evolutionary Design Koster, Raph
- Evolutionary Design Dave Rickey
- Evolutionary Design Brian Hook
- Evolutionary Design Jeff Cole
- Evolutionary Design Jessica Mulligan
- Evolutionary Design Jeff Cole
- Evolutionary Design Dave Trump
- Evolutionary Design Ron Gabbard
- Evolutionary Design Derek Licciardi
- Evolutionary Design rgabbard@swbell.net
- Evolutionary Design Jeff Cole
- Evolutionary Design Derek Licciardi
- Evolutionary Design Matt Mihaly
- Evolutionary Design Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
- Evolutionary Design Rudy Fink
- Evolutionary Design Matt Mihaly
- Evolutionary Design rgabbard@swbell.net
- Evolutionary Design John Buehler
- Evolutionary Design Derek Licciardi
- Evolutionary Design Richard A. Bartle
- Evolutionary Design shren
- Blacksnow vs. Mythic News Steve {Bloo} Daniels
- Blacksnow vs. Mythic News Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Blacksnow vs. Mythic News Steve {Bloo} Daniels
- Blacksnow vs. Mythic News Jon Lambert
- Blacksnow vs. Mythic News Rudy Fink
- Blacksnow vs. Mythic News Matt Mihaly
- Blacksnow vs. Mythic News Mark Eaton
- Blacksnow vs. Mythic News Matt Mihaly
- Is difficult communication the barrier to community in MMORPGs? (fwd) J C Lawrence
- Is difficult communication the barrier to community in MMORPGs? (fwd) Jeff Lindsey
- Is difficult communication the barrier to community in MMORPGs? (fwd) John Buehler
- Is difficult communication the barrier to community in MMORPGs? (fwd) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Is difficult communication the barrier to community in MMORPGs? (fwd) Koster, Raph
- Is difficult communication the barrier to community in MMORPGs? (fwd) Brian Hook
- Is difficult communication the barrier to community in MMORPGs? (fwd) Talanithus HTML
- Is difficult communication the barrier to community in MMORPGs? (fwd) Mark Eaton
- Is difficult communication the barrier to community in MMORPGs? (fwd) Patricia Pizer
- Enforcement [was Striving for originality] Matt Chatterley
- Enforcement [was Striving for originality] Tess Snider
- Enforcement [was Striving for originality] Matt Mihaly
- Enforcement apollyon .
- Enforcement Matt Chatterley
- Enforcement Anderson, David
- Enforcement shren
- Enforcement Anderson, David
- IF/MUD Gameplay Ideas Opacic Patrik
- IF/MUD Gameplay Ideas shren
- IF/MUD Gameplay Ideas David Clifton
- IF/MUD Gameplay Ideas Opacic Patrik
- IF/MUD Gameplay Ideas Rayzam
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? Amanda Walker
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? John Robert Arras
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? Talanithus HTML
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? Talanithus HTML
- Mudding and impact on academic grades Philip Mak
- Mudding and impact on academic grades Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Mudding and impact on academic grades Acius
- Mudding and impact on academic grades Fred Clift
- Mudding and impact on academic grades Michael Tresca
- Mudding and impact on academic grades Anderson, David
- Mudding and impact on academic grades Damion Schubert
- Mudding and impact on academic grades Draymoor a Vin il'Rogina
- Mudding and impact on academic grades David Clifton
- Mudding and impact on academic grades Eli Stevens
- Mudding and impact on academic grades Anderson, David
- Mudding and impact on academic grades Rayzam
- Mudding and impact on academic grades Koster, Raph
- Mudding and impact on academic grades Rayzam
- Mudding and impact on academic grades Kwon Ekstrom
- Mudding and impact on academic grades Matt Mihaly
- Mudding and impact on academic grades shren
- Mudding and impact on academic grades Anderson, David
- Mudding and impact on academic grades Colin Coghill
- Mudding and impact on academic grades Lars Duening
- Mudding and impact on academic grades Tess Snider
- Reality check ...(long) [was Black Snow Revisited] David Yazel
- BrendanLand Koster, Raph
- Skotos & WAP Release "Grendel's Revenge" for Public Beta Christopher Allen
- Skotos & WAP Release "Grendel's Revenge" for Public Beta Bruce Mitchener
- Skotos & WAP Release "Grendel's Revenge" for Public Beta Valerio Santinelli
- Skotos & WAP Release "Grendel's Revenge" for Public Beta Travis Casey
- Skotos & WAP Release "Grendel's Revenge" for Public Beta Christopher Allen
- Amazing list.... Talanithus HTML
- Reinventing the Wheel (was: Object Architecture [Longish]) Philip Loguinov {Draymoor}
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? Amanda Walker
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? Koster, Raph
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? Amanda Walker
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? Frank Crowell
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? Amanda Walker
- The Future of MMOGs... what's next? John Robert Arras
- Underlight (fwd) Matt Mihaly
- Underlight (fwd) Bruce Mitchener
- Underlight (fwd) Brian Lindahl
- Underlight (fwd) Koster, Raph
- Underlight (fwd) Brian Hook
- Underlight (fwd) Damion Schubert
- Building a 'Deeper' MMOG [was The Future of MMOGs... what's next?] Ron Gabbard
- Cg - Lowering the cost of 3D games? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Cg - Lowering the cost of 3D games? Brian Hook
- Cg - Lowering the cost of 3D games? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Cg - Lowering the cost of 3D games? Frank Crowell
- Cg - Lowering the cost of 3D games? Rayzam
- Building a 'Deeper' MMOG Brian Lindahl
- Building a 'Deeper' MMOG rgabbard@swbell.net
- Building a 'Deeper' MMOG Brian Lindahl
- Building a 'Deeper' MMOG rgabbard@swbell.net
- Building a 'Deeper' MMOG Brian Lindahl
- Building a 'Deeper' MMOG Ron Gabbard
- Building a 'Deeper' MMOG Brian Lindahl
- Building a 'Deeper' MMOG Ron Gabbard
- Building a 'Deeper' MMOG Marian Griffith
- Building a 'Deeper' MMOG Travis Casey
- Building a 'Deeper' MMOG lynx@lynx.purrsia.com
- Building a 'Deeper' MMOG Ron Gabbard
- Building a 'Deeper' MMOG Marian Griffith
- Building a 'Deeper' MMOG Paul Schwanz
- Building a 'Deeper' MMOG Amanda Walker
- Building a 'Deeper' MMOG Damion Schubert
- Building a 'Deeper' MMOG [was The Future of MMOGs... what's next?] David B. Held
- Relaunching a MUD? Kent Peterson
- Relaunching a MUD? Matt Mihaly
- Relaunching a MUD? Malcolm Tester
- Relaunching a MUD? Damion Schubert
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Philip Loguinov {Draymoor}
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds David Clifton
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds John A. Bertoglio
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Jeff Lindsey
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Kwon Ekstrom
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Jeff Lindsey
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Kwon Ekstrom
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Anderson, David
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Kwon Ekstrom
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds David Bennett
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Michael Tresca
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Matt Mihaly
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Michael Tresca
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Sanvean
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Matt Mihaly
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds shren
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Dave Rickey
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Matt Mihaly
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Dave Rickey
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Damion Schubert
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Matt Mihaly
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Edward Glowacki
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Matt Mihaly
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Richard A. Bartle
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Matt Mihaly
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Blane Bramble
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Edward Glowacki
- Text Muds vs Graphical Muds Elia Mörling
- GDC 2002: Beyond Psychological Theory: Getting Data that Improves Games J C Lawrence
- Online gaming growth Matt Mihaly
- Online gaming growth Koster, Raph
- Some P.S. to the java/cross platform discussion... ceo@grexengine.com
- Some P.S. to the java/cross platform discussion... David B. Held
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) John A. Bertoglio
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) Koster, Raph
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) John Bertoglio
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) Richard A. Bartle
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) Stephen McDonald
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) Dave Rickey
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) Tess Snider
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) Kwon Ekstrom
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) eric
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) Valerio Santinelli
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) Vincent Archer
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) shren
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) Valerio Santinelli
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) Valerio Santinelli
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) Rudy Fink
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) Valerio Santinelli
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) Madrona Tree
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) Travis Casey
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) ghovs
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) shren
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) shren
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) Valerio Santinelli
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) ghovs
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) eric
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) Joel Palmtag
- It's About Time Department (Mule Characters) Sasha Hart
- Continuity of experience in movies Matt Mihaly
- Continuity of experience in movies eric
- Continuity of experience in movies shren
- Continuity of experience in movies Valerio Santinelli
- Continuity of experience in movies eric
- Continuity of experience in movies Valerio Santinelli
- Continuity of experience in movies eric
- Continuity of experience in movies Valerio Santinelli
From: "eric" <ericleaf@pacbell.net>
> From: "Valerio Santinelli" <tanis@mediacom.it>
>> From: "eric" <ericleaf@pacbell.net>
>>> And as soon as the old idea of the gamemaster/wizard/dungeon
>>> master being the active force in this is broken we may see some
>>> innovation in this regard. Thats actually why my interest in
>>> muds was recently rekindled, working on that exact topic right
>>> now.
>> I do not see plots in MMOGs a problem per se. The real problem is
>> providing the same quests to every player without breaking your
>> world. What I mean is something that Ted L. Chen discussed in a
>> previous post. If you're going to provide a plot that is related
>> to an NPC being kidnapped, you cannot provide the same experience
>> to every user. Let's call the NPC Mr. McDonald (thanks
>> Ted!). There's only one such NPC. If he's been kidnapped, only
>> certain players will go and investigate on the case. If another
>> player wants to join in, that's fine. But you cannot repeat this
>> same quest forever. It makes no sense.
>> That's why GMs are needed to provide quests.
> Not true. Who kidnapped Mr McDonald, and why? That is, what *is*
> the story here. Was it orcs, to eat him? Or maybe King Ivris the
> Red to force to devulge the floor plans of his enemy King Bulwark
> the Blue's castle? If there is a motive, then removing the GM, and
> letting players play orcs and Kings (or kidnappers) could
> reproduce this "quest" in a dynamic way. As for the notification
> of said event, if Mr McDonald was just a hermit living in the
> hills, its likely no one would even notice the kidnapping, if its
> the town sheriff and then you as a deputy will notice when Mr
> McDonald doesn't show up for morning muster.
You are making an assumption that your player base is willing to
build up the story. Or better yet, it's the players that are making
their own quests. That would be the best, but I think that this is
not realistic. In my experience, only a few players are really
interested in creating their own quests, most of them are simply
looking for pre-made tasks to accomplish to gather XPs or magic
items. What you're talking about would work well in a strong RPG
system with a playerbase made of avid roleplayers. What I see there
is that your players are taking the place of GMs.. isn't that like
having volunteering GMs?
>> This makes sense if you're aiming at continuity in your world. If
>> you're not interested in having a life-breathing world, you can
>> provide the same quest over and over for as long as you want
>> (thus having it automated), but to people living there it would
>> surely look old that every 2 hours Mr. McDonald gets kidnapped.
>> I still do not have a clear idea about how to provide fully
>> automated quests without being repetitive.
> Remove the automation and there ya have it.
Yes, that's a way to go, but to be able to let your world work
without automation, you've got to motivate your players to build the
world themselves. This also means that you're looking for a
percentage of users that are likely to be online for a long time,
and not the casual player. All this can be accomplished, but it's
going to take a strong effort from the world admins in the starting
phase of your game. Nothing that cannot be done, but I see it as an
harder task than it looks like.
>> But there sure will come a solution. The main problem I see is
>> that the game has to maintain a sort of knowledge base of events
>> happening in the world, and assign them a meaning. This way,
>> based on data related to events, characters, NPCs, etc.. it
>> should be able to make simple quests based on some guidelines
>> provided by the implementors. I am going to think more about
>> possible solutions to this issue.
> I don't think this is a problem. Players are more than able to
> pass news all by themselves. They also have the ability to choose
> their own feelings about a given subject. They can decide to take
> action or not. And given the oppurtunity, players will play the
> roles of hero and antagonist. That last statement was proven in
> the first age of multiplayer online games (that is until the
> implementors banned PvP).
> There is no other solution, you can't make any system to randomly
> create interesting events in a world. And by interesting I mean in
> the true sense of story, not what you currently see in
> games. We're basically in the black&white silent movie stage of
> development in gaming, despite the near realistic graphics.
You're right about both your statements. We're still in an early
stage of development for what concerns gaming mechanics, quests
building, UI, interaction, etc..
The perfect MMOG still does not exists, and it's going to be a long
way before we will get it. There are many design issues connected to
MMOGs that can go wrong when you release the game. Everquest, UO,
and all the other MMOGs are a good base for statistical analysis of
what worked and what not. This, put together with community
talkings, give us the opportunity to look after issues raised by
players. When you're playing, you want to have fun. The problem is
that what is fun for me could be not fun to you. People are
different. And in MMOGs you're trying to build a world where
different people with different interests, behaviours, etc.. are
going to live together, just like in real life. It's a tough task,
and we're not even near being able to offer a "very" good solution
to all the issues raised till now.
> I always face this question when I'm playing a game, or especially
> an RPG. This is me speaking: "Oh NPC Guldrag you lost your blue
> key? Yeah? So what, go find it, are your legs broke?", "Hi NPC
> Dria, no I won't deliever that message, and I think your are
> foolish for offering that magic sword to do so. Sell the sword
> then hire a kid to deliver the message and keep the other 90% of
> the gold.", "Hmm, NPC Yrreth the Mage let me tell you what I'm
> thinking. I stab you with this here sword, take your treasure map,
> find this treasure. And then ride my horse down to Certilde and
> pawn it. As for the tome of knowledge you want, I'll leave it
> there so you can haunt it once you are dead."
> Its like that supposed quote from Ford, "you can have any color
> that you want, as long as its Black". Remove the word NPC from the
> above and let all those be players and my responses could be
> used. As for why a player would want you to deliver a message or
> find them a magic tome, its likely they wouldn't without a more
> interesting story.
I can't blame you. I'm thinking the same. I've had a similar
experience while playing Morrowind. If you compare the efforts put
in developing 3D engines and those put towards the AI and most of
all at innovating an old way of building players-NPCs interactions,
you see that they are unbalanced. Providing players tasks and a
good storyline without forcing odd situations is not easy at all in
a computer game. We've got to face it. I think that this way of
interacting with players was ok when computer equipment was not
powerful enough to build complex AI. Today it seems that this is no
longer a problem. It's more of a design issue.
What I would like to see is:
Me: "Hey! Who's that guy roaming around the town looking in every
corner? What are you doing?"
NPC: "Hi sir, I've lost my blue key and I'm looking for it. But I
cannot find it anywhere, would you be so kind to help me?"
And the NPC would look around as you do. He won't be a static
character with a conversation and a script to reward you when you
bring him his key. And this solution would work well for single
player RPGs, too.
When you move to MMOGs you also have the chance of having player
make quests like this, but it all depends on the players, and you
cannot be sure of the quality of the results.
--
Valerio Santinelli
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