May 2002

• Random Resets John Robert Arras
• • Random Resets Kwon Ekstrom
  • • Random Resets John Robert Arras
• [MLP] The use of ecology models Rayzam
• Interesting things to do (was: Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD) John Buehler
• • Interesting things to do (was: Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD) Damion Schubert
• Apple WWDC? amanda@alfar.com
• • Apple WWDC? Nathan F. Yospe
  • • Apple WWDC? Amanda Walker
    • • Apple WWDC? Sasha Hart
      • • Apple WWDC? amanda@alfar.com
        • • Apple WWDC? Brian Hook
          • Apple WWDC? John A. Bertoglio
          • • Apple WWDC? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
            • Apple WWDC? Matt Mihaly
            • • Apple WWDC? shren
              • • Apple WWDC? Matt Mihaly
              • Apple WWDC? John A. Bertoglio
                "Matt Mihaly" <the_logos@achaea.com>
                > On Fri, 17 May 2002, John A. Bertoglio wrote:
                
                <cut stuff not relating to Linux>
                
                >> Linux: This is a wild card. There is a lot brewing under the
                >> surface in the Linux world. Linux is moving from a holy crusade
                >> to becoming a boring, stable and attractive platform for standard
                >> computing. The recent commiment of Sun to continue development on
                >> an Office alternative (Star Office) is just one of many things
                >> that could bring this platform very quietly into the
                >> mainstream. Of course, with Linux you buy some of the same
                >> problems as in the Windows world due to the large number of
                >> platforms. The killer app for Linux will be the $200-$400
                >> complete computer system. A machine like this CANNOT have a $100
                >> OS (read Microsoft). Every so often, I notice a Linux OS in a low
                >> end box in Fry's ads (my other retail benchmark). The activation
                >> code in Win XP will serve to further accelerate this trend.
                
                > Not to start any sort of tired Linux war, but I don't see linux
                > ever being a serious gaming machine. It remains almost entirely
                > unuseable by the average non-techie user, and I, at least, find it
                > to be a serious pain-in-the-butt even for a semi-techie like
                > myself. The user interface is akin to something designed by a
                > drooling moron with input from a sadist. (I can't even get my
                > floppy drive to work on one of my linux boxes, despite it working
                > fine in Windows.) Fantastic as a server, hopelessly crap as a
                > desktop machine for the average user, who presumably drives much
                > of the games market.
                
                The use of Linux I anticipate above is as an embedded OS used in a
                true appliance PC (which, I guess, by definition would NOT be a
                PC). The key here is cost. The OS in a true consumer can't cost very
                much. The cost multiplier varies according to product category but
                in consumer electronics it rarely less then 5 to 1 (that is, if you
                pay $10 for a part it increases the price by about $50 unless you
                are Steve Jobs and then you charge $100). I don't know what Windows
                sells for in mega quanities but even at $40, the multiplier above
                would require an additional $200 at retail. The machine I envision
                is probably a wireless device that looks like a keyboard and uses a
                TV as a monitor. It has a built in pointing device and sells for
                $100 or a little less. It might have a clip-on LCD screen option
                (assuming higher LCD yields with much lower costs), joystick/mouse
                ports and other options.
                
                Because the manufacturer has total control over the components, the
                Linux build is very custom (small) and tailored to the internals. My
                guess is that it works perfectly but is totally inacessable to the
                users (which means they also can't screw it up). Such an OS could be
                built into flash ROM providing instant on capability, an essential
                feature for a consumer device. What would make this machine fly is
                the ability of a company to give it away with an annual
                subscription. Or include it in the purchase of a HDTV product.
                
                ($100 is about the floor for consumer electronic devices. VCR's, DVD
                players, CD components all hit about $100 and bounce up a little,
                adding new features for the same price. The price will slip below
                $100 briefly but not stay for long. Ultimately, the plastic, steel
                and cardboard necessary to build any product of that size force the
                price back up. )
                
                My general point is not that Linux will become a major game market
                in desktop PC's. Matt is correct there. It is still a hackers
                playground/nightmare. But it is the only real alternative to Windows
                and eventually the price of Windows will eliminate it as a contender
                in the absolute low end where the true mass market is.
                
                John Bertoglio
                co-laboratory
                (503) 781-3563
                jb@co-laboratory.com
                www.co-laboratory.com
            • Apple WWDC? James Edward Gray II
        • Apple WWDC? Brian Hook
• Encouraging groups without grouping Brian 'Psychochild' Green
• Introduction and My solution to Powergamers, Treadmills, and Content Devaluation. Ken Raisor
• • Introduction and My solution to Powergamers, Treadmills, and Content Devaluation. shren
  • Introduction and My solution to Powergamers, Treadmills, and Content Devaluation. Gladimir
  • Introduction and My solution to Powergamers, Treadmills, and Content Devaluation. szii@sziisoft.com
• The audience is the medium. For now. John Szeder
• • The audience is the medium. For now. John Buehler
  • • The audience is the medium. For now. Damion Schubert
    • • The audience is the medium. For now. Ted L. Chen
      • • The audience is the medium. For now. Shane Gough
        • The audience is the medium. For now. Michael Tresca
        • • The audience is the medium. For now. Ted L. Chen
          • • The audience is the medium. For now. Marian Griffith
            • The audience is the medium. For now. Vincent Archer
  • The audience is the medium. For now. Damion Schubert
  • The audience is the medium. For now. David B. Held
  • The audience is the medium. For now. Ted L. Chen
  • The audience is the medium. For now. Marian Griffith
  • The audience is the medium. For now. F. Randall Farmer
  • • The audience is the medium. For now. J C Lawrence
  • The audience is the medium. For now. Frank Crowell
• Ownership of characters Jasper McChesney
• Explorers? (Was: Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies) Brian 'Psychochild' Green
• • Explorers? (Was: Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies) Matt Mihaly
• Befriending Critters (was: Random Resets) Arthaey
• • Befriending Critters (was: Random Resets) Rayzam
  • Befriending Critters (was: Random Resets) shren
• Questions about server design Ben Chambers
• • Questions about server design Michael Bayne
  • Questions about server design Sean Middleditch
  • Questions about server design Mike Shaver
  • Questions about server design Kwon Ekstrom
  • Questions about server design szii@sziisoft.com
  • Questions about server design F. Randall Farmer
  • • Questions about server design James Edward Gray II
  • Questions about server design Shane Gough
• Extensibility Ben Chambers
• • Extensibility Ammon Lauritzen
  • Extensibility Kwon Ekstrom
  • Extensibility Ben Chambers
  • • Extensibility "Christopher {siege} " OBrien
  • Extensibility Sean Middleditch
  • Extensibility Sean Kelly
  • • Extensibility John Buehler
    • • Extensibility shren
      • • Extensibility John Buehler
    • Extensibility szii@sziisoft.com
    • • Extensibility John Buehler
      • • Extensibility szii@sziisoft.com
  • Extensibility Mike Shaver
• Question: Any published research on Sims type game personae? susan wu
• • Question: Any published research on Sims type game personae? Robert Zubek
• [MLP] Why care about levels? (was: The use of ecolo Richard Woolcock
• [MLP] Why care about levels? (was: The use of ecolo gy models) Jon Lambert
• Component Design (was: Extensibility) Scion Altera
• [BIZ] Selling Stock (formerly Blacksnow revisted ) Robert A. Rice, Jr.
• Games are Hot. Period Michael Tresca
• • Games are Hot. Period Gladimir
  • • Games are Hot. Period Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
    • • Games are Hot. Period Freeman, Jeff
      • • Games are Hot. Period Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
      • Games are Hot. Period Koster, Raph
      • • Games are Hot. Period Vincent Archer
        • Games are Hot. Period Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
  • Games are Hot. Period Matt Mihaly
• fun Matt Mihaly
• [TECH] Shortest Path William Murdick
• [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Reconstruction Ted L. Chen
• • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Reconstruction John Buehler
  • • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Reconstruction Ted L. Chen
    • • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Reconstruction John Buehler
  • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Reconstruction Ted L. Chen
  • • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Reconstruction Eli Stevens
    • • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Reconstruction Jon Leonard
      • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Reconstruction Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
      • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Rec onstruction Robert Zubek
      • • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Rec onstruction ceo@grexengine.com
  • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Reconstruction Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
  • • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Reconstruction Ted L. Chen
    • • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Rec onstruction Koster, Raph
      • • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Rec onstruction lynx@lynx.purrsia.com
        • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Reconstruction Ted L. Chen
  • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Reconstruction Rudy Neeser
  • • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Reconstruction Ted L. Chen
  • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Reconstruction Matt Mihaly
  • • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Rec onstruction Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Reconstruction John Buehler
      • • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Reconstruction Ted L. Chen
        • • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Reconstruction John Buehler
        • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Reconstruction Mike Shaver
        • • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Reconstruction John Buehler
          • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Reconstruction amanda@alfar.com
        • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Rec onstruction Koster, Raph
        • • [TECH] Voice in MO* - Phoneme Decomposition and Rec onstruction Steve {Bloo} Daniels
• Combat with Style (was Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD) lynx@lynx.purrsia.com
• Playskins Koster, Raph
• People were talking about resets.. Anderson, David
• • People were talking about resets.. Sasha Hart
  • • People were talking about resets.. Anderson, David
  • People were talking about resets.. John Buehler
  • People were talking about resets.. Anderson, David
  • People were talking about resets.. Arnau Rossell=?US-ASCII?Q?=F3?= Castell=?US-ASCII?Q?=F3?=
  • • People were talking about resets.. shren
    • People were talking about resets.. Anderson, David
    • • People were talking about resets.. David B. Held
  • People were talking about resets.. shren
  • • People were talking about resets.. Anderson, David
    • • People were talking about resets.. Michael Tresca
      • • People were talking about resets.. Fred Clift
        • • People were talking about resets.. Lars Duening
          • People were talking about resets.. Michael Tresca
          • • People were talking about resets.. Rayzam
            • • People were talking about resets.. Matt Mihaly
  • People were talking about resets.. Tand'a-ur
  • • People were talking about resets.. John Buehler
    • People were talking about resets.. Leland Hulbert II
  • People were talking about resets.. lynx@lynx.purrsia.com
  • People were talking about resets.. Jason Murdick
  • • People were talking about resets.. Jeff Lindsey
    • People were talking about resets.. Ben Chambers
  • People were talking about resets.. Sasha Hart
  • • People were talking about resets.. David B. Held
    • • People were talking about resets.. Sasha Hart
      • • People were talking about resets.. Anderson, David
        • People were talking about resets.. David B. Held
        • • People were talking about resets.. Acius
          • • People were talking about resets.. Marian Griffith
• Question about copyovers. Anderson, David
• • Question about copyovers. Tand'a-ur
  • • Question about copyovers. Anderson, David
    • • Question about copyovers. Kwon Ekstrom
      • • Question about copyovers. Adam
        • Question about copyovers. Oliver Jowett
        • • Question about copyovers. Kwon Ekstrom
          • • Question about copyovers. Adam
      • Question about copyovers. Lars Duening
  • Question about copyovers. Jon Lambert
  • Question about copyovers. fred@clift.org
  • • Question about copyovers. Zach Collins {Siege}
  • Question about copyovers. Smith, David {Lynchburg}
• non-violent activities (was People were talking about resets..) Ammon Lauritzen
• References on personality and emotion models Robert Zubek
• Multimodal interface conference. Rayzam
• Hyperbolies R Us shren
• • Hyperbolies R Us Matt Mihaly
• TECH: Systems Administration Issues Thomas Leavitt
• Questions about ... XML as data format Adam
• • Questions about ... XML as data format Anderson, David
  • Questions about ... XML as data format Kwon Ekstrom
  • • Questions about ... XML as data format Adam
• R&D Matt Mihaly
• • R&D Dave Rickey
  • • R&D apollyon
    • • R&D shren
    • R&D Zach Collins {Siege}
    • • R&D Sean Kelly
      • • R&D Matt Mihaly
        • • R&D Sean Kelly
        • R&D Derek Licciardi
        • R&D Brian Bilek
        • • R&D Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
          • • R&D Brian Bilek
            • • R&D Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
              • • R&D Brian Bilek
          • R&D Damion Schubert
          • R&D Matt Mihaly
          • • R&D Brian Bilek
            • • R&D amanda@alfar.com
              • • R&D Brian Bilek
                • • R&D Koster, Raph
                  • • R&D Ron Gabbard
                    • R&D Amanda Walker
                    • R&D Frank Crowell
              • R&D Dave Rickey
              • • R&D Brian Bilek
              • R&D Matt Mihaly
              • • R&D Dave Rickey
            • R&D Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
    • R&D Jessica Mulligan
    • R&D Damion Schubert
• Conversation logs? Robert Zubek
• • Conversation logs? Rudy Fink
  • • Conversation logs? Vincent Archer
  • Conversation logs? Shane Gough
• DGN: Elastic Advancement in MUDs? Jeff Lindsey
• • DGN: Elastic Advancement in MUDs? David B. Held
• Building histories off civilizations automatically adam Martin
• ADMIN: Virii and mail forgeries J C Lawrence
• Hi from the Dragon Empire's CLM Peter Tyson
• Linux gaming ( was Apple WWDC? ) Kevin Mack
• [TECH] Preferred LPC replacement? Jeff Bachtel
• • [TECH] Preferred LPC replacement? Damion Schubert
• Who `owns' conversation logs? Joshua Judson Rosen
• The Online Gaming Life for Me! Michael Tresca
• Boredom Ben Chambers
• • Boredom Michael Tresca
  • Boredom Matt Chatterley
• Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility [was Boredom] Ron Gabbard
• • Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility [was Boredom] Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• "MMOG" Bible Brian 'Psychochild' Green
• • "MMOG" Bible David Kennerly
• TECH: Single process v.s. multi process? Philip Mak
• • TECH: Single process v.s. multi process? Smith, David {Lynchburg}
  • TECH: Single process v.s. multi process? Bruce Mitchener
  • • TECH: Single process v.s. multi process? Bruce Mitchener
• In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Clay
• • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] apollyon
  • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishi ng Marginal Utility] Koster, Raph
  • • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Jeff Cole
    • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Damion Schubert
    • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] John Buehler
    • • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] amanda@alfar.com
      • • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] John Buehler
  • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Michael Tresca
  • • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Paul Schwanz
    • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Martin C. Martin
    • • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Dave Rickey
      • • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Vincent Archer
      • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Sanvean
      • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Matt Mihaly
      • • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] F. Randall Farmer
        • • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Matt Mihaly
      • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Michael Tresca
  • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Kwon Ekstrom
  • • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Marian Griffith
    • • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Yannick Jean
      • • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Marian Griffith
  • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Ron Gabbard
  • • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Sean Kelly
    • • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Ron Gabbard
      • • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Sean Kelly
        • In defense of "soloability" [was Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility] Matt Mihaly
• Game shows Peter Tyson
• What keeps people interested in social muds? Martin C. Martin
• • What keeps people interested in social muds? Rudy Fink
  • • What keeps people interested in social muds? Martin C. Martin
    • • What keeps people interested in social muds? Joshua Judson Rosen
  • What keeps people interested in social muds? Ron Gabbard
  • What keeps people interested in social muds? Marc Bowden
  • What keeps people interested in social muds? Joshua Judson Rosen
  • • What keeps people interested in social muds? Matt Owen
  • What keeps people interested in social muds? lynx@lynx.purrsia.com
  • What keeps people interested in social muds? Richard A. Bartle
  • • What keeps people interested in social muds? Martin C. Martin
  • What keeps people interested in social muds? Richard A. Bartle
• New Beginings Drylar Levre
• • New Beginings Acius
  • New Beginings ceo@grexengine.com
  • • New Beginings Bruce Mitchener
    • New Beginings David B. Held
    • • New Beginings Kwon Ekstrom
      • • New Beginings David B. Held
        • • New Beginings Kwon Ekstrom
          • New Beginings Sean Kelly
      • New Beginings Lars Duening
      • • New Beginings David B. Held
        • • New Beginings Lars Duening
      • New Beginings Bruce Mitchener
      • • New Beginings David B. Held
        • • New Beginings Kwon Ekstrom
          • New Beginings Paul Schwanz
          • • New Beginings Zach Collins {Siege}
          • New Beginings Miroslav Silovic
        • New Beginings David B. Held
  • New Beginings Draymoor a Vin il'Rogina
  • New Beginings David B. Held
  • • New Beginings Kwon Ekstrom
    • New Beginings Bruce Mitchener
• [DGN] Creating a MUD Richard Krush
• • [DGN] Creating a MUD Acius
  • [DGN] Creating a MUD Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • • [DGN] Creating a MUD Edward Glowacki
    • • [DGN] Creating a MUD Kwon Ekstrom
  • [DGN] Creating a MUD Edward Glowacki
  • • [DGN] Creating a MUD Fred Clift
    • • [DGN] Creating a MUD David Bennett
      • • [DGN] Creating a MUD fred@clift.org
  • [DGN] Creating a MUD Damion Schubert
  • • [DGN] Creating a MUD Taylor
  • [DGN] Creating a MUD Matt Mihaly
  • • [DGN] Creating a MUD Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
• On the creation of constructive/social behaviours in online games! Marc Demesel
• [DGN] MUD Books James Edward Gray II
• • [DGN] MUD Books Scion Altera
  • [DGN] MUD Books Jeremy Noetzelman
  • [DGN] MUD Books Tand'a-ur
• Positive reinforcement for socializing [was In de fense of "soloability" ] Jeff Lindsey
• Character skill distribution and trade-offs Ron Gabbard
• • Character skill distribution and trade-offs Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • • Character skill distribution and trade-offs Vincent Archer
    • • Character skill distribution and trade-offs Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • Character skill distribution and trade-offs John Buehler
    • Character skill distribution and trade-offs Sean Kelly
    • • Character skill distribution and trade-offs Ron Gabbard
      • • Character skill distribution and trade-offs Travis Casey
        • Character skill distribution and trade-offs Rayzam
• Space partitioning, R-Trees? Dread Quixadhal
• • Space partitioning, R-Trees? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • • Space partitioning, R-Trees? Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
  • Space partitioning, R-Trees? Crosbie Fitch