April 2002
- Black Snow Revisited holding99@mindspring.com
- Black Snow Revisited Tammie Gorzelsky
- Black Snow Revisited Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Black Snow Revisited holding99@mindspring.com
- Black Snow Revisited John Buehler
- Black Snow Revisited holding99@mindspring.com
- Black Snow Revisited John Buehler
- Black Snow Revisited holding99@mindspring.com
- Black Snow Revisited Marc Bowden
- Black Snow Revisited Blane Bramble
- Black Snow Revisited Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Black Snow Revisited Matt Mihaly
- Anyone got anything to say about swamps? shren
- Reality check ...(long) [was Black Snow Revisited] Jeff Cole
- Reality check ...(long) [was Black Snow Revisi ted] Koster, Raph
- Reality check ...(long) [was Black Snow Revisited] John Buehler
- Reality check ...(long) [was Black Snow Revisited] Jeff Cole
- Reality check ...(long) [was Black Snow Revisited] Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Reality check ...(long) [was Black Snow Revisited] Fred Clift
- Reality check ...(long) [was Black Snow Revisited] Brian Bilek
- Black Snow: The sky is falling? Robert A. Rice Jr.
- Black Snow Revisited Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Black Snow Revisited amanda@alfar.com
- Black Snow Revisited Matt Mihaly
- Black Snow Revisited Fred Clift
- Everquest blamed for suicide Talies the Wanderer
- Everquest blamed for suicide Jason Hart
- Death of a game addict Michael Tresca
- Death of a game addict Marc Bowden
- Death of a game addict Matt Mihaly
- Death of a game addict Dave Rickey
- Death of a game addict Patricia Pizer
- Death of a game addict Matt Mihaly
- Death of a game addict Larry Dunlap
- Death of a game addict David Kennerly
- Death of a game addict Brandon J. Van Every
- Death of a game addict quzah
- Death of a game addict Marian Griffith
- Death of a game addict Luke Parrish
- Death of a game addict Jon Lambert
- Death of a game addict John Bertoglio
- Death of a game addict Brandon J. Van Every
- Death of a game addict ghovs
- Death of a game addict Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
- Death of a game addict Richard Woolcock
- Investor Perceptions if BSI wins was( Black Snow Revisited) Derek Licciardi
- Black Snow Revisited Christopher Allen
- the design process Matt Mihaly
- the design process John Buehler
- the design process Koster, Raph
- Contract Law. Was: Blacksnow revisted Brian Bilek
- [DGN] [NEWBIE] Suggestions on (OO) Server Design. Pure Krome
- [DGN] [NEWBIE] Suggestions on (OO) Server Design. Sean Middleditch
- [DGN] [NEWBIE] Suggestions on (OO) Server Design. Kwon Ekstrom
- [DGN] [NEWBIE] Suggestions on (OO) Server Design. Sean Middleditch
- [DGN] [NEWBIE] Suggestions on (OO) Server Design. Kwon Ekstrom
- [DGN] [NEWBIE] Suggestions on (OO) Server Design. Sean Middleditch
- [DGN] [NEWBIE] Suggestions on (OO) Server Design. Kwon Ekstrom
- [DGN] [NEWBIE] Suggestions on (OO) Server Design. Greg Munt
- [DGN] [NEWBIE] Suggestions on (OO) Server Design. Kwon Ekstrom
- OpenCyc, design implications of ontological systems? Bruce Mitchener
- OpenCyc, design implications of ontological systems? Robert Zubek
- OpenCyc, design implications of ontological systems? Miroslav Silovic
- OpenCyc, design implications of ontological systems? Robert Zubek
- OpenCyc, design implications of ontological systems? Bruce Mitchener
- OpenCyc, design implications of ontological systems? Bruce Mitchener
- OpenCyc, design implications of ontological systems? Robert Zubek
- OpenCyc, design implications of ontological systems? Bruce Mitchener
- OpenCyc, design implications of ontological systems? Sean Kelly
- OpenCyc, design implications of ontological systems? Bruce Mitchener
- OpenCyc, design implications of ontological systems ? Robert Zubek
- OpenCyc, design implications of ontological systems? Bruce Mitchener
- OpenCyc, design implications of ontological systems? Joshua Judson Rosen
- OpenCyc, design implications of ontological systems? dmiles@users.sourceforge.net
- Methods to Foster Relationships? Nick Yee
- Methods to Foster Relationships? Jeff Lindsey
- Methods to Foster Relationships? amanda@alfar.com
- Methods to Foster Relationships? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Methods to Foster Relationships? Richard A. Bartle
- Methods to Foster Relationships? Sara Jensen
- Methods to Foster Relationships? Rayzam
- Methods to Foster Relationships? apollyon .
- Methods to Foster Relationships? Marian Griffith
- Methods to Foster Relationships? Peter Tyson
- [TECH] Shortest-Path William Murdick
- [TECH] Shortest-Path Bruce Mitchener
- [TECH] Shortest-Path Ben Greear
- [TECH] Shortest-Path Amos Wetherbee
- [TECH] Shortest-Path Richard A. Bartle
- [TECH] Shortest-Path Robert Zubek
- [TECH] Shortest-Path Miroslav Silovic
- Another Reality Check [was Black Snow Revisited] Dr. Cat
- Another Reality Check [was Black Snow Revisited] amanda@alfar.com
- Another Reality Check [was Black Snow Revisited] Matt Mihaly
- Another Reality Check [was Black Snow Revisited] Matt Mihaly
- Another Reality Check [was Black Snow Revisited] Matt Mihaly
- Another Reality Check [was Black Snow Revisited ] Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- [DGN] MUD developer's motives Brandon J. Van Every
- [DGN] MUD developer's motives Casbaria
- [DGN] MUD developer's motives Brandon J. Van Every
- [DGN] MUD developer's motives Dave Rickey
- [DGN] MUD developer's motives Koster, Raph
- [DGN] MUD developer's motives Brandon J. Van Every
- [DGN] MUD developer's motives Dave Rickey
- [DGN] MUD developer's motives Shane Gough
- [DGN] MUD developer's motives John Bertoglio
- [DGN] MUD developer's motives Patricia Pizer
- [DGN] MUD developer's motives David Yazel
- Black Snow Revisited Batir
- Black Snow Revisited - Value Of Time Dave Hochstaetter
- Black Snow Revisited - Value Of Time Brandon J. Van Every
- Black Snow Revisited - Value Of Time Dave Hochstaetter
- Fun in Games Paul Schwanz
- Fun in Games Koster, Raph
- Fun in Games Jeff Freeman
- Fun in Games Koster, Raph
- Fun in Games Paul Schwanz
- Fun in Games Brandon J. Van Every
- Fun in Games Jeff Freeman
- Fun in Games John Szeder
- Fun in Games Brandon J. Van Every
- Fun in Games Trickey, Rob
- Fun in Games Brandon J. Van Every
- Fun in Games Trickey, Rob
- Fun in Games Brandon J. Van Every
- Fun in Games Paul Schwanz
- Fun in Games Travis Casey
- Fun in Games Brandon J. Van Every
- Fun in Games Jason Booth
- Fun in Games Oreo Cookie
- Fun in Games John Buehler
- Fun in Games David Kennerly
- Fun in Games Paul Schwanz
First of all, David, thanks for a very thought-provoking response.
This level of intelligent discussion was precisely the goal of my
original post.
I now have the unenviable task of trying to clarify my perspective
without seeming to contradict Oscar Wilde, Sid Meier, Will Wright,
Stephen King, Tetsuyu Nomura, Yamauchi, and others. Wish me luck.
:P
From: "David Kennerly" <kallisti@tahoesnow.com>
> I. From the point of view of fun, the game designer's craft is the
> type of all the arts.
Possibly. I suppose this will depend quite a bit on your definition
of fun and of game.
> So fun, for here and now, is enjoyment where you directly impact
> the outcome at every move.
Is fun synonymous with entertainment here? If so, then I think we
are much closer to saying the same thing. In fact, I might have
described interactive entertainment in very similar words. It is
entertainment where you directly impact the outcome at every move.
For some reason, though, I see fun and perhaps even enjoyment as
subsets of entertainment. In other words, I think of some things as
highly entertaining while not necessarily being fun or even
enjoyable in a strict sense of the word. Was "Schindler's List"
fun? No. Was it enjoyable. Not really. Maybe it wasn't even
entertaining, but it sure was a Good Movie. How is this the case?
> I'm not claiming anything about the more general "interactive
> entertainment," just about games. For a definition of game, let's
> be practical. If it uses points, has players and rules, it's a
> game. It might be an elephant (or a service or a world or a
> community) too, as the overused parable "The Blind Men and the
> Elephant" goes (e.g.,), but it's also a game.
Whether or not it is an elephant is not unimportant, however, since
if it is an elephant, we might need to consider the veracity of the
following?
From the point of view of fun, the elephant designer's craft is
the type of all the arts.
Of course, we are concerned with MUDs and not elephant's, but I hope
you see my point. This does not mean that we should disregard what
we know about the connection between games and fun though.
> While musing on realism, virtual this-and-that, multi-protagonist
> storytelling, is fun for system architects, the art of game design
> is to produce what is fun for the player. Sid Meier cleverly put
> it several interviews since at least mid-1990s, if not earlier.
> He put it well an interview with Richard Rouse:
> "We have, amongst our rules of game design, the three
> categories of games. There are games where the designer's
> having all the fun, games where the computer is having all the
> fun, and games where the player is having all the fun. And we
> think we ought to write games where the player is having all
> the fun" (Game Design: Theory & Practice, Ch.2 p.40).
Yes, this was cleverly said. I include it because I want to refer
back to it later, but I need to make some other points first.
> Perhaps she was referring to some problem that Stephen King summed
> up pretty well when he recommended: Put your writing desk in the
> corner to remind yourself every day that Art supports Life, not
> the other way around (Stephen King. On Writing: A Memoir of the
> Craft. 2000).
I love this quote. Art supports Life, not the other way around.
But here is a great opportunity for me to clarify the point I'm
trying to make. I'm not saying:
Life should support Art.
Rather, I'm saying something closer to this:
The Life that Art supports can consists of much more than just
Fun.
Now we see why "Schindler's List" can be such a Good Movie, even
though it is not much fun or very enjoyable. It is about Life. Or
as Raph might say, it is a good portrayal of the Human Condition.
> These quotations approach a key limitation: the art of a game is
> not like the art of anything else. Focus on a game as a work of
> art.
I agree with this to a point. That is, as long as we are not saying
that the art of a game shares nothing in common with any other art
when stating that it is not "like" any other art, then I agree.
> A great game does not resemble any other media's great art.
[and later]
> Some say that many games do not approach the fine arts. That in
> itself is fine. But it's commonly coupled with an expensive (if
> you do this for a living) belief that a game's fine art
> approximates another medium's fine art.
Here, it appears that games are recognized as a medium of sorts. I
suppose a discussion on whether or not they are might warrant its
own thread. I certainly don't have any issue with recognizing games
as a form of expression for the purposes of this discourse. In a
previous post, I tried to make the point that different forms of
expression do indeed appear to have some things in common. Whether
or not this means they "resemble" or "approximate" other forms of
expression is another question I suppose. I'm having a hard time
bringing to mind any form of expression that is not capable of
exploring and evoking quite a wide range of different emotions.
Music can make me feel sad. A painting may evoke dark emotions. A
movie might make me cry. A ballet, an opera, other forms of
theatrical performace may cause anguish. A book might result in
experiencing a deep sense of loss. And all of these other forms of
expression seem to be able to evoke these feelings while remaining
Great Art. What sort of stilted medium are games that they cannot
do the same? Why cannot games be about life instead of only that
small subset of life that is fun?
My all-time favorite episode of ER was basically about the struggle
to save the life of a pregnant woman and her baby. The baby lived,
but the woman died. The father was left to deal with his grief
while trying to raise a baby alone. The episode was riveting. It
was poignant. But what if the writers had said something like the
following:
"We have, amongst our rules of writing, the three categories of
ER episodes. There are episodes where the writer's having all
the fun, episodes where the TV is having all the fun, and
episodes where the viewer is having all the fun. And we think
we ought to write episodes where the viewer is having all the
fun."
So which category does this ER episode fall into? If those had been
the design rules for creating ER episodes, would this one have been
created? But I'm grateful that the writers understood that it is OK
to use a medium to express things that touch on the deeper issues of
life, even when doing so isn't necessarily a Fun experience for the
viewer. This led to them writing a Good Episode. I'm not sure I
understand why a similar approach with a different medium cannot
lead to a Good Game. Especially when all other media seems to be
capable of touching these deeper issues.
Of course, it is possible that games are only a subset of some
greater form of expression that is concerned with player control and
entertainment. Perhaps a game is to this form of expression what a
comedy sitcom is to television. And maybe a MUD is another subset
of this larger form of expression. If this is the case, it seems to
me that there is much room within this medium for exploration and
expansion and perhaps MUDs are the Conestogas, making their way ever
westward.
> The greatness of the Drama is to expose the human condition and
> the nature of the social man. The greatness of the Game is to
> expose the human condition, too, but through a different medium.
> The Drama is a passive, dissociated experience. One watches. One
> feels, but one does not Do. The audience is not the actor.
Yet I can imagine a quite compelling Drama that is neither passive
nor disassociated in which the audience is the actor. It looks a
lot like a MUD. What do I call this thing? Is it a game? It is
highly interactive, highly entertaining, and highly immersive, but
it might appear to have more in common with Life and an exploration
of the Human Condition than with your generic Fun experience.
Certainly there will be quite a bit of Fun to be had, but as a
subset of Life.
> In the Game, the audience is at once the actor, also. Herein is a
> conflict of purpose. The author of a Drama may control the lives
> of the actors, indeed, he must. But no self-respecting player
> wants his actions controlled by any other mortal, who is actually
> another player.
I'm not able to make the same connection here at all. The last
sentence does not seem to follow logically from the rest of the
paragraph. It seems to me that we just jumped from a great
discussion on games to a personal opinion regarding PvP in MUDs.
That's not to say that you don't have a right to strongly state your
opinions in this regard. But maybe I'm just not understanding what
you mean by "controlled by any other mortal." I would say that in
chess, my actions are, in a sense, controlled by another mortal, but
maybe that is not what you meant. If you mean I don't want to play
a game of chess where someone else is moving my pieces for me, then
I agree, since it seems that I wouldn't be playing at all in that
case. But is it not possible to be entertained by something that is
highly interactive, but not necessarily fun?
> The artful game designer creates a tasty pizza.
Tasty? Yes. But which taste? Sour? Bitter? Spicy? Or must it
always be sweet to be tasty? Isn't the good pizza maker the one
that knows how to artfully put a lot of tastes together?
--Phinehas - Fun in Games David Kennerly
- Fun in Games Koster, Raph
- Fun in Games szii@sziisoft.com
- Fun in Games Koster, Raph
- Fun in Games szii@sziisoft.com
- Fun in Games Koster, Raph
- Fun in Games shren
- Fun in Games Talies the Wanderer
- Fun in Games Sasha Hart
- Fun in Games Koster, Raph
- Fun in Games John Buehler
- Fun in Games Brandon J. Van Every
- Fun in Games John Buehler
- Fun in Games Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Fun in Games Ron Gabbard
- Fun in Games Koster, Raph
- Fun in Games Ron Gabbard
- Fun in Games John Buehler
- Fun in Games Matt Mihaly
- Fun in Games Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Fun in Games Brandon J. Van Every
- Fun in Games Sasha Hart
- Fun in Games shren
- Fun in Games Damion Schubert
- Fun in Games Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Fun in Games Jasper McChesney
- Fun in Games John Buehler
- Fun in Games Ron Gabbard
- Fun in Games John Buehler
- Fun in Games Adam Dray
- Fun in Games Ron Gabbard
- Fun in Games Damion Schubert
- Fun in Games Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Fun in Games Tess Snider
- Fun in Games Koster, Raph
- Fun in Games Ron Gabbard
- Fun in Games John Buehler
- Fun in Games Brandon J. Van Every
- Fun in Games Paul Schwanz
- Fun in Games David Kennerly
- Fun in Games Koster, Raph
- Fun in Games David Kennerly
- What do game companies look for? Talies the Wanderer
- Black Snow Revisited Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
- Black Snow Revisited holding99@mindspring.com
- Black Snow Revisited Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
- Black Snow Revisited holding99@mindspring.com
- Thank you from MudWorld ucmm@inetsolve.com
- Re:Blacksnow revisited Norman Short
- Re:Blacksnow revisited John Buehler
- Re:Blacksnow revisited Paul Schwanz
- Re:Blacksnow revisited Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
- Re:Blacksnow revisited Kylotan
- Re:Blacksnow revisited Norman Short
- Re:Blacksnow revisited Matt Mihaly
- Re:Blacksnow revisited Joe Andrieu
- Re:Blacksnow revisited Matt Mihaly
- Re:Blacksnow revisited Damion Schubert
- G4 cable channel Koster, Raph
- G4 cable channel Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- G4 cable channel Koster, Raph
- G4 cable channel Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
- G4 cable channel Valerio Santinelli
- G4 cable channel Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- G4 cable channel John Bertoglio
- G4 cable channel Amanda Walker
- [MLP] NPC Complexity shren
- [MLP] NPC Complexity Eli Stevens
- [MLP] NPC Complexity Koster, Raph
- [MLP] NPC Complexity Peter Tyson
- [MLP] NPC Complexity shren
- [MLP] NPC Complexity Sean Kelly
- [MLP] NPC Complexity shren
- [MLP] NPC Complexity Sean Kelly
- [MLP] NPC Complexity Kwon Ekstrom
- [MLP] NPC Complexity shren
- [MLP] NPC Complexity Sean Kelly
- [MLP] NPC Complexity Kwon Ekstrom
- [MLP] NPC Complexity Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- [MLP] NPC Complexity Kwon Ekstrom
- META: What do game companies look for? Eli Stevens
- Reality check ...(long) [was Black Snow Revisited] Miroslav Silovic
- Virtual Societies Dave Rickey
- DGN: The Grand List Of Console Role Playing Game Clichés Michael Tresca
- MUDs and societal transformations Brandon J. Van Every
- MUDs and societal transformations shren
- MUDs and societal transformations Marc Bowden
- MUDs and societal transformations Brandon J. Van Every
- MUDs and societal transformations Koster, Raph
- MUDs and societal transformations Brandon J. Van Every
- MUDs and societal transformations Marc Bowden
- Reality check ... Dave Rickey
- Reality check ... Marc Bowden
- Reality check ... Vincent Archer
- Reality check ... Jon Leonard
- Reality check ... John Buehler
- Reality check ... Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Reality check ... Dave Rickey
- Dilemmas in a (game) designer's life ? Marc Demesel
- Dilemmas in a (game) designer's life ? Tamzen Cannoy
- Dilemmas in a (game) designer's life ? Brandon J. Van Every
- Dilemmas in a (game) designer's life ? Marc Bowden
- Dilemmas in a (game) designer's life ? Shane Gough
- Dilemmas in a (game) designer's life ? Brandon J. Van Every
- Dilemmas in a (game) designer's life ? John Buehler
- Dilemmas in a (game) designer's life ? Brandon J. Van Every
- Dilemmas in a (game) designer's life ? John Buehler
- Dilemmas in a (game) designer's life ? Sasha Hart
- Dilemmas in a (game) designer's life ? Brandon J. Van Every
- Dilemmas in a (game) designer's life ? Sasha Hart
- Dilemmas in a (game) designer's life ? shren
- [Biz] Games investment Peter Tyson
- Legal enforcement mechanisms (was Re:Blacksnow revisited) Jon Leonard
- OT: 1 free introductory post Dan Scott
- Client platforms for rapid development of experimental worlds Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Client platforms for rapid development of experimental worlds John Bertoglio
- Client platforms for rapid development of experimental worlds Zach Collins {Siege}
- Client platforms for rapid development of experimental worlds Bruce Mitchener
- Client platforms for rapid development of experimental worlds Bruce Mitchener
- ADMIN: Thread deaths J C Lawrence
- Player matching in MMOGs (was Blacksnow revisited) Brandon J. Van Every
- Happy healthy players (was Blacksnow revisited) Brandon J. Van Every
- Happy healthy players (was Blacksnow revisited) Kylotan
- Happy healthy players (was Blacksnow revisited) Brandon J. Van Every
- [MLP] The use of ecology models (was: NPC Complexity) Sasha Hart
- [MLP] The use of ecology models (was: NPC Complexity) Sean Kelly
- [MLP] The use of ecology models (was: NPC Complexity) shren
- [MLP] The use of ecology models (was: NPC Complexity) Talies the Wanderer
- [MLP] The use of ecology models (was: NPC Complexity) Sean Kelly
- [MLP] The use of ecology models (was: NPC Complexity) Paul Schwanz
- [MLP] The use of ecology models (was: NPC Complexity) Damion Schubert
- [MLP] The use of ecology models (was: NPC Complexit y) Koster, Raph
- [MLP] The use of ecology models (was: NPC Complexity) Sean Kelly
- [MLP] The use of ecology models (was: NPC Complexity) David Kennerly
- [MLP] The use of ecology models (was: NPC Complexit y) Mark Eaton
- [MLP] The use of ecology models (was: NPC Complexit y) Freeman, Jeff
- [MLP] The use of ecology models (was: NPC Complexit y) Damion Schubert
- [MLP] The use of ecology models (was: NPC Complexit y) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- [MLP] The use of ecology models (was: NPC Complexity) Matt Mihaly
- [MLP] The use of ecology models (was: NPC Complexity) Sean Kelly
- [MLP] The use of ecology models (was: NPC Complexity) Damion Schubert
- [MLP] The use of ecology models (was: NPC Complexity) Matt Mihaly
- Avatars/character stables (was: Black Snow Revisited) Jon Leonard
- [TECH] [DGN] Hyper-realistic MUD David B. Held
- Progress of MUD32 Matt Owen
- Japanese wireless MUD Peter Tyson
- How much is enough? Justin Coleman
- How much is enough? Brian Hook
- How much is enough? Justin Coleman
- How much is enough? Damion Schubert
- How much is enough? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- How much is enough? Brandon J. Van Every
- How much is enough? Damion Schubert
- How much is enough? Ron Gabbard
- How much is enough? Sean Middleditch
- How much is enough? Talies the Wanderer
- How much is enough? Sean Middleditch
- How much is enough? Kwon Ekstrom
- How much is enough? David B. Held
- How much is enough? Ron Gabbard
- How much is enough? Justin Coleman
- How much is enough? Matt Mihaly
- How much is enough? Vincent Archer
- How much is enough? Matt Mihaly
- How much is enough? Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
- How much is enough? Leverett, William
- How much is enough? Matt Mihaly
- How much is enough? szii@sziisoft.com
- How much is enough? Kwon Ekstrom
- How much is enough? Matt Mihaly
- How much is enough? Damion Schubert
- How much is enough? Sasha Hart
- TECH: Concurrent Process Based Mud (Somewhat Long) Eric Merritt
- TECH: Concurrent Process Based Mud (Somewhat Long) szii@sziisoft.com
- TECH: Concurrent Process Based Mud (Somewhat Long) Bruce Mitchener
- TECH: Concurrent Process Based Mud (Somewhat Long) szii@sziisoft.com
- TECH: Concurrent Process Based Mud (Somewhat Long) Bruce Mitchener
- TECH: Concurrent Process Based Mud (Somewhat Long) Eric Merritt
- Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD Tand'a-ur
- Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD Matt Owen
- Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD Sean Middleditch
- Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD szii@sziisoft.com
- Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD Crosbie Fitch
- Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD Tand'a-ur
- Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD John Bertoglio
- Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD John Buehler
- Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD Tand'a-ur
- Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD John Buehler
- Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD John A. Bertoglio
- Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD Sanvean
- Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD Crosbie Fitch
- Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD Damion Schubert
- Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD lynx@lynx.purrsia.com
- Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD Damion Schubert
- Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD Brian 'Psychochild' Green
- Player Accounts on a Non-Commercial MUD Damion Schubert
- Re:Re:Blacksnow revisited maddog@maddog.com
- Realistic Ecological Models, Differentiating Areas by Difficulty, and Socialization Ron Gabbard
- Realistic Ecological Models, Differentiating Areas by Difficulty, and Socialization Sean Kelly
- Realistic Ecological Models, Differentiating Areas by Difficulty, and Socialization Damion Schubert
- Realistic Ecological Models, Differentiating Areas by Difficulty, and Socialization shren
- Angry Gamer (was: Blacksnow revisited) Daniel Fischer
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Koster, Raph
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Sasha Hart
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Koster, Raph
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Madrona Tree
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Scott Jennings
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies John Buehler
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Dave Rickey
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies John Buehler
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Dave Rickey
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies John Buehler
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Dave Rickey
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Rayzam
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies John Buehler
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Clay
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Damion Schubert
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Freeman, Jeff
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Nick Yee
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies John Buehler
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Nicholas Yee
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies John Buehler
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Richard A. Bartle
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies John Buehler
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Richard A. Bartle
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies John Buehler
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Steve {Bloo} Daniels
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Richard A. Bartle
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Steve {Bloo} Daniels
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Richard A. Bartle
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Marian Griffith
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Richard A. Bartle
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Marian Griffith
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies shren
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Dave Rickey
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Brad McQuaid
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies John Buehler
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Dave Rickey
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Matt Mihaly
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Richard Woolcock
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Madrona Tree
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Richard A. Bartle
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Madrona Tree
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Freeman, Jeff
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Richard A. Bartle
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Matt Mihaly
- Codename Blue & Facets - Nick Yee's new studies Richard A. Bartle
- [TECH] Preloading path information William Murdick
- [TECH] Preloading path information Kevin Mack
- [TECH] Follow-up to Shortest Path William Murdick
- Fun in Games (Long) Ron Gabbard
- Fun in Games (Long) Brandon J. Van Every
- Games are not speech? Koster, Raph
- Games are not speech? Jeff Cole
- Games are not speech? Sean Kelly
- Games are not speech? Dave Rickey
- Games are not speech? Ron Gabbard
- Games are not speech? Crosbie Fitch
- How much is enough? Communication design Ron Gabbard
- How much is enough? Communication design Miroslav Silovic
- How much is enough? Communication design David B. Held
- How much is enough? Communication design Travis Casey
- How much is enough? Communication design Ben Chambers
- How much is enough? Communication design Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- How much is enough? Communication design Damion Schubert
- How much is enough? Communication design Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- How much is enough? Communication design shren
- How much is enough? Communication design John Buehler
- How much is enough? Communication design Damion Schubert
- The quandry of mob combat in MUDs Peter Tyson
- The quandry of mob combat in MUDs Sean Kelly
- The quandry of mob combat in MUDs William Murdick
- The quandry of mob combat in MUDs Ammon Lauritzen
- The quandry of mob combat in MUDs Adam
- The quandry of mob combat in MUDs Peter Tyson
- The quandry of mob combat in MUDs shren
- The quandry of mob combat in MUDs Kwon Ekstrom
- The quandry of mob combat in MUDs Damion Schubert
- The quandry of mob combat in MUDs Sean Kelly
- The quandry of mob combat in MUDs Edward Glowacki
- How much is enough? Communication design Sasha Hart
- [MLP] Why care about levels? (was: The use of ecology models) Sasha Hart
- [MLP] Why care about levels? (was: The use of ecology models) Sean Kelly
- [MLP] Why care about levels? (was: The use of ecolo gy models) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Realistic Ecological Models Sasha Hart
- Realistic Ecological Models David B. Held
- Realistic Ecological Models Mike Shaver
- Realistic Ecological Models Leland Hulbert II
- Realistic Ecological Models Sasha Hart
- Realistic Ecological Models Leland Hulbert II
- Realistic Ecological Models David B. Held
- Size of player-organizations Adam
- [Meta] [MLP] The use of ecology models (was: NPC Co mplexity) Koster, Raph
- The quandary of mob combat in MUDs Peter Tyson
- The quandary of mob combat in MUDs John Buehler
- Developing A Web Generator Kyndig
- Developing A Web Generator Kwon Ekstrom
- Developing A Web Generator John A. Bertoglio
- Developing A Web Generator szii@sziisoft.com
- Developing A Web Generator Derek Snider
- Powergaming (was How much is enough?) Jeff Cole
- Powergaming (was How much is enough?) Kwon Ekstrom
- Powergaming (was How much is enough?) Jeff Cole
- Powergaming (was How much is enough?) Kwon Ekstrom
- Powergaming (was How much is enough?) Zach Collins {Siege}
- Powergaming (was How much is enough?) Kwon Ekstrom
- Powergaming (was How much is enough?) shren
- Fun in Games (the Fun Dogma) Clay
- Fun in Games (the Fun Dogma) David Kennerly
- Fun in Games (the Fun Dogma) Ron Gabbard
- Skotos Cellular Automata Simulation System - a Technical Summary (LONG) Christopher Allen