December 2002
- Towards virtual worlds ... (and the failure of the current industry) Marc De Mesel
- Towards virtual worlds ... (and the failure of the current industry) Rayzam
- Towards virtual worlds ... (and the failure of the current industry) Dave Rickey
- Towards virtual worlds ... (and the failure of the current industry) Jon A. Lambert
- Towards virtual worlds ... (and the failure of the current industry) Richard A. Bartle
- Retention without Addiction? Paul Schwanz
- Retention without Addiction? Madrona Tree
- Retention without Addiction? Paul Schwanz
- Retention without Addiction? Ted L. Chen
- Retention without Addiction? Terrence Martin
- Retention without Addiction? Acius
- Retention without Addiction? Freeman, Jeff
- Retention without Addiction? shren
- Retention without Addiction? Matthew Dobervich
- Retention without Addiction? Koster, Raph
- Retention without Addiction? shren
- Retention without Addiction? Marc Fielding
- Retention without Addiction? Ted L. Chen
- Retention without Addiction? Marc Fielding
- Retention without Addiction? Damion Schubert
- Retention without Addiction? Sasha Hart
- Retention without Addiction? Dave Rickey
- Retention without Addiction? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Retention without Addiction? Marc Fielding
- Retention without Addiction? Koster, Raph
- Retention without Addiction? Sean Kelly
- Retention without Addiction? Matt Mihaly
- Retention without Addiction? Valerio Santinelli
- Retention without Addiction? shren
- Retention without Addiction? Valerio Santinelli
- Retention without Addiction? shren
- Retention without Addiction? sean@ffwd.cx
- Retention without Addiction? sean@ffwd.cx
- Retention without Addiction? Matt Mihaly
- Retention without Addiction? Valerio Santinelli
- Retention without Addiction? Amanda Walker
- Retention without Addiction? Matthew Dobervich
- Retention without Addiction? Dave Trump
- Retention without Addiction? Koster, Raph
- Retention without Addiction? Kwon Ekstrom
- Retention without Addiction? Sean Kelly
- Retention without Addiction? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Retention without Addiction? Freeman, Jeff
- Retention without Addiction? Brian Hook
- Retention without Addiction? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Retention without Addiction? Amanda Walker
- Retention without Addiction? Lars Duening
- Retention without Addiction? amanda@alfar.com
- Retention without Addiction? bradley newton haug
- Retention without Addiction? Jessica Mulligan
- Retention without Addiction? Matt Mihaly
- Retention without Addiction? Wes Connell
- Retention without Addiction? Matt Mihaly
- Retention without Addiction? Koster, Raph
- Retention without Addiction? bradley newton haug
- Retention without Addiction? Koster, Raph
- Retention without Addiction? Wes Connell
- Retention without Addiction? Freeman, Jeff
- Retention without Addiction? shren
- Retention without Addiction? Paul Schwanz
- Retention without Addiction? ceo@grexengine.com
- Retention without Addiction? Tom Hubina
- Retention without Addiction? Sage
- Retention without Addiction? Acius
- Retention without Addiction? Matt Mihaly
- Retention without Addiction? brian hook
- Retention without Addiction? Koster, Raph
- Retention without Addiction? Chris Holko
- Retention without Addiction? Koster, Raph
- Retention without Addiction? Matt Mihaly
- Retention without Addiction? Marian Griffith
- Retention without Addiction? Matt Mihaly
- Retention without Addiction? Paul Schwanz
- Retention without Addiction? Matt Mihaly
- Retention without Addiction? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Retention without Addiction? Sasha Hart
- Retention without Addiction? Ted L. Chen
- Retention without Addiction? Madrona Tree
- Retention without Addiction? Rayzam
- Retention without Addiction? Koster, Raph
- Retention without Addiction? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Retention without Addiction? Vincent Archer
- Retention without Addiction? Lars Duening
- Retention without Addiction? Eric Hu
- Retention without Addiction? Sasha Hart
- Retention without Addiction? Eric Hu
- Retention without Addiction? Sasha Hart
- Retention without Addiction? Ted L. Chen
- Retention without Addiction? Eric Hu
- Retention without Addiction? shren
- Retention without Addiction? Dave Rickey
- Retention without Addiction? Sasha Hart
- Retention without Addiction? Matt Mihaly
- Retention without Addiction? Paul Schwanz
- Retention without Addiction? Matt Mihaly
- Retention without Addiction? Ted L. Chen
- Retention without Addiction? Ted L. Chen
- Retention without Addiction? Koster, Raph
- Retention without Addiction? Sage
- Retention without Addiction? Madrona Tree
- Retention without Addiction? Clay
- Retention without Addiction? rayzam
- Retention without Addiction? Kwon Ekstrom
- Retention without Addiction? Jessica Mulligan
- Retention without Addiction? Amanda Walker
- Retention without Addiction? Jessica Mulligan
- Retention without Addiction? bradley newton haug
- Retention without Addiction? Sasha Hart
- Retention without Addiction? rayzam
- Retention without Addiction? Sasha Hart
- Retention without Addiction? rayzam
- Retention without Addiction? Amanda Walker
- Retention without Addiction? Marc Fielding
- Retention without Addiction? Matt Mihaly
- Retention without Addiction? Sasha Hart
- Retention without Addiction? bradley newton haug
- Retention without Addiction? Koster, Raph
- Retention without Addiction? bradley newton haug
- Gamespy - Mod Support in the Game World Frank Crowell
- Free FFT Christopher Kohnert
- Online Games Fighting Terrorism Dave Rickey
- Online Games Fighting Terrorism Koster, Raph
- Online Games Fighting Terrorism Dave Rickey
- Online Games Fighting Terrorism Marc Fielding
- Online Games Fighting Terrorism shren
- Online Games Fighting Terrorism Sean Kelly
- Online Games Fighting Terrorism Koster, Raph
- Online Games Fighting Terrorism amanda@alfar.com
- Online Games Fighting Terrorism Dave Rickey
- Online Games Fighting Terrorism Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Online Games Fighting Terrorism Vincent Archer
- Online Games Fighting Terrorism Marc Hernandez
- Online Games Fighting Terrorism Matt Mihaly
- Online Games Fighting Terrorism Andrew L. Tepper
- Online Games Fighting Terrorism Amanda Walker
- AI not worth doing in our games? Sasha Hart
- AI not worth doing in our games? Freeman, Jeff
- AI not worth doing in our games? amanda@alfar.com
- AI not worth doing in our games? Marc Fielding
- AI not worth doing in our games? Kwon Ekstrom
- AI not worth doing in our games? Freeman, Jeff
- AI not worth doing in our games? shren
- AI not worth doing in our games? Kwon Ekstrom
- AI not worth doing in our games? Sean Kelly
- AI not worth doing in our games? Sasha Hart
- AI not worth doing in our games? Freeman, Jeff
- AI not worth doing in our games? Ted L. Chen
- AI not worth doing in our games? Sasha Hart
- AI not worth doing in our games? Robert Zubek
- AI not worth doing in our games? David H. Loeser Jr.
- AI not worth doing in our games? Damion Schubert
- AI not worth doing in our games? David H. Loeser Jr.
- AI not worth doing in our games? rayzam
- AI not worth doing in our games? Marian Griffith
- AI not worth doing in our games? Damion Schubert
- AI not worth doing in our games? David H. Loeser Jr.
- AI not worth doing in our games? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- AI not worth doing in our games? Matt Mihaly
- AI not worth doing in our games? Damion Schubert
- AI not worth doing in our games? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- AI not worth doing in our games? Kwon Ekstrom
- AI not worth doing in our games? Matt Mihaly
- AI not worth doing in our games? Travis Casey
- AI not worth doing in our games? amanda@alfar.com
- AI not worth doing in our games? Damion Schubert
- AI not worth doing in our games? Sasha Hart
- AI not worth doing in our games? Christer Enfors
- Total Annilation of Downtime shren
- Total Annilation of Downtime amanda@alfar.com
- Total Annilation of Downtime Koster, Raph
- Total Annilation of Downtime Matthew Dobervich
- Total Annilation of Downtime Koster, Raph
- Total Annilation of Downtime Jessica Mulligan
- Total Annilation of Downtime Justin Quimby
- Total Annilation of Downtime Matt Mihaly
- Total Annilation of Downtime Amanda Walker
- Total Annilation of Downtime Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Total Annilation of Downtime Chris Holko
- Total Annilation of Downtime Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Total Annilation of Downtime Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Total Annilation of Downtime Amanda Walker
- Total Annilation of Downtime Wes Connell
- Total Annilation of Downtime J C Lawrence
- Total Annilation of Downtime Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Total Annilation of Downtime Sanvean
- Total Annilation of Downtime Matt Mihaly
- Total Annilation of Downtime Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Total Annilation of Downtime Matt Mihaly
- Total Annilation of Downtime Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Total Annilation of Downtime Eric Hu
- Total Annilation of Downtime Steven J. Owens
- Total Annilation of Downtime Eric Hu
- Total Annilation of Downtime Marc Fielding
- Total Annilation of Downtime Amanda Walker
- Total Annilation of Downtime Wes Connell
- Total Annilation of Downtime Marc Fielding
- Total Annilation of Downtime Matt Mihaly
- Total Annilation of Downtime Amanda Walker
- Total Annilation of Downtime Marc Fielding
- Total Annilation of Downtime Amanda Walker
- Total Annilation of Downtime Brad McQuaid
- Total Annilation of Downtime Amanda Walker
- Total Annilation of Downtime Brad McQuaid
- Total Annilation of Downtime Frank Crowell
- Total Annilation of Downtime shren
- Total Annilation of Downtime Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Total Annilation of Downtime Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Total Annilation of Downtime Freeman, Jeff
- Total Annilation of Downtime Vincent Archer
- Total Annilation of Downtime shren
- Total Annilation of Downtime Eric Hu
- Total Annilation of Downtime Amanda Walker
- Total Annilation of Downtime Matt Mihaly
- Total Annilation of Downtime Amanda Walker
- Total Annilation of Downtime Damion Schubert
- Total Annilation of Downtime Amanda Walker
- Retention without Addiction? (Koster, Raph) Dr. Cat
- MudDev FAQ - part I Marian Griffith
- MudDev FAQ - part II Marian Griffith
- But wait, there's more... Dave Rickey
- Where are raids from? Where are they going? Vladimir Cole
- MMOG Production Costs vs. Audience Growth (was Online Games Fighting Terrorism) Marc Fielding
- AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Brian Hook
- AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Amanda Walker
- AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Sean Kelly
- AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Damion Schubert
- Yikes Amanda Walker
- reputation system references Bruce Mitchener
- expansion packs Matt Mihaly
- expansion packs Marc Fielding
- expansion packs Wes Connell
- expansion packs Dave Rickey
- expansion packs Marc Fielding
- expansion packs Koster, Raph
- expansion packs Wes Connell
- expansion packs Eric Hu
- expansion packs Wes Connell
- expansion packs Eric Hu
- expansion packs Wes Connell
- expansion packs Eric Hu
- expansion packs Damion Schubert
- expansion packs Derek Licciardi
- expansion packs Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- expansion packs Marc Fielding
- expansion packs kressilac@insightbb.com
- (no subject) Kent Peterson
- (no subject) Rayzam
- New Scientist Article... B.Beuger
- New Scientist Article... Rayzam
- New Scientist Article... Marc Fielding
- Questing (was AI not worth doing in our games?) Vincent Archer
- Description Content was: Total Annilation of Downtime Wes Connell
- Complexities of Retention without Addiction? WAS Retention Without Addiction bradley newton haug
- Complexities of Server Implementation? WAS Retention Without Addiction bradley newton haug
- Pay for Item MMOG : Entropia article on Slashdot bradley newton haug
- Pay for Item MMOG : Entropia article on Slashdot Matt Mihaly
- Pay for Item MMOG : Entropia article on Slashdot Justice Ocker
- Pay for Item MMOG : Entropia article on Slashdot John Robert Arras
- Pay for Item MMOG : Entropia article on Slashdot Justice Ocker
- Pay for Item MMOG : Entropia article on Slashdot Marc Fielding
- Pay for Item MMOG : Entropia article on Slashdot Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
- Pay for Item MMOG : Entropia article on Slashdot John Robert Arras
- Pay for Item MMOG : Entropia article on Slashdot Damion Schubert
- Pay for Item MMOG : Entropia article on Slashdot Matt Mihaly
- Pay for Item MMOG : Entropia article on Slashdot bradley newton haug
- Pay for Item MMOG : Entropia article on Slashdot Wes Connell
- Pay for Item MMOG : Entropia article on Slashdot Damion Schubert
- Pay for Item MMOG : Entropia article on Slashdot Matt Mihaly
- Pay for Item MMOG : Entropia article on Slashdot Matt Mihaly
- Instancing, or Franchising? Dr. Cat
- Questions about my MUD design Christer Enfors
- Questions about my MUD design Peter Harkins
- Questions about my MUD design kressilac@insightbb.com
- Questions about my MUD design Wes Connell
- Questions about my MUD design eric leaf
- Questions about my MUD design Timothy Dang
- Questions about my MUD design Christer Enfors
- Questions about my MUD design marsian@desert-island.m.isar.de
- Towards virtual worlds (and the failure of the current industry) Marcdemesel@hotmail.com
- Persistent worlds in NWN (was: Retention without Addiction?) Matthew Dobervich
- Persistent worlds in NWN (was: Retention without Addiction?) Sean Kelly
- Persistent worlds in NWN (was: Retention without Addiction?) Matthew Dobervich
- Persistent worlds in NWN (was: Retention without Addiction?) Sean Kelly
- Persistent worlds in NWN (was: Retention without Addiction?) Valerio Santinelli
- Persistent worlds in NWN (was: Retention without Addiction?) Matthew Dobervich
- Persistent worlds in NWN (was: Retention without Addiction?) Valerio Santinelli
- Persistent worlds in NWN (was: Retention without Addiction?) Dubious Advocate
- Persistent worlds in NWN (was: Retention without Addiction?) Valerio Santinelli
- Persistent worlds in NWN (was: Retention without Addiction?) Dubious Advocate
- Persistent worlds in NWN (was: Retention without A ddiction?) Koster, Raph
- Persistent worlds in NWN (was: Retention without Addiction?) Dubious Advocate
- Persistent worlds in NWN (was: Retention without Addiction?) Zach Collins {Siege}
- Persistent worlds in NWN (was: Retention without Addiction?) Dubious Advocate
- Persistent worlds in NWN (was: Retention without Addiction?) shren
- Persistent worlds in NWN (was: Retention without Addiction?) Matthew Dobervich
- Persistent worlds in NWN (was: Retention without Addiction?) Dave Rickey
- Persistent worlds in NWN (was: Retention without Addiction?) Valerio Santinelli
- Complexities of MMOG Servers WAS Retention Without Addiction bradley newton haug
- Is database access a bottleneck? Prevayler. ra-whiteside@attbi.com
- Is database access a bottleneck? Prevayler. Kwon Ekstrom
- Is database access a bottleneck? Prevayler. Dave Rickey
- Is database access a bottleneck? Prevayler. Damion Schubert
- Is database access a bottleneck? Prevayler. Matt Mihaly
- Is database access a bottleneck? Prevayler. Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Is database access a bottleneck? Prevayler. Josh Goldshlag
- Is database access a bottleneck? Prevayler. shren
- Is database access a bottleneck? Prevayler. Marc LaFleur
- Is database access a bottleneck? Prevayler. Sean Kelly
- Is database access a bottleneck? Prevayler. Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Is database access a bottleneck? bradley newton haug
- Is database access a bottleneck? Koster, Raph
- Is database access a bottleneck? bradley newton haug
- Is database access a bottleneck? Ted L. Chen
- Is database access a bottleneck? Koster, Raph
- Is database access a bottleneck? Ted L. Chen
- Is database access a bottleneck? Sean Kelly
- Is database access a bottleneck? bradley newton haug
- Is database access a bottleneck? Amanda Walker
- Is database access a bottleneck? bradley newton haug
- Is database access a bottleneck? Robert Zubek
- Is database access a bottleneck? Ted L. Chen
- Is database access a bottleneck? Marc Fielding
- Is database access a bottleneck? Koster, Raph
- Is database access a bottleneck? Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
- Is database access a bottleneck? Koster, Raph
- Is database access a bottleneck? Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
- Is database access a bottleneck? Derek Licciardi
- Is database access a bottleneck? Amanda Walker
- Is database access a bottleneck? Dave Rickey
- Is database access a bottleneck? Amanda Walker
- Is database access a bottleneck? bradley newton haug
- Is database access a bottleneck? Sean Kelly
- Is database access a bottleneck? ceo@grexengine.com
- Is database access a bottleneck? Amanda Walker
- Is database access a bottleneck? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Is database access a bottleneck? Sean Kelly
- Is database access a bottleneck? Travis Nixon
- Is database access a bottleneck? Travis Nixon
- Is database access a bottleneck? Bruce Mitchener
- Is database access a bottleneck? Miroslav Silovic
- Is database access a bottleneck? Chris Holko
- Is database access a bottleneck? Amanda Walker
- Java Serialization ceo@grexengine.com
- Java Serialization Kwon Ekstrom
- Habitat papers? Richard A. Bartle
- Habitat papers? J C Lawrence
- Habitat papers? Koster, Raph
- Habitat papers? Damion Schubert
- Habitat papers? Richard A. Bartle
- Habitat papers? F. Randall Farmer
- Habitat papers? Richard A. Bartle
- ADMIN: Post formatting J C Lawrence
- Software Styles (was: Is database access a bottleneck) Kebernet
- Software Styles (was: Is database access a bottleneck) bradley newton haug
- Game industry (was Software Styles (was: Is database access a bottleneck)) Amanda Walker
- Wired Article on Reality Breakdown Dave Rickey
- Wired Article on Reality Breakdown Marc Fielding
- Wired Article on Reality Breakdown Wes Connell
- Wired Article on Reality Breakdown Marc Fielding
- Wired Article on Reality Breakdown Richard A. Bartle
- AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Brian Hook
- AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Marc Fielding
- AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Brian Hook
- AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Brian Hook
- AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Amanda Walker
- AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Marc Fielding
- AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Koster, Raph
- AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Dave Rickey
- AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Amanda Walker
- AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Valerio Santinelli
- AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Requirements for MM (was Complexities of MMOG Servers) Christopher Kohnert
- Requirements for MM (was Complexities of MMOG Servers) Wes Connell
- Requirements for MM (was Complexities of MMOG Servers) Dubious Advocate
- Requirements for MM (was Complexities of MMOG Serve rs) Koster, Raph
- Requirements for MM (was Complexities of MMOG Servers) Dubious Advocate
- Requirements for MM (was Complexities of MMOG Servers) Amanda Walker
- Requirements for MM (was Complexities of MMOGServer s) Koster, Raph
- Requirements for MM (was Complexities of MMOGServers) Jon A. Lambert
- Requirements for MM (was Complexities of MMOGServers) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Requirements for MM (was Complexities of MMOGServer s) Koster, Raph
- Requirements for MM (was Complexities of MMOG Servers) Matt Mihaly
- Requirements for MM (was Complexities of MMOG Servers) Martin Bassie
- Requirements for MM (was Complexities of MMOGServers) Corey Crawford
- Requirements for MM (was Complexities of MMOGServers) Dave Rickey
- Heightfield vs. mesh was AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime brian hook
- Heightfield vs. mesh was AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Marc Fielding
- Heightfield vs. mesh was AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Brian Hook
- Heightfield vs. mesh was AC2 was Total Anni lation of Downtime Hanz, Rob
- Heightfield vs. mesh was AC2 was Total Anni lation of Downtime Koster, Raph
- Heightfield vs. mesh was AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Christopher Allen
- Heightfield vs. mesh was AC2 was Total Anni lation of Downtime Koster, Raph
- Heightfield vs. mesh was AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Travis Nixon
- Heightfield vs. mesh was AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Dubious Advocate
- Heightfield vs. mesh was AC2 was Total Anni lation of Downtime Koster, Raph
- Heightfield vs. mesh was AC2 was Total Anni lation of Downtime Amanda Walker
- Heightfield vs. mesh was AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Valerio Santinelli
- Heightfield vs. mesh was AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Marc Fielding
- Heightfield vs. mesh was AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Valerio Santinelli
- Heightfield vs. mesh was AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Ling Lo
- Heightfield vs. mesh was AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Ted L. Chen
- Heightfield vs. mesh was AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Amanda Walker
- Heightfield vs. mesh was AC2 was Total Annilation of Downtime Zach Collins {Siege}
- Subject Skewage was: Total Annilation of Downtime Wes Connell
- Is database access a bottleneck? Amanda Walker
- Is database access a bottleneck? Jo Dillon
- Is database access a bottleneck? bradley newton haug
- Is database access a bottleneck? Jo Dillon
- Is database access a bottleneck? bradley newton haug
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Koster, Raph
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Lars Duening
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Valerio Santinelli
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Wes Connell
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Acius
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Amanda Walker
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Dubious Advocate
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Lars Duening
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Wes Connell
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Lars Duening
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Dave Rickey
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Travis Nixon
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Damion Schubert
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Travis Nixon
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Mike Shaver
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Mike Shaver
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Travis Nixon
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Travis Nixon
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Damion Schubert
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Michael Tresca
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Damion Schubert
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Kent Peterson
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Michael Tresca
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Michael Tresca
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Ron Gabbard
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Ron Gabbard
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Amanda Walker
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Vincent Archer
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Michael Tresca
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Damion Schubert
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Peter Harkins
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marian Griffith
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server John Erskine
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Vincent Archer
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server John Erskine
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Dubious Advocate
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Travis Nixon
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Damion Schubert
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server frosty@its.to
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Justin Stocks
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server rayzam
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Justin Stocks
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server rayzam
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Matt Mihaly
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Matt Mihaly
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Dubious Advocate
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Matt Mihaly
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Dubious Advocate
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Amanda Walker
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Dubious Advocate
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Matt Mihaly
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Matt Mihaly
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Matt Mihaly
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Ron Gabbard
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Michael Tresca
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Eric Hu
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server rayzam
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Madrona Tree
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Michael Tresca
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Ted L. Chen
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server rayzam
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server amanda@alfar.com
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Amanda Walker
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Eric Hu
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Madrona Tree
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Madrona Tree
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Dubious Advocate
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Michael Tresca
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Michael Tresca
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Matt Mihaly
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marian Griffith
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Michael Tresca
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marian Griffith
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Travis Nixon
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Sasha Hart
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Dubious Advocate
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Koster, Raph
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Dubious Advocate
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Vincent Archer
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Michael Tresca
- Star Wars Galaxies: 1 character per server Marc Fielding
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brian hook wrote:
> The thread on "AI" (that is way, WAY off subject now) got me
> thinking about a pet "problem" of mine -- the changing, variable
> nature of fun.
> This is something that has come up on numerous occasions, and to
> me is probably one of the oldest and hardest problems. I'm not
> talking about "what makes things fun", but the much harder problem
> of "Why is something not fun now and was fun before".
Here's just a proposal which is likely wrong on so many levels, but
might as well throw it into the wind.
Complexity | /
| Frust. / Fun
| / <-------
|----------+-----------
| \
| Boring \ Simple
L_____________\________
Mental Choices (t)
Now, complexity is a time-independent phenomena. You can say that
for each situation, it's by design (more weapon choices at lvl 40
than lvl 10 for instance). And as the game progresses, that
complexity is still the same.
The x-axis is the number of 'mental choices' that the player has in
each situation. I've prefixed 'mental' there because humans have
this great ability to learn by rote. It makes us more efficient
when the environment doesn't change, but it also makes us more rigid
in that we narrow our number of choices unnecessarily. This number
of 'mental choices' <= 'real choices'.
The changing nature of fun drops in when the number of 'mental
choices' decays. On the graph above, it will always move leftward
into either Frustrating or Boring, depending on which
pseudo-quadrant you start in.
So apply this to your examples below.
> "Forced Interdependence"
FI in the initial stages are fun. You get to try out an almost
limitless combination of groupings. After a while though, like you
said, you MUST have a cleric. Really, you don't, but your 'mental
choices' have already been truncated because of past experience, or
global lore.
> "Corpse Recovery"
Corpse recovery is also fun initially, especially at lower levels
where it usually happens in a very securable outdoors zone. In such
places, you can approach your corpse from any which way, and easily
get help from people slightly higher than you.
In the higher levels, you start getting your corpse dropped in
weird, hazardous places (hazardous to 99% of the EQ population).
Your 'mental choices' get reduced to blitz the corpse or leave it,
which admittedly isn't much of a choice when you're a high level
player running around in your undies.
> "Overcrowding"
Overcrowding simply ups the number of real-choices. If you haven't
formed into cliques, then that impacts your 'mental choices' on who
to talk to, etc. It's fun meeting new people. However, if you're
already in a clique or group, it has no effect other than to
increase complexity.
And looking at the graph again, I angled the boundary between
Complexity and Fun. I suggest that at some point, overcrowding
makes doing things so hard (i.e. lag, waiting lines, etc), that a
task no longer becomes fun.
> "Bad Guys Can't Interact With Good Guys"
Well, this one's simple in that when you NEED something and you HAVE
to interact with the good guys, then you don't have much choice
there.
The usefulness of the Bad-Good interaction is that it occasionally
forces people out of their established 'mental choices'. That is,
if you're bad and used to buying stuff from a vendor, all of a
sudden, you have to contemplate new methods of acquiring goods when
in good territory. Like you said, "they feel a sense of
accomplishment by beating this problem."
> "Down Time"
This is a complexity issue. It ups it by making you take into
account recharge time. Usefulness varies, based on where you are on
the graph above. If you're on the bottom half, then it might bump
you out of Boring just by adding that little bit of
strategy/resource management.
> The above are just some examples of things that are fun and not
> fun, and the level of fun depends entirely on the player and the
> situation. This is important -- NOTHING IN THE GAME CHANGED, BUT
> THE SUBJECTIVE ENJOYMENT ITSELF DID. This is a major issue.
> Games that naively try to "fix" the above end up losing a lot of
> personality.
I quite agree with you. I don't even think it is possible to fix
any system when you take in account people's behavior over time.
The graph has a nasty tendency to move left.
The Good-Bad interaction, and interaction with other players are the
only forcing functions I can think of at this time that bump it any
appreciable amount to the right. Also note that graph movement
seems to go faster laterally in the choices axis than it does in the
complexity. This is partially due to complexity being so closely
tied to the underlying game mechanic.
The usefulness of the graph is somewhat clouded. You can't pinpoint
where your game fits on it, since it varies by person and situation.
What it does allow though is categorization of design decisions by
their primary effects:
1) Retasking Forcing functions
------>
Increases your 'mental choices' without affecting task complexity.
You can class this as weak, mild, strong depending on how much
they can overcome the natural tendency to slide left. Most things
seem to fit the weak-mild category.
(eg level system and MOB difficulty balance)
1a) Intermittent Retasking Forcing functions
A subset of the above that is periodic or one time only.
Usually a pretty strong forcing function.
(eg Bad-good interactions, day-night/seasonal cycles)
2) "Bad designer, No Twinkie" functions
<------
Decreases the 'mental choices'.
Generally arises from setting 'goals' for the player.
(eg rigid crafting recipes, static dungeons, stringent level
requirements)
3) Hardness
^
|
Increases complexity through game mechanics.
Usually considered a bad thing unless you're in the bottom
half of the graph. Once you're in the top half, you want to stay
away from increasing hardness too much.
(eg. bad UI)
4) Simplification
|
v
Decreases complexity through game mechanics.
Use this if you've realized that a set of 'mental choices' has
been reduced to size one. Be careful to make sure that it isn't
a subset of a bigger one, lest you reduce that as well.
(eg. good low-level AI, auto-loot)
5) Holy Grail Forcing function
>
/
Increases mental choices AND complexity.
You probably would want this to be the foundation of your game
since it's the safest to implement and gives a good bang for your
buck despite whatever quadrant the player starts in.
Aside from that, you won't want to rely on it since it constantly
increases complexity, which indirectly ties to production complexity.
(eg. some weird bastardization of Chris Crawford's work? <g>)
You can have the other hybrid directions. It's useful to know they
exist but I think most things can be categorized by the above.
As a first-pass design method, you can list your features, then
start drawing arrows signifying direction, strength (weak, mild,
strong), and periodicity. Then start canceling out and see what
you're left with. You want to end up with something along the lines
of Holy Grail or at least Retasking.
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- Brand Loyalty (was Requirements for MM(wasComplexities of MMOG Servers)) Damion Schubert
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- Brand Loyalty (was Requirements for MM(wasComplexities of MMOG Servers)) Rayzam
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