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October 2002

MUD-Dev Storytelling in MMOGs article Joe Andrieu
terrain rendering (was: Future of MMOGs) Bruce Mitchener
Furcadia improvement (was: Massive Online Gaming magazine) Zach Collins {Siege}
MudWorld News ucmm@inetsolve.com
Furcadia improvement Dr. Cat
- Furcadia improvement Ling Lo
Inside the Serious Business of Online Gaming Michael Tresca
Fw: [Nel] Would a complete gpl'ed and copylefted online gaming world be financialy succes? Valerio Santinelli
Would a complete gpl'ed and copylefted online gaming world be financialy succes? Marc De Mesel

In reply to the post that Valerio Santinelli forwarded (for which I
thank you Valerio, I was happily surprised seeing myself 'quoted' on
the mud-dev mailinglist :-)) I am bringing the argument that
completely gpl'ed online worlds (next to the engine also the art as
well as the brand) could be a successfull business opportunity.

I see no difference between the reasons why someone would gpl their
engine as for the reasons why someone would gpl their art or brand

Here goes the reasoning,

Firstly let us analyse the possible reasons why the nevrax founder,
Olivier Lejade chose to gpl license their expensive and state of the
art MMORPG engine (correct me if I'm wrong).

- Ideoligical, we think making the engine available to the
community will accelerate the production of fantastic online
worlds in general. ( because if the necesary technology to make
such an online worlds is easily available to be used without
restrictions, more people will be able to make graphical online
worlds. You will get more variation and thus higher quality which
will draw more public to the online worlds in general. Advantage
to nevrax: Since online worlds is nevrax's future business they
will prosper from bigger audience interested in new online worlds.

- Marketing, people will get to know our project (Ryzom) better
thanks to the attention their gpl'ed mmorpg engine gets, so
probably more subscribers their Ryzom world than if they would not
take the decision to gpl the engine.

- Future competetive advantage, since other people will use the
engine they will probably make him better too so that we for our
next project will have the best engine available, and will be able
to do the most with it as we understand the engine and his
possibilities the best.

So what would happen if you gpl'ed your artwork and trademark too?
What are the advantages of doing that?

Well, suppose I'm creating a world called 'BoogieBoogieLand'
populated by boogie boogies, you play one, you have a complete, open
ended city life boogie boogie land comparable to the sims
online. Now firstly why would I do this, licencing the art and
trademark as gpl?

- Ideological; Gamedevelopers will be able to even more simply, as
they have everything rightly available, make games. There will
pop-up more variations of boogie boogie lands. The market for
interested boogie boogie gamers will be broadened as there are
more different boogie boogie games and worlds available. The brand
will become big without me putting that much affort in it. If we,
the original boogie boogie land, creators, keeps up with the
market and incorporates good things from others into our world
than I will prosper from the bigger market that has been
created. Ofcourse I can't stand still as then I would fastly be
outcompeted by others.

- Marketing; I will defenetly get some extra attention from the
gamedevelopers community as they are interested in a business
model that works with an online world, completely gpl'ed. This
would give my boogie boogie world, when launching the servers,
some extra interest, more gamers.(ofcourse the game will have to
be good but the start, the necesary exposure will be more easy to
get.)

- Future competitive advantage; As mentioned above, since the gpl
obligates others to gpl their work too I can always incorporate
changes they made to their boogie boogie world that proves to be
good. Since I'm the original creator, I'll understand the world
the best and thus will be able to take the most advantage of the
whole boogie boogie developers community their efforts in making
interesting things with the brand.

One thing that people have problems with when thinking of gpl'ed
artwork or trademarks is 'but what if people use your trademark or
art for things that you do not agree with and that will hurt the
reputation of your mark or artwork?'

I don't know, I wouldn't probably like it, but hey, no gain without
any pain, meaning, you can't have positive surprises without having
negatives from time to time. But I do love surprises! And gpl'ing
the complete world allows for nice surprises and big fights! hm
lovely ;-)

I'm very interested in your arguments why not protecting your brand
would be a bad idea? Are their any examples of people having
consciously chosen to make a film, a book, a picture, a drawing, a
piece of music, in short a personal piece of art, copylefted? And
what were the results?

I think that if George Lucas would have made his star wars brand
gpl'ed than, yes maybe he wouldn't have earned that much money but
you defenetel would have higher quality movies and games and
whatever people come up with.

Point is, why wouldn't you allow people to build on your work. There
ain't much difference between the so called 'art' and the functional
art that you call software. It's all vision. And it can be all
functional, at least if you CAN build on it.

MarcDM
- Would a complete gpl'ed and copylefted online gaming world be financialy succes? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Would a complete gpl'ed and copylefted online gaming world be financialy succes? shren
3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Boyle, Paul
- 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Dave Rickey
- - 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  - - 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Dave Rickey
    - - 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      - 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Dave Rickey
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Dave Rickey
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Rayzam
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players shren
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Richard A. Bartle
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Rayzam
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Rayzam
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Richard A. Bartle
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Rayzam
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Rayzam
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Richard A. Bartle
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Richard A. Bartle
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Richard A. Bartle
- 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Richard A. Bartle
- - 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Casbaria
  - 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Miroslav Silovic
  - - 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Richard A. Bartle
  - 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  - - 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Koster, Raph
    - - 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      - 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      - 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Richard A. Bartle
      - 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players justice@softhome.net
    - 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Richard A. Bartle
    - - 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      - 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Richard A. Bartle
      - 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Roy Trubshaw
      - 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Richard A. Bartle
- 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Miroslav Silovic
- 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Crosbie Fitch
- - 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  - - 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Crosbie Fitch
- 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Freeman, Jeff
- 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- - 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players Richard A. Bartle
In Real Life Matthew Dobervich
Massive Online Game magazine Richard A. Bartle
- Massive Online Game magazine Dave Rickey
48 Hours Investigates Everquest Addiction Rayzam
Massive Online Games Jessica Mulligan
- Massive Online Games Koster, Raph
Wired Article on The Sims Online Rayzam
Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model (was: 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model (was: 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players) Richard A. Bartle
- - Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model (was: 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  - - Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model (was: 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players) Richard A. Bartle
    - - Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model (was: 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      - Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model (was: 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players) Richard A. Bartle
        Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model (was: 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model (was: 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players) Richard A. Bartle
        Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model (was: 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players) Boyle, Paul
- Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model (was: 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players) Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
- - Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model (was: 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  - - Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model (was: 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players) Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
  - Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model (was: 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players) nyee@nickyee.com
  - - Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model (was: 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    - - Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model (was: 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players) Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
      - Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model (was: 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players) Koster, Raph
        Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model (was: 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players) Nicholas Yee
        Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model (was: 3rd Axis for Bartle's 2 axis theory of MUD players) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
Myst Online article at ferrago.co.uk Kent Peterson
- Myst Online article at ferrago.co.uk shren
- - Myst Online article at ferrago.co.uk Rayzam
  - Myst Online article at ferrago.co.uk Coyote
  - - Myst Online article at ferrago.co.uk Boyle, Paul
    - Myst Online article at ferrago.co.uk shren
  - Myst Online article at ferrago.co.uk Marc Bowden
  - Myst Online article at ferrago.co.uk Ted L. Chen
- Myst Online article at ferrago.co.uk Sulka Haro
- Myst Online article at ferrago.co.uk DeyjaL@aol.com
What is the world? (was: Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model) Zach Collins {Siege}
- What is the world? (was: Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- - What is the world? (was: Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model) Zach Collins {Siege}
  - - What is the world? (was: Weaknesses in the HCDS player type model) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
"On Virtual Economies" by Castronova Koster, Raph
- "On Virtual Economies" by Castronova Ted L. Chen
- - "On Virtual Economies" by Castronova Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  - - "On Virtual Economies" by Castronova Ted L. Chen
Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Brian Hook
- - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  - - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited brian hook
    - - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited shren
      - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Brian Hook
        Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Paul Schwanz
        Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited shren
        Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Dave Rickey
        Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited shren
        Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Mark Eaton
        Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Michael Tresca
        Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Matt Mihaly
      - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Adam
        Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Matt Mihaly
        Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Matt Mihaly
        Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Michael Tresca
        Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Matt Mihaly
        Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Matt Mihaly
      - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Colin Coghill
      - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Koster, Raph
- Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Ted L. Chen
- - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Sasha Hart
  - - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Ted L. Chen
  - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  - - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Ted L. Chen
    - - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Ted L. Chen
        Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Ted L. Chen
- Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Matt Mihaly
- Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited John Robert Arras
- - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Ted L. Chen
  - - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited John Robert Arras
    - - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Ted L. Chen
      - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited John Robert Arras
  - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  - - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited John Robert Arras
    - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Matt Mihaly
    - - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Matt Mihaly
        Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Arnau Rosselló Castelló
    - - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Clay
      - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Arnau Rosselló Castelló
- Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Kestanan
- Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Edward Glowacki
- - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Matt Mihaly
  - Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Morphable worlds, Reset based systems revisited Leigh Stillard
What's in the lack of a name? shren
- What's in the lack of a name? Rayzam
- - What's in the lack of a name? shren
  - - What's in the lack of a name? Rayzam
- What's in the lack of a name? Ted L. Chen
- - What's in the lack of a name? shren
  - - What's in the lack of a name? Ted L. Chen
- What's in the lack of a name? Harrok
- - What's in the lack of a name? shren
  - - What's in the lack of a name? Dan Wyman
    - What's in the lack of a name? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    - - What's in the lack of a name? Damion Schubert
      - What's in the lack of a name? Rudy Fink
Gaining insight from playing MUDs (MUD-Dev Storytelling in MMOGs article) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
Stunning success and catastrophic failure for skills. Ideas needed! Britt Green
- Stunning success and catastrophic failure for skills. Ideas needed! shren
- Stunning success and catastrophic failure for skills. Ideas needed! Lars Duening
- Stunning success and catastrophic failure for skills. Ideas needed! Christopher Kohnert
- - Stunning success and catastrophic failure for skills. Ideas needed! shren
  - - Stunning success and catastrophic failure for skills. Ideas needed! Christopher Kohnert
    - - Stunning success and catastrophic failure for skills. Ideas needed! shren
- Stunning success and catastrophic failure for skills. Ideas needed! Edward Glowacki
- - Stunning success and catastrophic failure for skills. Ideas needed! shren
PKing minors Richard A. Bartle
- PKing minors Jon A. Lambert
- - PKing minors Richard A. Bartle
  - - PKing minors Crosbie Fitch
- PKing minors Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- - PKing minors Shane P. Lee
  - PKing minors shren
  - - PKing minors Justyn
[Meta] Future of MMOGs amanda@alfar.com
- [Meta] Future of MMOGs Ted L. Chen
- - [Meta] Future of MMOGs amanda@alfar.com
  - - [Meta] Future of MMOGs Ted L. Chen
    - - [Meta] Future of MMOGs Koster, Raph
      - [Meta] Future of MMOGs amanda@alfar.com
        [Meta] Future of MMOGs Ted L. Chen
      - [Meta] Future of MMOGs amanda@alfar.com
      - [Meta] Future of MMOGs Ted L. Chen
        [Meta] Future of MMOGs Amanda Walker
        [Meta] Future of MMOGs Matt Mihaly
        [Meta] Future of MMOGs amanda@alfar.com
- [Meta] Future of MMOGs Damion Schubert
Starting to play (was: Morphable worlds...) Tess Lowe
[TECH] Windows Telnet capabilities Arnau Rosselló Castelló
- [TECH] Windows Telnet capabilities Matt Owen
- - [TECH] Windows Telnet capabilities Acius
November Issue of the MUD Journal Sanvean
- November Issue of the MUD Journal Tamzen Cannoy