January 2002

• Toontown Koster, Raph
• • Toontown Michelle Elbert
  • Toontown Valerio Santinelli
• FW: MMORPGs & MUDs Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
• • FW: MMORPGs & MUDs Skaei@aol.com
• DGN: Question about MU* acronyms Randolf Richardson
• • DGN: Question about MU* acronyms Lars Duening
  • DGN: Question about MU* acronyms J C Lawrence
  • DGN: Question about MU* acronyms Frank Crowell
• ADMIN: I goofed J C Lawrence
• Pueblo MUD client info Bruce Mitchener
• • Pueblo MUD client info Piotr Banski
  • • Pueblo MUD client info Bruce Mitchener
  • Pueblo MUD client info Mathieu Castelli
  • Pueblo MUD client info William B. Taylor
• The MUD Companion Derek Snider
• Game animations Jon Lambert
• Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Joel Palmtag
• Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
• • Quake II has gone GPL Mathieu Castelli
  • • Quake II has gone GPL Valerio Santinelli
    • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
    • • Quake II has gone GPL Vincent Archer
      • • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
  • Quake II has gone GPL Andrew Hefford
  • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
  • • Quake II has gone GPL ling@slimy.com
    • • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
      • Quake II has gone GPL Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
        • Quake II has gone GPL Bruce Mitchener
  • Quake II has gone GPL Brian Hook
  • • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
  • Quake II has gone GPL Marc Hernandez
  • • Quake II has gone GPL Jeremy Noetzelman
    • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
    • • Quake II has gone GPL Jeremy Noetzelman
      • • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
        • • Quake II has gone GPL Valerio Santinelli
          • • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
            • • Quake II has gone GPL Valerio Santinelli
    • Quake II has gone GPL Noplex
    • • Quake II has gone GPL Jeremy Noetzelman
      • • Quake II has gone GPL Nicholas E. Walker
        • Quake II has gone GPL Eli Stevens
        • • Quake II has gone GPL Valerio Santinelli
          • • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
        • Quake II has gone GPL Dominic J. Eidson
        • • Quake II has gone GPL J C Lawrence
          • • Quake II has gone GPL Nicholas E. Walker
            • • Quake II has gone GPL J C Lawrence
              • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
              • • Quake II has gone GPL Vincent Archer
                • • Quake II has gone GPL Travis Nixon
                  • • Quake II has gone GPL Vincent Archer
                    • Quake II has gone GPL Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                    • • Quake II has gone GPL Valerio Santinelli
                    • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                    • • Quake II has gone GPL Travis Nixon
                      • Quake II has gone GPL Joshua Judson Rosen
                      • • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                        • Quake II has gone GPL T o F
                        • • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                          • • Quake II has gone GPL John Buehler
                              shren writes:
                              > On 6 Mar 2002, T o F wrote:
                              >> On Tue, 2002-03-05 at 18:16, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote:
                              
                              >> But for example if the user asks to go on his right, then:
                              
                              >> - the client suppose he can do it, so go on the right
                              
                              >> - alert the server of its action
                              
                              >> - if it's ok, the server retains the new position, else it sets
                              >> the correct one and sends it to the client.
                              
                              >> I suppose I would do it this way...
                              
                              > By and large, with modifications, I think everybody does it this
                              > way. Blizzard's Diablo II does, from all observations. I once
                              > wrote a guide to lag when playing Diablo II on battle.net, which
                              > you can read to find out some of the flaws to this system:
                              
                              > http://www.io.com/~shren/.lag.html
                              
                              > Most notably, the ever-famous snap-lag, where the client decides
                              > you walked from X to Y, then shows the player walking from X to Y.
                              > The server decides, for whatever reason, that you can't walk from
                              > X to Y, so sends you an override message telling you that you're
                              > still at X. From the player's view, they walk from X to Y then
                              > snap back to X, which can be very confusing untill you realize
                              > that the server thinks that there's something in the way.
                              
                              > If the server and the client can both handle pathfinding equally
                              > well, then the system works very well. But to do this, you have
                              > to let the player avatar walk through any dynamic object - other
                              > players and monsters, for instance. Note that most FPS games let
                              > you do this. Subspace, one of the best multiplayer internet games
                              > I've played, makes everything dynamic transparent except for
                              > bullets, and by default has a pretty low rate of fire. (The game
                              > itself encourages you to fire conservatively, as firing lowers
                              > your shields a little bit per shot.)
                              
                              An approach that I'd like to see is to have the client only indicate
                              the destination and to have the server work out the path and notify
                              all clients where the character is as it works through that path.
                              The assumption behind such a system is that the player isn't driving
                              the character around as with current games. Instead, the player
                              makes statements about goals for the character. While 'move here'
                              <click> is a statement of a goal, it's a very low level one. I'm
                              thinking instead of goals such as 'go to the bakery', where the
                              bakery is on the other side of town. While on the way to the bakery
                              (walking), the character steps over mud puddles, runs from cover to
                              cover during rainstorms, waves to characters that it knows well and
                              hasn't seen in a while, steps aside for ladies, etc. All of those
                              behaviors would be part of the player-declared behavior of the
                              character, so the player controls the behavior generally, but
                              doesn't have to act out every little movement.
                              
                              Even in combat, the idea would be to have the client only send goals
                              to the server. 'Give ground', 'push forward', 'support Bob', etc.
                              This is a style of play where the player's skill is involved at a
                              higher level, leaving the nitty-gritties - the realtime behavior -
                              to the server, which is partially driven from the player's declared
                              preferences. So when somebody swings a sword at my character's
                              head, my character can duck, dodge, parry or block as is appropriate
                              to the situation and according to my preferences. Similarly, if my
                              character sees an opening and I've stated that I want my character
                              to push forward, the character will attempt to exploit that opening.
                              
                              One feature of this approach is that the server is the only machine
                              that has the algorithms for movement, and the client only makes a
                              statement about what it wants the character on the server to do. At
                              no time does the client declare that the world state is a certain
                              way.
                              
                              Another feature of such a system that I like quite a bit is that
                              goal declarations are being made less often, permitting voice
                              commands to be used to control the character behavior. This leaves
                              more time for socialization in the multiplayer environment - also
                              preferably by using voice.
                              
                              Obviously, this will place significantly greater computational
                              demands on the server, and the developers will have to to come up
                              with a good mechanism for somewhat more autonomous activity by
                              characters.
                              
                              JB
                            • • Quake II has gone GPL Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                              • • Quake II has gone GPL John Buehler
                                • • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                                  • • Quake II has gone GPL Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                                    • • Quake II has gone GPL John Buehler
                                      • • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                                      • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                                    • Quake II has gone GPL T o F
                                    • • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                                      • • Quake II has gone GPL Vincent Archer
                                        • • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                                          • • Quake II has gone GPL Vincent Archer
                      • Quake II has gone GPL Nathan F. Yospe
• Starting out. Joel Palmtag
• • Starting out. Edward Glowacki
  • Starting out. ghovs@plex.nl
  • Starting out. Joel Palmtag
  • Starting out. Lars Duening
  • Starting out. J C Lawrence
• TECH: Managing all your code Eric Rhea
• • TECH: Managing all your code Lars Duening
  • TECH: Managing all your code J C Lawrence
• Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #1 63 - 25 msgs) Koster, Raph
• • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Jim English
• MOBPROG and other scripting languages William Murdick
• • MOBPROG and other scripting languages Jason Gauthier
  • MOBPROG and other scripting languages Acius
  • • MOBPROG and other scripting languages J C Lawrence
    • • MOBPROG and other scripting languages Christopher Allen
      • • MOBPROG and other scripting languages J C Lawrence
        • • MOBPROG and other scripting languages Eli Stevens
          • • MOBPROG and other scripting languages J C Lawrence
      • MOBPROG and other scripting languages Lazarus
      • • MOBPROG and other scripting languages Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • MOBPROG and other scripting languages Matt Mihaly
• Two 'Mini-Series' Complete at Skotos Articles... Christopher Allen
• Replacement For MUD Acronym Luke Parrish
• • Replacement For MUD Acronym Skaei@aol.com
  • Replacement For MUD Acronym J C Lawrence
  • Replacement For MUD Acronym Christopher Allen
  • • Replacement For MUD Acronym Matt Mihaly
• No bots allowed Frank Crowell
• • No bots allowed J C Lawrence
  • • No bots allowed Alex Kay
    • • No bots allowed J C Lawrence
    • No bots allowed shren
    • • No bots allowed shren
      • • No bots allowed Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        • • No bots allowed shren
          • • No bots allowed Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
            • • No bots allowed Travis Casey
              • • No bots allowed Roy Trubshaw
            • No bots allowed Colin Coghill
            • • No bots allowed Marc Hernandez
              • No bots allowed shren
  • No bots allowed Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • • No bots allowed Frank Crowell
  • No bots allowed Marc Bowden
  • • No bots allowed Paul Schwanz
• Boys and Girls - rayzam
• Issue of the "Experience" (Was MMORPGs & MUDs) Michelle Elbert
• • Issue of the "Experience" (Was MMORPGs & MUDs) J C Lawrence
  • • Issue of the "Experience" (Was MMORPGs & MUDs) Michael Tresca
    • Issue of the "Experience" (Was MMORPGs & MUDs) Nathan F. Yospe
  • Issue of the "Experience" (Was MMORPGs & MUDs) Michael Tresca
  • Issue of the "Experience" (Was MMORPGs & MUDs) Alex Kay
• The use of virtual reality in the assessment of spatial skills J C Lawrence
• • The use of virtual reality in the assessment of spatial skills rayzam
• Boys and Girls - rayzam
• • Boys and Girls - Marian Griffith
• Commercial web based MUDs Azeraab
• • Commercial web based MUDs Peter Tyson
  • • Commercial web based MUDs J C Lawrence
    • • Commercial web based MUDs Peter Tyson
  • Commercial web based MUDs Matt Mihaly
• Majestic and Failure of Episodic Games Christopher Allen
• • Majestic and Failure of Episodic Games Dan Hon
  • Majestic and Failure of Episodic Games Matt Mihaly
  • Majestic and Failure of Episodic Games Talies the Wanderer
• [TECH] Eiffel and Assertions... Adam Martin
• • [TECH] Eiffel and Assertions... Brian Hook
• text MUDs' character longevity (The Two Towers) Val Trullinger
• [TECH] PS: Eiffel and Assertions... Adam Martin
• • [TECH] PS: Eiffel and Assertions... Ling Lo
  • [TECH] PS: Eiffel and Assertions... siege
• GDC (was Majestic and Failure of Episodic Games) Sellers, Mike
• Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
• • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day Travis Casey
  • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
  • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day volstoff@brutele.be
  • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
    • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day Sasha Hart
    • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
      • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day rayzam
        • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
        • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day Sasha Hart
        • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
          • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day Koster, Raph
            • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
            • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day Sasha Hart
            • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
              • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day Sasha Hart
                • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
                  • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day Sasha Hart
• TECH: What about Perl flavored MUDs? James Edward Gray II
• • TECH: What about Perl flavored MUDs? Nicholas E. Walker
  • TECH: What about Perl flavored MUDs? Luke Parrish
  • • TECH: What about Perl flavored MUDs? James Edward Gray II
• MUD statistics Elia Mörling
• • MUD statistics Sanvean
  • • MUD statistics Matt Mihaly
• Secure distributed operation (was: Quake II has gone GPL) Nicholas E. Walker
• Economic Growth: NPC pricing Adam Martin
• • Economic Growth: NPC pricing Jason Murdick
  • Economic Growth: NPC pricing Paul Schwanz
  • • Economic Growth: NPC pricing Timothy Dang
• Crafting in MUDs Neil Edwards
• Econ paper on EQ Koster, Raph
• "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Jeff Freeman
  • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Travis Casey
    • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Michelle Elbert
      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Travis Casey
        • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Jeff Cole
          • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
            • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Jeff Cole
      • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Freeman, Jeff
      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) J C Lawrence
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Paul Schwanz
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) J C Lawrence
          • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Cynbe ru Taren
            • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Travis Casey
            • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Freeman, Jeff
            • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) J C Lawrence
            • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Travis Casey
        • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Miroslav Silovic
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Jon Lambert
    • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
  • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
      • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Michael Tresca
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Travis Casey
        • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MU Ds) Koster, Raph
  • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Dave Rickey
      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Dave Rickey
          • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) John Buehler
      • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) J C Lawrence
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
          • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) J C Lawrence
            • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
              • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) J C Lawrence
                • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Tamzen Cannoy
                • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                  • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Travis Casey
                    • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Travis Casey
                        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                          • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Travis Casey
                            • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                        • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Miroslav Silovic
                        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                          • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
                            • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                            • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Marian Griffith
                            • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                              • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Dave Rickey
                    • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Jon Lambert
                    • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Christopher Allen
                • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                  • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Christopher Allen
                    • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
• Creating a MUD - Overview of design Neil Edwards
• • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Edward Glowacki
  • • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Amanda Walker
    • • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Bruce Mitchener
      • • Creating a MUD - Overview of design J C Lawrence
      • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Valerio Santinelli
  • • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Shane Gough
    • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Sean Kelly
  • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Adam Dray
• Some random thoughts on balance Azeraab
• • Some random thoughts on balance Matt Mihaly
• Mud-Dev FAQ part II Marian Griffith
• Worlds of Carnage ( WoC ) blobule@hotmail.com
• • Worlds of Carnage ( WoC ) blobule@hotmail.com
  • • Worlds of Carnage ( WoC ) Blobule@hotmail.com
• Simutronics' premium server Matt Mihaly
• • Simutronics' premium server Christopher Allen
  • Simutronics' premium server Michael Dekker
  • • Simutronics' premium server Matt Mihaly
  • Simutronics' premium server Martin
• Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Brian Hook
• • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Michelle Elbert
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Michael Tresca
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Freeman, Jeff
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Paul Schwanz
  • • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Ling Lo
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Travis Nixon
  • • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Brian Hook
    • • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Amanda Walker
      • • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Sasha Hart
      • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" fred@clift.org
      • • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Marc Bowden
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Christopher Allen
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Matt Mihaly
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Skaei@aol.com
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Alex Kay
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" rayzam
• Boys and Paul Schwanz
• • Boys and Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• Boys and Girls Marc Bowden
• Chess ("Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs)) James Edward Gray II
• • Chess ("Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs)) Cynbe ru Taren
• "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? rayzam
• • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? Travis Casey
  • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? rayzam
    • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? Travis Casey
      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? rayzam
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? Travis Casey
  • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? Jon Lambert
• BIZ amusing idea (Enforced log out aka "real sleep") Nicholas E. Walker
• • BIZ amusing idea (Enforced log out aka "real sleep") Valerio Santinelli