January 2002

• Toontown Koster, Raph
• • Toontown Michelle Elbert
  • Toontown Valerio Santinelli
• FW: MMORPGs & MUDs Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
• • FW: MMORPGs & MUDs Skaei@aol.com
• DGN: Question about MU* acronyms Randolf Richardson
• • DGN: Question about MU* acronyms Lars Duening
  • DGN: Question about MU* acronyms J C Lawrence
  • DGN: Question about MU* acronyms Frank Crowell
• ADMIN: I goofed J C Lawrence
• Pueblo MUD client info Bruce Mitchener
• • Pueblo MUD client info Piotr Banski
  • • Pueblo MUD client info Bruce Mitchener
  • Pueblo MUD client info Mathieu Castelli
  • Pueblo MUD client info William B. Taylor
• The MUD Companion Derek Snider
• Game animations Jon Lambert
• Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Joel Palmtag
• Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
• • Quake II has gone GPL Mathieu Castelli
  • • Quake II has gone GPL Valerio Santinelli
    • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
    • • Quake II has gone GPL Vincent Archer
      • • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
  • Quake II has gone GPL Andrew Hefford
  • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
  • • Quake II has gone GPL ling@slimy.com
    • • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
      • Quake II has gone GPL Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
        • Quake II has gone GPL Bruce Mitchener
          Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com wrote:
          > From: ling@slimy.com [mailto:ling@slimy.com]
          
          >> Of course, it could be argued that the engine can be reworked, or
          >> there's already a Quake 2 mod to add skin and bones (or there
          >> probably is a project to do such a thing emerging right now). My
          >> point was that if this part is deemed to be needing a rework
          >> along with whatever else, would the ROI on Quake 2 be worthwhile?
          
          > Well I don't think you can expect to write the next Everquest/DAoC
          > on it, but I think the point was to design a game around the
          > engine. Worse than the boneing issue I would imagine, is the BSP
          > based rendering engine. Whilst this is ideal for interior
          > environments, its no use for exterior, so you'd have to splice on
          > a whole different engine and put portals in to bridge (I don't
          > know what portaling support quake 2 has, I suspect none?).
          
          A big disadvantage of something like Quake is the level-based nature
          of it. For any of us that are used to the more dynamic
          games/muds/worlds where building and such all happen at runtime,
          it'd certainly be non-useful.
          
          > I don't even think that rendering the dungeon walls is the hardest
          > part really, character animation/path finding/collision
          > detection/occlusion detection are all more difficult I feel, so
          > given that you'd have to rework so much of this to build a typical
          > MMORPG, I think you'd be pretty stuffed if thats what you were
          > aiming for.
          
          For character animation, check out Cal3D (http://cal3d.sf.net/).
          That looks to be one of the most useful things to have fallen off of
          the WorldForge tree. For rigid body physics and such, there is ODE
          (http://www.q12.org/ode/ode.html). I haven't used either of those,
          but they look capable from some quick glances at them. Both of them
          are LGPL, so they can be used in a commercial project without major
          limitations.
          
          > As someone mentioned previously, it might be ideal for a
          > Neverwinter Nights style small group dungeon crawl type game. Of
          > course half the focus NWN appears to be its tools, and I don't
          > know how many budding GMs are going to be wanting to use complex
          > map modeling tools.
          
          The map modelling tools are a major thing that seems to be missing
          from the open source stuff. Really, much of the whole artist
          toolchain is missing or lacking from a lot of the efforts. Support
          for 3DStudio Max plugins or Maya plugins appears to be
          minimal. (Despite things like Flexporter for 3DStudio existing.)
          
          I've looked into some of this on my own time out of curiosity and
          because it seems like something interesting to learn about. From my
          perspective, some of the more useful features to have would be:
          
          * The basics (dynamic lighting, multi-texturing, animation)
          * Terrain support
          * Visibility/Culling
          * Documentation
          * Good artist toolchain support
          * Portability
          * Capable of having advanced features added like pixel/vertex shaders,
          imposters, cool shadowing stuff, etc.
          * Decent license (not GPL, etc. LGPL, BSD, MIT/X11).
          
          There seem to be a couple of engines out there that meet most of
          those (but none of them have really good artist toolchain support).
          There are even some decent terrain engines coming along that
          integrate with other renderers for the rest of the world
          objects. (Check out vterrain.org for info along those lines.)
          
          Is anyone on the list working with a system like the above? Have
          you worked on improving artist toolchain support? Is there any
          interest from someone in working on that sort of thing? :) It seems
          like that'd be an easier path forward potentially to getting
          something that is vworld-capable faster (and with a better license
          for potential commercial usage than the GNU GPL).
          
          Just some random thoughts ...
          
          - Bruce
  • Quake II has gone GPL Brian Hook
  • • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
  • Quake II has gone GPL Marc Hernandez
  • • Quake II has gone GPL Jeremy Noetzelman
    • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
    • • Quake II has gone GPL Jeremy Noetzelman
      • • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
        • • Quake II has gone GPL Valerio Santinelli
          • • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
            • • Quake II has gone GPL Valerio Santinelli
    • Quake II has gone GPL Noplex
    • • Quake II has gone GPL Jeremy Noetzelman
      • • Quake II has gone GPL Nicholas E. Walker
        • Quake II has gone GPL Eli Stevens
        • • Quake II has gone GPL Valerio Santinelli
          • • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
        • Quake II has gone GPL Dominic J. Eidson
        • • Quake II has gone GPL J C Lawrence
          • • Quake II has gone GPL Nicholas E. Walker
            • • Quake II has gone GPL J C Lawrence
              • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
              • • Quake II has gone GPL Vincent Archer
                • • Quake II has gone GPL Travis Nixon
                  • • Quake II has gone GPL Vincent Archer
                    • Quake II has gone GPL Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                    • • Quake II has gone GPL Valerio Santinelli
                    • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                    • • Quake II has gone GPL Travis Nixon
                      • Quake II has gone GPL Joshua Judson Rosen
                      • • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                        • Quake II has gone GPL T o F
                        • • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                          • • Quake II has gone GPL John Buehler
                            • • Quake II has gone GPL Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                              • • Quake II has gone GPL John Buehler
                                • • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                                  • • Quake II has gone GPL Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                                    • • Quake II has gone GPL John Buehler
                                      • • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                                      • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                                    • Quake II has gone GPL T o F
                                    • • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                                      • • Quake II has gone GPL Vincent Archer
                                        • • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                                          • • Quake II has gone GPL Vincent Archer
                      • Quake II has gone GPL Nathan F. Yospe
• Starting out. Joel Palmtag
• • Starting out. Edward Glowacki
  • Starting out. ghovs@plex.nl
  • Starting out. Joel Palmtag
  • Starting out. Lars Duening
  • Starting out. J C Lawrence
• TECH: Managing all your code Eric Rhea
• • TECH: Managing all your code Lars Duening
  • TECH: Managing all your code J C Lawrence
• Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #1 63 - 25 msgs) Koster, Raph
• • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Jim English
• MOBPROG and other scripting languages William Murdick
• • MOBPROG and other scripting languages Jason Gauthier
  • MOBPROG and other scripting languages Acius
  • • MOBPROG and other scripting languages J C Lawrence
    • • MOBPROG and other scripting languages Christopher Allen
      • • MOBPROG and other scripting languages J C Lawrence
        • • MOBPROG and other scripting languages Eli Stevens
          • • MOBPROG and other scripting languages J C Lawrence
      • MOBPROG and other scripting languages Lazarus
      • • MOBPROG and other scripting languages Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • MOBPROG and other scripting languages Matt Mihaly
• Two 'Mini-Series' Complete at Skotos Articles... Christopher Allen
• Replacement For MUD Acronym Luke Parrish
• • Replacement For MUD Acronym Skaei@aol.com
  • Replacement For MUD Acronym J C Lawrence
  • Replacement For MUD Acronym Christopher Allen
  • • Replacement For MUD Acronym Matt Mihaly
• No bots allowed Frank Crowell
• • No bots allowed J C Lawrence
  • • No bots allowed Alex Kay
    • • No bots allowed J C Lawrence
    • No bots allowed shren
    • • No bots allowed shren
      • • No bots allowed Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        • • No bots allowed shren
          • • No bots allowed Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
            • • No bots allowed Travis Casey
              • • No bots allowed Roy Trubshaw
            • No bots allowed Colin Coghill
            • • No bots allowed Marc Hernandez
              • No bots allowed shren
  • No bots allowed Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • • No bots allowed Frank Crowell
  • No bots allowed Marc Bowden
  • • No bots allowed Paul Schwanz
• Boys and Girls - rayzam
• Issue of the "Experience" (Was MMORPGs & MUDs) Michelle Elbert
• • Issue of the "Experience" (Was MMORPGs & MUDs) J C Lawrence
  • • Issue of the "Experience" (Was MMORPGs & MUDs) Michael Tresca
    • Issue of the "Experience" (Was MMORPGs & MUDs) Nathan F. Yospe
  • Issue of the "Experience" (Was MMORPGs & MUDs) Michael Tresca
  • Issue of the "Experience" (Was MMORPGs & MUDs) Alex Kay
• The use of virtual reality in the assessment of spatial skills J C Lawrence
• • The use of virtual reality in the assessment of spatial skills rayzam
• Boys and Girls - rayzam
• • Boys and Girls - Marian Griffith
• Commercial web based MUDs Azeraab
• • Commercial web based MUDs Peter Tyson
  • • Commercial web based MUDs J C Lawrence
    • • Commercial web based MUDs Peter Tyson
  • Commercial web based MUDs Matt Mihaly
• Majestic and Failure of Episodic Games Christopher Allen
• • Majestic and Failure of Episodic Games Dan Hon
  • Majestic and Failure of Episodic Games Matt Mihaly
  • Majestic and Failure of Episodic Games Talies the Wanderer
• [TECH] Eiffel and Assertions... Adam Martin
• • [TECH] Eiffel and Assertions... Brian Hook
• text MUDs' character longevity (The Two Towers) Val Trullinger
• [TECH] PS: Eiffel and Assertions... Adam Martin
• • [TECH] PS: Eiffel and Assertions... Ling Lo
  • [TECH] PS: Eiffel and Assertions... siege
• GDC (was Majestic and Failure of Episodic Games) Sellers, Mike
• Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
• • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day Travis Casey
  • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
  • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day volstoff@brutele.be
  • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
    • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day Sasha Hart
    • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
      • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day rayzam
        • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
        • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day Sasha Hart
        • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
          • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day Koster, Raph
            • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
            • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day Sasha Hart
            • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
              • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day Sasha Hart
                • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
                  • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day Sasha Hart
• TECH: What about Perl flavored MUDs? James Edward Gray II
• • TECH: What about Perl flavored MUDs? Nicholas E. Walker
  • TECH: What about Perl flavored MUDs? Luke Parrish
  • • TECH: What about Perl flavored MUDs? James Edward Gray II
• MUD statistics Elia Mörling
• • MUD statistics Sanvean
  • • MUD statistics Matt Mihaly
• Secure distributed operation (was: Quake II has gone GPL) Nicholas E. Walker
• Economic Growth: NPC pricing Adam Martin
• • Economic Growth: NPC pricing Jason Murdick
  • Economic Growth: NPC pricing Paul Schwanz
  • • Economic Growth: NPC pricing Timothy Dang
• Crafting in MUDs Neil Edwards
• Econ paper on EQ Koster, Raph
• "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Jeff Freeman
  • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Travis Casey
    • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Michelle Elbert
      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Travis Casey
        • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Jeff Cole
          • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
            • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Jeff Cole
      • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Freeman, Jeff
      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) J C Lawrence
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Paul Schwanz
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) J C Lawrence
          • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Cynbe ru Taren
            • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Travis Casey
            • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Freeman, Jeff
            • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) J C Lawrence
            • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Travis Casey
        • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Miroslav Silovic
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Jon Lambert
    • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
  • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
      • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Michael Tresca
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Travis Casey
        • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MU Ds) Koster, Raph
  • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Dave Rickey
      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Dave Rickey
          • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) John Buehler
      • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) J C Lawrence
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
          • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) J C Lawrence
            • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
              • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) J C Lawrence
                • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Tamzen Cannoy
                • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                  • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Travis Casey
                    • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Travis Casey
                        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                          • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Travis Casey
                            • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                        • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Miroslav Silovic
                        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                          • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
                            • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                            • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Marian Griffith
                            • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                              • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Dave Rickey
                    • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Jon Lambert
                    • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Christopher Allen
                • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                  • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Christopher Allen
                    • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
• Creating a MUD - Overview of design Neil Edwards
• • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Edward Glowacki
  • • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Amanda Walker
    • • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Bruce Mitchener
      • • Creating a MUD - Overview of design J C Lawrence
      • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Valerio Santinelli
  • • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Shane Gough
    • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Sean Kelly
  • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Adam Dray
• Some random thoughts on balance Azeraab
• • Some random thoughts on balance Matt Mihaly
• Mud-Dev FAQ part II Marian Griffith
• Worlds of Carnage ( WoC ) blobule@hotmail.com
• • Worlds of Carnage ( WoC ) blobule@hotmail.com
  • • Worlds of Carnage ( WoC ) Blobule@hotmail.com
• Simutronics' premium server Matt Mihaly
• • Simutronics' premium server Christopher Allen
  • Simutronics' premium server Michael Dekker
  • • Simutronics' premium server Matt Mihaly
  • Simutronics' premium server Martin
• Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Brian Hook
• • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Michelle Elbert
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Michael Tresca
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Freeman, Jeff
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Paul Schwanz
  • • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Ling Lo
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Travis Nixon
  • • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Brian Hook
    • • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Amanda Walker
      • • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Sasha Hart
      • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" fred@clift.org
      • • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Marc Bowden
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Christopher Allen
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Matt Mihaly
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Skaei@aol.com
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Alex Kay
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" rayzam
• Boys and Paul Schwanz
• • Boys and Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• Boys and Girls Marc Bowden
• Chess ("Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs)) James Edward Gray II
• • Chess ("Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs)) Cynbe ru Taren
• "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? rayzam
• • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? Travis Casey
  • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? rayzam
    • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? Travis Casey
      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? rayzam
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? Travis Casey
  • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? Jon Lambert
• BIZ amusing idea (Enforced log out aka "real sleep") Nicholas E. Walker
• • BIZ amusing idea (Enforced log out aka "real sleep") Valerio Santinelli