January 2002

• Toontown Koster, Raph
• • Toontown Michelle Elbert
  • Toontown Valerio Santinelli
• FW: MMORPGs & MUDs Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
• • FW: MMORPGs & MUDs Skaei@aol.com
• DGN: Question about MU* acronyms Randolf Richardson
• • DGN: Question about MU* acronyms Lars Duening
  • DGN: Question about MU* acronyms J C Lawrence
  • DGN: Question about MU* acronyms Frank Crowell
• ADMIN: I goofed J C Lawrence
• Pueblo MUD client info Bruce Mitchener
• • Pueblo MUD client info Piotr Banski
  • • Pueblo MUD client info Bruce Mitchener
  • Pueblo MUD client info Mathieu Castelli
  • Pueblo MUD client info William B. Taylor
• The MUD Companion Derek Snider
• Game animations Jon Lambert
• Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Joel Palmtag
• Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
• • Quake II has gone GPL Mathieu Castelli
  • • Quake II has gone GPL Valerio Santinelli
    • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
    • • Quake II has gone GPL Vincent Archer
      • • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
  • Quake II has gone GPL Andrew Hefford
  • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
  • • Quake II has gone GPL ling@slimy.com
    • • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
      • Quake II has gone GPL Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
        • Quake II has gone GPL Bruce Mitchener
  • Quake II has gone GPL Brian Hook
  • • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
  • Quake II has gone GPL Marc Hernandez
  • • Quake II has gone GPL Jeremy Noetzelman
    • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
    • • Quake II has gone GPL Jeremy Noetzelman
      • • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
        • • Quake II has gone GPL Valerio Santinelli
          • • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
            • • Quake II has gone GPL Valerio Santinelli
    • Quake II has gone GPL Noplex
    • • Quake II has gone GPL Jeremy Noetzelman
      • • Quake II has gone GPL Nicholas E. Walker
        • Quake II has gone GPL Eli Stevens
        • • Quake II has gone GPL Valerio Santinelli
          • • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
        • Quake II has gone GPL Dominic J. Eidson
        • • Quake II has gone GPL J C Lawrence
          • • Quake II has gone GPL Nicholas E. Walker
            • • Quake II has gone GPL J C Lawrence
              • Quake II has gone GPL Frank Crowell
              • • Quake II has gone GPL Vincent Archer
                • • Quake II has gone GPL Travis Nixon
                  • • Quake II has gone GPL Vincent Archer
                    • Quake II has gone GPL Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                    • • Quake II has gone GPL Valerio Santinelli
                    • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                    • • Quake II has gone GPL Travis Nixon
                      • Quake II has gone GPL Joshua Judson Rosen
                      • • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                        • Quake II has gone GPL T o F
                        • • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                          • • Quake II has gone GPL John Buehler
                            • • Quake II has gone GPL Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                              • • Quake II has gone GPL John Buehler
                                • • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                                  • • Quake II has gone GPL Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                                    • • Quake II has gone GPL John Buehler
                                      • • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                                      • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                                    • Quake II has gone GPL T o F
                                    • • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                                      • • Quake II has gone GPL Vincent Archer
                                        • • Quake II has gone GPL shren
                                          • • Quake II has gone GPL Vincent Archer
                      • Quake II has gone GPL Nathan F. Yospe
• Starting out. Joel Palmtag
• • Starting out. Edward Glowacki
  • Starting out. ghovs@plex.nl
  • Starting out. Joel Palmtag
  • Starting out. Lars Duening
  • Starting out. J C Lawrence
• TECH: Managing all your code Eric Rhea
• • TECH: Managing all your code Lars Duening
  • TECH: Managing all your code J C Lawrence
• Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #1 63 - 25 msgs) Koster, Raph
• • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Jim English
• MOBPROG and other scripting languages William Murdick
• • MOBPROG and other scripting languages Jason Gauthier
  • MOBPROG and other scripting languages Acius
  • • MOBPROG and other scripting languages J C Lawrence
    • • MOBPROG and other scripting languages Christopher Allen
      • • MOBPROG and other scripting languages J C Lawrence
        • • MOBPROG and other scripting languages Eli Stevens
          • • MOBPROG and other scripting languages J C Lawrence
      • MOBPROG and other scripting languages Lazarus
      • • MOBPROG and other scripting languages Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • MOBPROG and other scripting languages Matt Mihaly
• Two 'Mini-Series' Complete at Skotos Articles... Christopher Allen
• Replacement For MUD Acronym Luke Parrish
• • Replacement For MUD Acronym Skaei@aol.com
  • Replacement For MUD Acronym J C Lawrence
  • Replacement For MUD Acronym Christopher Allen
  • • Replacement For MUD Acronym Matt Mihaly
• No bots allowed Frank Crowell
• • No bots allowed J C Lawrence
  • • No bots allowed Alex Kay
    • • No bots allowed J C Lawrence
    • No bots allowed shren
    • • No bots allowed shren
      • • No bots allowed Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        • • No bots allowed shren
          • • No bots allowed Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
            • • No bots allowed Travis Casey
              • • No bots allowed Roy Trubshaw
            • No bots allowed Colin Coghill
            • • No bots allowed Marc Hernandez
              • No bots allowed shren
  • No bots allowed Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • • No bots allowed Frank Crowell
  • No bots allowed Marc Bowden
  • • No bots allowed Paul Schwanz
• Boys and Girls - rayzam
• Issue of the "Experience" (Was MMORPGs & MUDs) Michelle Elbert
• • Issue of the "Experience" (Was MMORPGs & MUDs) J C Lawrence
  • • Issue of the "Experience" (Was MMORPGs & MUDs) Michael Tresca
    • Issue of the "Experience" (Was MMORPGs & MUDs) Nathan F. Yospe
      J C Lawrence <claw@kanga.nu> said:
      > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:19:57 -0600
      > Michelle Elbert <michelf@silverspoonandpaperplate.com> wrote:
      
      >> What we're really frustrated about here, I think, is that we
      >> haven't really come up with a good way to get these people to get
      >> along without some serious human intervention.
      
      > Or to naturally segregate them or place them in complementary play
      > positions where their mutual value/use exceeds their annoyance.
      
      Thank you, J C, took the words right out of my mouth. I have not
      gone commercial, and it will be at least three years before I can
      consider doing so, given the limits of my funding (self) and time
      (well, I have to work pretty hard to have enough income to try to
      self fund, after all, so all I have is stolen moments), but there
      is a part of me that hopes none of the big commercial muds happen
      on the scheme I'm adopting for griefers.
      
      In simple terms, I've figured out a way to do what J C implies, a
      real and functional segregation of player roles that manipulates,
      and enforces, griefer behavior in such a way that it fails to put
      a non-grief player at inconvenience.
      
      In order to do so, I've relied on an element of game design that,
      over the years, J C and I have (quite civilly) disagreed on. The
      issue in question is free will. There is no difference, in terms
      of technology, between environmental barriers to behavior (rocks,
      cliffs, end of screen, guards that slay you) and internal impulse
      controls. In terms of design, they are radical opposites. There
      is a huge difference between man vs. self and man vs. environment
      in psychological terms, and the former gives a huge advantage for
      tracking and placing players. A player can alter a character and
      it will become what they are acting as, but it takes effort if it
      is a deliberate and conscious override of the habitual alignment,
      the character of the player's character, as it is. A player has,
      in effect, the role of the conscious mind, the ego, but there are
      both id and superego (and no, I don't subscribe, but they work as
      metaphor in this case) to contend with, and these elements lie at
      the bottom of a global big brother, an unseen and invisible being
      composed of automated protocols married to a rather extensive set
      of genetic algorithm sort mappings, and designed for easy access,
      both observational and manipulative, by human eyes and minds, and
      a player that tries to make their character hostile, for whatever
      reason and in whatever way, will soon happen into a draft, or the
      chance at a role in a nasty corporate structure, or any one of an
      assortment of placement opportunities, depending on the nature of
      their infractions and the mapping of their behavior.
      
      Sudden shifts of behavior are even harder, of course, to prevent,
      as much as possible, a griefer in stealth mode.
      
      This is surely a frightening thing, if it works as tested, when I
      expose it to hundreds of thousands of people, and not mere dozens
      of short term volunteer testers. Will it perform as expected? I
      doubt it will be as effective... I am genius, but my enemy, given
      the scenario of merely being bright, are legion, and if perhaps a
      single genius can accomplish more than a hundred of the brightest
      minds trying to work together in chaos (see most of the large gnu
      projects, or many commercial projects, vs., say, Wolfram), I will
      not concede the same against the hordes of determined griefers, a
      body of no cooperative effort, should they come to understand the
      extent of what is being done to them.
      
      I'm barely enough of a scientist to overcome my ethical qualms at
      the idea of mass manipulation of people, and take some comfort in
      the fact that, unlike the real world, I have both a unique degree
      of control, and a unique amount of intimate knowledge, within the
      bounds of a game, and in the fact that not only are the players a
      faceless mass, but the numbers are not recorded globally, only as
      as sum are players judged. Unfortunately, I expect a day where a
      subset of Hari Seldon's vision is managed by computers, where the
      world at large hints people toward their ideal careers, mates, or
      hometowns, and while perhaps this would have bright points, I can
      assure you, the motives will, as always, be one of four: money or
      greed in other forms; power, control, or domination; fame, be the
      source infamy or heroism; or, rarely, altruism in secret. I have
      a fifth motive, beyond a small amount of the first and third, but
      while I know it exists, I don't think it would ever appear beyond
      the controlled game world... I am motivated by curiosity, just as
      many here, and know that in time, I or one like me will give some
      other a tool, yet again, that allows the expression of one of the
      other motives in a way that will change the world. I just hope I
      have enough of the fourth motive to find a way to make sure it is
      a change consistent with the heroic form of the third motive.
      
      Now, after that first paragraph, it should be clear that there is
      a technical element to what I am doing that I fail to mention, or
      even allude to, in the third paragraph, beyond even the challenge
      of setting up the genetic algorithm for choosing roles and making
      it transparent. Leave it at that. I still hope to have a chance
      at competing with companies that have huge invested bankrolls, as
      a lone wolf, using my own funds. Give it all away, and there's a
      good case for insanity rather than reckless ambition.
      
      Still, I wish it wasn't so. Discussion among peers is a vanity I
      am far from free of. Were it possible for me to find what I want
      from life without keeping a few things to myself, I would be very
      happy...
      
      --
      
      Nathan F. Yospe - Programmer, Scientist, Artist, JOAT with a SAK
      yospe#kanga.nu Home: nathanfyospe#mac.com Work: nyospe#a2i.com
  • Issue of the "Experience" (Was MMORPGs & MUDs) Michael Tresca
  • Issue of the "Experience" (Was MMORPGs & MUDs) Alex Kay
• The use of virtual reality in the assessment of spatial skills J C Lawrence
• • The use of virtual reality in the assessment of spatial skills rayzam
• Boys and Girls - rayzam
• • Boys and Girls - Marian Griffith
• Commercial web based MUDs Azeraab
• • Commercial web based MUDs Peter Tyson
  • • Commercial web based MUDs J C Lawrence
    • • Commercial web based MUDs Peter Tyson
  • Commercial web based MUDs Matt Mihaly
• Majestic and Failure of Episodic Games Christopher Allen
• • Majestic and Failure of Episodic Games Dan Hon
  • Majestic and Failure of Episodic Games Matt Mihaly
  • Majestic and Failure of Episodic Games Talies the Wanderer
• [TECH] Eiffel and Assertions... Adam Martin
• • [TECH] Eiffel and Assertions... Brian Hook
• text MUDs' character longevity (The Two Towers) Val Trullinger
• [TECH] PS: Eiffel and Assertions... Adam Martin
• • [TECH] PS: Eiffel and Assertions... Ling Lo
  • [TECH] PS: Eiffel and Assertions... siege
• GDC (was Majestic and Failure of Episodic Games) Sellers, Mike
• Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
• • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day Travis Casey
  • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
  • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day volstoff@brutele.be
  • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
    • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day Sasha Hart
    • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
      • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day rayzam
        • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
        • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day Sasha Hart
        • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
          • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day Koster, Raph
            • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
            • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day Sasha Hart
            • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
              • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day Sasha Hart
                • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day John Buehler
                  • • Finding What a Gamer Lacks in Their Day Sasha Hart
• TECH: What about Perl flavored MUDs? James Edward Gray II
• • TECH: What about Perl flavored MUDs? Nicholas E. Walker
  • TECH: What about Perl flavored MUDs? Luke Parrish
  • • TECH: What about Perl flavored MUDs? James Edward Gray II
• MUD statistics Elia Mörling
• • MUD statistics Sanvean
  • • MUD statistics Matt Mihaly
• Secure distributed operation (was: Quake II has gone GPL) Nicholas E. Walker
• Economic Growth: NPC pricing Adam Martin
• • Economic Growth: NPC pricing Jason Murdick
  • Economic Growth: NPC pricing Paul Schwanz
  • • Economic Growth: NPC pricing Timothy Dang
• Crafting in MUDs Neil Edwards
• Econ paper on EQ Koster, Raph
• "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Jeff Freeman
  • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Travis Casey
    • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Michelle Elbert
      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Travis Casey
        • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Jeff Cole
          • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
            • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Jeff Cole
      • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Freeman, Jeff
      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) J C Lawrence
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Paul Schwanz
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) J C Lawrence
          • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Cynbe ru Taren
            • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Travis Casey
            • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Freeman, Jeff
            • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) J C Lawrence
            • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Travis Casey
        • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Miroslav Silovic
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Jon Lambert
    • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
  • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
      • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Michael Tresca
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Travis Casey
        • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MU Ds) Koster, Raph
  • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Dave Rickey
      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Dave Rickey
          • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) John Buehler
      • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) J C Lawrence
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
          • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) J C Lawrence
            • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
              • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) J C Lawrence
                • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Tamzen Cannoy
                • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                  • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Travis Casey
                    • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Travis Casey
                        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                          • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Travis Casey
                            • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                        • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Miroslav Silovic
                        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                          • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
                            • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                            • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Marian Griffith
                            • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                              • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Dave Rickey
                    • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Jon Lambert
                    • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Christopher Allen
                • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
                  • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Christopher Allen
                    • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORP Gs & MUDs) Matt Mihaly
• Creating a MUD - Overview of design Neil Edwards
• • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Edward Glowacki
  • • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Amanda Walker
    • • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Bruce Mitchener
      • • Creating a MUD - Overview of design J C Lawrence
      • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Valerio Santinelli
  • • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Shane Gough
    • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Sean Kelly
  • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • Creating a MUD - Overview of design Adam Dray
• Some random thoughts on balance Azeraab
• • Some random thoughts on balance Matt Mihaly
• Mud-Dev FAQ part II Marian Griffith
• Worlds of Carnage ( WoC ) blobule@hotmail.com
• • Worlds of Carnage ( WoC ) blobule@hotmail.com
  • • Worlds of Carnage ( WoC ) Blobule@hotmail.com
• Simutronics' premium server Matt Mihaly
• • Simutronics' premium server Christopher Allen
  • Simutronics' premium server Michael Dekker
  • • Simutronics' premium server Matt Mihaly
  • Simutronics' premium server Martin
• Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Brian Hook
• • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Michelle Elbert
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Michael Tresca
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Freeman, Jeff
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Paul Schwanz
  • • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Ling Lo
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Travis Nixon
  • • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Brian Hook
    • • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Amanda Walker
      • • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Sasha Hart
      • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" fred@clift.org
      • • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Marc Bowden
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Christopher Allen
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Matt Mihaly
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Skaei@aol.com
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" Alex Kay
  • Enforced log out aka "real sleep" rayzam
• Boys and Paul Schwanz
• • Boys and Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• Boys and Girls Marc Bowden
• Chess ("Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs)) James Edward Gray II
• • Chess ("Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (MMORPGs & MUDs)) Cynbe ru Taren
• "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? rayzam
• • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? Travis Casey
  • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? rayzam
    • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? Travis Casey
      • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? rayzam
        • • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? Travis Casey
  • "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? Jon Lambert
• BIZ amusing idea (Enforced log out aka "real sleep") Nicholas E. Walker
• • BIZ amusing idea (Enforced log out aka "real sleep") Valerio Santinelli