June 2001

• Distributed mud, testers needed Geir Harald Hansen
• Fwd: FW: The MERA Confrence Dragoness
• Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) Travis Nixon
• • Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) Kwon Ekstrom
  • • Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) Derek Licciardi
    • • Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) John Buehler
      • • Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) Derek Licciardi
        • • Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) John Buehler
          • Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) Matt Mihaly
          • • Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) Christopher Kohnert
          • Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) Marian Griffith
        • Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) Matt Mihaly
        • • Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) John Buehler
        • Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) Scion Altera
        • • Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) John Buehler
    • Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) Vincent Archer
  • Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) John Buehler
• Time articles on Lineage Koster, Raph
  http://www.time.com/time/interactive/entertainment/gangs_np.html
  
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  TIME MAGAZINE, JUNE 4, 2001, VOL.157 NO.22
  
  Where Does Fantasy End? Why all of South Korea is obsessed with an
  online game where ordinary folks can be arms dealers, murderers
  ... and elves
  
  By MICHELLE LEVANDER Seoul
  
  Five rough-looking men stepped out of a black sedan and burst into the
  Seoul PC cafe where Paek Jung Yul hangs out with Strong People Blood
  Pledge, his clan of online gamers. "Is the wizard here?" demanded one
  of the toughs, asking for the player who killed his character in an
  online game called Lineage. The "wizard" was there, alright, and he
  was feeling bold. He boasted that he had offed the gangman's virtual
  character just for the fun of it. Bad idea. The roughnecks dragged the
  21-year-old into the urinal and pummeled him until he was covered with
  real-world bruises.
  
  Paek describes the incident-now part of his clan's lore-with jaded
  nonchalance. Actual violence has become so commonplace among
  computer-game players that concerned authorities even have a term for
  it that borrows from the game: "off-line PK" (player killings). Paek,
  who relishes online killings as a refreshing change from his decorous
  real-life manner, allows that physical retribution is merited if
  players engage in particularly craven online behavior, such as theft
  or scams involving the game's coveted virtual weapons. Online revenge
  is O.K. too: "Usually, I kill the ones I hate," he says. Those are
  fighting words, coming from a shy, skinny 16-year-old who regularly
  tops his high-school class. But this is the other Paek speaking, the
  ruthless (and female-go figure) elf who is master of Lineage, a
  medieval fantasy game that has swept Korean society into a gaming
  frenzy. "In reality, I have few ways to express myself or show off,"
  Paek says. "But in the game, if I put in a little effort, many people
  will know who I am." In South Korea, a deeply conformist society where
  children must speak to elders with a special deferential grammar, this
  bloodthirsty game has caught on with a vengeance. In Lineage, gamers
  playing princes, wizards and elves fight one another to the death in
  mini-armies or clans, headed by guild masters, to gain control of the
  castles that dot the virtual world. The victors can then levy feudal
  taxes upon virtual villages under their control and dun gamers a
  percentage of each online weapons sale. All this can be fairly
  lucrative, especially since there's a thriving black market that
  exchanges the virtual items for cold, hard cash. But what makes the
  game so addictive is its complex feudal environment, which hooks
  players after they invest days or weeks building up the strength of
  their online characters. Based on its success in garnering online
  subscribers in Korea alone, Lineage is the most popular single
  interactive online game in the world right now, ahead of Sony's
  Everquest, Electronic Arts' Ultima Online or even Microsoft's
  Asheron's Call, according to Samsung Securities.
  
  Why does Lineage have such a hold in Korea? "This is a small country,"
  explains Joonmo Kwon, an educational psychologist. "If everyone you
  know plays Lineage, you have to play it." Besides, says Kwon, the
  game's emphasis on winning and working in groups speaks to the Korean
  spirit. And then there's the universal explanation for escapism: "In
  the real world, in Korea, you have to repress your drives and hidden
  desires. In the game they come out."
  
  In this wired nation, there are PC cafes on virtually every street,
  outfitted with the high-speed Internet connections that make
  interactive games crackle. Open 24 hours, and charging just $1 an hour
  to play, these game rooms are well stocked with cheese-whiz sausages,
  potato wafers and instant noodles. Many games are played here, but
  Lineage is the most addictive, authorities say. Two million people,
  out of a population of 46 million, have active Lineage accounts. And
  when day turns to evening, close to 100,000 Koreans can be found glued
  to computer terminals around the country, playing the game
  simultaneously. School kids in Seoul routinely doze through classes
  after playing all night. Parents either don't know or can't stop
  them. Shy young boys take on alter egos as aggressive killers
  online. A doctor plays ruthlessly while a neighborhood bully has a
  chance to show compassion. Girl characters, meanwhile, have sometimes
  been known to offer sexual favors to experienced male gamers in
  exchange for virtual weapons. But, as one Lineage clan's guild master
  notes, who's to say the girl characters are really girls?
  
  The game has also caught on with the loan-sharking gangsters active in
  the Korean entertainment industry. Some have seized control of Lineage
  castles, gamers say. They do a brisk side business trading in virtual
  weapons and levying taxes in the game. In between off-line heists,
  they boast among themselves about their online exploits. "They guard
  people for money in the game," says the sweet-faced girlfriend of one
  gangster, as she leans back into a red plush couch at a Seoul
  bar. "It's just like reality."
  
  At times, it seems like the whole nation is caught up in the
  confusion. Sandwiched between news of the latest political scandals,
  Korea's broadsheets revel in details of Lineage controversies. One
  March article in the Dong-A Ilbo reports on an online protest-when
  "more than 1,000 players gathered within the Lineage world"-after
  unscrupulous gamers took advantage of a computer glitch to make
  bootleg copies of the game's prized virtual weapons. Korea's
  intellectuals and literary hopefuls have also gotten caught up in the
  craze. Gamer Lee Seung Woo, a draftsman by day whose real-life hope is
  to find a girlfriend, has written a still unpublished novel about male
  friendship set in the game. Then there's literary critic Park Sang
  Woo, whose book on Korea's game players draws on the ideas of French
  philosopher Michel Foucault. "For the gamer, the game world is much
  more attractive than reality," he writes, based partly on his own
  experience. "Reality is only a space in which he makes a small amount
  of necessary money for continuing the game."
  
  Even Lineage developer NCsoft has gotten caught up in the virtual
  world of its own making. Systems administrators, often gamers
  themselves, have been fired for throwing online events in favor of one
  gaming clan or another. The company recently issued an online apology
  to its customers for one such incident and promised it would
  investigate any allegations of employee corruption. Kim Taek Jin,
  NCsoft's president, says gamers have attempted to buy off his staffers
  with gifts of up to $1,000 to manipulate the game. Korean newspapers
  report that some gangsters recently turned up at the company demanding
  personal information on online rivals to extract off-line retribution.
  
  Not surprisingly, NCsoft's Seoul headquarters is fortified with double
  steel doors and fingerprint scanners for the server room. "In Korea,"
  Kim says dryly about Lineage's diehard fans, "hate is a kind of love."
  To protect the game software, Kim has set up security procedures that
  might be more familiar to a bank. Meanwhile, vigilantes with names
  like the Honorable Resolution Clan take it upon themselves to monitor
  their own members as well as the behavior of unsavory rivals. Online
  killings are often accompanied by abusive curses and threats sent in
  instant messages. Sometimes, entire clans-numbering in the
  dozens-storm down to NCsoft headquarters to demand redress when
  another has wronged them. Others take a more legalistic approach,
  meticulously documenting grievances by taking "screen saves" of
  incriminating moments in online battles.
  
  Others prefer to settle their own scores, such as Paek's Strong People
  Blood Pledge clan. A number of the 16-year-old's gang sport the
  close-cropped haircuts and tight suits that gangsters here wear as a
  kind of uniform, he says. When members meet, they usually like to
  carry out online player killings together. Paek doesn't seem worried
  about the clan's reputed gangster ties. "It's O.K. when we get to know
  each other," he says. "If they are enemies, it's really scary."
  
  Authorities say three types of crime are common in the game: hacking
  into others' accounts to steal weapons, stealing users' online
  identification and fraud connected to the sale of virtual arms. Kim Gi
  Bum, an inspector in one of the police's new cybercrime units-founded
  after authorities were deluged with complaints from Lineage
  gamers-tells of a 14-year-old runaway who recently defrauded gamers
  out of about $10,000 by promising to sell them virtual weapons but not
  delivering the goods after he was paid. The boy, who often slept in
  the PC cafe where he played Lineage, pulled off 128 fraudulent deals
  over a year before he was captured.
  
  For the non-player, the mixing of reality and fantasy boggles the
  mind. But serious game players live their lives toggling between the
  two worlds. "The game doesn't affect reality," says a red-eyed addict
  after spending two nights playing virtually nonstop. "Reality affects
  the game."
  <---end quote
  
  http://www.time.com/time/interactive/entertainment/essay_np.html
  
  start quote--->
  TIME MAGAZINE, JUNE 4, 2001, VOL.157 NO.22
  
  In a Different World
  By MICHELLE LEVANDER
  
  For weeks, I negotiate through trusted emissaries to meet with the
  shadowy leader of the Han Empire Blood Clan. When he finally appears
  at our rendezvous point in a seamy red-light district of Seoul, I'm
  caught off guard. Wearing droopy trousers and a gray sweatshirt
  emblazoned with the words phat farm, a pudgy young man with a hesitant
  smile and a sniffle approaches me and bows. Surrounding him are his
  "fighters," a crew of shy and gangly youths, all with pale skin,
  unfashionable haircuts and rumpled clothing. In the real world, these
  guys don't get much respect. "When people meet me online they think
  I'm sharp, but when they meet me off-line, they advise me to lose
  weight," says guild master and leader Choi Jae Sum. "Online, I feel
  handsome and brave, with a sense of justice."
  
  At 27, Choi doesn't exactly fit the mold of the South Korean
  salaryman; he walks with a shuffle instead of toeing the line, and he
  failed the university entrance exams seen as key to a professional
  career. Then there's his offbeat hobby: building ant farms. But he's
  definitely got his own way of getting things done. Choi has managed to
  parlay a knack for computers-honed by a stint in a technical
  school-into a job as a systems administrator at Unitel Ltd. And he has
  become his family's main breadwinner since his father's restaurant
  shut down. Choi is renowned in the Lineage world for his gaming
  style. A hack-n-slash game, Lineage isn't for the faint of heart. But
  Choi is that rare bird who promotes a "mannered" style of online
  fighting. Only one clan member, a rogue with a taste for blood, is
  allowed to engage in the "player killings" that are routine in the
  game. And then only when it's necessary to avenge the clan's honor,
  explains a member as the gang munches on greasy sausage pizza at the
  fast food joint below their favorite PC cafe.
  
  But it's not until the ragtag group ambles upstairs and Choi sits down
  at the computer that I come to see him as a leader. His high-pitched
  voice deepens and his shoulders square as he enters the Lineage game
  and becomes Soldier Ant Prince, a name that draws upon his other
  hobby. "Since I am a prince and a guild master, many people believe in
  me and trust me, so I don't want to let them down," Choi says, as his
  virtual alter ego strides across a heath and comes to a stop outside
  an enemy castle. Soldiers patrol the ramparts, bristling with
  weapons. The steel doors are firmly bolted against outsiders. In a
  nearby village, knights are slaughtering monsters while a wizard
  battles an elf; each death is accompanied by a gooey splat. Choi's
  fingers dance on the keyboard as he sends an instant message to the
  guild master of the fortified castle explaining that he is with a
  journalist. The news prompts a brief moment of detente between these
  adversaries. First an enemy elf emerges. Then the guild master, a
  princess played by a 28-year-old man, ushers the Soldier Ant Prince
  inside. The two shake hands. For the blood-stained rivals, it's a
  dignified moment, filled with portent. "I was here once before," Choi
  whispers. "I was killed right there." His clan gathers round the
  computer, mouths agape in astonishment at their leader's bravery. "His
  life could be at stake," mutters one. Reveling in the brief truce, the
  Soldier Ant Prince poses online with the princess and her guards in an
  interior chamber of the castle for a historic screen save. It will go
  in the clan's online photo album along with other celebrated events in
  its family history. "If you are a man, you want to lead people," says
  Choi, as he preserves another image to embellish his reputation as the
  gamer's gamer.
  <---end quote
  
  And from the sidebar, which I can't get a direct URL to:
  
  start quote--->
  'I Thought It Was the End of My Life' A cautionary tale from a
  16-year-old Korean gamer
  
  By MICHELLE LEVANDER
  
  Noh Hyun-oh knows the difference between his real life and his virtual
  life -- most of the time. But sometimes, the 16-year-old Korean
  admits, things can get a little blurry. Especially after hours of
  sitting in front of the computer screen playing the wildly popular
  online game of Lineage.
  
  When Noh steps into the sunlight from one of Seoul's dimly lit PC
  cafes, the real world reminds him eerily of the medieval fantasy
  game. A glass of tomato juice reminds him of a magical potion, and
  whenever he loses something, he feels momentary alarm, knowing that
  once a character in the game loses his "items," it means he has died
  and lost his power.
  
  Noh isn't alone. Because almost everyone at his high school plays
  Lineage, the slang of the game has taken over the schoolyard. Fast
  runners have "taken a green potion," kids say, and when someone wants
  to leave the scene, he talks about 'teleporting' elsewhere. Then
  there's the fact that the most popular kids usually are rich in the
  game's virtual weapons. As a result other students curry favor with
  them in the hope of adding to their own arsenal.
  
  "The game is a game," Noh says, in the tone of someone working hard to
  convince himself. "But if it happens in real life it's really
  important. If I don't succeed in real life, it's bad for the
  future. But if I try hard in the game, I can get back something I
  lost."
  
  Still, one of Noh's most painful and confusing experiences occurred
  online, when he was betrayed during battle by a classmate that he
  considered his closest friend. And he's still coming to terms with
  it. Noh, a shy, brilliant student, enjoys the bloodthirsty game for
  its sociable side -- because it's easier to meet people online. He
  likes to chat with his school friends in the instant messages that
  whiz between battles.
  
  And so, one day, Noh told his best friend where he would be fighting
  in the Lineage world that afternoon -- and the character he would be
  playing. Noh, his voice shaking with emotion, recalls that traumatic
  day: "My close friend went to that spot and just killed me and took my
  weapons. I died by his hand."
  
  Noh hasn't fully recovered from the breach of trust. "It's not the
  same," he says. "I cried. I thought it was the end of my life." Since
  that day, Noh has developed his own credo for playing the game. While
  many friends revel in the anonymity that allows gamers to take on
  another personality online, he treats others the same in the game as
  he would offline. It helps him in both worlds, he says. "I don't have
  my real life online. I don't like hiding my real life."
  
  He adds: "The world of Lineage is just so simple. You kill monsters
  and chat with friends. In the real world, it's not so simple. People
  should stop and think about other people."
  <---end quote
  
  -Raph
• Article: Korea, Lineage.. SavantKnowsAll@cs.com
• • Article: Korea, Lineage.. Marc Fielding
• [Article] Time Article on Lineage Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
• off-line pk msew
• • off-line pk Matt Mihaly
  • off-line pk Freeman, Jeff
  • • off-line pk Koster, Raph
    • off-line pk Matt Mihaly
    • • off-line pk Matt Chatterley
      • off-line pk David Loeser
      • • off-line pk Koster, Raph
        • • off-line pk Dave Rickey
          • off-line pk Phillip Lenhardt
          • • off-line pk Koster, Raph
            • • off-line pk Phillip Lenhardt
              • • off-line pk Koster, Raph
                • • off-line pk Caliban Tiresias Darklock
                  • • off-line pk Koster, Raph
                    • • off-line pk Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        • off-line pk Jon Lambert
        • off-line pk Willowreed@aol.com
        • • off-line pk Dave Rickey
      • off-line pk Jeremy Noetzelman
      • • off-line pk Kroh, Clayton
    • off-line pk The_Druid
    • • off-line pk Marc Fielding
  • off-line pk Dave Kennerly
  • • off-line pk Matt Mihaly
  • off-line pk David Loeser
  • off-line pk Lee Sheldon
  • • off-line pk Matt Mihaly
  • off-line pk Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
  • • off-line pk Koster, Raph
• Where Does Fantasy End? Ling Lo
• • Where Does Fantasy End? Koster, Raph
• IMPORTANT NEW GRAPHICAL MUD Matt Mihaly
• • IMPORTANT NEW GRAPHICAL MUD David Loeser
  • IMPORTANT NEW GRAPHICAL MUD Edward Glowacki
• Localisation (was: Maintaining fiction.) Vincent Archer
• Buying benefits [was business models] Matt Chatterley
• • Buying benefits [was business models] Matt Mihaly
  • • Buying benefits [was business models] Lars Duening
    • Buying benefits [was business models] Matt Chatterley
• events per second? KevinL
• Hiding the Numbers/avatar representation rayzam
• • Hiding the Numbers/avatar representation Koster, Raph
• Why are we all making RPGs? Andrew Kirmse
• • Why are we all making RPGs? Freeman, Jeff
  • • Why are we all making RPGs? Sellers, Michael
    • Why are we all making RPGs? Koster, Raph
    • • Why are we all making RPGs? Freeman, Jeff
      • • Why are we all making RPGs? rayzam
  • Why are we all making RPGs? Dave Rickey
  • Why are we all making RPGs? Trump
  • • Why are we all making RPGs? Baron, Jonathan
  • Why are we all making RPGs? Brian 'Psychochild' Green
  • • Why are we all making RPGs? Lee Sheldon
    • • Why are we all making RPGs? Neil Brown
      • • Why are we all making RPGs? Lee Sheldon
      • Why are we all making RPGs? Travis Casey
      • • Why are we all making RPGs? Lee Sheldon
        • • Why are we all making RPGs? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • Why are we all making RPGs? Matt Mihaly
      • • Why are we all making RPGs? Lee Sheldon
        • • Why are we all making RPGs? Koster, Raph
  • Why are we all making RPGs? SeronisROTv3@aol.com
  • • Why are we all making RPGs? Koster, Raph
  • Why are we all making RPGs? Steve {Bloo} Daniels
  • Why are we all making RPGs? SavantKnowsAll@cs.com
• Min/maxing rayzam
• Buying benefits Corey Crawford
• • Buying benefits Neil Brown
  • • Buying benefits Corey Crawford
    • • Buying benefits Kevin Littlejohn
      • • Buying benefits Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        • • Buying benefits Matt Mihaly
        • Buying benefits Matt Mihaly
        • • Buying benefits Peter Tyson
          • • Buying benefits Matt Mihaly
            • • Buying benefits Marian Griffith
              • • Buying benefits Matt Mihaly
                • • Buying benefits Marian Griffith
                  • • Buying benefits Tess Lowe
                    • Buying benefits Matt Mihaly
                • Buying benefits Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                • • Buying benefits Matt Mihaly
                  • Buying benefits Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                  • Buying benefits Marian Griffith
          • Buying benefits Kevin Littlejohn
      • Buying benefits Matt Mihaly
    • Buying benefits Matt Mihaly
    • • Buying benefits Neil Brown
      • • Buying benefits Corey Crawford
        • Buying benefits Matt Mihaly
    • Buying benefits Kevin Littlejohn
  • Buying benefits Matt Mihaly
  • • Buying benefits Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
    • • Buying benefits Matt Mihaly
      • • Buying benefits Freeman, Jeff
        • Buying benefits Vincent Archer
        • • Buying benefits Matt Mihaly
          • • Buying benefits Peter Tyson
            • • Buying benefits Matt Mihaly
              • • Buying benefits Peter Tyson
                • • Buying benefits Matt Mihaly
                  • • Buying benefits Peter Tyson
                    • • Buying benefits Matt Mihaly
            • Buying benefits Vincent Archer
            • • Buying benefits shren
        • Buying benefits Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
  • Buying benefits Mathue Moyer
• The Permadeath of PvP (was Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) Lee Sheldon
• • The Permadeath of PvP (was Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) Dave Rickey
  • The Permadeath of PvP (was Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) Derek Licciardi
  • • The Permadeath of PvP (was Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) Matt Mihaly
  • The Permadeath of PvP (was Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) Matt Mihaly
  • • The Permadeath of PvP (was Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) Lee Sheldon
• [Biz] Worlds Apart's THE ETERNAL CITY joines the Skotos Community Christopher Allen
• Buying benefits Bruce
• • Buying benefits Matt Chatterley
  • • Buying benefits shren
    • • Buying benefits Lars Duening
• Definition of permadeath (was: Maintaining fiction) Christopher Kohnert
• • Definition of permadeath (was: Maintaining fiction) Madman Across the Water
• Security in MUDs - MMORPGs Adam Martin
• • Security in MUDs - MMORPGs Sean Kelly
  • • Security in MUDs - MMORPGs Adam Martin
  • Security in MUDs - MMORPGs Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • Security in MUDs - MMORPGs Jon Leonard
• Buying benefits Timothy Dang
• The Permadeath of PvP (was Hiding the Numbers (was Koster, Raph
• [TECH] Abrash's book available online Bruce
• Player control of NPCs Mordengaard
• • Player control of NPCs Travis Casey
  • • Player control of NPCs rayzam
  • Player control of NPCs Sanvean
  • • Player control of NPCs Matt Chatterley
  • Player control of NPCs Matt Chatterley
• Korean Govt. joins the revolution. SavantKnowsAll@cs.com
• • Korean Govt. joins the revolution. Sean Kelly
  • • Korean Govt. joins the revolution. Matt Mihaly
  • Korean Govt. joins the revolution. Jake Song
• Neverwinter Nights Trent Oster
• The Permadeath of PvP (was Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) Adam Martin
• • The Permadeath of PvP (was Hiding the Numbers (was Maintaining fiction.) Lee Sheldon
• [TECH] Cplant Bruce
• Summary of PvP attempts? Brian Hook
• • Summary of PvP attempts? Koster, Raph
  • • Summary of PvP attempts? Frank Crowell
    • • Summary of PvP attempts? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • Summary of PvP attempts? Matt Mihaly
    • Summary of PvP attempts? Frank Crowell
    • Summary of PvP attempts? Steve {Bloo} Daniels
    • Summary of PvP attempts? Matt Mihaly
    • • Summary of PvP attempts? Brian Hook
      • • Summary of PvP attempts? Trump
        • • Summary of PvP attempts? Brian Hook
          • • Summary of PvP attempts? Trump
            • Summary of PvP attempts? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
          • Summary of PvP attempts? Matt Mihaly
        • Summary of PvP attempts? Corey Crawford
      • Summary of PvP attempts? Neil Brown
      • • Summary of PvP attempts? Matt Mihaly
        • Summary of PvP attempts? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • Summary of PvP attempts? Batir
      • Summary of PvP attempts? Vincent Archer
      • • Summary of PvP attempts? Koster, Raph
      • Summary of PvP attempts? Steve {Bloo} Daniels
    • Summary of PvP attempts? Freeman, Jeff
  • Summary of PvP attempts? Brian Hook
  • • Summary of PvP attempts? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • Summary of PvP attempts? Dave Kennerly
• Viewpoint and motion sickness was:Neverwinter Nights Tamzen Cannoy
• • Viewpoint and motion sickness was:Neverwinter Nights rayzam
  • • Viewpoint and motion sickness was:Neverwinter Nights Madrona Tree
    • • Viewpoint and motion sickness was:Neverwinter Nights rayzam
    • Viewpoint and motion sickness was:Neverwinter Nights Luc Van den Borre
  • Viewpoint and motion sickness was:Neverwinter Night s Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • • Viewpoint and motion sickness was:Neverwinter Nights Rob Ellis II
    • Viewpoint and motion sickness was:Neverwinter Night s Madrona Tree
• Physical tokens... The stone Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• The Permadeath of PvP (was Hiding the Numbers Lee Sheldon
• • The Permadeath of PvP (was Hiding the Numbers Dave Rickey
  • • The Permadeath of PvP (was Hiding the Numbers Lee Sheldon
• Viewpoint and motion sickness was:Neverwinter Night s Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
• The Sapience Group Matt Mihaly
• Aetolia Matt Mihaly
• • Aetolia Koster, Raph
  • • Aetolia Matt Mihaly
    • • Aetolia Dave Kennerly
      • • Aetolia Valerio Santinelli
        • • Aetolia Dave Kennerly
          • • Aetolia Valerio Santinelli
  • Aetolia Ian Collyer
  • • Aetolia Matt Mihaly
    • Aetolia shren
• Alternatives to PvP for sustainable fiction? Sean Kelly
• • Alternatives to PvP for sustainable fiction? Brian Hook
  • Alternatives to PvP for sustainable fiction? Derek Licciardi
  • Alternatives to PvP for sustainable fiction? rayzam
  • • Alternatives to PvP for sustainable fiction? Sean Kelly
  • Alternatives to PvP for sustainable fiction? Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • • Alternatives to PvP for sustainable fiction? Matt Mihaly
    • Alternatives to PvP for sustainable fiction? shren
  • Alternatives to PvP for sustainable fiction? Matt Mihaly
  • • Alternatives to PvP for sustainable fiction? Sean Kelly
    • • Alternatives to PvP for sustainable fiction? Matt Mihaly
      • • Alternatives to PvP for sustainable fiction? Sean Kelly
        • • Alternatives to PvP for sustainable fiction? Matt Mihaly
          • Alternatives to PvP for sustainable fiction? Travis Nixon
• Viewpoint and motion sickness was:Neverwinter Night s Malcolm Tester
• • Viewpoint and motion sickness was:Neverwinter Night s rayzam
  • • Viewpoint and motion sickness was:Neverwinter Night s Malcolm Tester
    • Viewpoint and motion sickness was:Neverwinter Night s Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
    • • Viewpoint and motion sickness was:Neverwinter Night s Derek Snider
      • • Viewpoint and motion sickness was:Neverwinter Night s Brian 'Psychochild' Green
        • • Viewpoint and motion sickness was:Neverwinter Night s Derek Snider
  • Viewpoint and motion sickness was:Neverwinter Night s Neil Brown
  • Viewpoint and motion sickness was:Neverwinter Night s Kwon Ekstrom
• Buying benefits Phillip Lenhardt
• • Buying benefits Matt Mihaly
  • • Buying benefits Ian Collyer
• Focus on Hocus Pocus Matt Chatterley
• • Focus on Hocus Pocus Wes Connell
  • • Focus on Hocus Pocus Edward Glowacki
    • Focus on Hocus Pocus Federico Di Gregorio
  • Focus on Hocus Pocus Sean Kelly
  • • Focus on Hocus Pocus Madman Across the Water
  • Focus on Hocus Pocus Corey Crawford
  • • Focus on Hocus Pocus Adam Martin
    • Focus on Hocus Pocus Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
    • • Focus on Hocus Pocus Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
    • Focus on Hocus Pocus Matt Chatterley
  • Focus on Hocus Pocus rayzam
  • • Focus on Hocus Pocus Matt Chatterley
    • • Focus on Hocus Pocus rayzam
  • Focus on Hocus Pocus Bruce
  • • Focus on Hocus Pocus Travis Casey
  • Focus on Hocus Pocus Trump
  • • Focus on Hocus Pocus S. Patrick Gallaty
  • Focus on Hocus Pocus Adam Martin
  • Focus on Hocus Pocus Ian Collyer
  • Focus on Hocus Pocus Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • Focus on Hocus Pocus Vincent Archer
  • Focus on Hocus Pocus Michael Tresca
  • • Focus on Hocus Pocus Travis Casey
    • Focus on Hocus Pocus Tamzen Cannoy
  • Focus on Hocus Pocus David Pemberton
  • Focus on Hocus Pocus Peter Tyson
  • • Focus on Hocus Pocus Hulbert, Leland
    • Focus on Hocus Pocus Michael Tresca
  • Focus on Hocus Pocus Hulbert, Leland
  • • Focus on Hocus Pocus Troy Fisher
    • • Focus on Hocus Pocus J C Lawrence
      • Focus on Hocus Pocus Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • Focus on Hocus Pocus Eli Stevens
  • Focus on Hocus Pocus Kwon Ekstrom
  • Focus on Hocus Pocus azeraab
  • Focus on Hocus Pocus Eli Stevens
• Viewpoint and motion sickness Sean K
• On socialization and convenience Koster, Raph
• • On socialization and convenience Freeman, Jeff
  • • On socialization and convenience SavantKnowsAll@cs.com
    • On socialization and convenience Koster, Raph
    • • On socialization and convenience Freeman, Jeff
      • • On socialization and convenience Freeman, Jeff
        • On socialization and convenience Jon Lambert
        • • On socialization and convenience J C Lawrence
        • On socialization and convenience Adam Martin
    • On socialization and convenience Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
    • • On socialization and convenience Marian Griffith
  • On socialization and convenience Sean Kelly
  • • On socialization and convenience Koster, Raph
    • • On socialization and convenience Freeman, Jeff
      • • On socialization and convenience Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • On socialization and convenience Peter Tyson
  • On socialization and convenience Timothy O'Neill Dang
  • • On socialization and convenience Dave Rickey
    • • On socialization and convenience Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • On socialization and convenience Brian Hook
        • On socialization and convenience Dave Rickey
      • On socialization and convenience SavantKnowsAll@cs.com
      • • On socialization and convenience Dave Rickey
        • • On socialization and convenience Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • On socialization and convenience Koster, Raph
      • • On socialization and convenience Freeman, Jeff
        • • On socialization and convenience Vincent Archer
    • On socialization and convenience Koster, Raph
    • • On socialization and convenience Travis Nixon
  • On socialization and convenience Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • • On socialization and convenience Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • On socialization and convenience Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • On socialization and convenience Vincent Archer
    • • On socialization and convenience Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • On socialization and convenience shren
      • • On socialization and convenience Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        • • On socialization and convenience Brian Hook
          • • On socialization and convenience Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
            • • On socialization and convenience Brian Hook
          • On socialization and convenience Vincent Archer
    • On socialization and convenience Travis Nixon
    • • On socialization and convenience Sean Kelly
  • On socialization and convenience Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • • On socialization and convenience Koster, Raph
  • On socialization and convenience John Buehler
  • • On socialization and convenience Koster, Raph
    • • On socialization and convenience John Buehler
      • On socialization and convenience Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • On socialization and convenience John Buehler
  • On socialization and convenience Matt Mihaly
  • • On socialization and convenience Koster, Raph
    • • On socialization and convenience Matt Mihaly
  • On socialization and convenience rayzam
  • On socialization and convenience Michael Tresca
  • • On socialization and convenience Sean Kelly
    • • On socialization and convenience Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • On socialization and convenience Matt Mihaly
      • On socialization and convenience Vincent Archer
      • On socialization and convenience Travis Nixon
      • On socialization and convenience Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      • • On socialization and convenience J C Lawrence
        • • On socialization and convenience Caliban Tiresias Darklock
          • • On socialization and convenience J C Lawrence
            • • On socialization and convenience Dave Rickey
              • • On socialization and convenience J C Lawrence
          • On socialization and convenience Bruce
          • • On socialization and convenience J C Lawrence
        • On socialization and convenience Koster, Raph
        • • On socialization and convenience Travis Nixon
          • • On socialization and convenience Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
          • On socialization and convenience Lee Sheldon
          • • On socialization and convenience Bruce
          • On socialization and convenience Dave Kennerly
          • • On socialization and convenience J C Lawrence
          • On socialization and convenience J C Lawrence
          • • On socialization and convenience Ian Collyer
            • • On socialization and convenience J C Lawrence
              • • On socialization and convenience Ian Collyer
                • • On socialization and convenience rayzam
              • On socialization and convenience Jay Carlson
          • On socialization and convenience Ian Collyer
          • • On socialization and convenience Koster, Raph
            • • On socialization and convenience Ian Collyer
              • On socialization and convenience Caliban Tiresias Darklock
              • • On socialization and convenience Jay Carlson
                • • On socialization and convenience Caliban Tiresias Darklock
          • On socialization and convenience Auli
          • • On socialization and convenience rayzam
    • On socialization and convenience rayzam
    • On socialization and convenience Matt Mihaly
    • • On socialization and convenience Michael Tresca
    • On socialization and convenience Adam Martin
    • • On socialization and convenience Michael Tresca
      • • On socialization and convenience J C Lawrence
  • On socialization and convenience Paul Sage
  • • On socialization and convenience Koster, Raph
    • On socialization and convenience Marian Griffith
    • • On socialization and convenience rayzam
      • On socialization and convenience Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • On socialization and convenience Derek Licciardi
      • • On socialization and convenience J C Lawrence
  • On socialization and convenience Peter Tyson
  • • On socialization and convenience Jon Lambert
    • On socialization and convenience Michael Tresca
  • On socialization and convenience SavantKnowsAll@cs.com
  • • On socialization and convenience Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • • On socialization and convenience J C Lawrence
      • • On socialization and convenience Timothy O'Neill Dang
        • • On socialization and convenience J C Lawrence
        • On socialization and convenience Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        • • On socialization and convenience Alex Kay
          • • On socialization and convenience Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
            • On socialization and convenience Vincent Archer
            • On socialization and convenience shren
      • On socialization and convenience J C Lawrence
  • On socialization and convenience Daniel A. Koepke
  • On socialization and convenience Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
  • On socialization and convenience Geoffrey A. MacDougall
  • • On socialization and convenience Koster, Raph
    • • On socialization and convenience Freeman, Jeff
      • On socialization and convenience Geoffrey A. MacDougall
      • On socialization and convenience Marian Griffith
  • On socialization and convenience Auli
  • On socialization and convenience Brian Hook
  • • On socialization and convenience Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • On socialization and convenience J C Lawrence
  • • On socialization and convenience Matt Mihaly
  • On socialization and convenience Koster, Raph
  • On socialization and convenience grafx@innovativestudios.com
  • • On socialization and convenience Matt Mihaly
    • On socialization and convenience J C Lawrence
• 3rd person text MUDs Colin Coghill
• • 3rd person text MUDs Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • • 3rd person text MUDs Matt Owen
  • 3rd person text MUDs Richard A. Bartle
• TEC in PC Gamer Bruce
• Language Parsing for NPCs Aaron Mulder
• • Language Parsing for NPCs Robert Zubek
  • • Language Parsing for NPCs Aaron Mulder
    • • Language Parsing for NPCs Troy Fisher
      • • Language Parsing for NPCs Robert Zubek
      • Language Parsing for NPCs Robert Zubek
      • • Language Parsing for NPCs Bruce
        • • Language Parsing for NPCs Robert Zubek
  • Language Parsing for NPCs Sanvean
• PK headaches Matt Mihaly
• • PK headaches Ian Hess
  • • PK headaches Matt Mihaly
• When the interface becomes the challenge. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • When the interface becomes the challenge. Alex Kay
  • • When the interface becomes the challenge. Brian Hook
    • • When the interface becomes the challenge. Dave Rickey
      • • When the interface becomes the challenge. J C Lawrence
      • When the interface becomes the challenge. Travis Nixon
      • • When the interface becomes the challenge. Lee Sheldon
        • • When the interface becomes the challenge. Brian Hook
          • • When the interface becomes the challenge. Ling Lo
            • When the interface becomes the challenge. Dave Rickey
            • • When the interface becomes the challenge. Brian Hook
              • • When the interface becomes the challenge. Dave Rickey
        • When the interface becomes the challenge. Adam Martin
        • • When the interface becomes the challenge. Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • When the interface becomes the challenge. Caliban Tiresias Darklock
    • • When the interface becomes the challenge. Travis Nixon
      • • When the interface becomes the challenge. Caliban Tiresias Darklock
    • When the interface becomes the challenge. J C Lawrence
    • When the interface becomes the challenge. Koster, Raph
    • • When the interface becomes the challenge. Andrew Wilson
      • • When the interface becomes the challenge. Edward Glowacki
        • • When the interface becomes the challenge. Andrew Wilson
          • • When the interface becomes the challenge. Edward Glowacki
            • • When the interface becomes the challenge. J C Lawrence
              • • When the interface becomes the challenge. Edward Glowacki
      • When the interface becomes the challenge. Matt Owen
      • When the interface becomes the challenge. Alex Kay
• NWN and pay for play Geoffrey A. MacDougall
• • NWN and pay for play Freeman, Jeff
• Definition of a character (was: Maintaining fiction.) Ian Collyer
• • Definition of a character (was: Maintaining fiction.) Matt Mihaly
  • • Definition of a character (was: Maintainingfiction.) Ian Collyer
    • • Definition of a character (was: Maintainingfiction.) J C Lawrence
• Definition of permadeath (was: Maintaining fiction.) Ian Collyer
• • Definition of permadeath (was: Maintaining fiction.) Matt Mihaly
  • • Definition of permadeath (was: Maintaining fiction.) Ian Collyer
• Anyone going to GENCON 2001 Derek Licciardi
• • Anyone going to GENCON 2001 J C Lawrence
• Identity Theft and MUDding Anthony R. Haslage
• • Identity Theft and MUDding Matt Mihaly
  • • Identity Theft and MUDding Robert Fleck
    • • Identity Theft and MUDding Matt Mihaly
• Absolute Death (legalese mode on) shren
• • Absolute Death (legalese mode on) Matt Mihaly
  • • Absolute Death (legalese mode on) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
    • • Absolute Death (legalese mode on) Matt Mihaly
      • • Absolute Death (legalese mode on) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• NWN- Pay for play Trent Oster
• Interpersonal Relationships Ronan Farrell
• • Interpersonal Relationships Michael Tresca
  • • Interpersonal Relationships Ronan Farrell
  • Interpersonal Relationships quzah
  • • Interpersonal Relationships J C Lawrence
    • • Interpersonal Relationships quzah
      • • Interpersonal Relationships Marian Griffith
  • Interpersonal Relationships Freeman, Jeff
  • Interpersonal Relationships Matt Mihaly
  • Interpersonal Relationships Marian Griffith
  • • Interpersonal Relationships Matt Mihaly
  • Interpersonal Relationships Ronan Farrell
• [PVP] Another essay on PVP Frank Crowell
• Speech to Text, Eli Stevens
• • Speech to Text, John Buehler
  • Speech to Text, J C Lawrence
  • Speech to Text, Adam Martin
  • • Speech to Text, Madrona Tree
    • • Speech to Text, John Buehler
      • Speech to Text, Travis Casey
      • • Speech to Text, Adam Martin
• Website Live Lee Sheldon
• Address change notification Vincent Archer
• Real lawsuit over virtual property Dave Rickey
• UDP vs TCP/IP Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
• • UDP vs TCP/IP J C Lawrence
  • • UDP vs TCP/IP Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • UDP vs TCP/IP J C Lawrence
  • UDP vs TCP/IP Andrew Kirmse
  • UDP vs TCP/IP J C Lawrence
  • UDP vs TCP/IP J C Lawrence
  • • UDP vs TCP/IP Jon Lambert
  • UDP vs TCP/IP Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • • UDP vs TCP/IP Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • UDP vs TCP/IP Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
• Permadeath definition thread J C Lawrence
• List rituals Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • List rituals J C Lawrence
  • • List rituals Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • List rituals Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • List Rituals John Robert Arras
      • List rituals J C Lawrence
      • • List rituals Travis Casey
        • • List rituals J C Lawrence
          • List rituals J C Lawrence
          • • List rituals J C Lawrence
        • List rituals Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • List rituals Marian Griffith
    • List rituals yospe@kanga.nu
    • • List rituals J C Lawrence
      • • List rituals Caliban Tiresias Darklock
        • • List rituals J C Lawrence
        • List rituals yospe@kanga.nu
        • • List rituals J C Lawrence
• Non-combat advancement and roleplay Brian 'Psychochild' Green
• • Non-combat advancement and roleplay rayzam
  • • Non-combat advancement and roleplay Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
    • Non-combat advancement and roleplay Ashen Temper
  • Non-combat advancement and roleplay J C Lawrence
  • Non-combat advancement and roleplay Matt Mihaly
  • Non-combat advancement and roleplay Trump
  • Non-combat advancement and roleplay holding99@mindspring.com
  • • Non-combat advancement and roleplay John Buehler
    • • Non-combat advancement and roleplay J C Lawrence
      • • Non-combat advancement and roleplay holding99@mindspring.com
        • Non-combat advancement and roleplay Travis Casey
        • Non-combat advancement and roleplay John Buehler
  • Non-combat advancement and roleplay Michael Tresca
• When is the game a game? Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• • When is the game a game? Travis Casey
  • • When is the game a game? Caliban Tiresias Darklock
    • • When is the game a game? Travis Casey
      • When is the game a game? Phillip Lenhardt
  • When is the game a game? Matt Mihaly
  • When is the game a game? J C Lawrence
  • When is the game a game? F. Randall Farmer
• Definition of a character II, permadeath and "who's running this show anyway?" Ian Collyer
• • Definition of a character II, permadeath and "who's running this show anyway?" Matt Mihaly
• TECH: ColdStore and MUDs ryan daum
• • TECH: ColdStore and MUDs Phillip Lenhardt
• Trust systems and Player-Run Reputation Travis Nixon
• • Trust systems and Player-Run Reputation Brian Hook
  • • Trust systems and Player-Run Reputation Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • • Trust systems and Player-Run Reputation Brian Hook
      • Trust systems and Player-Run Reputation Travis Nixon
  • Trust systems and Player-Run Reputation Phillip Lenhardt
• Magic system that can do anything Eli Stevens
• • Magic system that can do anything matt hellige
  • • Magic system that can do anything John Buehler
• Player Goals rayzam
• Value in the Economy of the MOG Delphine T. Lynx
• • Value in the Economy of the MOG Matt Mihaly
  • Value in the Economy of the MOG Federico Di Gregorio
  • • Value in the Economy of the MOG J C Lawrence
    • • Value in the Economy of the MOG Federico Di Gregorio
      • • Value in the Economy of the MOG J C Lawrence
  • Value in the Economy of the MOG Dave Rickey
  • • Value in the Economy of the MOG Derek Licciardi
    • • Value in the Economy of the MOG Dave Rickey
      • • Value in the Economy of the MOG J C Lawrence
        • • Value in the Economy of the MOG Michael Tresca
          • • Value in the Economy of the MOG rayzam
      • Value in the Economy of the MOG Ashen Temper
  • Value in the Economy of the MOG Marian Griffith
  • Value in the Economy of the MOG J C Lawrence
  • Value in the Economy of the MOG Ashen Temper
• Re[4]: List rituals Travis Casey
• • Re[4]: List rituals J C Lawrence
  • • Re[4]: List rituals Travis Casey
    • Re[4]: List rituals Travis Nixon
• Player run systems (was Player run reputation system) John Hopson
• • Player run systems (was Player run reputation system) J Todd Coleman
  • • Player run systems (was Player run reputation system) J C Lawrence
    • • Player run systems (was Player run reputation system) David Bennett