April 2001

• Camelot Beta 3 Dave Rickey
• • Camelot Beta 3 Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • • Camelot Beta 3 Vincent Archer
    • • Camelot Beta 3 Derek Licciardi
      • Camelot Beta 3 Darrin Hyrup
      • • Camelot Beta 3 Vincent Archer
        • • Camelot Beta 3 Dave Rickey
          • • Camelot Beta 3 Darrin Hyrup
    • Camelot Beta 3 Auli
• Room Searching Jared
• • Room Searching shren
  • Room Searching Travis Casey
  • Room Searching Eli Stevens
  • Room Searching Derek Licciardi
  • • Room Searching Adam Martin
  • Room Searching Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
  • Room Searching Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • Room Searching David Bennett
• Sims Online -- WAS: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #301 - 15 msgs Zak Jarvis
• Mera '01 report Cassandra
• • Mera '01 report Jake Song
  • • Mera '01 report J C Lawrence
    • • Mera '01 report Jake Song
      • • Mera '01 report J C Lawrence
        • • Mera '01 report Cassandra
• Learning about MUDs (was: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #301 - 15 msgs) Brian 'Psychochild' Green
• • Learning about MUDs (was: MUD-Dev digest, V ol 1 #301 - 15 msgs) McQuaid, Brad
  • • Learning about MUDs (was: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #301 - 15 msgs) Derek Licciardi
    • • Learning about MUDs (was: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #301 - 15 msgs) Travis Nixon
    • Learning about MUDs (was: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #301 - 15 msgs) Brian 'Psychochild' Green
    • • Learning about MUDs (was: MUD-Dev digest, V ol 1 #301 - 15 msgs) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • Learning about MUDs (was: MUD-Dev digest, V ol 1 #301 - 15 msgs) Koster, Raph
      • Learning about MUDs (was: MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #301 - 15 msgs) Jim S
    • Learning about MUDs (was: MUD-Dev digest, V ol 1 #301 - 15 msgs) Freeman, Jeff
    • Learning about MUDs (was: MUD-Dev digest, V ol 1 #301 - 15 msgs) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • Learning about MUDs (was: MUD-Dev digest, V ol 1 #301 - 15 msgs) Vincent Archer
    • • Learning about MUDs (was: MUD-Dev digest, V ol 1 #301 - 15 msgs) Timothy Dang
• www.innbetweenworlds.com Klimon, Ian
• MERA '01 followup: Success critera Zak Jarvis
• MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #303 - 17 msgs Dr. Cat
• • MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #303 - 17 msgs Baron, Jonathan
  • • MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #303 - 17 msgs John Buehler
    • • MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #303 - 17 msgs Baron, Jonathan
• ADMIN: HTML email, the reasons against J C Lawrence
• Need for a departure from reality? Matt Mihaly
• Broken Economies (was Learning about MUDs) geoffrey@yorku.ca
• • Broken Economies (was Learning about MUDs) Koster, Raph
  • • Broken Economies (was Learning about MUDs) Timothy Dang
    • • Broken Economies (was Learning about MUDs) Koster, Raph
      • • Broken Economies (was Learning about MUDs) Timothy Dang
        • • Broken Economies (was Learning about MUDs) Madman Across the Water
  • Broken Economies (was Learning about MUDs) Derek Licciardi
  • • Broken Economies (was Learning about MUDs) Vincent Archer
  • Broken Economies (was Learning about MUDs) Sellers, Michael
• Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
• • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Zak Jarvis
  • • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space John Buehler
  • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Brian Hook
  • • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Jerrith
    • • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Brian Hook
      • • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Jerrith
        • • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Brian Hook
          • • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space John Buehler
            • • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Brian Hook
              • • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space John Buehler
                • • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Brian Hook
                  • • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space John Buehler
                    • • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Travis Casey
                      • • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space John Buehler
                    • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Ben Sizer
        • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Mod el Space Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space shren
      • • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Travis Casey
  • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space shren
  • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Philip
  • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Hal Bonnin
  • • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Brian Hook
  • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Kwon Ekstrom
  • • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Travis Casey
  • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space rayzam
• RE:The Sims Online (was MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #301 - 15 msgs) Sellers, Michael
• Sv: Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Nicolai Hansen
• • Sv: Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Travis Casey
  • • Sv: Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Kwon Ekstrom
    • • Sv: Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Travis Casey
• ADMIN: Subject header maintenance (was: Broken currencies) J C Lawrence
• Broken currencies Matt Mihaly
• • Broken currencies Jim S
  • • Broken currencies Koster, Raph
    • Broken currencies Lars Duening
    • • Broken currencies Matt Mihaly
      • • Broken currencies Lars Duening
  • Broken currencies Brian 'Psychochild' Green
  • • Broken currencies Matt Mihaly
    • Broken currencies Timothy Dang
  • Broken currencies Phillip Lenhardt
  • • Broken currencies Matt Mihaly
    • • Broken currencies Phillip Lenhardt
      • • Broken currencies John Buehler
        • • Broken currencies Derek Licciardi
          • • Broken currencies Ben Sizer
            • • Broken currencies Adam Martin
              • • Broken currencies Ben Sizer
        • Broken currencies Matt Mihaly
      • Broken currencies Timothy Dang
  • Broken currencies Michael Dekker
  • • Broken currencies Miroslav Silovic
    • • Broken currencies Matt Mihaly
    • Broken currencies Timothy Dang
• [DGN] Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Ananda Dawnsinger
• • [DGN] Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Travis Casey
• Broken currencies Matt Mihaly
• The Sims Online (was MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #301 - 15 msgs) Baron, Jonathan
• • The Sims Online (was MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #301 - 15 msgs) Sellers, Michael
  • • The Sims Online (was MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #301 - 15 msgs) Baron, Jonathan
  • The Sims Online (was MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #301 - 15 msgs) Dave Rickey
  • • The Sims Online (was MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #301 - 15 msgs) F. Randall Farmer
  • The Sims Online (was MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #301 - 15 msgs) Lee Sheldon
• The Monad (was: Broken Economies) shren
• • The Monad (was: Broken Economies) Matt Mihaly
  • • The Monad (was: Broken Economies) John Buehler
    • • The Monad (was: Broken Economies) Matt Mihaly
• A User's Guide to TCP Windows J C Lawrence
• Balance J C Lawrence
• Economic & Derek Licciardi
• • Economic & Matt Mihaly
  • • Economic & Timothy Dang
• Money supply in game economies (formerly Broken economies) Matt Mihaly
• • Money supply in game economies (formerly Brokeneconomies) geoffrey@yorku.ca
  • • Money supply in game economies (formerly Brokeneconomies) Matt Mihaly
    • • Money supply in game economies (formerly Brokeneconomies) Timothy Dang
  • Money supply in game economies (formerly Broken eco nomies) Koster, Raph
  • • Money supply in game economies (formerly Broken eco nomies) J C Lawrence
    • • Money supply in game economies (formerly Broken eco nomies) Matt Mihaly
      • • Money supply in game economies (formerly Broken economies) Adam Martin
  • Money supply in game economies (formerly Broken economies) Timothy Dang
  • • Money supply in game economies (formerly Broken eco nomies) Freeman, Jeff
• [DGN] Balancing Melee/Ranged Combat Kwon Ekstrom
• Room Searching - how about doors? Gavin Doughtie
• Tracking Hulbert, Leland
• • Tracking Mordengaard
  • • Tracking Sanvean
  • Tracking Ryan P.
  • • Tracking Shawn L Johnston
• Online Games get an overview Koster, Raph
• [DGN] Money supply in game economies (formerly Brok en economies) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
• [DSG] Concrete idea behind currency (was: The Monad and Broken Economies) Paul Schwanz
• Majestic (was The Sims Online) Matt Mihaly
• • Majestic (was The Sims Online) Baron, Jonathan
  • • Majestic (was The Sims Online) Matt Mihaly
    • • Majestic (was The Sims Online) Baron, Jonathan
      • Majestic (was The Sims Online) Sellers, Michael
      • • Majestic (was The Sims Online) Matt Mihaly
• Majestic (was The Sims Online) Matt Mihaly
• Identity and Economies [was Money supply in game economies (formerly Broken eco nomies) ] Joe Andrieu
• Virtual Suicide (Was: Money supply in game economies) Dave Rickey
• • Virtual Suicide (Was: Money supply in game economie s) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • • Virtual Suicide (Was: Money supply in game economies) Dave Rickey
    • • Virtual Suicide (Was: Money supply in game economie s) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • Virtual Suicide (Was: Money supply in game economies) Dave Rickey
• The Sims Online (was MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #301 - 15 msgs) Baron, Jonathan
• Distributed Muds Jim Craig
• [DSG] Money supply in game economies (was: Broken Economies) Paul Schwanz
• TECH DGN: (was Broken currencies) Nathan F.Yospe
• [DESIGN] Economic & Marian Griffith
• • [DESIGN] Economic & Derek Licciardi
  • • [DESIGN] Economic & Marian Griffith
    • • [DESIGN] Economic & John Buehler
      • [DESIGN] Economic & Travis Nixon
      • • [DESIGN] Economic & Travis Casey
        • [DESIGN] Economic & Matt Mihaly
        • • [DESIGN] Economic & Travis Nixon
          • • [DESIGN] Economic & Matt Mihaly
• Author Unknown (was: Money supply in game economies) Emil Eifrém
• TECH: Distributed Muds Emil Eifrém
• • TECH: Distributed Muds Jim Craig
  • • TECH: Distributed Muds Frank Crowell
    • TECH: Distributed Muds Colin Coghill
    • • TECH: Distributed Muds Vincent Archer
      • • TECH: Distributed Muds Derek Snider
        • • TECH: Distributed Muds Vincent Archer
          • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
            • TECH: Distributed Muds Derek Snider
            • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
              • • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
                • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
                • TECH: Distributed Muds Vincent Archer
                • TECH: Distributed Muds Derek Snider
                • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
                  • • TECH: Distributed Muds Derek Snider
                    • • TECH: Distributed Muds Brian Hook
                      • • TECH: Distributed Muds Derek Snider
                        • • TECH: Distributed Muds Brian Hook
                  • TECH: Distributed Muds Adam Martin
• Shattered World's economy John W Pierce
• • Shattered World's economy Erik Jarvi
• [BIZ] Advertising sprawl (yahoo) J C Lawrence
• • [BIZ] Advertising sprawl (yahoo) Frank Crowell
  • [BIZ] Advertising sprawl (yahoo) Lars Duening
  • • [BIZ] Advertising sprawl (yahoo) Vincent Archer
    • • [BIZ] Advertising sprawl (yahoo) Dave Rickey
      • • [BIZ] Advertising sprawl (yahoo) Matt Mihaly
        • [BIZ] Advertising sprawl (yahoo) Vincent Archer
        • [BIZ] Advertising sprawl (yahoo) shren
        • • [BIZ] Advertising sprawl (yahoo) John Buehler
        • [BIZ] Advertising sprawl (yahoo) Ian Macintosh
      • [BIZ] Advertising sprawl (yahoo) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • [BIZ] Advertising sprawl (yahoo) Matt Mihaly
    • • [BIZ] Advertising sprawl (yahoo) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      • • [BIZ] Advertising sprawl (yahoo) Matt Mihaly
        • • [BIZ] Advertising sprawl (yahoo) J C Lawrence
          • • [BIZ] Advertising sprawl (yahoo) Travis Casey
      • [BIZ] Advertising sprawl (yahoo) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • [BIZ] Advertising sprawl (yahoo) Matt Mihaly
        • [BIZ] Advertising sprawl (yahoo) Vincent Archer
  • [BIZ] Advertising sprawl (yahoo) Matt Mihaly
• RG Interview Cassandra
• NEWS DGN Wired News article about EQ Zak Jarvis
• [DESIGN] Economy goals (was: Broken currencies) Vincent Archer
• • [DESIGN] Economy goals (was: Broken currencies) shren
  • [DESIGN] Economy goals (was: Broken currencies) Freeman, Jeff
  • • [DESIGN] Economy goals (was: Broken currencies) Derek Licciardi
    • • [DESIGN] Economy goals (was: Broken currencies) Vincent Archer
      • • [DESIGN] Economy goals (was: Broken currencies) Freeman, Jeff
        • [DESIGN] Economy goals (was: Broken currencies) Adam Martin
• Curtailing the 'Super-Rich Effect' Bob McFakename
• • Curtailing the 'Super-Rich Effect' Lynx
  • • Curtailing the 'Super-Rich Effect' Matt Mihaly
    • • Curtailing the 'Super-Rich Effect' Bob McFakename
      • • Curtailing the 'Super-Rich Effect' Matt Mihaly
        • • Curtailing the 'Super-Rich Effect' Phillip Lenhardt
          • • Curtailing the 'Super-Rich Effect' Matt Mihaly
          • Curtailing the 'Super-Rich Effect' Travis Casey
  • Curtailing the 'Super-Rich Effect' Mordengaard
  • Curtailing the 'Super-Rich Effect' Michael Tresca
  • • Curtailing the 'Super-Rich Effect' shren
  • Curtailing the 'Super-Rich Effect' Trump
  • • Curtailing the 'Super-Rich Effect' Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • • Curtailing the 'Super-Rich Effect' Dave Rickey
    • Curtailing the 'Super-Rich Effect' Michael Tresca
• Movie grosses Matt Mihaly
• • Movie grosses Brian 'Psychochild' Green
  • • Movie grosses Koster, Raph
    • Movie grosses Matt Mihaly
  • Movie grosses Myschyf
  • • Movie grosses Matt Mihaly
• StarPeace (was Money supply in game economies) Michael Dekker
• • StarPeace (was Money supply in game economies) Ling Lo
  • • StarPeace (was Money supply in game economies) shren
• TECH: Distributed Muds Bobby Martin
• • TECH: Distributed Muds Adam Martin
  • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
  • • TECH: Distributed Muds Vincent Archer
    • • TECH: Distributed Muds Chris Gray
      • • TECH: Distributed Muds Brian Hook
        • • TECH: Distributed Muds Nick Walker
          • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
          • TECH: Distributed Muds Derek Snider
          • • TECH: Distributed Muds Brian Hook
            • • TECH: Distributed Muds shren
            • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
            • • TECH: Distributed Muds Brian Hook
              • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
              • TECH: Distributed Muds Derek Snider
              • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
                • • TECH: Distributed Muds Derek Snider
                  • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
                    • • TECH: Distributed Muds shren
                      • TECH: Distributed Muds Eli Stevens
                      • • TECH: Distributed Muds John Buehler
                        • • TECH: Distributed Muds Kevin Littlejohn
                          • • TECH: Distributed Muds John Buehler
                • TECH: Distributed Muds Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • • TECH: Distributed Muds Chris Gray
                  • TECH: Distributed Muds Derek Snider
                  • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
                    • • TECH: Distributed Muds Derek Snider
                      • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
                        • TECH: Distributed Muds Matthew D. Fuller
                        • • TECH: Distributed Muds Derek Snider
                          • TECH: Distributed Muds Vincent Archer
              • TECH: Distributed Muds Ola Fosheim Grøstad
            • TECH: Distributed Muds Christopher Kohnert
            • • TECH: Distributed Muds Derek Snider
              • • TECH: Distributed Muds Chris Gray
                • • TECH: Distributed Muds Derek Snider
                  • • TECH: Distributed Muds Caliban Tiresias Darklock
                    • • TECH: Distributed Muds Derek Snider
                      • TECH: Distributed Muds Jon Lambert
                      • • TECH: Distributed Muds Derek Snider
                        • • TECH: Distributed Muds Caliban Tiresias Darklock
                          • • TECH: Distributed Muds Jon Lambert
                            • • TECH: Distributed Muds Matthew D. Fuller
                              • • TECH: Distributed Muds Owen
                                • TECH: Distributed Muds Jon Lambert
                              • TECH: Distributed Muds Caliban Tiresias Darklock
                              • • TECH: Distributed Muds shren
                          • TECH: Distributed Muds Jon Lambert
                        • TECH: Distributed Muds Caliban Tiresias Darklock
                        • • TECH: Distributed Muds Jon Leonard
                          • • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
                          • TECH: Distributed Muds Kevin Littlejohn
                          • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
                    • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
                    • • TECH: Distributed Muds Chris Gray
                      • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
                        • • TECH: Distributed Muds Chris Gray
                          • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
                            • TECH: Distributed Muds Kwon Ekstrom
                            • • TECH: Distributed Muds Chris Gray
                              • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
                              • • TECH: Distributed Muds Chris Gray
                                • • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
                                • TECH: Distributed Muds Kwon Ekstrom
                                • • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
                                • TECH: Distributed Muds Neil Brown
              • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
              • • TECH: Distributed Muds Caliban Tiresias Darklock
                • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
                  • • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
                    • TECH: Distributed Muds Caliban Tiresias Darklock
                  • TECH: Distributed Muds Derek Snider
                  • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
                    • • TECH: Distributed Muds shren
                      • • TECH: Distributed Muds John Buehler
                • TECH: Distributed Muds Steven Fleischaker
                • • TECH: Distributed Muds Jon Lambert
                  • • TECH: Distributed Muds Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                    • • TECH: Distributed Muds Chris Gray
                      • • TECH: Distributed Muds Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                  • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
                  • TECH: Distributed Muds Caliban Tiresias Darklock
                • TECH: Distributed Muds Christopher Kohnert
                • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
                • TECH: Distributed Muds Chris Gray
                • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
                  • • TECH: Distributed Muds Chris Gray
                • TECH: Distributed Muds Kwon Ekstrom
      • TECH: Distributed Muds Bruce
      • • TECH: Distributed Muds Vincent Archer
        • • TECH: Distributed Muds Brad Roberts
          • • TECH: Distributed Muds Vincent Archer
• [DESIGN] Economic & Currency Solutions Phillip Lenhardt
• Curtailing the 'Super-Rich' Effect Bob McFakename
• • Curtailing the 'Super-Rich' Effect Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  • • Curtailing the 'Super-Rich' Effect Jim S
• TECH: Flash Crowds and overflow control Gavin Doughtie
• • TECH: Flash Crowds and overflow control Marc Bowden
  • • TECH: Flash Crowds and overflow control Vincent Archer
    • • TECH: Flash Crowds and overflow control Koster, Raph
      • • TECH: Flash Crowds and overflow control J C Lawrence
        • • TECH: Flash Crowds and overflow control Marc Bowden
  • TECH: Flash Crowds and overflow control Justin Rogers
• BUSINESS: I need Online Gaming Revenue Projections. F. Randall Farmer
• [DESIGN] Economic & Currency Solutions Vincent Archer
• • [DESIGN] Economic & Currency Solutions Timothy Dang
  • [DESIGN] Economic & Currency Solutions Taylor Daynes
  • • [DESIGN] Economic & Currency Solutions Vincent Archer
• ADMIN: Moving... J C Lawrence
• UO and eBay figures Koster, Raph
• MUD for sale Chris Gray
• • MUD for sale Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • MUD for sale Dave Rickey
  • • MUD for sale Bruce
    • • MUD for sale Chris Gray
      • MUD for sale Kevin Littlejohn
• ADMIN: The move and current status J C Lawrence
• Virtual Suicide (Was: Money supply in game economies) Martin Burke
• TECH: Java ARMI Bobby Martin
• TECH: AmigaMud DB questions Bruce
• • TECH: AmigaMud DB questions Chris Gray
  • • TECH: AmigaMud DB questions Bruce
    • • TECH: AmigaMud DB questions Chris Gray
      • TECH: AmigaMud DB questions Jon Lambert
• Kuro5hin: What can games teach us about human-computer interaction? J C Lawrence
• Review of Galactic Emperor: Succession in LumTheMad's Forums Christopher Allen
• • Review of Galactic Emperor: Succession in LumTheMad's Forums Ling Lo
  • • Review of Galactic Emperor: Succession in LumTheMad's Forums J C Lawrence
• [BIZ] New EQ Expansion Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
• Twisted Python J C Lawrence
• [TECH] Distributed MUD Kwon Ekstrom
• • [TECH] Distributed MUD Jeremy Noetzelman
  • • [TECH] Distributed MUD Kwon Ekstrom
  • [TECH] Distributed MUD J C Lawrence
• EQ: what makes a zone interesting? Frank Crowell
• • EQ: what makes a zone interesting? J C Lawrence
  • EQ: what makes a zone interesting? shren
  • • EQ: what makes a zone interesting? J C Lawrence
    • EQ: what makes a zone interesting? Elia Morling
• Imaginary Realities - April 2001 David Bennett
• [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent bruce@puremagic.com
• • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent Jessica Mulligan
  • • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent Bruce
    • • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent Frank Crowell
    • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent Kwon Ekstrom
    • • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent John Robert Arras
    • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent Jon Lambert
    • • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent John Buehler
  • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent Frank Crowell
  • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent Travis Nixon
  • • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent Marian Griffith
  • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent John Buehler
  • • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent Dave Rickey
  • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent Derek Licciardi
• called shots Josh Rollyson
• • called shots Matt Mihaly
  • called shots Mordengaard
  • called shots Ling Lo
  • called shots shren
  • • called shots John Buehler
    • called shots Kwon Ekstrom
    • • called shots Travis Casey
  • called shots Travis Casey
• TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
• • TECH: Distributed Muds Brad Roberts
  • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
• TECH: Distributed Muds Dominic J. Eidson
• TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Bruce
• • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Derek Snider
  • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Bruce
    • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Derek Snider
      • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Alex
        • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) shren
          • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
          • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Derek Snider
  • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) John Buehler
      Ola Fosheim Grostad writes:
      > Bruce wrote:
      
      >> There's also the whole argument in favor of components and those
      >> types of systems which were heavily promoted by John Buehler some
      >> months ago, and with good reason.
      
      > I view "components" as something invented for business applications
      > which tend to deal with rather stable domains or no hard realtime
      > requirements or serious interdependency performance issues AND which
      > have to deal with a bunch of existing legacy systems and lots of
      > bloat and incompetent programmers...
      
      The stability of a domain is absolutely an important part of creating
      quality software. This is true whether you're using components or
      not. Stability implies time, and time permits understanding. Lack of
      comprehension is the number one reason that we have bugs (my own
      assertion). Precise contracts are a claim that both sides of a
      contractual interaction can know very specific things about what's
      going to happen during that interaction.
      
      > But for state-of-the-art MUDs... Why put up a concrete wall between
      > your modules? This is not good for a system that is supposed to
      > evolve. By advocating components one just says that one has given
      > up finding a good flexible design AND that you know exactly where
      > flexibility will be needed. In a virtual world however,
      > dependencies tend to be related to groupings like geographical areas
      > and you seldom can say that there will never exist dependencies
      > between different types (classes) in the future! On the contrary, to
      > have depth (which most MUDs don't have) you want LOTS of relations
      > between those types if you can handle it.
      
      If you want a fluid environment, it means that you will not have
      stability. By definition. You can go through a stabilization period,
      but the cost of finding a problem during that period can be
      extraordinary - to the point of ending an entire project.
      
      What you're talking about is essentially the current development
      methodology: use smart people to juggle the details in their heads and
      hope to stay on top of all the issues. Rely on the contracts that
      experienced engineers carry around in their heads because they've
      already built the silly things 10 times. That's where we get database
      specialists, networking specialists, etc. These problems get resolved
      in code over and over and over again. The expertise of these
      individuals is not being captured unless we get around to a standard.
      A standard is a precise contract, and it's fairly obvious what the
      value of those contracts have been over time. Only when we nail down
      interactions do we get to advance to the next layer or level of
      problem solving. If standards had never evolved, we'd still be
      writing assembly code and building applications no more complex than a
      clock.
      
      > IMHO layers, modularity, invariants, separation of responsibilities,
      > refactoring and all that is good, but components-as-advocated
      > (specification based, stable, 3rd party replaceable, no need to
      > recompile etc) are not!
      
      And this echoes the sentiments of the vast majority of the software
      development community. Taking the time to come up with precise
      contracts takes too long, so we crank out code at a furious rate. And
      that code is buggy. But not buggy enough to annoy consumers. When
      the day comes that somebody takes the time to produce very high
      quality code with equivalent functionality of existing products, that
      somebody will eat everyone else's lunch. Personally, my money is on
      the Indians.
      
      > Obviously if you are going to implement a MUD design of the 1990's
      > then you can get away with the performance penalty and the
      > inflexibility which comes with components... However, you can
      > achieve the same thing without the performance issues by being
      > disciplined about which classes you depend on (like which header
      > files you include, which is easy to verify).
      
      For starters, components do not produce a performance penalty. Using
      a component that isn't suited to what you're doing produces a
      performance penalty. There is nothing inherent in components that
      produces a performance penalty. Further, the inflexibility that
      you're referring to is the same inflexibility that comes from having
      to use standardized parts in any construction process. Note that
      you're using standard network protocols, standard schedulers, standard
      file systems, etc. The reason that you can build the software that
      you do today is because of a very coarse-grained componentization that
      has been happening over the past 40 years or so. We very inflexibly
      use Unix or Windows, but that frees us up to solve other problems.
      Neither Unix nor Windows is probably the optimal solution to the
      problems that they solve with regard to games, but they're good
      enough.
      
      > (This is not to say that you cannot implement certain modules as
      > components with no penalty, but the core that constitutes the MUD
      > cannot be built with components without penalty...)
      
      To be sure, we found that immediately nailing down contracts without
      taking some time to use them was a suicidal pursuit. When coming up
      with something new, new contracts need to be explored to see how they
      should be used. This does not mean that the methodology of capturing
      contract specifications is impractical. It simply means that the
      contracts will be in a state of flux. Working with contracts was a
      bit like finding a Rosetta stone for software development. Lots of
      things that I had done for years became very clear to me, such as
      changing a the signature of a function. That's a change of contract,
      and our compilers help us to sort that out. But changing the behavior
      of a piece of software without informing the software that uses it is
      not something that current tools support - yet such things can be
      lethal on a non-trivial project.
      
      Anyway, that's my three dollars' worth.
      
      JB
    • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) John Buehler
    • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Kwon Ekstrom
    • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Derek Licciardi
    • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) John Buehler
        • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
          • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) John Buehler
        • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Kwon Ekstrom
• TECH: prefetching/madvise (was: Distributed Muds) Bruce
• • TECH: prefetching/madvise (was: Distributed Muds) Matthew D. Fuller
• TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
• • TECH: Distributed Muds Scion Altera
• Re:called shots Eric Lamy
• Where are we now? Greg Munt
• • Where are we now? Ronan Farrell
  • • Where are we now? Matt Mihaly
    • Where are we now? Greg Munt
    • • Where are we now? Ronan Farrell
      • • Where are we now? Adam Martin
        • • Where are we now? Bryce Harrington
        • Where are we now? Deidril
        • • Where are we now? Bryce Harrington
        • Where are we now? Elia Morling
      • Where are we now? Matt Mihaly
      • • Where are we now? McManus, Susan
  • Where are we now? Matt Mihaly
  • Where are we now? Kwon Ekstrom
  • • Where are we now? Brian Hook
    • • Where are we now? Kwon Ekstrom
      • • Where are we now? Michael Tresca
        • • Where are we now? S. Patrick Gallaty
          • • Where are we now? Greg Munt
            • • Where are we now? S. Patrick Gallaty
      • Where are we now? Matt Mihaly
  • Where are we now? Koster, Raph
  • • Where are we now? Greg Munt
    • • Where are we now? Matt Mihaly
      • • Where are we now? Greg Munt
        • • Where are we now? Matt Mihaly
  • Where are we now? Bruce
  • • Where are we now? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • Where are we now? Koster, Raph
      • • Where are we now? Richard A. Bartle
        • Where are we now? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • Where are we now? Bruce
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    • • Where are we now? Koster, Raph
      • • Where are we now? rayzam
  • Where are we now? Madman Across the Water
  • • Where are we now? Bryce Harrington
    • • Where are we now? Madman Across the Water
      • • Where are we now? Freeman, Jeff
• TECH: DBM vs BDB speeds (was: AmigaMud DB questions) Bruce
• • TECH: DBM vs BDB speeds (was: AmigaMud DB questions) Jon Lambert
  • • TECH: DBM vs BDB speeds (was: AmigaMud DB questions) Bruce
• fault tolerance and character files Steven Fleischaker
• • fault tolerance and character files Kwon Ekstrom
  • • fault tolerance and character files Bruce
    • • fault tolerance and character files Kwon Ekstrom
    • fault tolerance and character files Vincent Archer