April 2001

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• Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
• • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Zak Jarvis
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                    • • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space Travis Casey
                      • • Balancing Melee vs Ranged Combat in Games Which Model Space John Buehler
                          Travis Casey writes:
                          
                          > Monday, April 09, 2001, 4:25:16 AM, John Buehler <johnbue@msn.com> wrote:
                          
                          > Alternatively, if your goal is to provide maximum entertainment, you
                          > could implement what's the common practice among many paper gaming
                          > groups: players having a stable of characters. If I want to feel
                          > like a powerful wielder of magic, I can pull out my mage character
                          > and play it. If I feel like thinking my way around obstacles, I can
                          > play my thief character. If I've had a bad day and want to smash
                          > things and go "ug" a lot, I can play my troll barbarian.
                          
                          > If you abandon the idea of the game being a quest for players to
                          > build a more powerful character, with things like character death
                          > being setbacks on that path, and you're not worried about whether or
                          > not people are really "roleplaying", then why not allow players to
                          > create multiple characters and use them as they see fit?
                          
                          The attitude of a player and the environment in which he or she plays
                          when playing a paper game is dramatically different from that of a
                          computer game. It's possible to have that attitude and environment
                          duplicated, but it's very dependent on the colocation of the players,
                          and not on anything that the game itself does. Paper games are
                          inherently social because of the colocation aspect.
                          
                          All I see happening as a result of having many characters at my beck
                          and call is that I feel more self-sufficient. I'm a firm believer in
                          dragging players, kicking and screaming if need be, into interactions
                          with other players. I don't want players running around in my game
                          with a total heads-down attitude. Just as Achaea's players rely on
                          PvP interactions to derive their entertainment, I would want to have
                          my players rely on cooperative interactions (preferably against the
                          environment or against the gamemasters) to derive their entertainment
                          from the game.
                          
                          > Thus, Ars Magica not only allows players to play different
                          > characters at different times, but has situations where a player can
                          > play multiple characters at once.
                          
                          Thanks for the lengthy explanation, but I really do believe that the
                          fact that the players are in the same room, joking, talking and eating
                          pizza together, makes the most fundamental rules of gameplay
                          different. It almost doesn't matter what the players do while they're
                          together. The game is simply a complex interaction that they get to
                          share in. They could just as easily be telling stories.
                          
                          > In a situation like I'm describing, choices are irrevocable for a
                          > particular character, but a player can choose to create a new
                          > character. A player doing so isn't required to start over, but can
                          > instead start the new character at a level of power comparable to
                          > that of their old character. (Of course, they can also have the
                          > option of starting at a lower power level, which can be good if
                          > you're making a drastic change in character type, into a type that
                          > you have no experience playing yet.)
                          
                          And what do we do with all of the character items, knowledge, faction
                          and other skills unrelated to the old character? Paper games are kept
                          simple because they are usually managed by people. That means that
                          they stick to the basics. Not so a software game, where there can be
                          lots of ancillary information.
                          
                          I find it far simpler to have a flexible character, especially because
                          of the fact that computer games don't require colocation of the
                          players. When you fire up your new character, I don't know that it's
                          you. The assumption there is that I knew your old character. Back
                          when I was playing D&D, we really didn't care a whole lot about the
                          characters we were running. Most of the entertainment was at the
                          player-to-player level. The characters were just a pretext to get
                          together and have fun adventuring with them.
                          
                          > I'll note as well that in most modern paper RPGs, things are done on
                          > a skill or semi-skill basis. Even in D&D, which still has classes,
                          > a Ranger could choose to start picking up levels in the Druid class,
                          > and would still know all the skills, languages, etc. that he/she
                          > already knows.
                          
                          Well, I haven't played D&D since about 1979, so I'm afraid I'm a
                          little out of date :)
                          
                          >> But where do we draw the line on what sort of a game the players
                          >> get to play? Should it only be the 'disruption' yardstick? I
                          >> despise linear games, but I certainly want self-consistency and
                          >> depth to the game experience. That sense of self-consistency
                          >> covers the case of the highly specialized druid not being effective
                          >> in his skills while underground.
                          
                          > Allowing multiple characters lets you have it both ways, IMHO. Each
                          > individual character remains consistent, but the *player* can choose
                          > to experience a different aspect of the game at any time. > Now,
                          > please note that I'm not saying that this idea is an immediate
                          > cure-all -- allowing players to have multiple characters is going to
                          > carry its own set of problems, especially if you allow them to play
                          > multiple characters at once. I'm simply saying that it's something
                          > to think about. Just because present muds almost all try to enforce
                          > one character per player doesn't mean that it's necessary to any
                          > type of mud that one might create.
                          
                          I wish you'd said this at the beginning :) I think that the multiple
                          character approach would work, given the right game experience to back
                          it up. It would be a delicate balance to avoid the negative
                          psychological implications that go along with multiple characters
                          (e.g. a sense of self-sufficiency) while at the same time providing
                          good entertainment.
                          
                          Perhaps if the game were campaign based, for a smaller number of
                          characters. Is it Shadowbane that's running things this way? If
                          there was a logical ending point for use of a character, and that
                          everyone understood that characters could be rebuilt based on some
                          total value mechanism at the end of a campaign, this sort of thing
                          might work quite well. In a continuous play game, I have difficulty
                          seeing it work. That may only be my shortsightedness.
                          
                          JB
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  • • EQ: what makes a zone interesting? J C Lawrence
    • EQ: what makes a zone interesting? Elia Morling
• Imaginary Realities - April 2001 David Bennett
• [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent bruce@puremagic.com
• • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent Jessica Mulligan
  • • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent Bruce
    • • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent Frank Crowell
    • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent Kwon Ekstrom
    • • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent John Robert Arras
    • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent Jon Lambert
    • • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent John Buehler
  • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent Frank Crowell
  • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent Travis Nixon
  • • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent Marian Griffith
  • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent John Buehler
  • • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent Dave Rickey
  • [BIZ][TECH] worlds.com gets patent Derek Licciardi
• called shots Josh Rollyson
• • called shots Matt Mihaly
  • called shots Mordengaard
  • called shots Ling Lo
  • called shots shren
  • • called shots John Buehler
    • called shots Kwon Ekstrom
    • • called shots Travis Casey
  • called shots Travis Casey
• TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
• • TECH: Distributed Muds Brad Roberts
  • • TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
• TECH: Distributed Muds Dominic J. Eidson
• TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Bruce
• • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Derek Snider
  • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Bruce
    • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Derek Snider
      • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Alex
        • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) shren
          • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
          • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Derek Snider
  • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) John Buehler
    • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) John Buehler
    • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Kwon Ekstrom
    • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Derek Licciardi
    • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) John Buehler
        • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
          • • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) John Buehler
        • TECH: reliablity (was: Distributed Muds) Kwon Ekstrom
• TECH: prefetching/madvise (was: Distributed Muds) Bruce
• • TECH: prefetching/madvise (was: Distributed Muds) Matthew D. Fuller
• TECH: Distributed Muds J C Lawrence
• • TECH: Distributed Muds Scion Altera
• Re:called shots Eric Lamy
• Where are we now? Greg Munt
• • Where are we now? Ronan Farrell
  • • Where are we now? Matt Mihaly
    • Where are we now? Greg Munt
    • • Where are we now? Ronan Farrell
      • • Where are we now? Adam Martin
        • • Where are we now? Bryce Harrington
        • Where are we now? Deidril
        • • Where are we now? Bryce Harrington
        • Where are we now? Elia Morling
      • Where are we now? Matt Mihaly
      • • Where are we now? McManus, Susan
  • Where are we now? Matt Mihaly
  • Where are we now? Kwon Ekstrom
  • • Where are we now? Brian Hook
    • • Where are we now? Kwon Ekstrom
      • • Where are we now? Michael Tresca
        • • Where are we now? S. Patrick Gallaty
          • • Where are we now? Greg Munt
            • • Where are we now? S. Patrick Gallaty
      • Where are we now? Matt Mihaly
  • Where are we now? Koster, Raph
  • • Where are we now? Greg Munt
    • • Where are we now? Matt Mihaly
      • • Where are we now? Greg Munt
        • • Where are we now? Matt Mihaly
  • Where are we now? Bruce
  • • Where are we now? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • Where are we now? Koster, Raph
      • • Where are we now? Richard A. Bartle
        • Where are we now? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • Where are we now? Bruce
  • • Where are we now? Greg Munt
    • • Where are we now? Koster, Raph
      • • Where are we now? rayzam
  • Where are we now? Madman Across the Water
  • • Where are we now? Bryce Harrington
    • • Where are we now? Madman Across the Water
      • • Where are we now? Freeman, Jeff
• TECH: DBM vs BDB speeds (was: AmigaMud DB questions) Bruce
• • TECH: DBM vs BDB speeds (was: AmigaMud DB questions) Jon Lambert
  • • TECH: DBM vs BDB speeds (was: AmigaMud DB questions) Bruce
• fault tolerance and character files Steven Fleischaker
• • fault tolerance and character files Kwon Ekstrom
  • • fault tolerance and character files Bruce
    • • fault tolerance and character files Kwon Ekstrom
    • fault tolerance and character files Vincent Archer