December 2001

• Stories, why? -- Because :) Marian Griffith
• [SECURITY] Bonefarming Adam Martin
• If JRRT did MUDs... Adam Martin
• • If JRRT did MUDs... Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
  • • If JRRT did MUDs... Marcus Johansson
• Story Implementation Lee Sheldon
• • Story Implementation rayzam
  • • Story Implementation Lee Sheldon
  • Story Implementation Jeff Freeman
  • • Story Implementation Lee Sheldon
    • • Story Implementation Jeff Freeman
    • Story Implementation Marian Griffith
    • • Story Implementation Jeff Freeman
      • Story Implementation Jeff Cole
  • Story Implementation Valerio Santinelli
• From the linux-kernel list Jeff Cole
• Survey: Internet Cuts Into TV Time Michael Tresca
• Interesting DAoC Poll Lee Sheldon
• • Interesting DAoC Poll Vincent Archer
  • • Interesting DAoC Poll Robert Fleck
    • Interesting DAoC Poll Azeraab
    • • Interesting DAoC Poll Matt Mihaly
      • Interesting DAoC Poll Dave Shepherd
      • • Interesting DAoC Poll Azeraab
        • • Interesting DAoC Poll Dave Shepherd
          • • Interesting DAoC Poll Matt Mihaly
• Project announcement: Cool++ ryan daum
• DAoC: Empowering Players to Alter the World (was: New laws) Lee Sheldon
• DGN: Chemistry based magic systems Bryan "Cyngon" Helmkamp
• • DGN: Chemistry based magic systems Nathan F. Yospe
  • • DGN: Chemistry based magic systems rayzam
    • • DGN: Chemistry based magic systems Bryan "Cyngon" Helmkamp
    • DGN: Chemistry based magic systems Bryan "Cyngon" Helmkamp
    • • DGN: Chemistry based magic systems Sellers, Mike
• RuneSword Brian Hook
• Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
• • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Elia Morling
  • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Timothy Dang
  • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Koster, Raph
  • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) John Buehler
    • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Koster, Raph
      • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) John Buehler
        • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Travis Nixon
        • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Marian Griffith
        • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Steve {Bloo} Daniels
    • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Koster, Raph
      • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Steve {Bloo} Daniels
    • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Sellers, Mike
    • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Matt Mihaly
    • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Travis Nixon
      • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Matt Mihaly
      • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Koster, Raph
      • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Travis Nixon
        • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Bobby Martin
          • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Paul Schwanz
            • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Peter Harkins
                On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 01:06:38PM -0500, Paul Schwanz wrote:
                > From: "Bobby Martin" <bobbymartin@hotmail.com>
                >>> From: Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                
                > I wouldn't dream of contradicting our lead server developer :),
                > but I'd like to point out the fact that our design will allow the
                > potential for something very much like multiple currencies, even
                > though the game doesn't support them directly.
                
                > We plan to allow individuals or communities/guilds the ability to
                > *sign* a document, rendering its contents immutable. We've only
                > had initial discussions on this mechanic and haven't hashed out
                > implementation (although the possibility of having the
                > signature/insignia linked to a "reputation" was discussed), but I
                > think the implications can be far-reaching. Given the right
                > economic environment (and yes, we realize that this part of the
                > equation is non-trivial), there is nothing to prevent the
                > following use of this ability.
                
                > The "Wood Trading Corporation of Cosm" (a player-owned "guild")
                > builds a large storage facility in Trebizond and another in
                > Timbuktu. It stocks each facility with a good amount of wood.
                > It then announces that it will issue wood certificates. These
                > are simply pieces of velum or parchment on which the corporation
                > has inscribed, for example, "1,000 wood units payable to the
                > bearer of this certificate," and then signed with the guild
                > name/insignia. The WTCC commits itself to pay out 1,000 wood
                > units to anyone who presents this sort of certificate at one of
                > their "branches."
                
                If you want people to create currencies backed by resources, those
                resources are going to have to be scarce. If the orc tribe each get
                a sword when they repop, swords will soon be valueless. You won't be
                able to trade any amount of swords for sawbucks (couldn't resist
                pun.) If you want the orcs to have swords and not break the player
                economy, they're going to have to have miners and blacksmiths or
                others to trade with who'll fill these roles. Players will get to
                have realistic loot the first time or two, but they'll soon be
                slaughtering a bunch of naked and unarmed orcs and complaining that
                there's no loot.
                
                It's also going to be hard for you to sustain any kind of currency -
                if a currency backed by lumber becomes popular, players will happily
                buy an axe and deforest your entire game world. You'll have to slow
                them down by throwing monsters in the woods and having axes fall
                apart quickly. Not that this will stop them, it'll just make the
                currency less useful - everyone will break the bank by trading in
                certificates for hard-to-obtain wood, except for a few coalitions of
                players who team up and deforest huge swaths of the world at a time,
                making it harder for local players to obtain wood, etc.
                
                While I think the immutable contracts are a great idea, I don't
                think they're going to lead to player-issued currencies as you've
                envisioned. It'll require a large game world with realistic resource
                usage, and that's pretty expensive in terms of resource usage
                (cycles and memory.) The alternative is to fudge, and I can
                certainly see a few places you can do it. If you do, though, I'd
                expect you'll end up with not-infrequent breaks in the economy and
                lots of 'pay no attention to the man behind the curtain' antics
                trying to fix it.
              • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Paul Schwanz
            • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
            • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Bobby Martin
              • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Timothy Dang
    • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Travis Nixon
    • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Koster, Raph
• RE : Story Implementation Veynom
• • RE : Story Implementation Matt Mihaly
  • • RE : Story Implementation Matt Mihaly
• Economy (was [STORY] Story and population size) Jeff Cole
• • Economy (was [STORY] Story and population size) Dave Rickey
  • • Economy (was [STORY] Story and population size) Jeff Cole
    • • Economy (was [STORY] Story and populationsize) Dave Rickey
• RE : Story Implementation Veynom
• • RE : Story Implementation Matt Mihaly
• economy and population size Adam Martin
• • economy and population size J C Lawrence
• Art vs. Fun Michael Tresca
• • Art vs. Fun Koster, Raph
  • • Art vs. Fun Matt Mihaly
  • Art vs. Fun Matt Mihaly
  • Art vs. Fun Robert Zubek
• First use of "avatar"? Koster, Raph
• • First use of "avatar"? Lars Duening
  • • First use of "avatar"? Matt Mihaly
  • First use of "avatar"? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • • First use of "avatar"? Koster, Raph
  • First use of "avatar"? Steve {Bloo} Daniels
  • First use of "avatar"? Travis Casey
  • • First use of "avatar"? Koster, Raph
    • First use of "avatar"? Christopher Kohnert
    • • First use of "avatar"? Travis Casey
      • • First use of "avatar"? Koster, Raph
        • • First use of "avatar"? Travis Nixon
          • • First use of "avatar"? Madman Across the Water
    • First use of "avatar"? Takis Kalogiratos
  • First use of "avatar"? Tamzen Cannoy
  • First use of "avatar"? Dr. Cat
  • • First use of "avatar"? F. Randall Farmer
  • First use of "avatar"? Mats Lidstrom
  • • First use of "avatar"? Koster, Raph
    • • First use of "avatar"? Nathan F. Yospe
      • First use of "avatar"? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • First use of "avatar"? Richard A. Bartle
• Managing MUD economy Vladimir Prelovac
• • Managing MUD economy opteek
  • Managing MUD economy Koster, Raph
  • • Managing MUD economy Derek Licciardi
  • Managing MUD economy Bryan "Cyngon" Helmkamp
  • • Managing MUD economy Sasha Hart
  • Managing MUD economy Vladimir Prelovac
  • • Managing MUD economy Freeman, Jeff
    • • Managing MUD economy John Buehler
      • • Managing MUD economy Marian Griffith
      • Managing MUD economy Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • Managing MUD economy Adam Martin
    • Managing MUD economy Sasha Hart
    • Managing MUD economy Marc Hernandez
    • • Managing MUD economy Travis Casey
      • • Managing MUD economy Vladimir Prelovac
        • • Managing MUD economy Travis Casey
          • • Managing MUD economy William Murdick
    • Managing MUD economy Timothy Dang
• MUD implementation issues. Marcus Johansson
• • MUD implementation issues. J C Lawrence
  • • MUD implementation issues. Nicholas E. Walker
  • MUD implementation issues. Phillip Lenhardt
  • MUD implementation issues. Bruce Mitchener
  • • MUD implementation issues. Jonathan Berling
    • • MUD implementation issues. Bruce Mitchener
    • MUD implementation issues. Marcus Johansson
    • • MUD implementation issues. Bruce Mitchener
• Economy Vincent Archer
• • Economy Travis Casey
  • • Economy Koster, Raph
    • • Economy Travis Casey
      • • Economy Koster, Raph
    • Economy Amanda Walker
    • • Economy Matt Mihaly
• Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll Azeraab
• • Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll Dave Shepherd
  • • Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll Azeraab
    • • Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll John Buehler
      • • Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll Vincent Archer
• MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
• • MMORPGs & MUDs Derek Licciardi
  • • MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
    • • MMORPGs & MUDs Brian Hook
    • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
    • • MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
      • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
      • MMORPGs & MUDs Derek Licciardi
      • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
    • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
    • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
      • • MMORPGs & MUDs Lee Sheldon
        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Mike Caruso
            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Adam Martin
  • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
  • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
    • • MMORPGs & MUDs Jeff Freeman
      • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Jeff Freeman
              • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                • • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
                  • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                  • MMORPGs & MUDs Jeff Freeman
                  • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                    • • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
                      • • MMORPGs & MUDs Madrona Tree
                        • • MMORPGs & MUDs John Buehler
                        • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
                          • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
                          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
                              • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
                        • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
                          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
                            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
                              • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
                          • MMORPGs & MUDs David H. Loeser Jr.
                          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                      • MMORPGs & MUDs Freeman, Jeff
                      • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
                          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Vincent Archer
                              • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
                              • • MMORPGs & MUDs Vincent Archer
                              • MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
                              • • MMORPGs & MUDs rayzam
                                • • MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
                      • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
                      • • MMORPGs & MUDs William B. Taylor
                        • MMORPGs & MUDs Skaei@aol.com
                        • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
                          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Madrona Tree
                            • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Christopher Allen
                              • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
                              • MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
                        • MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
                        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Vincent Archer
                          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
              • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
              • • MMORPGs & MUDs Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
                • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                • • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
              • MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
          • MMORPGs & MUDs Marc Bowden
          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Marc Bowden
              • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
            • MMORPGs & MUDs David Bennett
            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Marc Bowden
          • MMORPGs & MUDs Freeman, Jeff
          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Jeff Freeman
              • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
              • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
              • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
                • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
      • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
  • MMORPGs & MUDs Wes Connell
  • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
  • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
  • • MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
    • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
  • MMORPGs & MUDs Joel Palmtag
  • MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
  • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
    • • MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
      • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michelle Elbert
        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Sami Kosonen
  • MMORPGs & MUDs Azeraab
  • MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
  • MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
• Re[4]: Economy Travis Casey
• Eiffel Brian Hook
• • Eiffel Bruce Mitchener
  • • Eiffel Jonathan Berling
    • • Eiffel Brian Hook
  • Eiffel Richard A. Bartle
  • Eiffel James C. Nugen
  • • Eiffel Nathan F. Yospe
    • Eiffel Ben Tolputt
• ADMIN: Origin of "Avatar" thread J C Lawrence
• Call for Papers - NetGames2002 Tristan Henderson
• Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
• • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Brian Hook
  • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
    • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Koster, Raph
      • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
        • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Koster, Raph
          • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions rayzam
            • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
            • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Travis Casey
      • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
        • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Caliban Tiresias Darklock
          • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
          • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
          • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
      • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Andrew Hefford
      • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
        • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Koster, Raph
          • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Jon Lambert
          • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
  • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Koster, Raph
  • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Dave Rickey
  • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Dave Rickey
    • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
    • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Dave Rickey
      • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
        • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions rayzam
          • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Caliban Tiresias Darklock
          • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions kyndig@kyndig.com
            • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Jon Lambert
      • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Peter Harkins
  • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Travis Casey
  • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• LPC-Natural Language Parser z032383@students.niu.edu
• [TECH] Event Queues in MUDs Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
• • [TECH] Event Queues in MUDs Jon Lambert
  • [TECH] Event Queues in MUDs Christian Loth
• [TECH] algorithm request Malcolm Tester II
• • [TECH] algorithm request William Murdick
  • [TECH] algorithm request Lars Duening
  • [TECH] algorithm request David Bennett
  • [TECH] algorithm request Travis Casey
  • • [TECH] algorithm request Malcolm Tester II
  • [TECH] algorithm request Adam Martin
  • [TECH] algorithm request Eli Stevens
  • [TECH] algorithm request Bobby Martin
  • [TECH] algorithm request Bryan "Cyngon" Helmkamp
• non-'realistic' spatial models Nicholas E. Walker
• • non-'realistic' spatial models rayzam
  • non-'realistic' spatial models Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
  • • non-'realistic' spatial models Cybrarian Rök
  • non-'realistic' spatial models Nathan F. Yospe
• The Problem With "Massive" Michael Tresca
• The Ideal Player Michael Tresca
• • The Ideal Player Lars Duening
  • The Ideal Player Dave Rickey
  • • The Ideal Player Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• [Theory?] Parsing of knowledge to allow for more interactive NPCs holding99@mindspring.com
• • [Theory?] Parsing of knowledge to allow for more interactive NPCs Robert Zubek
  • • [Theory?] Parsing of knowledge to allow for more interactive NPCs holding99@mindspring.com
    • • [Theory?] Parsing of knowledge to allow for more interactive NPCs Robert Zubek
• CHI 2002: Funology: Designing Enjoyment Bruce Mitchener
• • CHI 2002: Funology: Designing Enjoyment Bruce Mitchener
  • CHI 2002: Funology: Designing Enjoyment Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• [OFF TOPIC] Happy Holidays Derek Licciardi
• Are crafts fun? Adam Dray
• • Are crafts fun? Michelle
  • • Are crafts fun? Bobby Martin
  • Are crafts fun? Bobby Martin
• Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Jon A. Lambert
• • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) amanda@alfar.com
  • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Marian Griffith
  • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
    • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Marian Griffith
      • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
        • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Marian Griffith
          • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
          • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
          • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• Gender differences -> spatial navigation rayzam
• • Gender differences -> spatial navigation amanda@alfar.com
  • • Gender differences -> spatial navigation Nathan F. Yospe
    • • Gender differences -> spatial navigation shren
• Sex and MUDs... the_sage2000@juno.com
• • Sex and MUDs... Jon Lambert
  • Sex and MUDs... David Bennett
  • Sex and MUDs... Travis Casey
  • • Sex and MUDs... Malcolm Tester II
  • Sex and MUDs... Matt Mihaly
  • Sex and MUDs... Adam Dray
• Some vworlds (maddog) related changes Frank Crowell
• • Some vworlds (maddog) related changes Frank Crowell
• (no subject) claw@kanga.nu
• Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) amanda@alfar.com
  • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
    • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Marian Griffith
  • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #16 3 - 25 msgs) Sellers, Mike
  • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
    • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) amanda@alfar.com
    • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) mystran@ltv.cx
• Combat system in persistent world Veynom
• • Combat system in persistent world J C Lawrence
• Taligent docs Bruce Mitchener
• • Taligent docs Chris Corry
• TECH: Servers in Java Brian Hook
• • TECH: Servers in Java Bruce Mitchener
  • • TECH: Servers in Java Brian Hook
  • TECH: Servers in Java Bobby Martin
  • TECH: Servers in Java Emil Eifrem
  • TECH: Servers in Java Aaron Mulder
  • TECH: Servers in Java justice@softhome.net
  • TECH: Servers in Java Brian Hook
  • TECH: Servers in Java Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com