December 2001

• Stories, why? -- Because :) Marian Griffith
• [SECURITY] Bonefarming Adam Martin
• If JRRT did MUDs... Adam Martin
• • If JRRT did MUDs... Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
  • • If JRRT did MUDs... Marcus Johansson
• Story Implementation Lee Sheldon
• • Story Implementation rayzam
  • • Story Implementation Lee Sheldon
  • Story Implementation Jeff Freeman
  • • Story Implementation Lee Sheldon
    • • Story Implementation Jeff Freeman
    • Story Implementation Marian Griffith
    • • Story Implementation Jeff Freeman
      • Story Implementation Jeff Cole
  • Story Implementation Valerio Santinelli
• From the linux-kernel list Jeff Cole
• Survey: Internet Cuts Into TV Time Michael Tresca
• Interesting DAoC Poll Lee Sheldon
• • Interesting DAoC Poll Vincent Archer
  • • Interesting DAoC Poll Robert Fleck
    • Interesting DAoC Poll Azeraab
    • • Interesting DAoC Poll Matt Mihaly
      • Interesting DAoC Poll Dave Shepherd
      • • Interesting DAoC Poll Azeraab
        • • Interesting DAoC Poll Dave Shepherd
          • • Interesting DAoC Poll Matt Mihaly
• Project announcement: Cool++ ryan daum
• DAoC: Empowering Players to Alter the World (was: New laws) Lee Sheldon
• DGN: Chemistry based magic systems Bryan "Cyngon" Helmkamp
• • DGN: Chemistry based magic systems Nathan F. Yospe
  • • DGN: Chemistry based magic systems rayzam
    • • DGN: Chemistry based magic systems Bryan "Cyngon" Helmkamp
    • DGN: Chemistry based magic systems Bryan "Cyngon" Helmkamp
    • • DGN: Chemistry based magic systems Sellers, Mike
• RuneSword Brian Hook
• Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
• • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Elia Morling
  • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Timothy Dang
  • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Koster, Raph
  • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) John Buehler
    • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Koster, Raph
      • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) John Buehler
        • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Travis Nixon
        • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Marian Griffith
        • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Steve {Bloo} Daniels
    • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Koster, Raph
      • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Steve {Bloo} Daniels
    • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Sellers, Mike
    • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Matt Mihaly
    • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Travis Nixon
      • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Matt Mihaly
      • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Koster, Raph
      • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Travis Nixon
        • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Bobby Martin
          • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Paul Schwanz
            • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Peter Harkins
              • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Paul Schwanz
            • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
            • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Bobby Martin
              • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Timothy Dang
    • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Travis Nixon
    • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Koster, Raph
• RE : Story Implementation Veynom
• • RE : Story Implementation Matt Mihaly
  • • RE : Story Implementation Matt Mihaly
• Economy (was [STORY] Story and population size) Jeff Cole
• • Economy (was [STORY] Story and population size) Dave Rickey
  • • Economy (was [STORY] Story and population size) Jeff Cole
    • • Economy (was [STORY] Story and populationsize) Dave Rickey
• RE : Story Implementation Veynom
• • RE : Story Implementation Matt Mihaly
• economy and population size Adam Martin
• • economy and population size J C Lawrence
• Art vs. Fun Michael Tresca
• • Art vs. Fun Koster, Raph
  • • Art vs. Fun Matt Mihaly
  • Art vs. Fun Matt Mihaly
  • Art vs. Fun Robert Zubek
• First use of "avatar"? Koster, Raph
• • First use of "avatar"? Lars Duening
  • • First use of "avatar"? Matt Mihaly
  • First use of "avatar"? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • • First use of "avatar"? Koster, Raph
  • First use of "avatar"? Steve {Bloo} Daniels
  • First use of "avatar"? Travis Casey
  • • First use of "avatar"? Koster, Raph
    • First use of "avatar"? Christopher Kohnert
    • • First use of "avatar"? Travis Casey
      • • First use of "avatar"? Koster, Raph
        • • First use of "avatar"? Travis Nixon
          • • First use of "avatar"? Madman Across the Water
    • First use of "avatar"? Takis Kalogiratos
  • First use of "avatar"? Tamzen Cannoy
  • First use of "avatar"? Dr. Cat
  • • First use of "avatar"? F. Randall Farmer
  • First use of "avatar"? Mats Lidstrom
  • • First use of "avatar"? Koster, Raph
    • • First use of "avatar"? Nathan F. Yospe
      • First use of "avatar"? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • First use of "avatar"? Richard A. Bartle
• Managing MUD economy Vladimir Prelovac
• • Managing MUD economy opteek
  • Managing MUD economy Koster, Raph
  • • Managing MUD economy Derek Licciardi
  • Managing MUD economy Bryan "Cyngon" Helmkamp
  • • Managing MUD economy Sasha Hart
  • Managing MUD economy Vladimir Prelovac
  • • Managing MUD economy Freeman, Jeff
    • • Managing MUD economy John Buehler
      • • Managing MUD economy Marian Griffith
      • Managing MUD economy Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • Managing MUD economy Adam Martin
    • Managing MUD economy Sasha Hart
    • Managing MUD economy Marc Hernandez
    • • Managing MUD economy Travis Casey
      • • Managing MUD economy Vladimir Prelovac
        • • Managing MUD economy Travis Casey
          • • Managing MUD economy William Murdick
    • Managing MUD economy Timothy Dang
• MUD implementation issues. Marcus Johansson
• • MUD implementation issues. J C Lawrence
  • • MUD implementation issues. Nicholas E. Walker
  • MUD implementation issues. Phillip Lenhardt
  • MUD implementation issues. Bruce Mitchener
  • • MUD implementation issues. Jonathan Berling
    • • MUD implementation issues. Bruce Mitchener
    • MUD implementation issues. Marcus Johansson
    • • MUD implementation issues. Bruce Mitchener
• Economy Vincent Archer
• • Economy Travis Casey
  • • Economy Koster, Raph
    • • Economy Travis Casey
      • • Economy Koster, Raph
    • Economy Amanda Walker
    • • Economy Matt Mihaly
• Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll Azeraab
• • Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll Dave Shepherd
  • • Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll Azeraab
    • • Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll John Buehler
      • • Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll Vincent Archer
• MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
• • MMORPGs & MUDs Derek Licciardi
  • • MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
    • • MMORPGs & MUDs Brian Hook
    • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
    • • MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
      • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
          On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Sellers, Mike wrote:
          
          > There are doubtless ways to skin this cat that none of us have
          > thought of. That said, *IF* you want to create a business making
          > a graphical online game (meaning you don't do it in your
          > off-hours), the costs mount quickly into the multiple millions of
          > dollars. I still believe it is possible to make a new 3D MMP game
          > for less than $5M... But despite my belief, I have not been able
          > to jigger the spreadsheets to make a good business case (read: low
          > enough risk) that shows this. First one who does, and who
          > actually makes it with a game that sustains itself for a couple of
          > years, will have a real winner on their hands.
          
          Well, no specified it had to be 3D. I mean, if people are saying you
          need 5 million (and likely a lot more) to build an Everquest clone,
          I'll certainly agree. I'm just saying that not every project has to
          try and go for the brass ring and compete on quality and quantity of
          graphics, etc.
          
          The assumption also seems to be being made that what you can charge
          is about $10/month, and I don't buy that assumption. Maybe if you're
          doing an Everquest game, that's what you can get away with charging,
          but smaller MUDs can charge more.
          
          >> What you're saying is like saying "All movies cost 50-100 million
          >> to make."
          
          > More specifically, "all movies that pay their actors, hands,
          > editors, etc., and that make a decent ROI for their investors cost
          > 50-100 million to make." Said that way -- leaving out films where
          > no one gets paid or no one makes any money -- it's not far from
          > the truth at all.
          
          All of Woody Allen's movies cost far less than that to make, and
          they almost all are profitable (He makes about one a year). And, he
          manages to do it while being recognized as one of the leading
          artistic film talents of his generation. A lot of smaller
          independent movies end up having an ROI, measured by percent at
          least (which I'll grant isn't everything), much higher than the
          50-100 million blockbusters do.
          
          Again, I get the impression people are blinded by that big brass
          ring looming out there somewhere.
          
          >> Well, if you define massively multiplayer as over 100,000 then of
          >> course, you're right by definition. Otherwise though, you're
          >> not. And I'll tell you I know that because I've done the
          >> financials for one that needs considerably less.
          
          > Proof's in the pudding though Matt. I'll be overjoyed for you
          > when you make this happen. And *maybe* transitioning from text to
          > graphics (if that's what you're thinking of) gives you a
          > sufficient leg up that you can amortize a lot of costs as already
          > sunk, and so you can avoid a lot of other costs. I don't know.
          > But as dubious as I am, if you can make the running costs and ROI
          > work for a graphical MMP game with a much smaller audience size, I
          > will be one of the ones cheering loudest.
          
          No, I'm not thinking of translating text into graphics. All other
          issues aside, Achaea isn't suitable for graphics. It'd be robbed of
          its spirit.
          
          I'm not even saying I'll end up attempting it, and of course, who
          knows whether I'd succeed. I'm convinced it can be done though. I'd
          be surprised if someone isn't already working on something graphical
          and smaller that will work out well financially.
          
          --matt
      • MMORPGs & MUDs Derek Licciardi
      • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
    • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
    • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
      • • MMORPGs & MUDs Lee Sheldon
        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Mike Caruso
            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Adam Martin
  • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
  • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
    • • MMORPGs & MUDs Jeff Freeman
      • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Jeff Freeman
              • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                • • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
                  • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                  • MMORPGs & MUDs Jeff Freeman
                  • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                    • • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
                      • • MMORPGs & MUDs Madrona Tree
                        • • MMORPGs & MUDs John Buehler
                        • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
                          • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
                          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
                              • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
                        • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
                          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
                            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
                              • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
                          • MMORPGs & MUDs David H. Loeser Jr.
                          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                      • MMORPGs & MUDs Freeman, Jeff
                      • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
                          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Vincent Archer
                              • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
                              • • MMORPGs & MUDs Vincent Archer
                              • MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
                              • • MMORPGs & MUDs rayzam
                                • • MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
                      • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
                      • • MMORPGs & MUDs William B. Taylor
                        • MMORPGs & MUDs Skaei@aol.com
                        • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
                          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Madrona Tree
                            • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Christopher Allen
                              • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
                              • MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
                        • MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
                        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Vincent Archer
                          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
              • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
              • • MMORPGs & MUDs Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
                • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                • • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
              • MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
          • MMORPGs & MUDs Marc Bowden
          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Marc Bowden
              • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
            • MMORPGs & MUDs David Bennett
            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Marc Bowden
          • MMORPGs & MUDs Freeman, Jeff
          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Jeff Freeman
              • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
              • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
              • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
                • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
      • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
  • MMORPGs & MUDs Wes Connell
  • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
  • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
  • • MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
    • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
  • MMORPGs & MUDs Joel Palmtag
  • MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
  • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
    • • MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
      • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michelle Elbert
        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Sami Kosonen
  • MMORPGs & MUDs Azeraab
  • MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
  • MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
• Re[4]: Economy Travis Casey
• Eiffel Brian Hook
• • Eiffel Bruce Mitchener
  • • Eiffel Jonathan Berling
    • • Eiffel Brian Hook
  • Eiffel Richard A. Bartle
  • Eiffel James C. Nugen
  • • Eiffel Nathan F. Yospe
    • Eiffel Ben Tolputt
• ADMIN: Origin of "Avatar" thread J C Lawrence
• Call for Papers - NetGames2002 Tristan Henderson
• Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
• • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Brian Hook
  • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
    • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Koster, Raph
      • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
        • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Koster, Raph
          • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions rayzam
            • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
            • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Travis Casey
      • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
        • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Caliban Tiresias Darklock
          • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
          • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
          • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
      • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Andrew Hefford
      • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
        • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Koster, Raph
          • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Jon Lambert
          • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
  • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Koster, Raph
  • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Dave Rickey
  • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Dave Rickey
    • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
    • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Dave Rickey
      • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
        • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions rayzam
          • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Caliban Tiresias Darklock
          • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions kyndig@kyndig.com
            • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Jon Lambert
      • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Peter Harkins
  • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Travis Casey
  • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• LPC-Natural Language Parser z032383@students.niu.edu
• [TECH] Event Queues in MUDs Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
• • [TECH] Event Queues in MUDs Jon Lambert
  • [TECH] Event Queues in MUDs Christian Loth
• [TECH] algorithm request Malcolm Tester II
• • [TECH] algorithm request William Murdick
  • [TECH] algorithm request Lars Duening
  • [TECH] algorithm request David Bennett
  • [TECH] algorithm request Travis Casey
  • • [TECH] algorithm request Malcolm Tester II
  • [TECH] algorithm request Adam Martin
  • [TECH] algorithm request Eli Stevens
  • [TECH] algorithm request Bobby Martin
  • [TECH] algorithm request Bryan "Cyngon" Helmkamp
• non-'realistic' spatial models Nicholas E. Walker
• • non-'realistic' spatial models rayzam
  • non-'realistic' spatial models Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
  • • non-'realistic' spatial models Cybrarian Rök
  • non-'realistic' spatial models Nathan F. Yospe
• The Problem With "Massive" Michael Tresca
• The Ideal Player Michael Tresca
• • The Ideal Player Lars Duening
  • The Ideal Player Dave Rickey
  • • The Ideal Player Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• [Theory?] Parsing of knowledge to allow for more interactive NPCs holding99@mindspring.com
• • [Theory?] Parsing of knowledge to allow for more interactive NPCs Robert Zubek
  • • [Theory?] Parsing of knowledge to allow for more interactive NPCs holding99@mindspring.com
    • • [Theory?] Parsing of knowledge to allow for more interactive NPCs Robert Zubek
• CHI 2002: Funology: Designing Enjoyment Bruce Mitchener
• • CHI 2002: Funology: Designing Enjoyment Bruce Mitchener
  • CHI 2002: Funology: Designing Enjoyment Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• [OFF TOPIC] Happy Holidays Derek Licciardi
• Are crafts fun? Adam Dray
• • Are crafts fun? Michelle
  • • Are crafts fun? Bobby Martin
  • Are crafts fun? Bobby Martin
• Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Jon A. Lambert
• • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) amanda@alfar.com
  • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Marian Griffith
  • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
    • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Marian Griffith
      • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
        • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Marian Griffith
          • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
          • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
          • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• Gender differences -> spatial navigation rayzam
• • Gender differences -> spatial navigation amanda@alfar.com
  • • Gender differences -> spatial navigation Nathan F. Yospe
    • • Gender differences -> spatial navigation shren
• Sex and MUDs... the_sage2000@juno.com
• • Sex and MUDs... Jon Lambert
  • Sex and MUDs... David Bennett
  • Sex and MUDs... Travis Casey
  • • Sex and MUDs... Malcolm Tester II
  • Sex and MUDs... Matt Mihaly
  • Sex and MUDs... Adam Dray
• Some vworlds (maddog) related changes Frank Crowell
• • Some vworlds (maddog) related changes Frank Crowell
• (no subject) claw@kanga.nu
• Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) amanda@alfar.com
  • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
    • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Marian Griffith
  • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #16 3 - 25 msgs) Sellers, Mike
  • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
    • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) amanda@alfar.com
    • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) mystran@ltv.cx
• Combat system in persistent world Veynom
• • Combat system in persistent world J C Lawrence
• Taligent docs Bruce Mitchener
• • Taligent docs Chris Corry
• TECH: Servers in Java Brian Hook
• • TECH: Servers in Java Bruce Mitchener
  • • TECH: Servers in Java Brian Hook
  • TECH: Servers in Java Bobby Martin
  • TECH: Servers in Java Emil Eifrem
  • TECH: Servers in Java Aaron Mulder
  • TECH: Servers in Java justice@softhome.net
  • TECH: Servers in Java Brian Hook
  • TECH: Servers in Java Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com