December 2001

• Stories, why? -- Because :) Marian Griffith
• [SECURITY] Bonefarming Adam Martin
• If JRRT did MUDs... Adam Martin
• • If JRRT did MUDs... Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
  • • If JRRT did MUDs... Marcus Johansson
• Story Implementation Lee Sheldon
• • Story Implementation rayzam
  • • Story Implementation Lee Sheldon
  • Story Implementation Jeff Freeman
  • • Story Implementation Lee Sheldon
    • • Story Implementation Jeff Freeman
    • Story Implementation Marian Griffith
    • • Story Implementation Jeff Freeman
      • Story Implementation Jeff Cole
  • Story Implementation Valerio Santinelli
• From the linux-kernel list Jeff Cole
• Survey: Internet Cuts Into TV Time Michael Tresca
• Interesting DAoC Poll Lee Sheldon
• • Interesting DAoC Poll Vincent Archer
  • • Interesting DAoC Poll Robert Fleck
    • Interesting DAoC Poll Azeraab
    • • Interesting DAoC Poll Matt Mihaly
      • Interesting DAoC Poll Dave Shepherd
      • • Interesting DAoC Poll Azeraab
        • • Interesting DAoC Poll Dave Shepherd
          • • Interesting DAoC Poll Matt Mihaly
• Project announcement: Cool++ ryan daum
• DAoC: Empowering Players to Alter the World (was: New laws) Lee Sheldon
• DGN: Chemistry based magic systems Bryan "Cyngon" Helmkamp
• • DGN: Chemistry based magic systems Nathan F. Yospe
  • • DGN: Chemistry based magic systems rayzam
    • • DGN: Chemistry based magic systems Bryan "Cyngon" Helmkamp
    • DGN: Chemistry based magic systems Bryan "Cyngon" Helmkamp
    • • DGN: Chemistry based magic systems Sellers, Mike
• RuneSword Brian Hook
• Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
• • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Elia Morling
  • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Timothy Dang
  • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Koster, Raph
  • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) John Buehler
    • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Koster, Raph
      • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) John Buehler
        • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Travis Nixon
        • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Marian Griffith
        • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Steve {Bloo} Daniels
    • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Koster, Raph
      • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Steve {Bloo} Daniels
    • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Sellers, Mike
    • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Matt Mihaly
    • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Travis Nixon
      • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Matt Mihaly
      • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Koster, Raph
      • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Travis Nixon
        • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Bobby Martin
          • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Paul Schwanz
            • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Peter Harkins
              • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Paul Schwanz
            • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
            • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Bobby Martin
              • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Timothy Dang
    • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Travis Nixon
    • • Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Koster, Raph
• RE : Story Implementation Veynom
• • RE : Story Implementation Matt Mihaly
  • • RE : Story Implementation Matt Mihaly
• Economy (was [STORY] Story and population size) Jeff Cole
• • Economy (was [STORY] Story and population size) Dave Rickey
  • • Economy (was [STORY] Story and population size) Jeff Cole
    • • Economy (was [STORY] Story and populationsize) Dave Rickey
• RE : Story Implementation Veynom
• • RE : Story Implementation Matt Mihaly
• economy and population size Adam Martin
• • economy and population size J C Lawrence
• Art vs. Fun Michael Tresca
• • Art vs. Fun Koster, Raph
  • • Art vs. Fun Matt Mihaly
  • Art vs. Fun Matt Mihaly
    I want to start out by saying that I am an unapologetic elitist when
    it comes to art (and a lot of other things), and I'm going to
    respond to Jessica's article from that position.
    
    Jessica Mulligan wrote:
    
    > No, your importance to the designers is not as a game player and
    > paying customer; you have a far more important role. You are
    > experimental performance art, my friend. The experiment may be in
    > methods of delivering a particular story vision, the outcome of
    > which is pre-determined in the mind of the designer, to see how
    > you wiggle on the hook, or in how to force players into taking
    > part in so-called "player-controlled justice systems" to see how
    > you and other players form communities (the outcome of which is
    > also predetermined in the mind of the designer). But guinea pig
    > actors you are, and paying for the privilege, too.
    
    I'd be more likely, as a player, to pay to participate in a social
    experiment like that than to pay to go kill some goblins so I can
    kill some orcs so I can kill some bugbears so I can kill some
    vampires so I can kill some dragons. (I'm not claiming Achaea is
    some artistic work of genius, incidentally, just in case there was
    any question. It IS more interesting than loot-and-level, at least
    to me.)
    
    > Don't believe me? Hit any search engine and run a search on
    > "player justice systems" or "player-driven justice systems."
    
    I'll assume you mean that in a sort of tongue-and-cheek way, as when
    I searched on Google. "player justice systems" revealed exactly 2
    links, both to your article. "Player-driven justice systems"
    revealed 6 links, two of which led to your article.
    
    > You'll see some very familiar names from the persistent world game
    > industry and read a lot about "using storyline to encode ethical
    > systems" and "teaching moral lessons." If you follow enough of the
    > subsidiary links and dig down deep enough (take a shovel, 'cause
    > you'll need it), you'll read about such arcane matters as "the
    > responsibility of the artist," "communicating an expression to the
    > audience" and "artistic differences." When you're done reading,
    > you'll realize that there is a disconnect between you and many of
    > the designers. In your mind, you're a game player; in theirs,
    > you're part of a participatory audience in creating Art.
    
    God forbid we encourage you to think about anything arcane. Sorry,
    I'll go back to giving you orcs to kill.
    
    > And I've no objection to art, as long as that's what I wanted in
    > the first place.
    
    So then where is your objection, exactly? If you feel that these
    games are trying to force-feed you art, and that's not what you
    want, why do you log in?
    
    > However, when I walk into a museum to see the works of the great
    > masters, I don't expect to be handed a brush and canvas and told
    > to get busy.
    
    And yet you're complaining when this happens in MUDs, even though
    you DO expect it, judging by this column generally. Perhaps the
    problem is your expectations, which are a lot easier to change than
    other people's behavior.
    
    > Art is to be remembered and cherished, while Entertainment is a
    > momentary thing done for money, best done in the dark and be sure
    > to wash your hands afterwards. Artists are real big on government
    > and private patronage, whereas Entertainers hope to strike it big
    > by having lots of people pay for their work in some form or
    > another.
    
    As someone who is solidly on the elist Artist side of things, I can
    tell you that not all of us are big on government. I'd shut down the
    NEA tomorrow if I had the choice.
    
    > One side seems to feel that making money off charging the mass is
    > somehow less righteous than having some moneyed elite hand out
    > honorariums to advance Art; it has something to do with "pandering
    > to the lowest common denominator."
    
    You and half the people on this list are probably going to find this
    extremely offensive, but the fact is, by and large, the rich are
    more educated than the masses. They have the time and the money to
    acquire a level of discernment that is so sadly lacking from the
    masses. Obviously this is a generalization, but it's an accurate one
    in my experience. I believe it was GB Shaw who once said something
    to the effect of, "It is more difficult for the soul to soar free
    when the rent has to be paid." (My apologies if I'm mis-remembering
    the quote, or mis-using his meaning at all.)
    
    And indeed, this seems to be true. Most of the great Western artists
    (I don't know enough about Eastern art aside from the biggest names
    to comment) come from privileged backgrounds. That doesn't mean they
    came from landed aristocracy, but most were educated
    intellectuals. Even Shakespeare's stuff was either not written by
    Shakespeare (a theory taken seriously in some serious literary
    circles) or the common history of Shakespeare is wrong. His command
    of language and, in fact, foreign language, as well as some of the
    references he makes clearly indicates an educated and thus
    privileged mind (wasn't much democratization of education in his
    day).
    
    Now, I'm going to make the assumption, based on an admittedly
    unrepresentative sampling of the population (my friends), that
    education increases one's ability to appreciate art. It doesn't have
    to be necessary, but I don't think it's a stretch to say that it
    opens one's mind to new ways of seeing the world, which allows you
    to appreciate something from more and more angles. Assuming that's
    true, then it seems to me that even if you abandon any sort of
    objective criteria for art, you're still left with the fact that art
    that is difficult due to its intricate crafting (though it may look,
    sound, or read as if it's effortles= s) can, at its best, express
    meaning more precisely, more elegantly, and more powerfully. It may
    price itself, intellectually, out of the mass market. Look at Joyce,
    for instance. His writing is amazing. It's has such depth to it in
    every way, that it's almost mathematical in its precision. It also
    requires something more than a passing effort to really appreciate,
    but it has the same sort of beauty as a rose that is eternally
    unfolding. Layer after beautiful layer of meaning.
    
    If you pander to the lowest common denominator, you can kiss any
    hope of that goodbye unless you have an extremely rare talent, like
    Dickens or Shakespeare did. And even they failed in the end. They're
    both solidly in the realm of the Artist and the Intellectual now.
    
    > This is an argument that will never be "won," of course. Both
    > sides have valid issues to express and axes to grind, so we'll be
    > hearing about it until the heat death of the Universe.
    
    Yes, I agree with this at least. I'm willing to recognize the
    arguments of both sides rest essentially on arbitrary assumptions
    about the value of things like money, fame, art itself, etc.
    
    > And having been a designer, I can tell you there is a subtle
    > thrill in the thought that you are creating something that people
    > might remember for a long time. However, the most salient feature
    > of the Art vs. Entertainment argument that I've been able to
    > discern seems to be that those who actively set out to Create Art
    > As Art are often less well-remembered than those who set out to
    > Create Art To Make A Buck.
    
    I don't think being well-remembered is the end-all be-all goal of
    Art.
    
    > What I hope you take away from this example (aside from the weird
    > and slightly disturbing thought that Melrose Place may be
    > considered the pinnacle of 20th Century Art 400 years from now) is
    > that Shakespeare's first consideration wasn't Art; he was trying
    > to make sure he and his buddies in the theater troupe called The
    > Lord Chamberlain's Men had food on the table and a roof over their
    > heads. His first consideration was entertainment; if he didn't
    > entertain the audience, he was going to starve, pure and simple.
    > It was later generations that branded his work
    > Art-with-a-capital-A; the mass consumers of his own time just
    > considered it a ripping good time for a penny.
    
    He's one example, and I'd say he and others like him are somewhat
    significantly outnumbered in the arena of great art by the
    self-aware Artists.
    
    > Have some people set out to create Art, made money and remain
    > known today?
    
    Are making money and remaining known the only reasons you can
    conceive of to make Art? I don't have any problem with them as
    reasons I suppose, but on the spectrum between what I'd call pure
    Art and pure dreck, money is a weight dragging you (the impersonal
    you) into the sewer.
    
    > player-versus-player environment are a perfect example. There is
    > no doubt a place for niche games that feature non-consensual PvP
    > and this isn't the place to get into the arguments for and against
    > in detail. The fact is, the market has shown clearly that even
    > most hard core gamers don't want non-consensual PvP in a
    > commercial environment.
    
    Well, the current market has shown that at least. It's probably fair
    to speculate the mass market would prefer that too, but I think it's
    too soon to say.
    
    > That hasn't stopped designers' arguments for and attempts to
    > implement such systems. My favorite rationale for it has to be
    > "Non-consensual PvP promotes community." I'm sure that it does,
    > occasionally and among a small and highly motivated sector of the
    > community. As Ultima Online clearly showed, however,
    > non-consensual PvP far more often promotes "I'm tired of being
    > constantly ganked by a gang of social misfits" and "I'm taking
    > this piece of crap back to the store."
    
    You're willing to draw conclusions about what is possible in an
    entire industry, based on the first major product in that industry?
    That's bold. You may or may not be right, but you've certainly not
    got the evidence to take that assertation as anything other than a
    nebulously-founded opinion.
    
    > These attempts to create Art also ignore one other important facet
    > of for-pay persistent worlds, maybe the most important facet; the
    > need of the player to create his/her own art. Unlike television,
    > movies or museums, gaming is a participatory medium; any story
    > arc, photo-realistic graphic or game system is just a backdrop and
    > tool for the player to create his own story and legend. That's why
    > we're there. When those get in the way, we're gone, simple as
    > that.
    
    Exactly, it's there for the players to create their stories. The
    systems we create, and the -process- by which the players create the
    stories is the art right now, I think. It's appropriately
    post-modern for our medium, don't you think? What I find funny about
    that is that I really have never felt comfortable with
    process-as-art until MUDs.
    
    > No doubt some quarters will roundly castigate me for suggesting
    > that the primary purpose of an online game should be
    > entertainment; the prevailing bent is far more academic than
    > entertainment-oriented.
    
    Well, I would castigate anyone for suggesting that the primary
    purpose of an online worlds generally should be anything in
    particular other than what the owners decide it should be. It's
    theirs, after all. I know you're mainly speaking about very large
    graphical MUDs, but if I could afford it, I think I might like
    creating a large graphical MUD to do what I wanted, and not worry
    too much about it making money. Granted, it's unlikely I'll ever be
    able to afford to throw away that much money, but I wouldn't see
    anything wrong with doing it for the sake of my own vision. I'm sure
    others would end up enjoying my vision anyway, even if it wasn't a
    financial success.
    
    > While there are elements of that attitude that are good — and
    > maybe, arguably, necessary for the advancement of online gaming
    > — I'm rather tired of it being the end-all and be-all. Given
    > that, is it any wonder that today's persistent world role-playing
    > games at launch are unmitigated design disasters, which are then
    > 'fine-tuned' to more accurately suit the desires of the designers
    > and then, finally and generally after the original designers have
    > moved on to the next project, are fine-tuned to more accurately
    > suit reality and the desires of the paying customers?
    
    Well, indeed. I will agree that I wonder about anyone attempting Art
    in the standard loot-and-level game that needs the lowest common
    denominator to accomplish the goal of the game (making money).
    
    --matt
  • Art vs. Fun Robert Zubek
• First use of "avatar"? Koster, Raph
• • First use of "avatar"? Lars Duening
  • • First use of "avatar"? Matt Mihaly
  • First use of "avatar"? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • • First use of "avatar"? Koster, Raph
  • First use of "avatar"? Steve {Bloo} Daniels
  • First use of "avatar"? Travis Casey
  • • First use of "avatar"? Koster, Raph
    • First use of "avatar"? Christopher Kohnert
    • • First use of "avatar"? Travis Casey
      • • First use of "avatar"? Koster, Raph
        • • First use of "avatar"? Travis Nixon
          • • First use of "avatar"? Madman Across the Water
    • First use of "avatar"? Takis Kalogiratos
  • First use of "avatar"? Tamzen Cannoy
  • First use of "avatar"? Dr. Cat
  • • First use of "avatar"? F. Randall Farmer
  • First use of "avatar"? Mats Lidstrom
  • • First use of "avatar"? Koster, Raph
    • • First use of "avatar"? Nathan F. Yospe
      • First use of "avatar"? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • First use of "avatar"? Richard A. Bartle
• Managing MUD economy Vladimir Prelovac
• • Managing MUD economy opteek
  • Managing MUD economy Koster, Raph
  • • Managing MUD economy Derek Licciardi
  • Managing MUD economy Bryan "Cyngon" Helmkamp
  • • Managing MUD economy Sasha Hart
  • Managing MUD economy Vladimir Prelovac
  • • Managing MUD economy Freeman, Jeff
    • • Managing MUD economy John Buehler
      • • Managing MUD economy Marian Griffith
      • Managing MUD economy Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • Managing MUD economy Adam Martin
    • Managing MUD economy Sasha Hart
    • Managing MUD economy Marc Hernandez
    • • Managing MUD economy Travis Casey
      • • Managing MUD economy Vladimir Prelovac
        • • Managing MUD economy Travis Casey
          • • Managing MUD economy William Murdick
    • Managing MUD economy Timothy Dang
• MUD implementation issues. Marcus Johansson
• • MUD implementation issues. J C Lawrence
  • • MUD implementation issues. Nicholas E. Walker
  • MUD implementation issues. Phillip Lenhardt
  • MUD implementation issues. Bruce Mitchener
  • • MUD implementation issues. Jonathan Berling
    • • MUD implementation issues. Bruce Mitchener
    • MUD implementation issues. Marcus Johansson
    • • MUD implementation issues. Bruce Mitchener
• Economy Vincent Archer
• • Economy Travis Casey
  • • Economy Koster, Raph
    • • Economy Travis Casey
      • • Economy Koster, Raph
    • Economy Amanda Walker
    • • Economy Matt Mihaly
• Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll Azeraab
• • Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll Dave Shepherd
  • • Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll Azeraab
    • • Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll John Buehler
      • • Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll Vincent Archer
• MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
• • MMORPGs & MUDs Derek Licciardi
  • • MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
    • • MMORPGs & MUDs Brian Hook
    • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
    • • MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
      • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
      • MMORPGs & MUDs Derek Licciardi
      • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
    • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
    • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
      • • MMORPGs & MUDs Lee Sheldon
        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Mike Caruso
            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Adam Martin
  • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
  • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
    • • MMORPGs & MUDs Jeff Freeman
      • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Jeff Freeman
              • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                • • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
                  • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                  • MMORPGs & MUDs Jeff Freeman
                  • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                    • • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
                      • • MMORPGs & MUDs Madrona Tree
                        • • MMORPGs & MUDs John Buehler
                        • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
                          • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
                          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
                              • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
                        • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
                          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
                            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
                              • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
                          • MMORPGs & MUDs David H. Loeser Jr.
                          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
                      • MMORPGs & MUDs Freeman, Jeff
                      • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
                          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Vincent Archer
                              • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
                              • • MMORPGs & MUDs Vincent Archer
                              • MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
                              • • MMORPGs & MUDs rayzam
                                • • MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
                      • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
                      • • MMORPGs & MUDs William B. Taylor
                        • MMORPGs & MUDs Skaei@aol.com
                        • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
                          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Madrona Tree
                            • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Christopher Allen
                              • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
                              • MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
                        • MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
                        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Vincent Archer
                          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
              • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
              • • MMORPGs & MUDs Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
                • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
                • • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
              • MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
          • MMORPGs & MUDs Marc Bowden
          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Marc Bowden
              • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
            • MMORPGs & MUDs David Bennett
            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Marc Bowden
          • MMORPGs & MUDs Freeman, Jeff
          • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
            • • MMORPGs & MUDs Jeff Freeman
              • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
              • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
              • • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
                • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
      • MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
  • MMORPGs & MUDs Wes Connell
  • MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
  • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
  • • MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
    • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
  • MMORPGs & MUDs Joel Palmtag
  • MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
  • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
    • • MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
      • • MMORPGs & MUDs Michelle Elbert
        • • MMORPGs & MUDs Sami Kosonen
  • MMORPGs & MUDs Azeraab
  • MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
  • MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
• Re[4]: Economy Travis Casey
• Eiffel Brian Hook
• • Eiffel Bruce Mitchener
  • • Eiffel Jonathan Berling
    • • Eiffel Brian Hook
  • Eiffel Richard A. Bartle
  • Eiffel James C. Nugen
  • • Eiffel Nathan F. Yospe
    • Eiffel Ben Tolputt
• ADMIN: Origin of "Avatar" thread J C Lawrence
• Call for Papers - NetGames2002 Tristan Henderson
• Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
• • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Brian Hook
  • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
    • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Koster, Raph
      • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
        • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Koster, Raph
          • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions rayzam
            • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
            • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Travis Casey
      • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
        • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Caliban Tiresias Darklock
          • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
          • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
          • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
      • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Andrew Hefford
      • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
        • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Koster, Raph
          • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Jon Lambert
          • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
  • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Koster, Raph
  • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Dave Rickey
  • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Dave Rickey
    • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
    • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Dave Rickey
      • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
        • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions rayzam
          • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Caliban Tiresias Darklock
          • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions kyndig@kyndig.com
            • • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Jon Lambert
      • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Peter Harkins
  • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Travis Casey
  • Continuous versus Discrete Functions Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• LPC-Natural Language Parser z032383@students.niu.edu
• [TECH] Event Queues in MUDs Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
• • [TECH] Event Queues in MUDs Jon Lambert
  • [TECH] Event Queues in MUDs Christian Loth
• [TECH] algorithm request Malcolm Tester II
• • [TECH] algorithm request William Murdick
  • [TECH] algorithm request Lars Duening
  • [TECH] algorithm request David Bennett
  • [TECH] algorithm request Travis Casey
  • • [TECH] algorithm request Malcolm Tester II
  • [TECH] algorithm request Adam Martin
  • [TECH] algorithm request Eli Stevens
  • [TECH] algorithm request Bobby Martin
  • [TECH] algorithm request Bryan "Cyngon" Helmkamp
• non-'realistic' spatial models Nicholas E. Walker
• • non-'realistic' spatial models rayzam
  • non-'realistic' spatial models Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
  • • non-'realistic' spatial models Cybrarian Rök
  • non-'realistic' spatial models Nathan F. Yospe
• The Problem With "Massive" Michael Tresca
• The Ideal Player Michael Tresca
• • The Ideal Player Lars Duening
  • The Ideal Player Dave Rickey
  • • The Ideal Player Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• [Theory?] Parsing of knowledge to allow for more interactive NPCs holding99@mindspring.com
• • [Theory?] Parsing of knowledge to allow for more interactive NPCs Robert Zubek
  • • [Theory?] Parsing of knowledge to allow for more interactive NPCs holding99@mindspring.com
    • • [Theory?] Parsing of knowledge to allow for more interactive NPCs Robert Zubek
• CHI 2002: Funology: Designing Enjoyment Bruce Mitchener
• • CHI 2002: Funology: Designing Enjoyment Bruce Mitchener
  • CHI 2002: Funology: Designing Enjoyment Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• [OFF TOPIC] Happy Holidays Derek Licciardi
• Are crafts fun? Adam Dray
• • Are crafts fun? Michelle
  • • Are crafts fun? Bobby Martin
  • Are crafts fun? Bobby Martin
• Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Jon A. Lambert
• • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) amanda@alfar.com
  • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Marian Griffith
  • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
    • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Marian Griffith
      • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
        • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Marian Griffith
          • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
          • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
          • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• Gender differences -> spatial navigation rayzam
• • Gender differences -> spatial navigation amanda@alfar.com
  • • Gender differences -> spatial navigation Nathan F. Yospe
    • • Gender differences -> spatial navigation shren
• Sex and MUDs... the_sage2000@juno.com
• • Sex and MUDs... Jon Lambert
  • Sex and MUDs... David Bennett
  • Sex and MUDs... Travis Casey
  • • Sex and MUDs... Malcolm Tester II
  • Sex and MUDs... Matt Mihaly
  • Sex and MUDs... Adam Dray
• Some vworlds (maddog) related changes Frank Crowell
• • Some vworlds (maddog) related changes Frank Crowell
• (no subject) claw@kanga.nu
• Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
• • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) amanda@alfar.com
  • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
    • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Marian Griffith
  • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #16 3 - 25 msgs) Sellers, Mike
  • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
    • • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) amanda@alfar.com
    • Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) mystran@ltv.cx
• Combat system in persistent world Veynom
• • Combat system in persistent world J C Lawrence
• Taligent docs Bruce Mitchener
• • Taligent docs Chris Corry
• TECH: Servers in Java Brian Hook
• • TECH: Servers in Java Bruce Mitchener
  • • TECH: Servers in Java Brian Hook
  • TECH: Servers in Java Bobby Martin
  • TECH: Servers in Java Emil Eifrem
  • TECH: Servers in Java Aaron Mulder
  • TECH: Servers in Java justice@softhome.net
  • TECH: Servers in Java Brian Hook
  • TECH: Servers in Java Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com