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December 2001

Stories, why? -- Because :) Marian Griffith
[SECURITY] Bonefarming Adam Martin
If JRRT did MUDs... Adam Martin
- If JRRT did MUDs... Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
- - If JRRT did MUDs... Marcus Johansson
Story Implementation Lee Sheldon
- Story Implementation rayzam
- - Story Implementation Lee Sheldon
- Story Implementation Jeff Freeman
- - Story Implementation Lee Sheldon
  - - Story Implementation Jeff Freeman
  - Story Implementation Marian Griffith
    
    In <URL:/archives/meow?group+local.muddev> on Wed 05 Dec, Jeff Freeman wrote:
    > Lee Sheldon Wrote:
    
    > When I say that we should be doing game-systems that create story
    > by virtue of being played - i.e. games as story - the above is
    > pretty close to what I'm saying we should be doing.
    
    That is the difference between a narrative (where you tell somebody
    else a story) and acting (where you participate in a story). The
    first will (can) not work in a mud, the second is the most natural
    way, but requires a lot more abilities on the part of both the game
    and the game's characters (not the players). It also gives the
    players the power to fundamentally and permanent- ly alter the
    gameworld, and it has to or otherwise the game would be experienced
    as stagnant and boring very quickly indeed. If you are an actor in
    the game then your actions must matter or you will not bother.
    
    > Which leaves me to think that we've been arguing as the result of
    > not having a common-vocabulary, rather than as any real
    > disagreement as to what games should be trying to do.
    
    The two of you perhaps :) The discussion on the other hand started
    out with the unformulated assumption by some people that they could,
    and should, tell stories to the players, and whether or not the
    backstory of current games mattered at all, as well as the long
    expositories that frequently accompany quests on muds.
    
    > Your arguments against the linear quest which every player
    > experiences as though they are the only ones to do it, which has
    > no impact on the world whether they succeed, fail or logout, are
    > my arguments against the "storied game". I hope that helps to
    > explain what I mean when I write "storied game".
    
    The reason why quests are closed, linear and repetitive is because
    players must, by nature of the current muds, be unable to alter the
    game world. Every new player must experience the same game as every
    other player that has gone before her, with the same difficulties,
    the same challenges and the same rewards. There are good reasons
    for this, but they make for a game that can not fundamentally be
    changed by the players. The problem is of course that the game
    worlds are much too shallow to trust players with the ability to
    permanently alter it. Somebody else said that if you give players
    the ability to burn down things the gameworld will be permanently
    burned down. That is unfortunate- ly true, and it is the reason why
    I said that the gameworld must be large enough (not inert enough !)
    to be able to absorb the player's actions. You can easily burn down
    the average mud world . You can not, on the other hand, burn down
    even the smallest state in the US even if nobody tried to stop you.
    
    [snipped presentation of a number of challenges to stories on muds]
    
    Marian
    --
    Yes - at last - You. I Choose you. Out of all the world,
    out of all the seeking, I have found you, young sister of
    my heart! You are mine and I am yours - and never again
    will there be loneliness ...
    
    Rolan Choosing Talia,
    Arrows of the Queen, by Mercedes Lackey
  - - Story Implementation Jeff Freeman
    - Story Implementation Jeff Cole
- Story Implementation Valerio Santinelli
From the linux-kernel list Jeff Cole
Survey: Internet Cuts Into TV Time Michael Tresca
Interesting DAoC Poll Lee Sheldon
- Interesting DAoC Poll Vincent Archer
- - Interesting DAoC Poll Robert Fleck
  - Interesting DAoC Poll Azeraab
  - - Interesting DAoC Poll Matt Mihaly
    - Interesting DAoC Poll Dave Shepherd
    - - Interesting DAoC Poll Azeraab
      - Interesting DAoC Poll Dave Shepherd
        Interesting DAoC Poll Matt Mihaly
Project announcement: Cool++ ryan daum
DAoC: Empowering Players to Alter the World (was: New laws) Lee Sheldon
DGN: Chemistry based magic systems Bryan "Cyngon" Helmkamp
- DGN: Chemistry based magic systems Nathan F. Yospe
- - DGN: Chemistry based magic systems rayzam
  - - DGN: Chemistry based magic systems Bryan "Cyngon" Helmkamp
  - DGN: Chemistry based magic systems Bryan "Cyngon" Helmkamp
  - - DGN: Chemistry based magic systems Sellers, Mike
RuneSword Brian Hook
Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Elia Morling
- Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Timothy Dang
- Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Koster, Raph
- - Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) John Buehler
  - - Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Koster, Raph
    - - Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) John Buehler
      - Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Travis Nixon
      - Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Marian Griffith
      - Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  - Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Steve {Bloo} Daniels
  - - Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Koster, Raph
    - - Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Steve {Bloo} Daniels
  - Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Sellers, Mike
  - Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Matt Mihaly
  - - Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Travis Nixon
    - - Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Matt Mihaly
    - Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  - Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  - - Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Koster, Raph
    - - Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Travis Nixon
      - Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      - Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Bobby Martin
        Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Paul Schwanz
        Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Peter Harkins
        Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Paul Schwanz
        Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Bobby Martin
        Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Timothy Dang
  - Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Travis Nixon
  - - Economic Growth (Was: [STORY] Story and population size) Koster, Raph
RE : Story Implementation Veynom
- RE : Story Implementation Matt Mihaly
- - RE : Story Implementation Matt Mihaly
Economy (was [STORY] Story and population size) Jeff Cole
- Economy (was [STORY] Story and population size) Dave Rickey
- - Economy (was [STORY] Story and population size) Jeff Cole
  - - Economy (was [STORY] Story and populationsize) Dave Rickey
RE : Story Implementation Veynom
- RE : Story Implementation Matt Mihaly
economy and population size Adam Martin
- economy and population size J C Lawrence
Art vs. Fun Michael Tresca
- Art vs. Fun Koster, Raph
- - Art vs. Fun Matt Mihaly
- Art vs. Fun Matt Mihaly
- Art vs. Fun Robert Zubek
First use of "avatar"? Koster, Raph
- First use of "avatar"? Lars Duening
- - First use of "avatar"? Matt Mihaly
- First use of "avatar"? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- - First use of "avatar"? Koster, Raph
- First use of "avatar"? Steve {Bloo} Daniels
- First use of "avatar"? Travis Casey
- - First use of "avatar"? Koster, Raph
  - First use of "avatar"? Christopher Kohnert
  - - First use of "avatar"? Travis Casey
    - - First use of "avatar"? Koster, Raph
      - First use of "avatar"? Travis Nixon
        First use of "avatar"? Madman Across the Water
  - First use of "avatar"? Takis Kalogiratos
- First use of "avatar"? Tamzen Cannoy
- First use of "avatar"? Dr. Cat
- - First use of "avatar"? F. Randall Farmer
- First use of "avatar"? Mats Lidstrom
- - First use of "avatar"? Koster, Raph
  - - First use of "avatar"? Nathan F. Yospe
    - First use of "avatar"? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- First use of "avatar"? Richard A. Bartle
Managing MUD economy Vladimir Prelovac
- Managing MUD economy opteek
- Managing MUD economy Koster, Raph
- - Managing MUD economy Derek Licciardi
- Managing MUD economy Bryan "Cyngon" Helmkamp
- - Managing MUD economy Sasha Hart
- Managing MUD economy Vladimir Prelovac
- - Managing MUD economy Freeman, Jeff
  - - Managing MUD economy John Buehler
    - - Managing MUD economy Marian Griffith
    - Managing MUD economy Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    - - Managing MUD economy Adam Martin
  - Managing MUD economy Sasha Hart
  - Managing MUD economy Marc Hernandez
  - - Managing MUD economy Travis Casey
    - - Managing MUD economy Vladimir Prelovac
      - Managing MUD economy Travis Casey
        Managing MUD economy William Murdick
  - Managing MUD economy Timothy Dang
MUD implementation issues. Marcus Johansson
- MUD implementation issues. J C Lawrence
- - MUD implementation issues. Nicholas E. Walker
- MUD implementation issues. Phillip Lenhardt
- MUD implementation issues. Bruce Mitchener
- - MUD implementation issues. Jonathan Berling
  - - MUD implementation issues. Bruce Mitchener
  - MUD implementation issues. Marcus Johansson
  - - MUD implementation issues. Bruce Mitchener
Economy Vincent Archer
- Economy Travis Casey
- - Economy Koster, Raph
  - - Economy Travis Casey
    - - Economy Koster, Raph
  - Economy Amanda Walker
  - - Economy Matt Mihaly
Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll Azeraab
- Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll Dave Shepherd
- - Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll Azeraab
  - - Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll John Buehler
    - - Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
    - Ten Rules of PvP was Interesting DAoC Poll Vincent Archer
MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
- MMORPGs & MUDs Derek Licciardi
- - MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
  - - MMORPGs & MUDs Brian Hook
  - MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
  - - MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
    - - MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
    - MMORPGs & MUDs Derek Licciardi
    - - MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
  - MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
  - - MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
    - - MMORPGs & MUDs Lee Sheldon
      - MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
        MMORPGs & MUDs Mike Caruso
        MMORPGs & MUDs Adam Martin
- MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
- - MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
  - - MMORPGs & MUDs Jeff Freeman
    - - MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
      - MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
        MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
        MMORPGs & MUDs Jeff Freeman
        MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
        MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
        MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
        MMORPGs & MUDs Jeff Freeman
        MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
        MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
        MMORPGs & MUDs Madrona Tree
        MMORPGs & MUDs John Buehler
        MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
        MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
        MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
        MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
        MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
        MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
        MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
        MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
        MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
        MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
        MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
        MMORPGs & MUDs David H. Loeser Jr.
        MMORPGs & MUDs Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        MMORPGs & MUDs Freeman, Jeff
        MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
        MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
        MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
        MMORPGs & MUDs Vincent Archer
        MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
        MMORPGs & MUDs Vincent Archer
        MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
        MMORPGs & MUDs rayzam
        MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
        MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
        MMORPGs & MUDs William B. Taylor
        MMORPGs & MUDs Skaei@aol.com
        MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
        MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
        MMORPGs & MUDs Madrona Tree
        MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
        MMORPGs & MUDs Christopher Allen
        MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
        MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
        MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
        MMORPGs & MUDs Vincent Archer
        MMORPGs & MUDs Dave Rickey
        MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
        MMORPGs & MUDs Richard Aihoshi aka Jonric
        MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
        MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
        MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
        MMORPGs & MUDs Marc Bowden
        MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
        MMORPGs & MUDs Marc Bowden
        MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
        MMORPGs & MUDs David Bennett
        MMORPGs & MUDs Marc Bowden
        MMORPGs & MUDs Freeman, Jeff
        MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
        MMORPGs & MUDs Jeff Freeman
        MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
        MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
        MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
        MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
    - MMORPGs & MUDs Matt Mihaly
- MMORPGs & MUDs Wes Connell
- MMORPGs & MUDs Koster, Raph
- MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
- - MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
  - - MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
- MMORPGs & MUDs Joel Palmtag
- MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
- - MMORPGs & MUDs Michael Tresca
  - - MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
    - - MMORPGs & MUDs Michelle Elbert
      - MMORPGs & MUDs Sami Kosonen
- MMORPGs & MUDs Azeraab
- MMORPGs & MUDs Sellers, Mike
- MMORPGs & MUDs J C Lawrence
Re[4]: Economy Travis Casey
Eiffel Brian Hook
- Eiffel Bruce Mitchener
- - Eiffel Jonathan Berling
  - - Eiffel Brian Hook
- Eiffel Richard A. Bartle
- Eiffel James C. Nugen
- - Eiffel Nathan F. Yospe
  - Eiffel Ben Tolputt
ADMIN: Origin of "Avatar" thread J C Lawrence
Call for Papers - NetGames2002 Tristan Henderson
Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
- Continuous versus Discrete Functions Brian Hook
- - Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
  - - Continuous versus Discrete Functions Koster, Raph
    - - Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
      - Continuous versus Discrete Functions Koster, Raph
        Continuous versus Discrete Functions rayzam
        Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
        Continuous versus Discrete Functions Travis Casey
    - Continuous versus Discrete Functions Caliban Tiresias Darklock
    - - Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
      - Continuous versus Discrete Functions Caliban Tiresias Darklock
        Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
        Continuous versus Discrete Functions Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
        Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
    - Continuous versus Discrete Functions Andrew Hefford
    - - Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
      - Continuous versus Discrete Functions Koster, Raph
        Continuous versus Discrete Functions Jon Lambert
        Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
- Continuous versus Discrete Functions Koster, Raph
- Continuous versus Discrete Functions Dave Rickey
- - Continuous versus Discrete Functions Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
  - - Continuous versus Discrete Functions Dave Rickey
  - Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
  - - Continuous versus Discrete Functions Dave Rickey
    - - Continuous versus Discrete Functions John Buehler
      - Continuous versus Discrete Functions rayzam
        Continuous versus Discrete Functions Caliban Tiresias Darklock
        Continuous versus Discrete Functions kyndig@kyndig.com
        Continuous versus Discrete Functions Caliban Tiresias Darklock
    - Continuous versus Discrete Functions Jon Lambert
    - Continuous versus Discrete Functions Peter Harkins
- Continuous versus Discrete Functions Travis Casey
- Continuous versus Discrete Functions Caliban Tiresias Darklock
LPC-Natural Language Parser z032383@students.niu.edu
[TECH] Event Queues in MUDs Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
- [TECH] Event Queues in MUDs Jon Lambert
- [TECH] Event Queues in MUDs Christian Loth
[TECH] algorithm request Malcolm Tester II
- [TECH] algorithm request William Murdick
- [TECH] algorithm request Lars Duening
- [TECH] algorithm request David Bennett
- [TECH] algorithm request Travis Casey
- - [TECH] algorithm request Malcolm Tester II
- [TECH] algorithm request Adam Martin
- [TECH] algorithm request Eli Stevens
- [TECH] algorithm request Bobby Martin
- [TECH] algorithm request Bryan "Cyngon" Helmkamp
non-'realistic' spatial models Nicholas E. Walker
- non-'realistic' spatial models rayzam
- non-'realistic' spatial models Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
- - non-'realistic' spatial models Cybrarian Rök
- non-'realistic' spatial models Nathan F. Yospe
The Problem With "Massive" Michael Tresca
The Ideal Player Michael Tresca
- The Ideal Player Lars Duening
- The Ideal Player Dave Rickey
- - The Ideal Player Caliban Tiresias Darklock
[Theory?] Parsing of knowledge to allow for more interactive NPCs holding99@mindspring.com
- [Theory?] Parsing of knowledge to allow for more interactive NPCs Robert Zubek
- - [Theory?] Parsing of knowledge to allow for more interactive NPCs holding99@mindspring.com
  - - [Theory?] Parsing of knowledge to allow for more interactive NPCs Robert Zubek
CHI 2002: Funology: Designing Enjoyment Bruce Mitchener
- CHI 2002: Funology: Designing Enjoyment Bruce Mitchener
- CHI 2002: Funology: Designing Enjoyment Ola Fosheim Grøstad
[OFF TOPIC] Happy Holidays Derek Licciardi
Are crafts fun? Adam Dray
- Are crafts fun? Michelle
- - Are crafts fun? Bobby Martin
- Are crafts fun? Bobby Martin
Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Jon A. Lambert
- Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) amanda@alfar.com
- Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Marian Griffith
- - Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  - - Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Marian Griffith
    - - Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      - Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Marian Griffith
        Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
        Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
        Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
Gender differences -> spatial navigation rayzam
- Gender differences -> spatial navigation amanda@alfar.com
- - Gender differences -> spatial navigation Nathan F. Yospe
  - - Gender differences -> spatial navigation shren
Sex and MUDs... the_sage2000@juno.com
- Sex and MUDs... Jon Lambert
- Sex and MUDs... David Bennett
- Sex and MUDs... Travis Casey
- - Sex and MUDs... Malcolm Tester II
- Sex and MUDs... Matt Mihaly
- Sex and MUDs... Adam Dray
Some vworlds (maddog) related changes Frank Crowell
- Some vworlds (maddog) related changes Frank Crowell
(no subject) claw@kanga.nu
Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) amanda@alfar.com
- - Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  - Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Marian Griffith
- Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #16 3 - 25 msgs) Sellers, Mike
- - Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  - - Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) amanda@alfar.com
  - Boys and Girls - was (MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #163 - 25 msgs) mystran@ltv.cx
Combat system in persistent world Veynom
- Combat system in persistent world J C Lawrence
Taligent docs Bruce Mitchener
- Taligent docs Chris Corry
TECH: Servers in Java Brian Hook
- TECH: Servers in Java Bruce Mitchener
- - TECH: Servers in Java Brian Hook
- TECH: Servers in Java Bobby Martin
- TECH: Servers in Java Emil Eifrem
- TECH: Servers in Java Aaron Mulder
- TECH: Servers in Java justice@softhome.net
- TECH: Servers in Java Brian Hook
- TECH: Servers in Java Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com