April 2000
- [Open_Gaming_Moderated] Simplified License for Comment and Critique (fwd) J C Lawrence
- An introduction Brian Green
- An idea for breaking away from the HP/Mana mindset Eli Stevens
- An idea for breaking away from the HP/Mana mindset Ryan P.
- An idea for breaking away from the HP/Mana mindset Erik Jarvi
- An idea for breaking away from the HP/Mana mindset Eli Stevens
- An idea for breaking away from the HP/Mana mindset Travis Casey
- An idea for breaking away from the HP/Mana mindset Jeremy Hovance
- An idea for breaking away from the HP/Mana mindset adam@treyarch.com
- Old Topic: Playfulness in 3-D Spaces, done. Rudy Fink
- META: Topic List - 1999 Jon A. Lambert
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Jon A. Lambert
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! cg@ami-cg.GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Cynbe ru Taren
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Miroslav Silovic
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Jay Carlson
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Travis Casey
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Derek Snider
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Holly Sommer
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Nick Shaffner
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Travis S. Casey
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Quzah
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Todd McKimmey
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Spin
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Richard Woolcock
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Miroslav Silovic
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Jon A. Lambert
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Jon Leonard
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Travis Casey
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Powell, Warren
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Travis Casey
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Jon Lambert
- Fw: 16K mud server competition ! Travis Casey
- Fw: DESIGN: XML? Jon A. Lambert
- PK / anti PK / justice? J. Coleman
- Neverwinter Nights Jeff Freeman
- J (was: 16K mud server competition !) Cynbe ru Taren
- J (was: 16K mud server competition !) Miroslav Silovic
- J (was: 16K mud server competition !) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Morality and Values Based Role Play in MMORPGs. Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- MUD-Dev request rejected (fwd) Matthew Mihaly
- MUD-Dev request rejected (fwd) adam@treyarch.com
- MUD-Dev request rejected (fwd) Jeff Freeman
- Orthogonality and invariants Miroslav Silovic
- Orthogonality and invariants cg@ami-cg.GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA
- Uptime numbers (was Orthogonality and invariants) Jay Carlson
- Schmuse J C Lawrence
- Article on WoC's 'Open Sourcing' D&D in Salon Christopher Allen
- Multilevel server concept Draymoor
- Multilevel server concept Tochiro
- Multilevel server concept Emil Eifrem
- Multilevel server concept Kristen L. Koster
- Multilevel server concept Brian Green
- Multilevel server concept Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
- Polls at Kanga.Nu claw@kanga.nu
- Same-Sex Marriage (was: Trouble Makers or Regular Citizens) Ananda Dawnsinger
- Same-Sex Marriage (was: Trouble Makers or Regular Citizens) David Bennett
- Same-Sex Marriage (was: Trouble Makers or Regular Citizens) Matthew Mihaly
- Same-Sex Marriage (was: Trouble Makers or Regular Citizens) Ananda Dawnsinger
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>From: Matthew Mihaly <the_logos@achaea.mudservices.com>
>Date: Fri, Apr 7, 2000, 11:37 AM
>
>On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, Ananda Dawnsinger wrote:
>
>> ----------
>> >From: Matthew Mihaly <the_logos@achaea.mudservices.com>
>
>> The issue is complicated because ours is a multi-racial system and IMO it's
>> neither realistic nor desirable to sanction marriage between species of
>> fundamentally different kingdoms. Will players accept it if two humans of
>> the same sex can marry, but a female human can't marry a male dragon?
>
>It might not be realistic, but really, so what? Dragons aren't realistic
>either. It might not even be internally consistent, but I would argue that
>the #1 goal of any mud that is aiming for success in terms of player-base
>needs to make community-enabling and person-to-person relationship
>building their top priority.
In the general case I'd agree with you. And I think at this point, if I
were given the opportunity to build a MUD world from scratch, I'd design it
so that interracial marriage wasn't an issue.
However, IMO there's no point in designing a suite of original* races and
cultures without taking measures to preserve the distinctiveness of those
races and cultures. And marriage restrictions of some sort need to be part
of those measures. Otherwise the nature of each race will tend to slide
rapidly toward "human," and you pretty much lose the benefits you gain from
having original races -- a bolstered sense of identity and community (within
the race as opposed to within the game), and an increased opportunity for
drama and storytelling. At least that's what I've observed.
>If two players are in puppy love with each
>other (which tends to be a rather ooc thing in my experience), and you
>tell them they can't get married because some byte on their characters are
>different, I think you'll have a couple of very unhappy players. I mean,
>what do you care if they marry, really? Not allowing them to have kids I
>understand.
I've seen a lot of this as a player on a MUD where the races range from
18-inch fairy-like beings to 12-foot-long dragons -- where not only is
marriage often culturally infeasable, but sexual contact is sometimes wildly
implausable. Pretty much whenever a "weird" marriage or coupling takes
place, two things almost invariably occur:
1) The two players directly involved expect their marriage to be embraced
and accepted by everybody.
2) Many fellow players object, because the notion of such a "weird" marriage
breaks their vision of the world.
Most players object to the relationship on the message boards or in private,
but treat the characters more or less as they always did. A few players
usually shun the "weird" couple, or publicly voice their disapproval.
Occasionally somebody will duel or attack one of the folks involved.
(Generally the husband, as you might guess.) A perhaps-surprisingly small
number of players say "Hey, it's their characters, let them do what they
want" -- because most players want to preserve the racial integrity of the
game, not dilute it.
Last I heard, the admins reserved the right to refuse to support a marriage
that they thought "weird." Most players seem to support that stand. I
could be wrong, however, since I haven't played in several years and only
occasionally read the message boards.
This is definitely a topic that will need to be discussed with the early
players before any firm decision is reached.
>> The solution I would (will) suggest is to decouple the legal and the
>> social/religious aspects of marriage. Any two (or more) people can register
>> a union with the city-state, giving them property and inheritance rights.
>> The various religious and racial orders and institutions would be more
>> restrictive.
>
>Sure. If the players can join and leave said restrictive orders at will, I
>don't see any problem. Asking the players to make a bit of sacrifice
>(perhaps leaving said restrictive order) for the sake of love is not a bad
>thing I think.
I think it's very important that players have the opportunity to make a
sacrifice for the sake of love. More broadly, I think it's very important
that players have the opportunity to make choices that have consequences --
for only then can they make choices that truly matter. (Granted, not all
players want this...)
Some players want to run characters that are transgressive. This is
impossible if, in the sake of Open-Mindedness and Not Causing Offense, there
are no transgressions in the game society, or if the only things that are
transgressive are things that are generally outright offensive in human
society (deliberately broad).
On the other hand, I have no doubt that most gay/lesbian/bisexual players
are sick and tired of living in a world in which they are automatically
transgressive based on the nature of their attractions, and would rather not
have their gaming world reflect those same judgements.
Interracial relationships are a different issue, though, because the
real-world and in-game realms don't correspond. Fantasy "races" are often
clearly separate species. The way the game deals with such relationships
may comment on, inform, and be informed by our attitude toward interracial
relationships in the real world; but it's only an analogy, not a parallel.
You can do a lot more interesting (and potentially offensive) things more
safely when you're not dealing with direct paralells.
>> This means that race X can have a long history of blessing same-sex
>> marriages, race Y can have different customs and names for same-sex and
>> opposite-sex unions, and race Z can officially deny that homosexual Zs even
>> exist...
>
>What if an individual member of race Z decided to be homosexual though?
>You're going to make him reincarnate his character or start a new one so
>that he can be with the man he loves? That seems counterproductive to me.
I did say "officially" deny. What did Victorian lesbians do? (I have no
clue, honestly. I'd guess they married and pursued their loves behind the
safety of proper marriage. But surely there _were_ Victorian lesbians, and
surely they _did_ love other women, even though Queen Victoria reportedly
refused to believe such a thing could exist.)
The short answer is, there's nothing wrong with Z being gay as long as he's
willing to accept that his choice is transgressive, won't be officially
accepted, and may lead to him being disapproved of, even shunned, within his
community. If he wants to be race Z, gay, out, proud, and married... he's
probably going to be thwarted by the rules of his culture, and judged
harshly by his roleplaying peers. (And let's face it, we roleplayers are
great at judging harshly...)
The caveat: it has to be reasonably clear that there isn't any provision for
same-sex marriage in culture Z. I'm not sure you have to say it outright --
but if several other cultures do have provisions to recognize same-sex
relationships, race Z doesn't, and race Z is described as being "perhaps
surprisingly, rather conservative and traditional in their domestic and
social affairs", this might be enough of a clue to at least ask an admin
before assuming a gay Z will be privy to all the same rights as a straight
Z. (Or it might be too subtle...)
If you don't do that, you're effectively fizzlethorping**, which is ugly
enough when players do it, and completely unacceptable when done by the
management.
>Internal consistency can go too far (particularly as I'm unaware of it
>being achieved to any great degree in any mud, when you really break the
>systems down. No successful mud that I know of does things like create
>laws of physics that explain things like magic, giants (who, in our world,
>would simply find their bones and muscles unable to support their weight),
>etc.
True. This is why you make sure that all your races are "parts-compatible."
You can prevent a marriage, if you're so inclined; you can't prevent a
boink. Though I'd bet graphical games are better in this regard.
-- Sharon
* "Original" in the sense of "races designed specifically for the game/world
in question." No race worth playing can be wholly original.
** Fizzlethorping: the act of bullying or shunning another player because of
obscure knowledge that you know and they do not. An ugly trait to which
roleplayers are prone (I can say this, I've done it, and I'm not proud of
it). From a post on one of the EverQuest boards in which one person berated
another for not knowing that Fizzlethorpe (sp?) was the first name of the
god Bristlebane. - Same-Sex Marriage (was: Trouble Makers or Regular Citizens) J C Lawrence
- Same-Sex Marriage (was: Trouble Makers or Regular Citizens) Ananda Dawnsinger
- Same-Sex Marriage (was: Trouble Makers or Regular Citizens) Ananda Dawnsinger
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- Historical perspective (was: dealing with foul language) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
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- Family, was characters per account Kevin Scott London
- Family, was characters per account Jeff Freeman
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- Sony to ban sale of online characters from its popular gamingsites Zak Jarvis
- Sony to ban sale of online characters from its popular gaming sites Ryan Palacio
- Sony to ban sale of online characters from its popu lar gaming sites Sellers, Michael
- Sony to ban sale of online characters from its popular gaming sites maddog@best.com
- Sony to ban sale of online characters from its popular gaming sites Wes Connell
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- banning the sale of items Frank Crowell
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- banning the sale of items Matthew Mihaly
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- banning the sale of items Ryan Palacio
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- banning the sale of items Ryan Palacio
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- banning the sale of items Ryan Palacio
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- banning the sale of items Ryan Palacio
- banning the sale of items Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
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- banning the sale of items Raph Koster
- banning the sale of items Ryan Palacio
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- banning the sale of items Schubert, Damion
- banning the sale of items Matthew Mihaly
- banning the sale of items Ananda Dawnsinger
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- banning the sale of items Wes Connell
- banning the sale of items Par Winzell
- banning the sale of items Matthew Mihaly
- banning the sale of items Par Winzell
- banning the sale of items Matthew Mihaly
- banning the sale of items Zak Jarvis
- banning the sale of items Matthew Mihaly
- banning the sale of items Zak Jarvis
- banning the sale of items J. Coleman
- banning the sale of items Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- banning the sale of items Tess Lowe
- banning the sale of items Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- banning the sale of items Christopher Allen
- banning the sale of items Ryan Palacio
- banning the sale of items Kristen L. Koster
- banning the sale of items Christopher Allen
- banning the sale of items Par Winzell
- banning the sale of items Matthew Mihaly
- banning the sale of items J C Lawrence
- banning the sale of items Par Winzell
- banning the sale of items Matthew Mihaly
- banning the sale of items adam@treyarch.com
- banning the sale of items Kevin Littlejohn
- banning the sale of items Raph Koster
- banning the sale of items Raph Koster
- banning the sale of items Matthew Mihaly
- banning the sale of items Kian Wilcox
- banning the sale of items Timothy Dang
- Institutionalizing human behavior (was banning the sale of items) Sellers, Michael
- Institutionalizing human behavior (was banning the sale of items) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Sony to ban sale ... point of view of an eq veteran Brian Green
- Sony to ban sale ... point of view of an eq veteran John Bertoglio
- Sony to ban sale ... point of view of an eq veteran Wes Connell
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- Sony to ban sale ... point of view of an eq veteran Jeff Freeman
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- defeating twinking through game mechanics Travis Casey
- defeating twinking through game mechanics Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- defeating twinking through game mechanics J C Lawrence
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" Timothy Dang
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" F. Randall Farmer
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- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" Christopher Allen
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" Raph Koster
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" Timothy Dang
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- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" Timothy Dang
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" Brian Green
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" adam@treyarch.com
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" Timothy Dang
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" Ananda Dawnsinger
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" Charles Hughes
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" Raph Koster
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" Sellers, Michael
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" Raph Koster
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" Charles Hughes
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" adam@treyarch.com
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" stoddart@slip.net
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" Eli Stevens
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" Raph Koster
- Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO" PLAGNAL XAVIER
- Massive Connections Christopher Kohnert
- Massive Connections Kevin Scott London
- Massive Connections Christopher Kohnert
- MUD-Dev request rejected Jeff Freeman
- interesting article on world size and finance Fred Clift
- interesting article on world size and finance J C Lawrence
- interesting article on world size and finance John Bertoglio
- [Mud-Dev]: Sushi Mud Todd McKimmey
- [Mud-Dev]: Sushi Mud guru@thebay.plus.com
- LA Times article: Virtual Loot for Real Cash Ryan Palacio
- LA Times article: Virtual Loot for Real Cash J C Lawrence
- Alignment (very long) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- Alignment (very long) Christopher Allen
- Alignment (very long) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- Alignment (very long) Kevin Littlejohn
- Alignment (very long) Travis Casey
- Alignment (very long) Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- Character persistance, was Family, was characters per account JC
- Character persistance, was Family, was characters per account Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- shrink wrapped mud development kit (fwd) J C Lawrence
- shrink wrapped mud development kit (fwd) Charles
- shrink wrapped mud development kit (fwd) J C Lawrence
- shrink wrapped mud development kit (fwd) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- shrink wrapped mud development kit (fwd) Chris Jacobson
- shrink wrapped mud development kit (fwd) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- shrink wrapped mud development kit (fwd) Richard Ross
- shrink wrapped mud development kit (fwd) Lee Sheldon
- shrink wrapped mud development kit (fwd) Matt Chatterley
- BioWare to demonstrate Neverwinter Nights at E3 F. Randall Farmer
- BioWare to demonstrate Neverwinter Nights at E3 Jeff Freeman
- BioWare to demonstrate Neverwinter Nights at E3 Travis Casey
- ColdStore. Belated response from a developer. colin@field.medicine.adelaide.edu.au
- ColdStore. Belated response from a developer. Miroslav Silovic
- ColdStore. Belated response from a developer. Jay Carlson
- ColdStore. Belated response from a developer. colin@field.medicine.adelaide.edu.au
- [Meta] Ex-Origin Employees to new Verant studio Eli Stevens
- Game Spec Jman77777@aol.com
- From banning the sale of items to virtual slavery... Stéphane Garin
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- Search engine and thread managing J C Lawrence
- LED0 Frank Crowell
- Re[4]: defeating twinking through game mechanics Travis Casey
- MUME poll results (fwd) J C Lawrence
- MUME poll results (fwd) Christopher Allen
- MUME poll results (fwd) Raph Koster
- MUME poll results (fwd) Charles Hughes
- MUME poll results (fwd) Eric Olsen
- MUME poll results (fwd) Charles Hughes
- selling Godhoods Matthew Mihaly
- selling Godhoods J C Lawrence
- selling Godhoods Chris Jacobson
- selling Godhoods Ananda Dawnsinger
- selling Godhoods Matthew Mihaly
- selling Godhoods Ananda Dawnsinger
- selling Godhoods Matthew Mihaly
- selling Godhoods Ananda Dawnsinger
- selling Godhoods Matthew Mihaly
- selling Godhoods Phillip Lenhardt
- selling Godhoods Ananda Dawnsinger
- selling Godhoods Matthew Mihaly
- selling Godhoods Darren Henderson
- selling Godhoods J C Lawrence
- selling Godhoods Raph Koster
- selling Godhoods Matthew Mihaly
- selling Godhoods Darren Henderson
- selling Godhoods Tess Lowe
- selling Godhoods Ananda Dawnsinger
- selling Godhoods Richard Woolcock
- selling Godhoods Matthew Mihaly
- selling Godhoods Richard Woolcock
- selling Godhoods Matthew Mihaly
- selling Godhoods J C Lawrence
- selling Godhoods Tess Lowe
- selling Godhoods Richard Woolcock
- Selling Godhoods!?! Larvenz
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- selling Godhoods Matthew Mihaly
- Selling Godhoods!?! Par Winzell
- Selling Godhoods!?! Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
- selling Godhoods Jeff Freeman
- Selling Godhoods!?! Mud Imp
- Selling Godhoods!?! J C Lawrence
- Selling Godhoods!?! Kevin Scott London
- Selling Godhoods!?! Christopher Kohnert
- Selling Godhoods!?! Kevin Scott London
- Selling Godhoods!?! Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- selling Godhoods J C Lawrence
- selling Godhoods Raph Koster
- selling Godhoods Ananda Dawnsinger
- selling Godhoods Raph Koster
- selling Godhoods Laurent Bossavit
- selling Godhoods lapsos
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- selling Godhoods Par Winzell
- moving advancement away from experience Eli Stevens
- moving advancement away from experience Travis Casey
- moving advancement away from experience Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- moving advancement away from experience Lee Sheldon
- E3 and exhibit/session passes (follow-ups to Meta) Sellers, Michael
- attracting players Mud Imp
- attracting players Richard Woolcock
- attracting players Chris Lloyd
- Attracting players Koster, Raph
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Chris Lloyd
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Christopher Allen
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Schubert, Damion
- Self-Sufficient Worlds John Bertoglio
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Quzah
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Lee Sheldon
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Phillip Lenhardt
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Mordengaard
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Chris Turner
- Self-Sufficient Worlds lapsos
- Self-Sufficient Worlds F. Randall Farmer
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Chad Arnold
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Sellers, Michael
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Chris Lloyd
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Raph Koster
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Raph Koster
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Lee Sheldon
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Raph Koster
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Lee Sheldon
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Zak Jarvis
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Lee Sheldon
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Zak Jarvis
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Lee Sheldon
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Zak Jarvis
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Lee Sheldon
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Raph Koster
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Zak Jarvis
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Lee Sheldon
- Self-Sufficient Worlds J C Lawrence
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Lee Sheldon
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Matthew Mihaly
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Lee Sheldon
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Sellers, Michael
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Lee Sheldon
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Zak Jarvis
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Lee Sheldon
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Zak Jarvis
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Powell, Warren
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Lee Sheldon
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Zak Jarvis
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Angela Ferraiolo
- Self-Sufficient Worlds Zak Jarvis
- Self-Sufficient Worlds J C Lawrence
- Addressing newbies (was: attracting players) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
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- Addressing newbies (was: attracting players) adam@treyarch.com
- Addressing newbies (was: attracting players) adam@treyarch.com
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- reaction to selling godhoods Kevin Scott London
- Crafts Systems (was:Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO") Ananda Dawnsinger
- Crafts Systems (was:Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO") Raph Koster
- Crafts Systems (was:Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO") Charles Hughes
- Crafts Systems (was:Simpson's "In-Game Economics of UO") Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- datagrams Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- a article on ai -- ANTS -- (fwd) J C Lawrence
- FW: selling Godhoods John Bertoglio
- FW: selling Godhoods Matthew Mihaly
- Skotos Bulk System - a Technical Summary (LONG) Christopher Allen
- "The client is in the hands of the enemy" Schubert, Damion
- "The client is in the hands of the enemy" Zak Jarvis
- "The client is in the hands of the enemy" Kevin Littlejohn
- Procedural Storytelling WAS Self-Sufficient Worlds Zak Jarvis
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Zak Jarvis
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling J C Lawrence
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Raph Koster
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling rob@cs.nwu.edu
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Brandon J. Rickman
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Travis Nixon
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Hess, Ian W {Ian}
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling J C Lawrence
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Travis Nixon
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Raph Koster
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Lee Sheldon
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Marian Griffith
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Lee Sheldon
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Zak Jarvis
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Brandon J. Rickman
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Travis Nixon
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Brandon J. Rickman
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Paul Schwanz - Enterprise Services
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Lee Sheldon
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Brandon J. Rickman
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Lee Sheldon
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Travis Nixon
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Brian Green
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Travis Nixon
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Sam Axon
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Travis Nixon
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Brian Green
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Kevin Littlejohn
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Lee Sheldon
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Angela Ferraiolo
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Lee Sheldon
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Erik Jarvi
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Lee Sheldon
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Nathan F Yospe
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Lee Sheldon
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Erik Jarvi
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Nathan F Yospe
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- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Batir
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Raph Koster
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Brandon J. Rickman
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Kristen L. Koster
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Batir
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Raph Koster
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Charles Hughes
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Erik Jarvi
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Brandon J. Rickman
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Matthew Mihaly
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Lee Sheldon
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Brandon J. Rickman
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Matthew Mihaly
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Joe Andrieu
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Rawlings@aol.com
- A footnote to Procedural Storytelling Brandon J. Rickman