October 2000
- Interactive Fiction Competition 2000 Aaron Mitchell
- trade skill idea msew
- trade skill idea Josh Olson
- trade skill idea Koster, Raph
- trade skill idea Josh Olson
- trade skill idea Koster, Raph
- trade skill idea Matthew Mihaly
- trade skill idea Koster, Raph
- trade skill idea Josh Olson
- trade skill idea Koster, Raph
- trade skill idea Matthew Mihaly
- trade skill idea msew
- trade skill idea Travis Casey
- trade skill idea Josh Olson
- trade skill idea Zak Jarvis
- trade skill idea John Buehler
- trade skill idea Dave Rickey
- trade skill idea Zak Jarvis
- trade skill idea Josh Olson
- trade skill idea Mordengaard
- trade skill idea Richard Tew
- trade skill idea Val Trullinger
- trade skill idea Phillip Lenhardt
- trade skill idea John Buehler
- trade skill idea Matthew Mihaly
- trade skill idea msew
- trade skill idea Wes Connell
- trade skill idea Matthew Mihaly
- trade skill idea Brad Wyble
- trade skill idea Vincent Archer
- trade skill idea Jeff Freeman
- trade skill idea Corey Crawford
- trade skill idea Yves K
- trade skill idea Koster, Raph
- trade skill idea Tamzen Cannoy
- trade skill idea Robert Zubek
- trade skill idea Patrick Dughi
- trade skill idea Koster, Raph
- trade skill idea Matthew Mihaly
- trade skill idea Brian 'Psychochild' Green
- trade skill idea msew
- trade skill idea Koster, Raph
- trade skill idea Matthew Mihaly
- trade skill idea Josh Olson
- trade skill idea Matthew Mihaly
- trade skill idea Koster, Raph
- trade skill idea msew
- trade skill idea Batir
- trade skill idea Arabis2000@aol.com
- Open Source 3D Interactive World Server Ian Macintosh
- Reactive keyboard J C Lawrence
- MUD-Dev digest, Vol 1 #243 - 14 msgs Dr. Cat
- Banning Players for Off-Site Activities? Ananda Dawnsinger
- Banning Players for Off-Site Activities? Madman Across the Water
- Banning Players for Off-Site Activities? sverre@munthe.net
- Banning Players for Off-Site Activities? Jeff Freeman
- Banning Players for Off-Site Activities? Matthew Mihaly
- Banning Players for Off-Site Activities? Marc Bowden
- Banning Players for Off-Site Activities? Ananda Dawnsinger
- Banning Players for Off-Site Activities? Zak Jarvis
- Banning Players for Off-Site Activities? Madman Across the Water
- Banning Players for Off-Site Activities? Vincent Archer
- Banning Players for Off-Site Activities? Dave Rickey
-----Original Message-----
From: Ananda Dawnsinger <ananda@winterreach.com>
To: mud-dev@kanga.nu <mud-dev@kanga.nu>
Date: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:00 PM
Subject: [MUD-Dev] Banning Players for Off-Site Activities?
>Phew! There's one heck of a stink brewing in the Everquest community after
>a player was banned for fan fiction posted to a non-affiliated (Vault
>Network) board:
>
[...snip the rest, I've read several hundred posts on this so far]
Once you sort the substance from the shrapnel, what you've got is this:
Mystere wrote a background story for his character. It was a dark,
disturbing, and graphic story involving the rape of a Teir'Dal child (his
character, some argument over whether "14 seasons" means fourteen years old,
since "seasons" is a common fanfic device for describing levels) and the
victim's revenge on the rapist. It was also written pretty well, as such
things go. A few months later, he writes another story featuring off-camera
torture. Both stories were posted on fansites in "RP fiction" forums.
Somebody got their knickers in a knot over it, and eventually manages to get
someone at Verant to read the stories.
Somehow, this wound up on the table at a meeting where such issues as
bannings are decided. I don't know who sits at that table these days, but
it used to be the senior CS people and the senior design staff. They didn't
like the story, and decided to ban Mystere's account over it. I happen to
know how you'd go about finding an account number with nothing but a
character name, and I have to say they took a chance on banning the wrong
person.
All hell breaks loose. Lum's site is known for its long threads with
lots of heat, but at this point over 500 posts have been made in 24 hours.
SOE presents the "Derivative Work" explanation. That just makes things
worse. Now it's spreading out, PlanetCrap has picked it up, FatBabies
probably won't be far behind, The Register picked it up from PlanetCrap.
Reaction is almost uniformly against SOE. More than a few have pointed out
the fact that "Dark Elves" themselves are derivative from AD&D, making the
IP justification look a little thin.
That brings us up to date. And at the root of all this is one simple
question: Whose world is it? SOE says the world of EQ, and everything in it
or associated with it, is theirs. Characters, fictional background, the
works, it all belongs to them and if you use *any* of it in ways they don't
like, they can drop the hammer on you both in and out of game. And they are
defining "ways we don't like" retroactively, you'll know you've crossed the
line when you can't log in or get a "cease and desist" letter.
The basic argument is used for IP defense all the time, but there's a
few little catches here:
1) The embedded fiction of the game can get pretty gruesome itself, saying
that Mystere's story "harms the value and image" of a game that has a
dismembered dwarf in a troll butcher shop is quite a stretch.
2) The stated purpose for EQ is a roleplaying environment, it has got
"Roleplaying" right there on the box. Mystere was roleplaying a dark elf
without the disneyfication.
And there's one more thing, that goes a little further than I think most
are going to be willing to go. We keep saying "The first amendment doesn't
apply to corporations." There's an exception to that statement, when a
corporation is filling a quasi-governmental role, then it is fully bound to
respect all civil liberties just as a government agency would be (the result
of Supreme Court decisions involving "Company Towns"). Whether it has legal
recognition or not, the relationship of a game operator to the community of
that game *is* effectively governmental in nature. Right now, it's a
feudalistic relationship, the company holds complete power over the
community. They have only those freedoms the company allows, and when it
comes to mucking around with the storyline in EQ, that isn't much.
--Dave Rickey - Banning Players for Off-Site Activities? Ananda Dawnsinger
- Mud / Web Integeration Lee Hulbert
- Mud / Web Integeration Wes Connell
- Mud / Web Integeration Bruce
- Mud / Web Integeration Bruce
- Mud / Web Integeration KevinL
- Mud / Web Integeration msew
- Mud / Web Integeration msew
- Mud / Web Integeration Richard Tew
- Mud / Web Integeration Nathan F. Yospe
- Declaration of the Rights of Avatars sverre@munthe.net
- Declaration of the Rights of Avatars Matthew Mihaly
- Declaration of the Rights of Avatars Justin Rogers
- Declaration of the Rights of Avatars Andy
- OT: Banning Players for Off-Site Activities? Brian 'Psychochild' Green
- OT: Banning Players for Off-Site Activities? Ananda Dawnsinger
- Grandmaster Nuclear Safety Technicion or Grandmaster Warrior ( was John Szeder
- Alternate Means of EQUAL Enjoyment (formerly trade skill idea) Geoffrey MacDougall
- Realistic travel times/virtual terrain Richard Tew
- Realistic travel times/virtual terrain Zak Jarvis
- Realistic travel times/virtual terrain Inq Admin
- Realistic travel times/virtual terrain Richard Tew
- Realistic travel times/virtual terrain Matthew Mihaly
- Realistic travel times/virtual terrain Koster, Raph
- Realistic travel times/virtual terrain Richard Tew
- Realistic travel times/virtual terrain Matthew Mihaly
- Realistic travel times/virtual terrain Richard Tew
- Realistic travel times/virtual terrain Inq Admin
- Realistic travel times/virtual terrain William McCarroll
- Realistic travel times/virtual terrain Matthew Mihaly
- Realistic travel times/virtual terrain Mordengaard
- Realistic travel times/virtual terrain Justin Rogers
- Realistic travel times/virtual terrain Matthew Mihaly
- Grandmaster Nuclear Safety Technicion or Grandmaster Willowreed@aol.com
- [world-create] Progressive Aristocracy (fwd) J C Lawrence
- [world-create] Progressive Aristocracy (fwd) Matthew Mihaly
- VRML Richard Tew
- Admin: System outage J C Lawrence
- absolute vs. relative coords KevinL
- absolute vs. relative coords Inq Admin
- absolute vs. relative coords Nathan F. Yospe
- ADMIN: More troubles I'm afraid, and the details of the recovery. J C Lawrence
- integrated character webpages ala Black and White creature pages msew
- integrated character webpages ala Black and White creature pages msew
- Admin: Kang.Nu troubles J C Lawrence
- Admin: Kanga.Nu troubles... J C Lawrence
- travel times (commercial/graphical vs grassroots/text) Fredfish {E. Harper}
- travel times (commercial/graphical vs grassroots/text) the_logos@www.achaea.com
- Admin: We're back in business J C Lawrence
- Triangular Damage Infliction System Ben
- Triangular Damage Infliction System Ben Chambers
- Triangular Damage Infliction System Travis Casey
- Fwd: absolute vs. relative coords Nathan F.Yospe
- Opinions (even harsh) on Castle Marrach by Skotos? Christopher Allen
- Opinions (even harsh) on Castle Marrach by Skotos? Chris Lloyd
- Opinions (even harsh) on Castle Marrach by Skotos? tanis@mediacom.it
- Opinions (even harsh) on Castle Marrach by Skotos? Christopher Allen
- Opinions (even harsh) on Castle Marrach by Skotos? Federico Di Gregorio
- Opinions (even harsh) on Castle Marrach by Skotos? Christopher Allen
- Opinions (even harsh) on Castle Marrach by Skotos? Frank Crowell
- Opinions (even harsh) on Castle Marrach by Skotos? Frank Crowell
- Opinions (even harsh) on Castle Marrach by Skotos? Christopher Allen