October 1998

• Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) ApplePiMan@aol.com
• • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Brandon J. Rickman
  • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Adam Wiggins
    • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) ApplePiMan@aol.com
      • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Adam Wiggins
        • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) ApplePiMan@aol.com
    • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) ApplePiMan@aol.com
    • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Peck, Matthew x96724c1
        • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) ApplePiMan@aol.com
        • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Peck, Matthew x96724c1
          • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) ApplePiMan@aol.com
            • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
          • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
          • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Hal Black
        • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room de scriptions) Koster, Raph
        • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Adam Wiggins
  • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Travis S. Casey
  • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Roomdescriptions) ApplePiMan@aol.com
• Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room de scriptions) Koster, Raph
• • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room de scriptions) James Wilson
• simulation vs. storytelling is a fallacious distinction James Wilson
• • simulation vs. storytelling is a fallacious distinction ApplePiMan@aol.com
  • • simulation vs. storytelling is a fallacious distinction James Wilson
    • • simulation vs. storytelling is a fallacious distinction ApplePiMan@aol.com
• [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? (non-violent conflict) The Wildman
• • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? (non-violent conflict) Richard Woolcock
  • • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? (non-violent conflict) The Wildman
  • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? (non-violent conflict) Marian Griffith
  • • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? (non-violent conflict) The Wildman
    • • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? (non-violent conflict) Robert Woods
      • • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? (non-violent conflict) Marc Hernandez
        • • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? (non-violent conflict) The Wildman
• Quest engines Koster, Raph
• • Quest engines ApplePiMan@aol.com
  • Quest engines Michael.Willey@abnamro.com
  • • Quest engines Hal Black
• [Off-Topic] Patents (Was Storytelling vs. Simulationist) ApplePiMan@aol.com
• Psychopaths Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • Psychopaths Koster, Raph
• Storytelling patents (Storytelling vs. Simulationist) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? Michael.Willey@abnamro.com
• • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? The Wildman
• [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? Michael.Willey@abnamro.com
• • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? The Wildman
  • • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? Michael.Willey@abnamro.com
    • • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? The Wildman
• Spoofing (Psychopaths) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • Spoofing (Psychopaths) Koster, Raph
  • • Spoofing (Psychopaths) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • Spoofing (Psychopaths) Richard Bartle
• Spoofing (Psychopaths) Richard Bartle
• • Spoofing (Psychopaths) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? Michael.Willey@abnamro.com
• • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? The Wildman
• Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP quzah [sotfhome]
• • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP Adam Wiggins
  • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP Chris Gray
  • • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP quzah [sotfhome]
  • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP Hal Black
  • • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP John Bertoglio
  • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP Petri Virkkula
  • • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP Niklas Elmqvist
  • • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP quzah [sotfhome]
    • • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP Marc Hernandez
    • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP quzah [sotfhome]
  • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP Chris Gray
  • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP quzah [sotfhome]
  • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP Dominic J. Eidson
• Current Projects Alex Stewart
• • Current Projects Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • • Current Projects Robert Woods
  • Current Projects James Wilson
  • Current Projects Peck, Matthew x96724c1
  • • Current Projects Robert Woods
  • Current Projects T. Alexander Popiel
  • Current Projects Travis S. Casey
  • Current Projects Joel Kelso
  • Current Projects The Arrow
  • Current Projects Ryan Prince
  • Current Projects Wilburn, E.J.
  • Current Projects Michael.Willey@abnamro.com
  • Current Projects David Bennett
  • Current Projects chris@realm.zfn.uni-bremen.de
  • Current Projects Andrew Wilson
  • Current Projects Holly Sommer
  • • Current Projects Scatter
    • • Current Projects Michael.Willey@abnamro.com
  • Current Projects Niklas Elmqvist
• Red Black Tree ? Valerio Santinelli
• • Red Black Tree ? T. Alexander Popiel
  • Red Black Tree ? Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • • Red Black Tree ? T. Alexander Popiel
    • • Red Black Tree ? Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      • • Red Black Tree ? Ben Greear
• MUVE vs. MUD [was Current Projects] Alex Stewart
• Laws of Online World Design Koster, Raph
• • Laws of Online World Design Jon A. Lambert
  • Laws of Online World Design Ling
  • • Laws of Online World Design Adam Wiggins
    • Laws of Online World Design Michael.Willey@abnamro.com
  • Laws of Online World Design J C Lawrence
  • • Laws of Online World Design ApplePiMan@aol.com
    • • Laws of Online World Design J C Lawrence
      • • Laws of Online World Design ApplePiMan@aol.com
        • • Laws of Online World Design manta@pobox.com
          • Laws of Online World Design J C Lawrence
          • • Laws of Online World Design James Wilson
            • • Laws of Online World Design J C Lawrence
            • Laws of Online World Design ApplePiMan@aol.com
            • • Laws of Online World Design J C Lawrence
                On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:52:03 EDT
                ApplePiMan <ApplePiMan@aol.com> wrote:
                
                > At 10/16/98 3:05 PM J C Lawrence (claw@under.engr.sgi.com) altered
                > the fabric of reality by uttering:
                
                >> ApplePiMan <ApplePiMan@aol.com> wrote:
                >>> At 10/15/98 5:43 PM J C Lawrence (claw@under.engr.sgi.com)
                >>> altered the fabric of reality by uttering:
                >>>> ApplePiMan <ApplePiMan@aol.com> wrote:
                
                >> No, you're missing the point. The idea is not that everyone will
                >> use those reality editing features, just that they *can*, and
                >> that a small percentage *will*. You don't need very many
                >> Edison's per capita of general population. You do need at least
                >> one however.
                
                > If you have even *one* Edison out of the entire population, much
                > less one per capita, you're arguably already statistically well
                > beyond what you'd encounter in RL.
                
                True. you actually don't need any Edisons -- merely a few hackers.
                
                > But what I'm interested in is not a rehash of LamdaMOO (as good as
                > it might be, it's already been done), but rather in a methodology
                > that would allow anyone interested in becoming an Edison to do so,
                > at least at some minor level, without having to learn a new
                > language.
                
                I'm technocratic enough to not be sure if I want that. Any such
                game is going to have power structures. I can fail to define or
                suggest any and have the players assemble some ad hoc, or I can
                provide a simple model structure of techno-worship as a sample and
                then let them build whatever they want, with the most likely forms
                being reflections of my techno-model.
                
                Given the reputedly bad social skills of technologists and the fact
                that all such power structures rest on social skills, the dichotomy
                is kinda cute.
                
                > "All" I'm advocating is tearing down the entry barriers and
                > flattening out the learning curve, so Bubba doesn't feel too
                > intimidated to "give it a go" if he doesn't have the RL mentality
                > of an Edison or an Einstein.
                
                He was a very great artist at the business of designing
                aeroplanes, and like all great designers in the aircraft
                industry he was a perfect swine to deal with.
                
                There is, of course, a good deal of explanation in the
                psychology for this universal characteristic of the
                greatest aeroplane designers. A beautiful aircraft is
                the expression of the genius of a great engineer who is
                also a great artist. It is impossible for that man to
                carry out the whole of the design himself; he works
                through a design office staffed by a hundred
                draugthsman or more. A hundred minds, each with
                their own less competent ideas, are striving to modify
                the chief designer's original conception. If the design
                is to appear in the end as a great artistic unity, the
                chief designer must be a man of immensely powerful
                will, capable of imposing his idea and way of doing
                things on each of his hundred draughtsman, so that
                each one is too terrified to insert any of his own ideas.
                If the chief designer has not got this personality and
                strength of will, his original conception will be
                distorted in the design office and will appear as just
                another, not-so-good aeroplane. He will not then be
                ranked as a good chief designer.
                
                All really first class designers, for this reason, are both
                artists, engineers, and men of a powerful and
                intolerant temper, quick to resist the least
                modification of the plans, energetic in fighting the
                least infringement upon what they regard as their own
                sphere of action. If they were not so, they could not
                produce good aeroplanes.
                
                -- Nevil Shute
                
                The question is not the presence of barriers to entry, the question
                is what the barriers to entry impede. If Bubba can wander into the
                game, kill mosters, kill players, politik a bit, gid ditch about his
                hut, turn his hut into a castle etc etc etc etc yada yada without
                undue technocratic requirements we're doing pretty well. Now if
                Bubba wants to create a new magic system, craft new spells, create a
                new communication mednium, program up a new sort of Frankenstein
                with better features, then I find it quite acceptable for there to
                be technological barriers to entry for those specific non-game
                required activities.
                
                I'm not into the, "Let there be light! And there was light..."
                business. Creation is work. Work is occassionally hard. That
                seems about right to me.
                
                Now this is not to say that there won't be various light weight and
                simple scripting tools and even pseudo languages (I've got a design
                for something on the order of LOGO v1 sketched out) that
                non-technological players can't dip into -- but those merely provide
                a staggered sets of barriers to entry to a scale of different and
                progressively more complex goals.
                
                > It may be that all Bubba is *capable* of inventing is the in-game
                > equivalent of the whoopie cushion, but so what? He'll have fun
                > inventing it, and it will be "his" invention.
                
                Quite. Yet there is a complexity involved in achieving that much
                creation, and thus an accomplishment. Similarly there is a
                different order of difficulty in creating a full homunculus, and
                thus a different barrier to entry for that level of creation.
                
                > Yet if he has to learn an arcane scripting language to invent it,
                > odds are he'll turn his energies to less-productive (game wise)
                > enterprises.
                
                A society needs predators. Taking Marian's Tailor problem in its
                simplest essence: The ability of one character to enforce their will
                on another character despite their resistance or protest; I don't
                consider that inherently a problem. The core of the problem is one
                of scale: Not that the tailor gets killed, or their shop/goods
                stolen/destroyed, but how often it occurs.
                
                Yes, I would like a game world that supports tailors. Yes, I would
                also like a game world that supports Vlad the Impaler. I also know
                which I would sacrifice first should the need arise.
                
                > Just how broad *is* LambdaMOO's market?
                
                Extremely narrow in the field of games, tiny in 'net terms, large in
                current MUD terms, massive in the universe of social MUDs. Its most
                pressing problem is that it (RL physical universe) doesn't scale due
                to server design limitations.
                
                > Without waiting to hear an answer, it's still a niche.
                
                Yup.
                
                > Maybe a niche market is the best *any* mud will ever do...
                
                One of my goals is to accomplish something of the character and
                social quality of the Walled City in Gibson's Idoru. I don't care
                about how he describes it, or the various gimicks and toys, but the
                structure, social involvement, and sense of a practical universe
                operating on different assumptions are glorious.
                
                > ...(contrary to comments I've seen here, even UO is not really
                > "mass market", where MacDonald's and Coca Cola play), but it's
                > *certainly* the best we'll do as long as we build in barriers to
                > keep out Joe Blow.
                
                One of the egalitarian sociologist laments is that western society
                (particularly under the influence of the 'net) is turning toward an
                intellectually stratified society, where the less-bright are damned
                to increasingly futile and marginalised lives by the comparitively
                incomprehensible activities and technocratic rule of the more-bright
                and (potentially) the more bright are able to ensure that their
                offspring are also more-bright thru nutritiion, genetic engineering,
                etc etc etc, further stratifying society into the new have's and
                have-not's and almost inextricably dooming the less bright to
                squalid disconnected miserable lives.
                
                Distopia re-invented.
                
                > And let me hasten to add there's nothing wrong with shooting for a
                > niche market (even a tiny niche can be *very* profitable,
                > actually, given the right circumstances); but unless you define
                > your market and plan accordingly, you'll just be "shooting in the
                > dark" and very lucky to find a market segment.
                
                Yeah. Then again that doesn't govern my goals.
                
                > My question then boils down to, must such a system where players
                > build the world itself by definition aim for the programmer niche,
                > or can it be broadened to appeal to a wider niche, or possibly
                > even mass market?
                
                Stratification allows multiple markets to be satisfied by makeing
                the aspects that tend to each ignorable by the others.
                
                > Check out Geoffrey Moore's _Crossing the Chasm_ (I can track down
                > the ISBN if you like). The problem is that's there is a "great
                > gulf fixed" between the early adopters and Main Street (the market
                > segment where the product hits pay dirt). The early adopters
                > aren't your problem: you'll indeed be able to find hackers to get
                > the ball rolling (they'll seek *you* out, even). The problem is
                > the paradigm shift it will take to keep the ball rolling once it
                > starts. According to Moore, it's *not* a given that later adopters
                > will come along to leverage what was done by the early adopters,
                > even though human nature is to assume it is given (assuming the
                > early adopters like what they see). A product can have tons of
                > early adopters who dearly love it, but still bomb without a plan
                > to bring in "fresh blood."
                
                True.
                
                >> Players will complain. This is a given. The world with
                >> complaint free players is farcical utopia that logically can't
                >> exist. If you have a player complaining about something that
                >> means that there is something they like and value there which
                >> they would like to appreciate and value even more. Translation:
                >> They've taken the bait and swallowed the hook. Your only
                >> question is wether you need to set the hook or not.
                
                > Seems like an awfully long block to travel around only to end up
                > where we started with players complaining the world wasn't "done
                > right," if that were the only reason to implement this. =)
                
                Nahh. Then again I don't think happy players are a valuable or even
                necessary final product of a game. Involvement and entertainment
                neither necessarily require happiness. I fually expect a lot of the
                "joy" to come in restrospect for the early years.
                
                > The point I'm getting at is that I don't think a large portion of
                > the virtual world's population would be *capable* of "step[ping]
                > up and 'do[ing] it right' any time they wish".
                
                Certainly not. That's entirely the idea. I wouldn't want the
                majority in that position.
                
                > You're setting up an elite
                > ruling class and giving them special powers.
                
                Absolutely. Further, I'm deliberately crippling them to boot.
                
                > Not that there's anything inherently wrong with that (a classless
                > world is as impossible and boring as Utopia), but I don't think we
                > should pretend it's anything other than that. The "haves" (the
                > intelligentsia) can create, and the "have-nots" (the rest of the
                > population) cannot. If the "have-nots" get fed up, they'll just go
                > somewhere else, where someone has given thought to allowing
                > *everyone* to create (if such a place exists).
                
                Quite.
                
                --
                J C Lawrence Internet: claw@null.net
                (Contractor) Internet: coder@ibm.net
                ---------(*) Internet: claw@under.engr.sgi.com
                ...Honourary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith...
              • • Laws of Online World Design ApplePiMan@aol.com
  • Laws of Online World Design Koster, Raph
  • • Laws of Online World Design Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • Laws of Online World Design Koster, Raph
      • • Laws of Online World Design J C Lawrence
        • Laws of Online World Design Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • Laws of Online World Design Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • Laws of Online World Design J C Lawrence
  • Laws of Online World Design Darrin Hyrup
  • • Laws of Online World Design Koster, Raph
    • • Laws of Online World Design Darrin Hyrup
    • Laws of Online World Design J C Lawrence
  • Laws of Online World Design Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
  • • Laws of Online World Design Koster, Raph
  • Laws of Online World Design Richard Bartle
  • Laws of Online World Design Richard Bartle
  • • Laws of Online World Design Vadim Tkachenko
• MUVE vs. MUD [was Current Projects] Richard Bartle
• META: Review of FAQ's Bio Section Ling
• • META: Review of FAQ's Bio Section Chris Gray
  • • META: Review of FAQ's Bio Section Benjamin D. Wiechel
    • • META: Review of FAQ's Bio Section Ling
      • • META: Review of FAQ's Bio Section J C Lawrence
  • META: Review of FAQ's Bio Section Adam Wiggins
  • META: Review of FAQ's Bio Section Michael.Willey@abnamro.com
• Advance book review Koster, Raph
• (CDMag) Sosaria Cracked: Why OSI's great social experiment is doomed J C Lawrence
• Ethics & Identity Scatter
• DNS adventure J C Lawrence
• • DNS adventure Chris Gray
  • • DNS adventure Caliban Tiresias Darklock
    • DNS adventure Adam J. Thornton
  • DNS adventure Vadim Tkachenko
  • • DNS adventure J C Lawrence
• Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) mark@erdos.Stanford.EDU
• • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) J C Lawrence
  • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) Hal Black
  • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Koster, Raph
  • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) Jon Leonard
  • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) J C Lawrence
    • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) Adam J. Thornton
      • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) Marc Hernandez
        • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Wilburn, E.J.
          • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Jon Leonard
            • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Vadim Tkachenko
              • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Steve Sparks
                • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) Jon Leonard
                  • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) Steve Sparks
                    • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) Jon Leonard
                      • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) Steve Sparks
            • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Vadim Tkachenko
            • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Steve Sparks
              • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Vadim Tkachenko
                • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Steve Sparks
• A Query Regarding Economies in a Text Environment Brandon A Downey
• • A Query Regarding Economies in a Text Environment J C Lawrence
  • • A Query Regarding Economies in a Text Environme nt Koster, Raph
• Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) Chris Gray
• • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) J C Lawrence
  • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) Jon Leonard
    • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Wilburn, E.J.
      • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) J C Lawrence
• [Tech] socket slowdown solved Chris Gray
• • [Tech] socket slowdown solved J C Lawrence
• ADMIN: unsubscriptions J C Lawrence
• Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) Chris Gray
• Network float format (RFC 1014) J C Lawrence
• Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals J C Lawrence
• • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Koster, Raph
  • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Jon Leonard
  • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals J C Lawrence
    • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Jon Leonard
      • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Elis Pomales
        • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Darrin Hyrup
          • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
            • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Darrin Hyrup
              • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Niklas Elmqvist
                • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals J C Lawrence
            • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Wilburn, E.J.
            • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals J C Lawrence
  • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Chris Gray
  • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Jon Leonard
    • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Jon A. Lambert
      • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Jon Leonard
        • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Niklas Elmqvist
          • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Jon Leonard
            • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Jon A. Lambert
            • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Joel Kelso
            • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Marc Hernandez
              • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
                • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Adam J. Thornton
                • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals J C Lawrence
              • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Jon A. Lambert
          • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Jon A. Lambert
          • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Marc Hernandez
            • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Jon A. Lambert
  • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Chris Gray
  • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals J C Lawrence
    • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Jon Leonard
      • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals J C Lawrence
        • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Jon Leonard
          • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals ApplePiMan@aol.com
    • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals J C Lawrence
  • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Chris Gray
  • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Jon Leonard
  • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Chris Gray
  • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Jon A. Lambert
  • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Chris Gray
  • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Chris Gray
  • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Jon A. Lambert
  • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Chris Gray
  • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Chris Gray
  • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
    • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Adam J. Thornton
  • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Chris Gray
  • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Jon A. Lambert
  • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Chris Gray
  • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Chris Gray
  • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Chris Gray
• OT: TTYQuake Niklas Elmqvist
• • OT: TTYQuake Adam Wiggins
  • • OT: TTYQuake Adam J. Thornton
• Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Matthew R. Sheahan
• • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Vadim Tkachenko
  • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World J C Lawrence
• FW: Book? Koster, Raph
• GameStorm Matthew R. Sheahan
• • GameStorm J C Lawrence
• Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Jon A. Lambert
• Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Koster, Raph
• • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) quzah [sotfhome]
  • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Steve Sparks
    • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Koster, Raph
  • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Vadim Tkachenko
  • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Koster, Raph
    • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) J C Lawrence
• Lengthy Palace study Koster, Raph
• Hacks/Diablo/etc (was: Trusting the quzah [sotfhome]
• PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Niklas Elmqvist
• • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Darrin Hyrup
  • • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Adam J. Thornton
    • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Hal Black
    • • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) J C Lawrence
  • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) ApplePiMan@aol.com
  • • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Niklas Elmqvist
• Recursive look Ling
• • Recursive look Holly Sommer
  • • Recursive look David Bennett
    • • Recursive look J C Lawrence
      • • Recursive look Marc Hernandez
        • • Recursive look Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
        • Recursive look Michael.Willey@abnamro.com
    • Recursive look The Wildman
  • Recursive look Adam Wiggins
  • • Recursive look Koster, Raph
    • Recursive look Ling
    • • Recursive look Adam Wiggins
      • Recursive look Marian Griffith
      • • Recursive look Brandon J. Rickman
        • • Recursive look Marian Griffith
          • • Recursive look Brandon J. Rickman
            • • Recursive look Marian Griffith
              • • Recursive look Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • • Recursive look Nathan F Yospe
                  • • Recursive look Darrin Hyrup
                    • • Recursive look Ola Fosheim Grøstad
                • Recursive look Jon A. Lambert
  • Recursive look Matthew R. Sheahan
  • • Recursive look Nathan F Yospe
  • Recursive look Michael.Willey@abnamro.com
  • Recursive look Chris Gray
  • Recursive look Chris Gray
• evil - good realism Vladimir Prelovac
• • evil - good realism S. Patrick Gallaty
  • evil - good realism Adam Wiggins
  • evil - good realism Wilburn, E.J.
  • • evil - good realism quzah [sotfhome]
    • • evil - good realism Jon A. Lambert
      • • evil - good realism quzah [sotfhome]
    • evil - good realism Orion Henry
    • • evil - good realism Vadim Tkachenko
  • evil - good realism J C Lawrence
  • evil - good realism Chris Gray
  • evil - good realism Brandon A Downey
  • • evil - good realism quzah [sotfhome]
    • evil - good realism Vladimir Prelovac
  • evil - good realism Vadim Tkachenko
• PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Chris Gray
• • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Niklas Elmqvist
• PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Chris Gray
• • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Hal Black
  • • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Felix A. Croes
    • • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Darrin Hyrup
      • • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) J C Lawrence
        • • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Darrin Hyrup
          • • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Jon Leonard
• PDMud thread summary Jon Leonard
• • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • PDMud thread summary Darrin Hyrup
  • • PDMud thread summary J C Lawrence
    • • PDMud thread summary Hal Black
      • • PDMud thread summary Vadim Tkachenko
      • PDMud thread summary Darrin Hyrup
      • • PDMud thread summary J C Lawrence
  • PDMud thread summary Niklas Elmqvist
  • • PDMud thread summary Darrin Hyrup
    • • PDMud thread summary Niklas Elmqvist
    • PDMud thread summary Adam J. Thornton
    • PDMud thread summary Jon A. Lambert
    • • PDMud thread summary Jon A. Lambert
    • PDMud thread summary ApplePiMan@aol.com
    • • PDMud thread summary Niklas Elmqvist
  • PDMud thread summary J C Lawrence
  • PDMud thread summary ApplePiMan@aol.com
  • • PDMud thread summary Jo Dillon
  • PDMud thread summary The Arrow
  • • PDMud thread summary Niklas Elmqvist
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • • PDMud thread summary ApplePiMan@aol.com
    • • PDMud thread summary Darrin Hyrup
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • • PDMud thread summary Jon Leonard
    • PDMud thread summary ApplePiMan@aol.com
  • PDMud thread summary Steve Sparks
  • • PDMud thread summary Jo Dillon
    • • PDMud thread summary Adam J. Thornton
      • • PDMud thread summary Jon Leonard
        • • PDMud thread summary Jo Dillon
          • • PDMud thread summary Jon Leonard
            • PDMud thread summary Vadim Tkachenko
            • • PDMud thread summary Jo Dillon
              • PDMud thread summary Niklas Elmqvist
              • • PDMud thread summary Vadim Tkachenko
          • PDMud thread summary Darrin Hyrup
        • PDMud thread summary Niklas Elmqvist
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • • PDMud thread summary Jon A. Lambert
    • • PDMud thread summary Adam J. Thornton
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • • PDMud thread summary James Wilson
    • • PDMud thread summary ApplePiMan@aol.com
      • • PDMud thread summary James Wilson
        • • PDMud thread summary ApplePiMan@aol.com
    • PDMud thread summary ApplePiMan@aol.com
    • • PDMud thread summary Adam J. Thornton
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • • PDMud thread summary Niklas Elmqvist
    • • PDMud thread summary James Wilson
      • • PDMud thread summary Niklas Elmqvist
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • • PDMud thread summary Niklas Elmqvist
    • • PDMud thread summary Jon A. Lambert
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • • PDMud thread summary Alex Oren
    • PDMud thread summary Alex Oren
    • • PDMud thread summary Jon A. Lambert
      • • PDMud thread summary Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
        • • PDMud thread summary Jon A. Lambert
  • PDMud thread summary Jon A. Lambert
  • PDMud thread summary Holly Sommer
  • • PDMud thread summary Jo Dillon
    • • PDMud thread summary Adam J. Thornton
      • • PDMud thread summary Jo Dillon
      • PDMud thread summary Adam Wiggins
      • • PDMud thread summary Jo Dillon
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • • PDMud thread summary Alex Oren
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • • PDMud thread summary Alex Oren
• ADMIN: Unsubscriptions J C Lawrence
• DevMUD Event Language Hal Black
• • DevMUD Event Language Jon Leonard
  • • DevMUD Event Language J C Lawrence
    • • DevMUD Event Language James Wilson
      • • DevMUD Event Language J C Lawrence
  • DevMUD Event Language Chris Gray
• PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Chris Gray
• • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) J C Lawrence
  • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Niklas Elmqvist
  • • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) James Wilson
    • • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Jo Dillon
    • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Jon Leonard
    • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) ApplePiMan@aol.com
• PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Chris Gray
• PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Chris Gray
• PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Chris Gray
• • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Niklas Elmqvist
• Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source released (sorta) J C Lawrence
• • Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source released (sorta) Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
  • Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source released (sorta ) Koster, Raph
  • • Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source released (sorta ) Marc Hernandez
  • Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source released (sorta) Adam J. Thornton
  • • Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source released (sorta) Adam Wiggins
    • • Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source released (sorta) J C Lawrence
    • Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source released (sorta) J C Lawrence
    • • Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source released (sorta) Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
• Game Developers Conference Koster, Raph
• Crack.Com deceased Marc Hernandez
• OT, kinda, but yay :) Koster, Raph
• • OT, kinda, but yay :) Jon Leonard
  • • OT, kinda, but yay :) Nathan F Yospe
    • • OT, kinda, but yay :) Jon Leonard
    • OT, kinda, but yay :) Koster, Raph
  • OT, kinda, but yay :) Steve Sparks
  • OT, kinda, but yay :) Adam Wiggins
  • OT, kinda, but yay :) Chris Gray
  • • OT, kinda, but yay :) Jo Dillon
    • OT, kinda, but yay :) Adam Wiggins
    • • OT, kinda, but yay :) Jo Dillon
  • OT, kinda, but yay :) Jo Dillon
• PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Petri Virkkula
• Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source released , (sorta) Holly Sommer
• OT: slashdot Adam Wiggins
• • OT: slashdot J C Lawrence
  • • OT: slashdot J C Lawrence
• Language support Koster, Raph
• PDMud, Gamora and Casbah Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
• • PDMud, Gamora and Casbah Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • PDMud, Gamora and Casbah Niklas Elmqvist
  • • PDMud, Gamora and Casbah Jon Leonard
    • • PDMud, Gamora and Casbah Darrin Hyrup
      • PDMud, Gamora and Casbah Niklas Elmqvist
      • • PDMud, Gamora and Casbah Adam J. Thornton
    • PDMud, Gamora and Casbah ApplePiMan@aol.com
  • PDMud, Gamora and Casbah Chris Gray
  • • PDMud, Gamora and Casbah Darrin Hyrup
    • PDMud, Gamora and Casbah Niklas Elmqvist
• UO: Second Age Koster, Raph
• PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Chris Gray
• PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Chris Gray
• • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
• Golgotha as it applies to PDMud (was Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source , released (sorta)) Niklas Elmqvist
• OpenMUD: bus-based communications James Wilson
• • OpenMUD: bus-based communications Chris Gray
  • • OpenMUD: bus-based communications Niklas Elmqvist
  • OpenMUD: bus-based communications Niklas Elmqvist
  • OpenMUD: bus-based communications ApplePiMan@aol.com
• I wanna do it OO James Wilson
• • I wanna do it OO Chris Gray
• DevMUD - thoughts.1 Chris Gray
• • DevMUD - thoughts.1 James Wilson
  • DevMUD - thoughts.1 Chris Gray
  • DevMUD - thoughts.1 Chris Gray
  • • DevMUD - thoughts.1 James Wilson
  • DevMUD - thoughts.1 Niklas Elmqvist
  • DevMUD - thoughts.1 Chris Gray
• CVS and LXR bruce@portland.puremagic.com
• openmud or pdmud or devmud James Wilson
• • openmud or pdmud or devmud Chris Gray
  • openmud or pdmud or devmud Darrin Hyrup
  • • openmud or pdmud or devmud Hal Black
  • openmud or pdmud or devmud Jon Leonard
  • • openmud or pdmud or devmud Adam J. Thornton
    • • openmud or pdmud or devmud Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
      • • openmud or pdmud or devmud Adam J. Thornton
• openmud: open issues James Wilson
• • openmud: open issues Vadim Tkachenko
  • • openmud: open issues James Wilson
    • • openmud: open issues Vadim Tkachenko
• MUD verb handling (Was: DevMUD - thoughts.1) Chris Gray
• • MUD verb handling (Was: DevMUD - thoughts.1) Adam J. Thornton
• MUD verb handling (Was: DevMUD - thoughts.1) The Arrow
• • MUD verb handling (Was: DevMUD - thoughts.1) Jon Leonard
  • • MUD verb handling (Was: DevMUD - thoughts.1) Niklas Elmqvist
• Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
• • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Jon A. Lambert
  • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Niklas Elmqvist
  • • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Darrin Hyrup
    • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
  • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
    • • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Chris Gray
  • • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
    • • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Chris Gray
• DevMUD module configuration Jon Leonard
• • DevMUD module configuration James Wilson
  • • DevMUD module configuration Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
    • • DevMUD module configuration J C Lawrence
  • DevMUD module configuration Chris Gray
  • DevMUD module configuration Niklas Elmqvist
  • DevMUD module configuration Vadim Tkachenko
• Inheritance model (was PDMud thread summary) Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
• • Inheritance model (was PDMud thread summary) Cynbe ru Taren
• Why did it take years? Cynbe ru Taren
• • Why did it take years? Adam Wiggins
  • • Why did it take years? James Wilson
    • • Why did it take years? Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
    • Why did it take years? Niklas Elmqvist
    • • Why did it take years? Holly Sommer
      • Why did it take years? J C Lawrence
    • Why did it take years? Jo Dillon
• Why did it take years? Cynbe ru Taren
• • Why did it take years? J C Lawrence
  • • Why did it take years? Adam Wiggins
• Why did it take years? Chris Gray
• Why did it take years? Erik Ostrom
• Gamora: Lessons learned? (fwd) Niklas Elmqvist
• Gamora: Lessons learned? (fwd) Niklas Elmqvist
• resource management (was: Missing the point) Felix A. Croes
• DevMUD: Inheritable modules The Arrow
• • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jon Leonard
  • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules The Arrow
    • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jon Leonard
      • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules James Wilson
        • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jon Leonard
          • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules James Wilson
            • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jo Dillon
              • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules James Wilson
        • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Niklas Elmqvist
        • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jon Leonard
          • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Niklas Elmqvist
            • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jo Dillon
            • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Robert Brady
              • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules J C Lawrence
          • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Darrin Hyrup
        • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jo Dillon
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Chris Gray
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Adam J. Thornton
  • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules James Wilson
    • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jon A. Lambert
      • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules James Wilson
        • DevMUD: Inheritable modules James Wilson
    • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jon A. Lambert
    • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Cynbe ru Taren
      • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jon A. Lambert
    • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jo Dillon
    • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Vadim Tkachenko
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Chris Gray
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Chris Gray
  • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules James Wilson
    • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Adam J. Thornton
    • DevMUD: Inheritable modules James Wilson
    • DevMUD: Inheritable modules The Arrow
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules The Arrow
  • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Thandor
    • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules The Arrow
      • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Thandor
        • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jon A. Lambert
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Chris Gray
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Chris Gray
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Chris Gray
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Chris Gray
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Chris Gray
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Chris Gray
  • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules James Wilson
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules J C Lawrence
• [DevMUD] driver implementation language Hal Black
• META/ADMIN: CVS for DevMUD security J C Lawrence
• • META/ADMIN: CVS for DevMUD security Jon Leonard
  • • META/ADMIN: CVS for DevMUD security James Wilson
• DevMUD Objectives? Thandor
• • DevMUD Objectives? Koster, Raph
  • • DevMUD Objectives? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • DevMUD Objectives? Petri Virkkula
  • • DevMUD Objectives? Thandor
  • DevMUD Objectives? Niklas Elmqvist
  • • DevMUD Objectives? Thandor
    • • DevMUD Objectives? Darrin Hyrup
      • DevMUD Objectives? Travis Casey
  • DevMUD Objectives? Chris Gray
  • DevMUD Objectives? Chris Gray
  • DevMUD Objectives? Hal Black
  • • DevMUD Objectives? Thandor
• Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Chris Gray
  • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Chris Gray
  • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Thandor
    • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) James Wilson
      • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Adam J. Thornton
  • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Vadim Tkachenko
  • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Vadim Tkachenko
      • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Thandor
        • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) James Wilson
    • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Jon A. Lambert
  • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Thandor
  • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Jon A. Lambert
  • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Vadim Tkachenko
      • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Jon A. Lambert
      • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Vadim Tkachenko
        • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Jon A. Lambert
          • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Vadim Tkachenko
            • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Vadim Tkachenko
        • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Vadim Tkachenko
        • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) J C Lawrence
• MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Greg Munt
• • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Cynbe ru Taren
  • • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Chris Gray
  • • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution ApplePiMan@aol.com
    • • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Jon A. Lambert
  • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Chris Gray
  • • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Cynbe ru Taren
      • • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Adam J. Thornton
      • • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution James Wilson
  • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Niklas Elmqvist
  • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution The Arrow
  • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Thandor
• DevMUD: Module message passing The Arrow
• • DevMUD: Module message passing Vadim Tkachenko
• Why mudules and some other questions. Ben Greear
• • Why mudules and some other questions. Vadim Tkachenko
• Reminiscing Jon A. Lambert