October 1998

• Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) ApplePiMan@aol.com
• • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Brandon J. Rickman
  • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Adam Wiggins
    • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) ApplePiMan@aol.com
      • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Adam Wiggins
        • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) ApplePiMan@aol.com
    • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) ApplePiMan@aol.com
    • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Peck, Matthew x96724c1
        • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) ApplePiMan@aol.com
        • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Peck, Matthew x96724c1
          • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) ApplePiMan@aol.com
            • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
          • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
          • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Hal Black
        • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room de scriptions) Koster, Raph
        • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Adam Wiggins
  • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room descriptions) Travis S. Casey
  • • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Roomdescriptions) ApplePiMan@aol.com
• Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room de scriptions) Koster, Raph
• • Storytelling vs. Simulationist (Was Room de scriptions) James Wilson
• simulation vs. storytelling is a fallacious distinction James Wilson
• • simulation vs. storytelling is a fallacious distinction ApplePiMan@aol.com
  • • simulation vs. storytelling is a fallacious distinction James Wilson
    • • simulation vs. storytelling is a fallacious distinction ApplePiMan@aol.com
• [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? (non-violent conflict) The Wildman
• • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? (non-violent conflict) Richard Woolcock
  • • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? (non-violent conflict) The Wildman
  • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? (non-violent conflict) Marian Griffith
  • • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? (non-violent conflict) The Wildman
    • • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? (non-violent conflict) Robert Woods
      • • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? (non-violent conflict) Marc Hernandez
        • • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? (non-violent conflict) The Wildman
• Quest engines Koster, Raph
• • Quest engines ApplePiMan@aol.com
  • Quest engines Michael.Willey@abnamro.com
  • • Quest engines Hal Black
• [Off-Topic] Patents (Was Storytelling vs. Simulationist) ApplePiMan@aol.com
• Psychopaths Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • Psychopaths Koster, Raph
• Storytelling patents (Storytelling vs. Simulationist) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? Michael.Willey@abnamro.com
• • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? The Wildman
• [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? Michael.Willey@abnamro.com
• • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? The Wildman
  • • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? Michael.Willey@abnamro.com
    • • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? The Wildman
• Spoofing (Psychopaths) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • Spoofing (Psychopaths) Koster, Raph
  • • Spoofing (Psychopaths) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • Spoofing (Psychopaths) Richard Bartle
• Spoofing (Psychopaths) Richard Bartle
• • Spoofing (Psychopaths) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? Michael.Willey@abnamro.com
• • [DESIGN] To kill or not to kill? The Wildman
• Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP quzah [sotfhome]
• • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP Adam Wiggins
  • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP Chris Gray
  • • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP quzah [sotfhome]
  • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP Hal Black
  • • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP John Bertoglio
  • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP Petri Virkkula
  • • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP Niklas Elmqvist
  • • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP quzah [sotfhome]
    • • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP Marc Hernandez
    • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP quzah [sotfhome]
  • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP Chris Gray
  • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP quzah [sotfhome]
  • Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP Dominic J. Eidson
• Current Projects Alex Stewart
• • Current Projects Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • • Current Projects Robert Woods
  • Current Projects James Wilson
  • Current Projects Peck, Matthew x96724c1
  • • Current Projects Robert Woods
  • Current Projects T. Alexander Popiel
  • Current Projects Travis S. Casey
  • Current Projects Joel Kelso
  • Current Projects The Arrow
  • Current Projects Ryan Prince
  • Current Projects Wilburn, E.J.
  • Current Projects Michael.Willey@abnamro.com
  • Current Projects David Bennett
  • Current Projects chris@realm.zfn.uni-bremen.de
  • Current Projects Andrew Wilson
  • Current Projects Holly Sommer
  • • Current Projects Scatter
    • • Current Projects Michael.Willey@abnamro.com
  • Current Projects Niklas Elmqvist
• Red Black Tree ? Valerio Santinelli
• • Red Black Tree ? T. Alexander Popiel
  • Red Black Tree ? Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • • Red Black Tree ? T. Alexander Popiel
    • • Red Black Tree ? Caliban Tiresias Darklock
      • • Red Black Tree ? Ben Greear
• MUVE vs. MUD [was Current Projects] Alex Stewart
• Laws of Online World Design Koster, Raph
• • Laws of Online World Design Jon A. Lambert
  • Laws of Online World Design Ling
  • • Laws of Online World Design Adam Wiggins
    • Laws of Online World Design Michael.Willey@abnamro.com
  • Laws of Online World Design J C Lawrence
  • • Laws of Online World Design ApplePiMan@aol.com
    • • Laws of Online World Design J C Lawrence
        On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:04:43 EDT
        ApplePiMan <ApplePiMan@aol.com> wrote:
        
        > At 10/13/98 4:44 AM mud-dev@kanga.nu (claw@under.engr.sgi.com)
        > altered the fabric of reality by uttering:
        
        >> A just-good-enough expressive environment implicitly rewards and
        >> encourages player-creation. The current system is good enough to
        >> be tolerated, bad enough that the temptation to add or "fix" is
        >> strong, and __expressive__ enough to allow the basic medium of
        >> multi-player games (communication) to become a function of the
        >> expression rather than the parent of the expression (ie you use
        >> the expressive features of the environment to process
        >> communication rather than using communication to enact the
        >> expressive features).
        >>
        >> Have I lost anybody yet?
        
        > Mmm... I hate to say this, but yes. Try as I might that last
        > sentence just doesn't parse. =/
        
        Players have two basic forms of expression in a MUD (or any other
        world). They can use the objects and features of the world to
        create expressions (ie codified communication), or you can use the
        objects and controls of the world to process communication with the
        results of that processing being the expression. To model this out:
        
        You can have use a word processor to write a document. This is a
        case of using the world features to create an expression. Nothing
        has really been created; a communication has merely been codified
        using pre-existent hihg-level building blocks.
        
        You can use various tools on the same machine to run a Julia
        robot, Eliza, or other semi-intelligent text processors. You can do
        contextual and grammatical analysis, cross references with the
        Gutenberg texts, etc. You can have the system intercept
        communications, reply inteligently, corrupt intelligently,
        intelligently react, do language translation, and in general have
        *you* (in the form of your scripted tools) create the communication
        medium rather than your merely overlaying your signal on a
        pre-provided and pre-defined communications medium. You can have
        your system intelligently create and process the very _medium_ of
        communication rather than merely creating the __instances__ of
        communication.
        
        Or to analogise this pairing again:
        
        You're not just restricted to writing on paper, but you can
        program, create, and actually define the base laws and modes of
        operation of TV, radio, RADAR, telepathy, sign language(s), the WWW,
        email, NetNews, etc etc etc yada yada, _and_ automate and interate
        all of that. In essence you can play God with the very medium that
        is used for communication rather than being restricted to merely
        creating instances of communication.
        
        > Or rather, I understand what you're saying, but don't see how it
        > relates to muds (remember, my background is largely paper
        > RPGs). What, in mud terms, is an expressive environment, and how
        > does one implement it "just good enough"?
        
        LambdaMOO did it by implementing free user programming, implementing
        an internal soft code language which was simple and obvious enough
        for generic non-programmers to understand and do useful things with,
        and provided all the tools needed to edit the basic definition and
        reality of the shared world with that code (which was easy because
        the entire world was written in the same soft code and that source
        in turn was available to all wannabe LambdaMOO user-programmers).
        
        (Perl has largely accomplished the same feat thru its language
        features, CPAN, and other such culural pivots)
        
        Players were not only able express themselves, but they were able to
        create and customise new forms of expression. Legba is a glaring
        and obvious case here with her robots, character morphs, sexuality
        and body language changes, etc. (Read the Dibbel articles IIRC --
        he interviews Legba extensively in one of them (hope I have right
        reference)).
        
        > Sounds like a fascinating topic in and of itself, but I'm not
        > following it well enough to comment further...
        
        Allow your users to create edit, and define your world. Forget
        playing god with the implacable doctrine and the deistic mandates.
        Your job is to provide fertilizer and convice enough of the players
        that they can and want to grow things. Its whats going to happen
        anyway in the long term (your users will play your world, create
        their own new visions, go create them somewhere else, new people
        will play there, create new visions, go create them somewhere else,
        etc), so you might as well encourage the process and try to branch
        over at least a few generations.
        
        >> This makes the idea of producing a game which is __deliberately__
        >> unfinished and full of half-way-dones and almost-dones tempting.
        >> Make some bits fine and polished to whow what can be done. Make
        >> other bits pretty grotty and annoying. Balance carefully. Make
        >> sure the environment is expressive enough to lock in the player
        >> base and they'll do they rest for you.
        >>
        >> One translation: I'm thinking 3D rendered game where only a small
        >> fraction of the world is fully rendered, some is not rendered at
        >> all (beyond a glowing wireframe), and the rest in the middle is
        >> of various qualities.
        
        > The Metaverse from _Snow Crash_. =)
        
        <nod>
        
        > My background is different from that of most of you (and so my
        > spec'ed software is not "exactly" a mud to begin with), but I view
        > this as essential, in one form or another. Players must be able to
        > make the world "theirs" in some way, by personalizing their corner
        > of it.
        
        I'm looking more at having the users actually define and create the
        world at a very fundamental laws-of-the-universe level far more than
        pick out new colour schemse for the paint jobs on their tract
        houses.
        
        > Whether I allow, as in your example, building the world from a
        > wireframe up, or just players making their customizing marks on a
        > pre-built shell, the customization is a vital element; ...
        
        Agreed. (Actually I'm looking at having them editing the wire-frame
        as well).
        
        > I think the alternative (a "finished" world) is a bad idea in that
        > it is not a strong stimulus to player imagination. And if we
        > manage to involve the player's imagination, we've got them
        > "hooked" for as long as we manage to *keep* it involved.
        
        <nod>
        
        While I forget the attribution, 98% of sex occurs between the ears.
        Ditto for our worlds and games. Its really not what happens on
        screen, in the channels, what is emoted etc that matters. Its what
        happens inside the players own mental universe, the one they
        occassionally peek out of to check on that status of reality. Or,
        to get back to a previous post of mine: The basic medium and the
        basic value is communication. Take that out and you have less than
        nothing.
        
        >> Two translation: Design of the internal programming language, and
        >> class/object heirarchy.
        
        > This is where I'm missing your boat altogether. =( How are you
        > tying this to "expressiveness"? (I'm certain I'm just being
        > incredibly dense... I never cease to amaze myself with just how
        > dense I can occasionally be for a basically intelligent
        > fellow. <g>)
        
        Implement the entire world, every last teensy bit of it in soft
        code. Allow your players to edit and write that soft code. Allow
        them to define, redefine, and create the world in their own image.
        Allow them to communicate whatever than can manage to create.
        
        If your softcode is good enough, they'll use it. If its use in the
        game and gameworld is bad enough, they'll fix and extend it and
        immediately become partial owners and evangalists for their project.
        
        The object heirarchy is merely the expression of the above in code
        in the game world. Its the instantiation.
        
        >> Three translation: Don't strive for perfection, strive for
        >> expressive fertility. You can't create utopia, and if you did
        >> nobody would want to live there. You can howver create knee-deep
        >> cow patties and semi-implement admobe construction.
        
        > Amen, brother! Preach on!! <g> (I still didn't quite parse
        > "expressive fertility", but I *strongly* agree with the contextual
        > sentiment of letting PCs "fend for themselves" whenever
        > possible...)
        
        The "expressive fertility" bit is the really a re-working of the
        perl mantra. Just why is perl so popular? Why didn't Python,
        Tcl/TK, or any of the very large host of other scripting and text
        processing languages out there not take that crown? Python
        certainly ia faster... Simple really: perl is incredibly expressive
        in exactly the same way that Inuit can talk about snow formations
        with extremely flexibility and precision, or the French is called
        the "Language of Love". Not only can you say damn near anything
        with it, but you can say any one of those damn near everythings in
        (seemingly) a near infinite number of ways, all of which both work
        and communicate succssfully.
        
        Its expressive. It allows free and multi-formed and finely nuanced
        and carefully connotationed communications without restricting *how*
        that thing is said.
        
        How many ways are there to say "Hello!" in colloquial english?
        "G'day!" "Lo!" "Hail fellow traveller!" "Howdy!" "How ya doin'?"
        "Lookin' good!" And the list goes on for miles.
        
        _That's_ expressiveness.
        
        Now take your standard programming language, say our good friend C.
        How many ways are there to assign a string to a variable?
        
        char *string = "this is a string";
        char string[] = { 't', 'h', 'i', 's', ' ', 'i', 's' ...etc};
        strcpy (char *string, "this is a string");
        memcpy (string, "this is a string", strlen ("this is a string") + 1);
        memmove (string, "this is a string", strlen ("this is a string") + 1);
        sprintf (buffer, "this is a string");
        
        Most of which you'll note aren't really synonymous with each other.
        Now count the number of ways you can do the same thing under perl
        (you can stop when you get to 20).
        
        Programming languages are not historically expressive. Instead they
        are logical, orthogonal, and orderly, have well defined and
        ligically consistent grammars, and generally encourage
        single-best-approaches for common problems in their problem area.
        Perl takes the opposite approach in many ways. Its disorganised,
        full of special and corner cases, ultimately non-orthogonal, very
        disorganised, has a regularly inconsistent grammar, and generally is
        very organic in nature.
        
        <<I should note at this point that I *really* don't like perl.>>
        
        --
        J C Lawrence Internet: claw@null.net
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      • • Laws of Online World Design ApplePiMan@aol.com
        • • Laws of Online World Design manta@pobox.com
          • Laws of Online World Design J C Lawrence
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            • Laws of Online World Design ApplePiMan@aol.com
            • • Laws of Online World Design J C Lawrence
              • • Laws of Online World Design ApplePiMan@aol.com
  • Laws of Online World Design Koster, Raph
  • • Laws of Online World Design Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • Laws of Online World Design Koster, Raph
      • • Laws of Online World Design J C Lawrence
        • Laws of Online World Design Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • Laws of Online World Design Ola Fosheim Grøstad
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  • Laws of Online World Design Darrin Hyrup
  • • Laws of Online World Design Koster, Raph
    • • Laws of Online World Design Darrin Hyrup
    • Laws of Online World Design J C Lawrence
  • Laws of Online World Design Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
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  • Laws of Online World Design Richard Bartle
  • Laws of Online World Design Richard Bartle
  • • Laws of Online World Design Vadim Tkachenko
• MUVE vs. MUD [was Current Projects] Richard Bartle
• META: Review of FAQ's Bio Section Ling
• • META: Review of FAQ's Bio Section Chris Gray
  • • META: Review of FAQ's Bio Section Benjamin D. Wiechel
    • • META: Review of FAQ's Bio Section Ling
      • • META: Review of FAQ's Bio Section J C Lawrence
  • META: Review of FAQ's Bio Section Adam Wiggins
  • META: Review of FAQ's Bio Section Michael.Willey@abnamro.com
• Advance book review Koster, Raph
• (CDMag) Sosaria Cracked: Why OSI's great social experiment is doomed J C Lawrence
• Ethics & Identity Scatter
• DNS adventure J C Lawrence
• • DNS adventure Chris Gray
  • • DNS adventure Caliban Tiresias Darklock
    • DNS adventure Adam J. Thornton
  • DNS adventure Vadim Tkachenko
  • • DNS adventure J C Lawrence
• Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) mark@erdos.Stanford.EDU
• • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) J C Lawrence
  • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) Hal Black
  • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Koster, Raph
  • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) Jon Leonard
  • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) J C Lawrence
    • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) Adam J. Thornton
      • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) Marc Hernandez
        • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Wilburn, E.J.
          • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Jon Leonard
            • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Vadim Tkachenko
              • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Steve Sparks
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            • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Vadim Tkachenko
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              • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Vadim Tkachenko
                • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Steve Sparks
• A Query Regarding Economies in a Text Environment Brandon A Downey
• • A Query Regarding Economies in a Text Environment J C Lawrence
  • • A Query Regarding Economies in a Text Environme nt Koster, Raph
• Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) Chris Gray
• • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) J C Lawrence
  • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) Jon Leonard
    • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Wilburn, E.J.
      • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) J C Lawrence
• [Tech] socket slowdown solved Chris Gray
• • [Tech] socket slowdown solved J C Lawrence
• ADMIN: unsubscriptions J C Lawrence
• Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Design) Chris Gray
• Network float format (RFC 1014) J C Lawrence
• Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals J C Lawrence
• • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Koster, Raph
  • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Jon Leonard
  • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals J C Lawrence
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            • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Wilburn, E.J.
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  • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Chris Gray
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                • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals Adam J. Thornton
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          • • Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals ApplePiMan@aol.com
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• OT: TTYQuake Niklas Elmqvist
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• Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Matthew R. Sheahan
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• FW: Book? Koster, Raph
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• Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World Jon A. Lambert
• Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Koster, Raph
• • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) quzah [sotfhome]
  • • Trusting the Client (Laws of Online World D esign) Steve Sparks
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• Lengthy Palace study Koster, Raph
• Hacks/Diablo/etc (was: Trusting the quzah [sotfhome]
• PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Niklas Elmqvist
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• Recursive look Ling
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• evil - good realism Vladimir Prelovac
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  • evil - good realism Brandon A Downey
  • • evil - good realism quzah [sotfhome]
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  • evil - good realism Vadim Tkachenko
• PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Chris Gray
• • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Niklas Elmqvist
• PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Chris Gray
• • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Hal Black
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          • • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Jon Leonard
• PDMud thread summary Jon Leonard
• • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • PDMud thread summary Darrin Hyrup
  • • PDMud thread summary J C Lawrence
    • • PDMud thread summary Hal Black
      • • PDMud thread summary Vadim Tkachenko
      • PDMud thread summary Darrin Hyrup
      • • PDMud thread summary J C Lawrence
  • PDMud thread summary Niklas Elmqvist
  • • PDMud thread summary Darrin Hyrup
    • • PDMud thread summary Niklas Elmqvist
    • PDMud thread summary Adam J. Thornton
    • PDMud thread summary Jon A. Lambert
    • • PDMud thread summary Jon A. Lambert
    • PDMud thread summary ApplePiMan@aol.com
    • • PDMud thread summary Niklas Elmqvist
  • PDMud thread summary J C Lawrence
  • PDMud thread summary ApplePiMan@aol.com
  • • PDMud thread summary Jo Dillon
  • PDMud thread summary The Arrow
  • • PDMud thread summary Niklas Elmqvist
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • • PDMud thread summary ApplePiMan@aol.com
    • • PDMud thread summary Darrin Hyrup
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • • PDMud thread summary Jon Leonard
    • PDMud thread summary ApplePiMan@aol.com
  • PDMud thread summary Steve Sparks
  • • PDMud thread summary Jo Dillon
    • • PDMud thread summary Adam J. Thornton
      • • PDMud thread summary Jon Leonard
        • • PDMud thread summary Jo Dillon
          • • PDMud thread summary Jon Leonard
            • PDMud thread summary Vadim Tkachenko
            • • PDMud thread summary Jo Dillon
              • PDMud thread summary Niklas Elmqvist
              • • PDMud thread summary Vadim Tkachenko
          • PDMud thread summary Darrin Hyrup
        • PDMud thread summary Niklas Elmqvist
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • • PDMud thread summary Jon A. Lambert
    • • PDMud thread summary Adam J. Thornton
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • • PDMud thread summary James Wilson
    • • PDMud thread summary ApplePiMan@aol.com
      • • PDMud thread summary James Wilson
        • • PDMud thread summary ApplePiMan@aol.com
    • PDMud thread summary ApplePiMan@aol.com
    • • PDMud thread summary Adam J. Thornton
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • • PDMud thread summary Niklas Elmqvist
    • • PDMud thread summary James Wilson
      • • PDMud thread summary Niklas Elmqvist
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • • PDMud thread summary Niklas Elmqvist
    • • PDMud thread summary Jon A. Lambert
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • • PDMud thread summary Alex Oren
    • PDMud thread summary Alex Oren
    • • PDMud thread summary Jon A. Lambert
      • • PDMud thread summary Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
        • • PDMud thread summary Jon A. Lambert
  • PDMud thread summary Jon A. Lambert
  • PDMud thread summary Holly Sommer
  • • PDMud thread summary Jo Dillon
    • • PDMud thread summary Adam J. Thornton
      • • PDMud thread summary Jo Dillon
      • PDMud thread summary Adam Wiggins
      • • PDMud thread summary Jo Dillon
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • • PDMud thread summary Alex Oren
  • PDMud thread summary Chris Gray
  • • PDMud thread summary Alex Oren
• ADMIN: Unsubscriptions J C Lawrence
• DevMUD Event Language Hal Black
• • DevMUD Event Language Jon Leonard
  • • DevMUD Event Language J C Lawrence
    • • DevMUD Event Language James Wilson
      • • DevMUD Event Language J C Lawrence
  • DevMUD Event Language Chris Gray
• PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Chris Gray
• • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) J C Lawrence
  • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Niklas Elmqvist
  • • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) James Wilson
    • • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Jo Dillon
    • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Jon Leonard
    • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) ApplePiMan@aol.com
• PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Chris Gray
• PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Chris Gray
• PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Chris Gray
• • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Niklas Elmqvist
• Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source released (sorta) J C Lawrence
• • Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source released (sorta) Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
  • Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source released (sorta ) Koster, Raph
  • • Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source released (sorta ) Marc Hernandez
  • Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source released (sorta) Adam J. Thornton
  • • Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source released (sorta) Adam Wiggins
    • • Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source released (sorta) J C Lawrence
    • Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source released (sorta) J C Lawrence
    • • Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source released (sorta) Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
• Game Developers Conference Koster, Raph
• Crack.Com deceased Marc Hernandez
• OT, kinda, but yay :) Koster, Raph
• • OT, kinda, but yay :) Jon Leonard
  • • OT, kinda, but yay :) Nathan F Yospe
    • • OT, kinda, but yay :) Jon Leonard
    • OT, kinda, but yay :) Koster, Raph
  • OT, kinda, but yay :) Steve Sparks
  • OT, kinda, but yay :) Adam Wiggins
  • OT, kinda, but yay :) Chris Gray
  • • OT, kinda, but yay :) Jo Dillon
    • OT, kinda, but yay :) Adam Wiggins
    • • OT, kinda, but yay :) Jo Dillon
  • OT, kinda, but yay :) Jo Dillon
• PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Petri Virkkula
• Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source released , (sorta) Holly Sommer
• OT: slashdot Adam Wiggins
• • OT: slashdot J C Lawrence
  • • OT: slashdot J C Lawrence
• Language support Koster, Raph
• PDMud, Gamora and Casbah Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
• • PDMud, Gamora and Casbah Caliban Tiresias Darklock
  • PDMud, Gamora and Casbah Niklas Elmqvist
  • • PDMud, Gamora and Casbah Jon Leonard
    • • PDMud, Gamora and Casbah Darrin Hyrup
      • PDMud, Gamora and Casbah Niklas Elmqvist
      • • PDMud, Gamora and Casbah Adam J. Thornton
    • PDMud, Gamora and Casbah ApplePiMan@aol.com
  • PDMud, Gamora and Casbah Chris Gray
  • • PDMud, Gamora and Casbah Darrin Hyrup
    • PDMud, Gamora and Casbah Niklas Elmqvist
• UO: Second Age Koster, Raph
• PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Chris Gray
• PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Chris Gray
• • PDMud (was Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
• Golgotha as it applies to PDMud (was Crack.Com deceased, Golgotha source , released (sorta)) Niklas Elmqvist
• OpenMUD: bus-based communications James Wilson
• • OpenMUD: bus-based communications Chris Gray
  • • OpenMUD: bus-based communications Niklas Elmqvist
  • OpenMUD: bus-based communications Niklas Elmqvist
  • OpenMUD: bus-based communications ApplePiMan@aol.com
• I wanna do it OO James Wilson
• • I wanna do it OO Chris Gray
• DevMUD - thoughts.1 Chris Gray
• • DevMUD - thoughts.1 James Wilson
  • DevMUD - thoughts.1 Chris Gray
  • DevMUD - thoughts.1 Chris Gray
  • • DevMUD - thoughts.1 James Wilson
  • DevMUD - thoughts.1 Niklas Elmqvist
  • DevMUD - thoughts.1 Chris Gray
• CVS and LXR bruce@portland.puremagic.com
• openmud or pdmud or devmud James Wilson
• • openmud or pdmud or devmud Chris Gray
  • openmud or pdmud or devmud Darrin Hyrup
  • • openmud or pdmud or devmud Hal Black
  • openmud or pdmud or devmud Jon Leonard
  • • openmud or pdmud or devmud Adam J. Thornton
    • • openmud or pdmud or devmud Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
      • • openmud or pdmud or devmud Adam J. Thornton
• openmud: open issues James Wilson
• • openmud: open issues Vadim Tkachenko
  • • openmud: open issues James Wilson
    • • openmud: open issues Vadim Tkachenko
• MUD verb handling (Was: DevMUD - thoughts.1) Chris Gray
• • MUD verb handling (Was: DevMUD - thoughts.1) Adam J. Thornton
• MUD verb handling (Was: DevMUD - thoughts.1) The Arrow
• • MUD verb handling (Was: DevMUD - thoughts.1) Jon Leonard
  • • MUD verb handling (Was: DevMUD - thoughts.1) Niklas Elmqvist
• Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
• • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Jon A. Lambert
  • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Niklas Elmqvist
  • • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Darrin Hyrup
    • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
  • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
    • • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Chris Gray
  • • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
    • • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • Missing the point: OpenMUD, Gamora, Casbah, etc. Chris Gray
• DevMUD module configuration Jon Leonard
• • DevMUD module configuration James Wilson
  • • DevMUD module configuration Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
    • • DevMUD module configuration J C Lawrence
  • DevMUD module configuration Chris Gray
  • DevMUD module configuration Niklas Elmqvist
  • DevMUD module configuration Vadim Tkachenko
• Inheritance model (was PDMud thread summary) Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
• • Inheritance model (was PDMud thread summary) Cynbe ru Taren
• Why did it take years? Cynbe ru Taren
• • Why did it take years? Adam Wiggins
  • • Why did it take years? James Wilson
    • • Why did it take years? Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
    • Why did it take years? Niklas Elmqvist
    • • Why did it take years? Holly Sommer
      • Why did it take years? J C Lawrence
    • Why did it take years? Jo Dillon
• Why did it take years? Cynbe ru Taren
• • Why did it take years? J C Lawrence
  • • Why did it take years? Adam Wiggins
• Why did it take years? Chris Gray
• Why did it take years? Erik Ostrom
• Gamora: Lessons learned? (fwd) Niklas Elmqvist
• Gamora: Lessons learned? (fwd) Niklas Elmqvist
• resource management (was: Missing the point) Felix A. Croes
• DevMUD: Inheritable modules The Arrow
• • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Bruce Mitchener, Jr.
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jon Leonard
  • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules The Arrow
    • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jon Leonard
      • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules James Wilson
        • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jon Leonard
          • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules James Wilson
            • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jo Dillon
              • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules James Wilson
        • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Niklas Elmqvist
        • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jon Leonard
          • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Niklas Elmqvist
            • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jo Dillon
            • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Robert Brady
              • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules J C Lawrence
          • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Darrin Hyrup
        • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jo Dillon
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Chris Gray
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Adam J. Thornton
  • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules James Wilson
    • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jon A. Lambert
      • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules James Wilson
        • DevMUD: Inheritable modules James Wilson
    • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jon A. Lambert
    • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Cynbe ru Taren
      • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jon A. Lambert
    • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jo Dillon
    • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Vadim Tkachenko
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Chris Gray
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Chris Gray
  • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules James Wilson
    • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Adam J. Thornton
    • DevMUD: Inheritable modules James Wilson
    • DevMUD: Inheritable modules The Arrow
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules The Arrow
  • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Thandor
    • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules The Arrow
      • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Thandor
        • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Jon A. Lambert
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Chris Gray
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Chris Gray
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Chris Gray
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Chris Gray
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Chris Gray
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules Chris Gray
  • • DevMUD: Inheritable modules James Wilson
  • DevMUD: Inheritable modules J C Lawrence
• [DevMUD] driver implementation language Hal Black
• META/ADMIN: CVS for DevMUD security J C Lawrence
• • META/ADMIN: CVS for DevMUD security Jon Leonard
  • • META/ADMIN: CVS for DevMUD security James Wilson
• DevMUD Objectives? Thandor
• • DevMUD Objectives? Koster, Raph
  • • DevMUD Objectives? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • DevMUD Objectives? Petri Virkkula
  • • DevMUD Objectives? Thandor
  • DevMUD Objectives? Niklas Elmqvist
  • • DevMUD Objectives? Thandor
    • • DevMUD Objectives? Darrin Hyrup
      • DevMUD Objectives? Travis Casey
  • DevMUD Objectives? Chris Gray
  • DevMUD Objectives? Chris Gray
  • DevMUD Objectives? Hal Black
  • • DevMUD Objectives? Thandor
• Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Chris Gray
  • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Chris Gray
  • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Thandor
    • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) James Wilson
      • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Adam J. Thornton
  • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Vadim Tkachenko
  • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Vadim Tkachenko
      • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Thandor
        • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) James Wilson
    • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Jon A. Lambert
  • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Thandor
  • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Jon A. Lambert
  • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Vadim Tkachenko
      • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Jon A. Lambert
      • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Vadim Tkachenko
        • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Jon A. Lambert
          • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Vadim Tkachenko
            • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Vadim Tkachenko
        • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) Vadim Tkachenko
        • • Why modules? (Was: Inheritable modules) J C Lawrence
• MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Greg Munt
• • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Cynbe ru Taren
  • • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Chris Gray
  • • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution ApplePiMan@aol.com
    • • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Jon A. Lambert
  • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Chris Gray
  • • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Cynbe ru Taren
      • • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Adam J. Thornton
      • • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Ola Fosheim Grøstad
        • • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution James Wilson
  • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Niklas Elmqvist
  • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution The Arrow
  • MUD-Dev's DevMUD: a word of caution Thandor
• DevMUD: Module message passing The Arrow
• • DevMUD: Module message passing Vadim Tkachenko
• Why mudules and some other questions. Ben Greear
• • Why mudules and some other questions. Vadim Tkachenko
• Reminiscing Jon A. Lambert