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Linear Quadtrees Carter T Shock
- Linear Quadtrees gzhang1234@yahoo.com
q-tree stuff Chris Gray
- q-tree stuff Carter T Shock
- - q-tree stuff coder@ibm.net
Issues from the digests and Wout's list Alex Oren
- Issues from the digests and Wout's list coder@ibm.net
- Issues from the digests and Wout's list coder@ibm.net
- Issues from the digests and Wout's list coder@ibm.net
- Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
- - Issues from the digests and Wout's list Nathan Yospe
  - - Issues from the digests and Wout's list Shawn Halpenny
    - - Issues from the digests and Wout's list Nathan Yospe
      - Issues from the digests and Wout's list Shawn Halpenny
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
      - Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
      - Issues from the digests and Wout's list Shawn Halpenny
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Shawn Halpenny
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Shawn Halpenny
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Shawn Halpenny
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
    - Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
    - - Issues from the digests and Wout's list Adam Wiggins
      - Issues from the digests and Wout's list coder@ibm.net
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Chris Gray
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Miroslav Silovic
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Miroslav Silovic
        
        > In <199705190115.DAA06158@regoc.srce.hr>, on 05/18/97
        > at 06:19 PM, silovic@srce.hr (Miroslav Silovic) said:
        >
        > <snip>
        >
        > Tho I haven't cleaned up the details, the presentation I have in mind
        > is very much that the shared reality experienced in the MUD is a
        > physical construct resulting purely from the mutual mental actions of
        > the players. Probably this will be presented in much the manner of
        > (all) the players being once near-omnipitent (demi-)gods who were
        > mutually responsible for the initial creation of the universe, but are
        > now much descended from their former stature and power and
        > concomittantly bereft of much of their memory.
        >
        > See! User-programming is perfectly in character.
        
        I don't see it: If I were god, I'd change the world by something
        that starts with 'let there be *', not by something that starts
        with @create blah. :)
        
        Changing the reality is not the same operation as programming, since
        the former happens inside the game universe, while the latter happens
        in Real World. In other words, ordering the reality to change is a
        game system operation. But implementing the change is event outside
        the game.
        
        > >The similar example: causing commands that failed because of typos to
        > >have IC consequences (for instance, typing 'west', when there is no
        > >exit to west, should produce an error, because while player didn't
        > >know that there is no exit, character certainly did know that.
        >
        > Again this comes back to the question of distinction I posed a couple
        > days ago (which got very little feedback). Are you the human merely a
        > background mentor for the character in the MUD, or is the character in
        > the MUD merely a proxy for you the human (along with whatever personae
        > etc you wish to assume)?
        
        Using words 'proxy' and 'personae' together in the context above
        is not self-consistant. :)
        
        > If you take the former view, then yes, walking into the wall is both
        > surprising and probably unacceptable. If you take the later view
        > (which I prefer) then walking into the wall is not only preferable,
        > but not walking into the wall breaks the logical consistancy of the
        > world.
        
        Errr, uhhhh, you just said that for you, there is no difference between
        IC and OOC. The fact that you use the two terms in the same article
        as the above is the logical contradiction (since mentioning
        'in-character' means that character has its own existance, which human
        merely empowers).
        
        Of course, choosing 'not to break the logical consistancy'
        in this case also means irritating the players to no end (example:
        you type north 6-7 times, lag, loose count, and then try to go east.
        *WHAM!*) To my worldview, characters don't bang their heads into the
        wall when they try walking, period. The alternative does not contribute
        to anything, but detracts from playability.
        
        Since your dillema was posed as a question, here's my take at the answer:
        If player is assumed to be on the MUD as himself, then the MUD is
        a strategy game. The only way to consider MUD a roleplaying game, IMHO,
        is to assume that player merely gives guidance to the independantly
        existing character. Since you stated that you never do playing but
        do mostly coding (correct if I misremembered), I can tell you that the
        experince is very hard to describe to somebody who never played a
        high-impact scene. With practice, you learn to build a 'sub-persona'
        in your mind, and shift gears to it while playing him or her (this is
        what I do and what most RPers I know do). Splitting one's mind and
        then watching over your character's shoulder is the most important
        source of fun for both RPers and actors. But in your view of MUDding,
        this never happens.
        
        Opening separate topic: Many times, *very* clever ideas that while on the
        drawing board lead to great immersive RPing experience, also
        lead to a MU* that won't survive its first year.
        
        For example, GOHS MUSH had *great* world design, livid economy, detailed
        character creation, and a starting base od dedicated players. It had no
        means of out-of-character communication, thereby forcing the players to
        meet only on IC grounds.
        
        It died because of it.
        
        The reason is that players /needed/ un-immersive communication to talk
        to each other, planning things, and basically creating something that
        could be call 'accelerated coincidence'.
        
        Miro
        
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Jeff Kesselman
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Caliban Tiresias Darklock
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Caliban Tiresias Darklock
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Miroslav Silovic
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Caliban Tiresias Darklock
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Caliban Tiresias Darklock
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list coder@ibm.net
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Miroslav Silovic
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Jon A. Lambert
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Ling
    - Issues from the digests and Wout's list Adam Wiggins
    - - Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
      - Issues from the digests and Wout's list Adam Wiggins
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Adam Wiggins
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Adam Wiggins
- Issues from the digests and Wout's list Shawn Halpenny
- - Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  - - Issues from the digests and Wout's list Nathan Yospe
    - - Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
      - Issues from the digests and Wout's list Shawn Halpenny
    - Issues from the digests and Wout's list Chris Gray
    - - Issues from the digests and Wout's list Ling
      - Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Jeff Kesselman
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Chris Gray
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Nathan Yospe
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Shawn Halpenny
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Jeff Kesselman
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Jeff Kesselman
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Jon A. Lambert
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Jeff Kesselman
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Jeff Kesselman
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list S001GMU@nova.wright.edu
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Shawn Halpenny
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Travis Casey
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Nathan Yospe
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Jeff Kesselman
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Nathan Yospe
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Jon A. Lambert
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Adam Wiggins
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Ling
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Adam Wiggins
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Adam Wiggins
    - Issues from the digests and Wout's list Orion Henry
    - - Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
  - Issues from the digests and Wout's list Ling
  - - Issues from the digests and Wout's list Shawn Halpenny
    - - Issues from the digests and Wout's list Nathan Yospe
      - Issues from the digests and Wout's list Jeff Kesselman
    - Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
    - - Issues from the digests and Wout's list Chris Gray
      - Issues from the digests and Wout's list Jon A. Lambert
      - Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Jeff Kesselman
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Jon A. Lambert
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        Issues from the digests and Wout's list Jeff Kesselman
- Issues from the digests and Wout's list Chris Gray
- Issues from the digests and Wout's list Chris Gray
- Issues from the digests and Wout's list Adam Wiggins
- Issues from the digests and Wout's list Jeff Kesselman
ListMail dupes coder@ibm.net
Threads, IO handling, and Event Queues Nathan Yospe
- Threads, IO handling, and Event Queues Chris Gray
- - Threads, IO handling, and Event Queues coder@ibm.net
  - Threads, IO handling, and Event Queues Carter T Shock
  - - Threads, IO handling, and Event Queues Nathan Yospe
    - Threads, IO handling, and Event Queues claw@null.net
- Threads, IO handling, and Event Queues coder@ibm.net
mud grammar (was Just a bit of musing) Carter T Shock
- mud grammar (was Just a bit of musing) Nathan Yospe
- mud grammar (was Just a bit of musing) Chris Gray
- mud grammar (was Just a bit of musing) claw@null.net
- - mud grammar (was Just a bit of musing) Chris Gray
  - - mud grammar (was Just a bit of musing) claw@null.net
    - - mud grammar (was Just a bit of musing) Chris Gray
mud grammar Carter T Shock
- mud grammar Nathan Yospe
- - mud grammar Alex Oren
  - - mud grammar Nathan Yospe
- mud grammar Adam Wiggins
- mud grammar Chris Gray
Just a bit of musing (VRML) Dmitri Kondratiev
- Just a bit of musing (VRML) claw@null.net
Room coding Nathan Yospe
- Room coding Furball
command parsing Chris Gray
- command parsing Adam Wiggins
- command parsing claw@null.net
Room coding S001GMU@nova.wright.edu
- Room coding Chris Gray
Resets and repops Furball
- Resets and repops claw@null.net
- Resets and repops Jon A. Lambert
- - Resets and repops claw@null.net
  - - Resets and repops Nathan Yospe
    - - Resets and repops Jon A. Lambert
      - Resets and repops Nathan Yospe
        Resets and repops claw@null.net
        Resets and repops Adam Wiggins
        Resets and repops Nathan Yospe
        Resets and repops Adam Wiggins
        Resets and repops Nathan Yospe
        Resets and repops Chris Gray
        Resets and repops Chris Gray
        Resets and repops Adam Wiggins
        Resets and repops Travis Casey
        Resets and repops Chris Gray
        Resets and repops Adam Wiggins
        Resets and repops Shawn Halpenny
        Resets and repops Jeff Kesselman
        Resets and repops Chris Gray
        Resets and repops Nathan Yospe
        Resets and repops Jon A. Lambert
        Resets and repops Nathan Yospe
        Resets and repops claw@null.net
        Resets and repops claw@null.net
        Resets and repops claw@null.net
      - Resets and repops claw@null.net
      - Resets and repops Nathan Yospe
        Resets and repops Adam Wiggins
        Resets and repops claw@null.net
        Resets and repops Adam Wiggins
        Resets and repops claw@null.net
        Resets and repops Nathan Yospe
        Resets and repops claw@null.net
    - Resets and repops Jon A. Lambert
  - Resets and repops Furball
- Resets and repops Chris Gray
- - Resets and repops Adam Wiggins
  - - Resets and repops claw@null.net
    - - Resets and repops Adam Wiggins
      - Resets and repops claw@null.net
      - Resets and repops Chris Gray
      - Resets and repops claw@null.net
        Resets and repops Adam Wiggins
        Resets and repops claw@null.net
        Resets and repops Adam Wiggins
        Resets and repops claw@null.net
        Resets and repops S001GMU@nova.wright.edu
        Resets and repops coder@ibm.net
        Resets and repops S001GMU@nova.wright.edu
        Resets and repops clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        Resets and repops S001GMU@nova.wright.edu
        Resets and repops Chris Gray
        Resets and repops Nathan Yospe
        Resets and repops claw@null.net
      - Resets and repops Nathan Yospe
      - Resets and repops Adam Wiggins
        Resets and repops Nathan Yospe
        Resets and repops Adam Wiggins
        Resets and repops Nathan Yospe
        Resets and repops Chris Gray
        Resets and repops Nathan Yospe
        Resets and repops Chris Gray
        Resets and repops Adam Wiggins
        Resets and repops Chris Gray
        Resets and repops claw@null.net
        Resets and repops lhulbert@czn.com
        Resets and repops claw@null.net
        Resets and repops Chris Gray
        Resets and repops claw@null.net
        Resets and repops Adam Wiggins
        Resets and repops Chris Gray
- Resets and repops Chris Gray
- Resets and repops claw@null.net
- Resets and repops claw@null.net
- Resets and repops claw@null.net
mud grammar claw@null.net
- mud grammar Nathan Yospe
- - mud grammar claw@null.net
List software claw@null.net
- List software Nathan Yospe
- List software Chris Gray
- List software claw@null.net
- List software claw@null.net
I got your message..! MAYA DASWANI
3D graphics claw@null.net
Sorry for the dups (again) coder@ibm.net
mud grammar Jon A. Lambert
- mud grammar claw@null.net
- - mud grammar Nathan Yospe
  - - mud grammar coder@ibm.net
    - - mud grammar Nathan Yospe
      - mud grammar Chris Gray
      - mud grammar claw@null.net
EVOLUTION response claw@null.net
- EVOLUTION response Jon A. Lambert
- - EVOLUTION response claw@null.net
Garbage Collector Artur 'Revinor' Biesiadowski
A perspective out of time - the mudreport document Nathan Yospe
- A perspective out of time - the mudreport document claw@null.net
Old missing posts from old list coder@ibm.net
Execution Chris Gray
- Execution Nathan Yospe
- Execution Furball
- - Execution Jeff Kesselman
  - Execution Chris Gray
- Execution Cynbe ru Taren
Mixture Furball
- Mixture Adam Wiggins
- - Mixture Travis S Casey
  - - Mixture Adam Wiggins
    - Mixture Nathan Yospe
  - Mixture Furball
  - - Mixture Adam Wiggins
    - - Mixture Furball
      - Mixture Adam Wiggins
        Mixture Furball
        Mixture coder@ibm.net
        Mixture coder@ibm.net
    - Mixture Nathan Yospe
  - Mixture claw@null.net
  - - Mixture Adam Wiggins
    - - Mixture claw@null.net
      - Mixture Adam Wiggins
        Mixture Jon A. Lambert
- Mixture claw@null.net
- Mixture claw@null.net
- Mixture claw@null.net
- Mixture S001GMU@nova.wright.edu
- - Mixture Adam Wiggins
  - Mixture Furball
- Mixture claw@null.net
- - Mixture Nathan Yospe
  - Mixture Jon A. Lambert
Resets and repops (a really short post) claw@null.net
- Resets and repops (a really short post) Nathan Yospe
- - Resets and repops (a really short post) claw@null.net
  - - Resets and repops (a really short post) Adam Wiggins
    - - Resets and repops (a really short post) claw@null.net
      - Resets and repops (a really short post) Nathan Yospe
    - Resets and repops (a really short post) Nathan Yospe
Resets and repops (a really short post) <= hah! Chris Gray
VT100 codes ... Khanone@aol.com
VT102 codes Adam Wiggins
- VT102 codes Adam Wiggins
- - VT102 codes Adam Wiggins
Dupes coder@ibm.net
Efficiency Chris Gray
Event Handling Nathan Yospe
- Event handling Shawn Halpenny
- - Event handling Vadim Tkachenko
  - Event handling Maddy
A brief introduction.. ok, you got me: an introduction Greg Munt
- A brief introduction.. ok, you got me: an introduction Adam Wiggins
- A brief introduction.. ok, you got me: an introduction coder@ibm.net
Greetings. :) Michael Hohensee
- Greetings. :) claw@null.net
- - Greetings. :) Nathan Yospe
  - Greetings. :) Michael Hohensee
  - - Greetings. :) coder@ibm.net
    - - Greetings. :) Nathan Yospe
      - Greetings. :) Chris Gray
        Greetings. :) coder@ibm.net
        Greetings. :) Chris Gray
        Greetings. :) Nathan Yospe
        Greetings. :) Jeff Kesselman
        Greetings. :) Chris Gray
        Greetings. :) Greg Munt
        Greetings. :) Jon A. Lambert
        Greetings. :) Nathan Yospe
        Greetings. :) clawrenc@cup.hp.com
        Greetings. :) Furball
        Greetings. :) Chris Gray
        Greetings. :) clawrenc@xsvr1.cup.hp.com
      - Greetings. :) Shawn Halpenny
      - Greetings. :) Jeff Kesselman
        Greetings. :) Shawn Halpenny
        Greetings. :) Jeff Kesselman
        Greetings. :) Shawn Halpenny
        Greetings. :) Jon A. Lambert
        Greetings. :) Jeff Kesselman
        Greetings. :) Shawn Halpenny
        Greetings. :) Jon A. Lambert
        Greetings. :) clawrenc@cup.hp.com
- Greetings. :) Jeff Kesselman

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