December 1997
- Vague: Containers Ling
- Forests, swamps, terrain & web ecology (long) Ling
- Forests, swamps, terrain & web ecology (long) coder@ibm.net
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries coder@ibm.net
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries Adam Wiggins
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries Brandon J. Rickman
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries coder@ibm.net
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries Jon A. Lambert
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries coder@ibm.net
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries coder@ibm.net
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries Chris Gray
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries coder@ibm.net
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries Stephen Zepp
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries coder@ibm.net
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries Chris Gray
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries Vadim Tkachenko
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries Matt Chatterley
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries Vadim Tkachenko
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries coder@ibm.net
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries Jon A. Lambert
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries Marian Griffith
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries coder@ibm.net
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries Stephen Zepp
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries Marian Griffith
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries Matt Chatterley
- BUILDERS: Ferries coder@ibm.net
- BUILDERS: Ferries Sauron
- BUILDERS: Ferries s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
- BUILDERS: Ferries coder@ibm.net
- BUILDERS: Ferries Marian Griffith
- BUILDERS: Ferries Mike Sellers
- BUILDERS: Ferries Adam Wiggins
- BUILDERS: Ferries Ling
- BUILDERS: Ferries Jon A. Lambert
- BUILDERS: Ferries Chris Gray
- BUILDERS: Ferries coder@ibm.net
- BUILDERS: Ferries Jon A. Lambert
- BUILDERS: Ferries Derrick Jones
- BUILDERS: Ferries Marian Griffith
- BUILDERS: Ferries s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
- BUILDERS: Ferries Vadim Tkachenko
- BUILDERS: Ferries Marian Griffith
- Alignment Vadim Tkachenko
- Status visualization Was: UI Issues: Anti-scripting techniques Vadim Tkachenko
- OT: forests and such Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- OT: forests and such Chris Gray
- Seminal Designs, WAS: Alignment Koster, Raph
- META: FAQ and Thread Summaries (HTML) Ling
- OT: News from the front coder@ibm.net
- OT: News from the front Richard Woolcock
- OT: News from the front Matt Chatterley
- OT: News from the front Mike Sellers
- OT: News from the front Chris Gray
- OT: News from the front coder@ibm.net
- OT: News from the front Vadim Tkachenko
- OT: News from the front Marian Griffith
- OT: News from the front Sauron
- OT: News from the front Nathan Yospe
- OT: News from the front coder@ibm.net
- OT: News from the front Jon A. Lambert
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Alex Oren
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Mike Sellers
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Alex Oren
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Alex Oren
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Mike Sellers
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Alex Oren
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Stephen Zepp
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Mike Sellers
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Matt Chatterley
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Derrick Jones
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Mike Sellers
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Stephen Zepp
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Jon A. Lambert
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Matt Chatterley
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Richard Woolcock
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Matt Chatterley
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) coder@ibm.net
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Adam Wiggins
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Adam Wiggins
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) JC Lawrence
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Felix A. Croes
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) JC Lawrence
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Jon A. Lambert
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) JC Lawrence
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Felix A. Croes
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) JC Lawrence
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Vadim Tkachenko
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) JC Lawrence
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) JC Lawrence
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) JC Lawrence
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Richard Woolcock
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Derrick Jones
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Mike Sellers
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Mike Sellers
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Marian Griffith
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Marian Griffith
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Travis S. Casey
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) JC Lawrence
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Marian Griffith
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Jon A. Lambert
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Matt Chatterley
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Matt Chatterley
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Greg Munt
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) JC Lawrence
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) JC Lawrence
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) JC Lawrence
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) JC Lawrence
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) JC Lawrence
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Mike Sellers
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Mike Sellers
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Chris Gray
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) JC Lawrence
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) JC Lawrence
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) JC Lawrence
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Jon A. Lambert
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Stephen Zepp
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Michael Hohensee
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Stephen Zepp
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) JC Lawrence
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Stephen Zepp
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Jon A. Lambert
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) JC Lawrence
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Vadim Tkachenko
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) JC Lawrence
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) coder@ibm.net
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Mike Sellers
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) JC Lawrence
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Mike Sellers
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) JC Lawrence
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Maddy
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Derrick Jones
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Matt Chatterley
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) coder@ibm.net
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Adam Wiggins
- Wild west (was Guilds & Politics) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Guilds & Politics Stephen Zepp
- Guilds & Politics Matt Chatterley
- Guilds & Politics Koster, Raph
- Guilds & Politics Adam Wiggins
- Guilds & Politics Koster, Raph
- Guilds & Politics Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Guilds & Politics Koster, Raph
- Guilds & Politics Stephen Zepp
- Guilds & Politics Matt Chatterley
- Guilds & Politics Koster, Raph
- Guilds & Politics Maddy
- Guilds & Politics Koster, Raph
- Guilds & Politics Derrick Jones
- Guilds & Politics Maddy
- Guilds & Politics Matt Chatterley
- Guilds & Politics Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Guilds & Politics Sauron
- Guilds & Politics Marian Griffith
- Guilds & Politics Jon A. Lambert
- Guilds & Politics Stephen Zepp
- Guilds & Politics coder@ibm.net
- World Design Jon A. Lambert
- Jerks (was ) Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Mike Sellers
- Guilds & Politics [was Affecting Koster, Raph
- Problem Players [was: Guilds & Politics ] Stephen Zepp
- Problem Players [was: Guilds & Politics ] Koster, Raph
- Problem Players [was: Guilds & Politics ] Stephen Zepp
- Problem Players [was: Guilds & Politics ] coder@ibm.net
- Problem Players [was: Guilds & Politics ] Vadim Tkachenko
- Problem Players [was: Guilds & Politics ] Koster, Raph
- Problem Players [was: Guilds & Politics ] Mike Sellers
- Problem Players [was: Guilds & Politics ] Matt Chatterley
- Guilds & Politics [was Affecting Stephen Zepp
- Rats, pests and FAQ. Ling
- Rats, pests and FAQ. coder@ibm.net
- Introductions and coder@ibm.net
- Introductions and s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
- Introductions and coder@ibm.net
- Introductions and Mike Sellers
- Introductions and Richard Woolcock
- Introductions and coder@ibm.net
- Introductions and Vadim Tkachenko
- Introductions and Matt Chatterley
- Introductions and s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
- Introductions and coder@ibm.net
- Introductions and Mike Sellers
- Introductions and Richard Woolcock
- Introductions and coder@ibm.net
- Introductions and Stephen Zepp
- Introductions and Adam Wiggins
- Introductions and Stephen Zepp
- Introductions and Richard Woolcock
- Introductions and Stephen Zepp
- Introductions and Adam Wiggins
- Introductions and Marian Griffith
- Introductions and Matt Chatterley
- Introductions and coder@ibm.net
- Introductions and Chris Gray
- Introductions and Adam Wiggins
- Introductions and Matt Chatterley
- Introductions and coder@ibm.net
- Introductions and coder@ibm.net
- Introductions and Richard Woolcock
- Introductions and Stephen Zepp
- Introductions and Matt Chatterley
- Introductions and Stephen Zepp
- now, prestige, Karma, and alignment Guilds & Politics Mike Sellers
- Players as Monsters/NPCs Jon A. Lambert
- Players as Monsters/NPCs Richard Woolcock
- Players as Monsters/NPCs Stephen Zepp
- Players as Monsters/NPCs Jon A. Lambert
- Server design (was: meta-something) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Guilds & Politics [was Affecting Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Guilds & Politics [was Affecting Koster, Raph
- Guilds & Politics [was Affecting Sauron
- Guilds & Stephen Zepp
- META: FAQ: location Vadim Tkachenko
- META: FAQ: location Sauron
- META: FAQ: location Vadim Tkachenko
- META: FAQ: location Miroslav Silovic
- META: FAQ: location Matt Chatterley
- META: FAQ: location Mike Sellers
- META: FAQ: location Adam Wiggins
- META: FAQ: location Stephen Zepp
- META: FAQ: location Adam Wiggins
- META: FAQ: location Jon Leonard
- META: FAQ: location Nathan Yospe
- META: FAQ: location Nathan Yospe
- META: FAQ: location Derrick Jones
- META: FAQ: location Stephen Zepp
- META: FAQ: location Richard Woolcock
- OT: Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World] Vadim Tkachenko
- OT: Era of the Nerd (forwarded) Adam Wiggins
- OT: Books Adam Wiggins
- OT: Books Koster, Raph
- OT: Books Mike Sellers
- OT: Books Nathan Yospe
- OT: Books s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
- OT: Books Chris Gray
- OT: Books coder@ibm.net
- OT: Books coder@ibm.net
- OT: Books Mike Sellers
- Is mud research real? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Is mud research real? Koster, Raph
- Alignment...an old view Derrick Jones
- Jerks (me) Ling
- LIST: Forced unsubscriptions due to persistant bounces coder@ibm.net
- Gods, worshipers and the balance Vadim Tkachenko
- Gods, worshipers and the balance Brandon Cline
- Gods, worshipers and the balance Jon A. Lambert
- Gods, worshipers and the balance Chris Gray
- Gods, worshipers and the balance Stephen Zepp
- Gods, worshipers and the balance Adam Wiggins
- Gods, worshipers and the balance Vadim Tkachenko
- Gods, worshipers and the balance Marian Griffith
- Gods, worshipers and the balance Jon A. Lambert
- Gods, worshipers and the balance Vadim Tkachenko
- Gods, worshipers and the balance Matt Chatterley
- Gods, worshipers and the balance coder@ibm.net
- Gods, worshipers and the balance Richard Woolcock
- Gods, worshipers and the balance Vadim Tkachenko
- Gods, worshipers and the balance Richard Woolcock
- Gods, worshipers and the balance Maddy
- META: FAQ: Location, etc s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
- META: FAQ: Location, etc Matt Chatterley
- META: FAQ: Location, etc Sauron
- META: FAQ: Location, etc Matt Chatterley
- META: FAQ: Location, etc Richard Woolcock
- META: FAQ: Location, etc Matt Chatterley
- META: FAQ: Location, etc s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
- META: FAQ: Location, etc Nathan Yospe
- META: FAQ: Location, etc Jon A. Lambert
- META: FAQ: location Chris Gray
- Crowds and Recognition (Was: Introductions and ) s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
- META: what's with these vcard.vcf attachments? Alex Oren
- META: what's with these vcard.vcf attachments? Vadim Tkachenko
- Describe module Stephen Zepp
- Describe module Vadim Tkachenko
- Seems rather quiet Stephen Zepp
- Seems rather quiet coder@ibm.net
- I live over there! coder@ibm.net
- LIST: Now back on the air coder@ibm.net
- Circumstances & Situations Ling
- Circumstances & Situations Richard Woolcock
- Circumstances & Situations Ling
- Circumstances & Situations Travis Casey
- Circumstances & Situations Nathan Yospe
- Circumstances & Situations Travis Casey
- Circumstances & Situations Marian Griffith
- Circumstances & Situations Travis Casey
- Circumstances & Situations Richard Woolcock
- Circumstances & Situations coder@ibm.net
- Circumstances & Situations JC Lawrence
- Circumstances & Situations Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Circumstances & Situations JC Lawrence
- Circumstances & Situations Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- META: nospam in email addresses coder@ibm.net
- OT: My Web Page Jon A. Lambert
- Mail from mud Stephen Zepp
- Mail from mud Richard Woolcock
- Mail from mud Miroslav Silovic
- Mail from mud Brandon Gillespie
- Mail from mud Vadim Tkachenko
- Mail from mud Chris Gray
- FAQ: Personality Clash Ling
- FAQ: Personality Clash Sauron
- FAQ: Personality Clash Marian Griffith
- FAQ: Personality Clash Greg Munt
- FAQ: Personality Clash s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
- FAQ: Personality Clash JC Lawrence
- FAQ: Personality Clash Koster, Raph
- FYI: Playing God, Creating Virtual Worlds Vadim Tkachenko
- OT: loss of information control Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- OT: loss of information control Jon A. Lambert
- OT: loss of information control JC Lawrence
- OT: loss of information control Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Mail from mud Update :) Stephen Zepp
- Mail from mud Update :) Vadim Tkachenko
- Mail from mud Update :) Richard Woolcock
- Mail from mud Update :) JC Lawrence
- Mail from mud Update :) Shawn Halpenny
- FAQ: Personality Clash - extra Server Design info included Reed Copsey, Jr.
- OT: Merry Christmas Kris Kringle
- OT: Merry Christmas Matt Chatterley
- The impact of the web on muds Greg Munt
- The impact of the web on muds ##Make Nylander
- The impact of the web on muds Mike Sellers
- The impact of the web on muds ##Make Nylander
- The impact of the web on muds Matt Chatterley
- The impact of the web on muds Mike Sellers
- The impact of the web on muds Marian Griffith
- The impact of the web on muds Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- The impact of the web on muds Marian Griffith
- The impact of the web on muds Travis Casey
- The impact of the web on muds Richard Woolcock
- The impact of the web on muds Nathan Yospe
- The impact of the web on muds Brandon J. Rickman
- The impact of the web on muds Ling
- The impact of the web on muds Mike Sellers
- The impact of the web on muds Michael Hohensee
- The impact of the web on muds Marian Griffith
- The impact of the web on muds Chris Gray
- The impact of the web on muds Brandon Cline
- The impact of the web on muds Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- The impact of the web on muds Mike Sellers
- The impact of the web on muds Chris Gray
- The impact of the web on muds Chris Gray
- The impact of the web on muds Caliban Tiresias Darklock
- The impact of the web on muds Brandon J. Rickman
- The impact of the web on muds Chris Gray
- The impact of the web on muds coder@ibm.net
- The impact of the web on muds Brandon J. Rickman
- The impact of the web on muds Mike Sellers
- The impact of the web on muds Marian Griffith
- The impact of the web on muds Chris Gray
- The impact of the web on muds Shawn Halpenny
- The impact of the web on muds Brandon J. Rickman
- The impact of the web on muds coder@ibm.net
- The impact of the web on muds coder@ibm.net
- The impact of the web on muds Jon A. Lambert
- The impact of the web on muds Adam Wiggins
- The impact of the web on muds Greg Munt
- The impact of the web on muds Travis Casey
- The impact of the web on muds Jon A. Lambert
- The impact of the web on muds Chris Gray
- The impact of the web on muds Mike Sellers
- The impact of the web on muds Koster, Raph
- The impact of the web on muds Vadim Tkachenko
- The impact of the web on muds Travis Casey
- The impact of the web on muds Chris Gray
- The impact of the web on muds JC Lawrence
- The impact of the web on muds coder@ibm.net
- The impact of the web on muds Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- The impact of the web on muds JC Lawrence
- The impact of the web on muds Brandon Cline
- The impact of the web on muds Chris Gray
- The impact of the web on muds Mike Sellers
- The impact of the web on muds Chris Gray
- The impact of the web on muds Michael Hohensee
- The impact of the web on muds Chris Gray
- The impact of the web on muds Michael Hohensee
- The impact of the web on muds Miroslav Silovic
- MUD Development Digest Dr. Cat
- Attributions vs brainstorming ( or, JC vs Z :) ) ( was Wild west ) Stephen Zepp
- Attributions vs brainstorming ( or, JC vs Z :) ) ( Jon A. Lambert
- Attributions vs brainstorming ( or, Z, DOWN FOR THE COUNT! :) ) Stephen Zepp
- Attributions vs brainstorming ( or, Z, DOWN FOR THE COUNT! :) ) Michael Hohensee
- Attributions vs brainstorming coder@ibm.net
- The morality of logfiles [was 'Wild west'] Greg Munt
- The morality of logfiles [was 'Wild west'] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- The morality of logfiles [was 'Wild west'] Greg Munt
- The morality of logfiles [was 'Wild west'] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- The morality of logfiles [was 'Wild west'] s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
- The morality of logfiles [was 'Wild west'] Jon A. Lambert
- The morality of logfiles [was 'Wild west'] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- The morality of logfiles [was 'Wild west'] Jon A. Lambert
- The morality of logfiles [was 'Wild west'] Jon A. Lambert
- The morality of logfiles [was 'Wild west'] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- The morality of logfiles [was 'Wild west'] Jon A. Lambert
- The morality of logfiles [was 'Wild west'] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- The morality of logfiles [was 'Wild west'] JC Lawrence
- The morality of logfiles [was 'Wild west'] Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- The morality of logfiles [was 'Wild west'] JC Lawrence
- Attributions vs brainstorming ( or, Z, DOWN FOR TH Jon A. Lambert
- Task Parsing Stephen Zepp
- Task Parsing Greg Munt
- Task Parsing Stephen Zepp
- Task Parsing Nathan Yospe
- Task Parsing JC Lawrence
- Task Parsing Stephen Zepp
- Mud Settings Greg Munt
- Mud Settings Jon A. Lambert
- Mud Settings Greg Munt
- Mud Settings Ling
- Mud Settings Stephen Zepp
- Mud Settings Vadim Tkachenko
- Mud Settings Marian Griffith
- Mud Settings JC Lawrence
- Mud Settings Travis Casey
- Mud Settings JC Lawrence
- Mud Settings Travis Casey
- Mud Settings Mike Sellers
- Mud Settings Matt Chatterley
- Mud Settings JC Lawrence
- UO's External Chat Programs [was 'Wild west'] Greg Munt
- UO's External Chat Programs [was 'Wild west'] Koster, Raph
- Time travel and Logging Jon A. Lambert
- Time travel and Logging JC Lawrence
- Time travel and Logging Ola Fosheim Grøstad
- Time travel and Logging Jon A. Lambert
- Time travel and Logging JC Lawrence
- Time travel and Logging Ling
- Time travel and Logging Koster, Raph
- Time travel and Logging Jon A. Lambert
- Time travel and Logging JC Lawrence
- Task Parsing (repost for format) Stephen Zepp
- AI Nodes (was: Attributions vs brainstorming ...) s001gmu@nova.wright.edu
- AI Nodes (was: Attributions vs brainstorming ...) Jon A. Lambert
- Commercial value of RP JC Lawrence
- Commercial value of RP Jon A. Lambert
- Commercial value of RP Travis Casey
- Commercial value of RP Brandon Cline
- Commercial value of RP Mike Sellers
- Commercial value of RP Travis Casey
- Commercial value of RP Travis Casey
- Commercial value of RP Koster, Raph
- Commercial value of RP Mike Sellers
- Commercial value of RP Miroslav Silovic
- Commercial value of RP Mike Sellers
- Commercial value of RP Jon A. Lambert
- Commercial value of RP Ling
- Commercial value of RP JC Lawrence
- Commercial value of RP Koster, Raph
On Tuesday, January 06, 1998 7:18 AM, JC
Lawrence[SMTP:claw@under.Eng.Sun.COM] wrote:
> > On 29 Dec 97 at 13:39, JC Lawrence wrote:
>
> >> Something that just struck me is that all the commercial
> >> representatives we have on the list seem to espouse their games
as
> >> being RP games, and discuss their values in terms of the RP
values
> >> generated by their games.
Jon A Lambert<jlsysinc@ix.netcom.com> then engaged in some back n
forth which I've snipped to get to the next bit:
> Yes, but I'm looking at the more specific point that all of our
> (active) commercial members strongly espouse the traditional RP
values
> of their games (ie immersive story based strongly characterised etc
RP)..
> JeffK was particularly vehement in this regard, tho Raph and Mike
> also seem to concentrate on the traditional RP value set. Even Dr
Cat
> (rarely seen here alas) would seem to be pushing a traditional RP
> positioning for his game per his web pages.
Jeff was indeed quite vehement on it, in that his game is actually
attempting (noble attempt indeed but boy, scary in a commercial sense)
to model tabletop AD&D gaming to the smallest detail they can manage.
Yikes.
Dr Cat is from a MUSH background, and Furcadia is very clearly a
FurryMUCK in graphics, in many ways. So I'd go beyond "seems to be
pushing." :)
> I don't think this clustering of even this tiny sized sample is
> accidental. I doubt (see below) that the list's sample of the
> commercial game population is somehow skewed or weighted toward the
RP
> side. Instead the weighting appears to be a feature of the current
> state of the commercial MUD market offerings, and I'm very curious
as
> to __WHY__ there is that level of agreement on a game style point
that
> would seem on the face of it to have little mass market appeal (or
> does it?).
Well, there's some background there that's slightly off topic. RPGs in
the recent past have been considered to be poor commercial moneymakers
on PCs. They do phenomenally well in Japan and on consoles, but there
are significant design differences between paper RPG, console RPG,
computer RPG, what I'll call "Moria-style" RPGs, and muds. (Quite
aside from the multiplayer aspect). Console RPGs are highly linear
story games, with occasional tactical combat interludes. (Often
irritatingly FREQUENT tactical combat interludes, but whatever. :)
They sell very well in their market precisely because of storyline.
However, computer RPGs (henceforth CRPGs), while far more linear than
paper RPGs or Moria-style games or muds, are traditionally less
linear. This is probably because of mere tradition. There is virtually
no crossover between console and crpgs--very few ports, etc, despite
what would seem market interest. And when the ports do happen, they
generally don't do all that well. A console rpg would probably be more
likely labeled an "adventure game" by the PC gaming media...
> Wouldn't a 3D graphical yada yada version of a standard
hack'n'slash
> (DIKU?) seem to have a more instant commercial appeal, or is it
> because those 3D graphical DIKU's are really games like Diablo
which
> we've all tacitly agreed are not MUDs?
Diablo is essentially a nice graphical version of
Hack/Rogue/Moria/Angband without around 1/100th the features and
depth. It nonetheless has collected an impressive array of awards for
RPG of the year. It also thus managed to validate the RPG genre in the
recent past, and now people think it can make money again. (Literally
a year or two ago, magazines tried to pick the top ten RPGs and found
there were only three released in the year. Next year, there's
probably a dozen major ones).
Yes, a more simplistic combat-oriented game would probably attract a
wider audience. I'd note that all the basic elements of Diku-style
combat are present in both M59 and UO. However, attracting the wider
action-oriented market demands faster "twitch" response time which
just isn't feasible over the general Internet yet at any large scale.
So we couldn't really reach the mass market with that anyway.
One factor which really should not be ignored is that the folks who
developed UO and M59 and others are mudders, and therefore their work
is evolutions of muds. :) That may account for some of the design
emphasis you perceive.
> The lutefisk is starting to smell funny in Denmark. Why?
>
> > I do believe that some of those in commercial ventures do value
RP
> > highly enough to move their games strongly away from the arcade
> > style of play like Quake. However, the extreme end (which Ola
> > called role-acting) that exists on many Mushes like Amber and
others
> > is not commercially viable.
>
> <nod>
And it will be interesting to see how much Furcadia therefore remains
a chat-oriented environment, as opposed to a role-acting environment.
> > It's a smaller slice of the RP market.
> > Of course I could be wrong, the sheer numbers of customers on the
> > internet could make this slice commercially viable if marketed
> > right. A way I could see this happening is someone with a very
> > successful commercial game establishing secondary games for
> > "hardcore" role-players and game-players.
> Quite the problem is publicity. Given a large enough population
sheer
> numbers might make it viable. The problem is ensuring that your
heavy
> RP game i know of by your potential heavy RP players. As we all
know,
> the 'net and Web are ideally organised and cross-indexed media for
> ensuring that all 'net users have instant and ready access to
whatever
> services match their whimsical criteria...
Two factors here:
1) the computer game industry demands a very high return on
investment. :P Way higher than a mature industry does. And RPGs have
historically been expensive to develop in terms of manpower and time
because of conversations, quests, etc etc. Online RPGs can minimize
some of this, but add in of course all the online factors, which are
considerable.
2) You won't get just heavy RP players even if you advertise only for
said target market. We know this from muds, and we see the same story
repeated in the commercial ventures. As we all know, it is extremely
difficult to maintain an RP environment short of interviewing every
player as they first connect.
> > I think if you, JCL, sold your server concept to someone, it
would
> > likely get marketed as a role-playing game. <hehe>
>
> <nod>
Actually, it probably just wouldn't get made. :( Which makes me echo,
> O! The shame!
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