September 2004

• Tuplespaces and MUDs J C Lawrence
• • Tuplespaces and MUDs Matt Cruikshank
  • • Dragon Empires is cancelled dienw
    • • Dragon Empires is cancelled ceo
      • • Dragon Empires is cancelled Jim Purbrick
      • Dragon Empires is cancelled OWEN, Matt, FM
      • • Dragon Empires is cancelled Alex Arnon
        • Dragon Empires is cancelled Dana V. Baldwin
      • Dragon Empires is cancelled Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • Room for more? (was Dragon Empires is cancelled) Michael Sellers
        • • Room for more? (was Dragon Empires is cancelled) Lee Sheldon
          • • Room for more? (was Dragon Empires is cancelled) Tamzen Cannoy
            • Room for more? (was Dragon Empires is cancelled) Damion Schubert
            • • Room for more? (was Dragon Empires is cancelled) Lee Sheldon
              • Room for more? (was Dragon Empires is cancelled) zgj22@drexel.edu
        • Dragon Empires is cancelled Jim Purbrick
    • Tuplespaces and MUDs Alex Arnon
  • Tuplespaces and MUDs Zach Collins (Siege)
  • Tuplespaces and MUDs ceo
  • Tuplespaces and MUDs Jim Purbrick
  • Tuplespaces and MUDs Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• Out of Office AutoReply: Distributed State Systems John Borland
• "flat" power treadmill [was: Casual Crowd vs.Time Rich Crowd] HRose
  Raph Koster wrote:
  
  > I think we can agree that designing a game that discourages
  > players from playing regularly is probably a bad idea (at least in
  > terms of mass acceptance--some games, like turn based games, PBEM,
  > etc, have some flex here). Designing a game which allows players
  > not to HAVE to play regularly, however, seems desirable.
  
  I agree here. I was attacking the idea because there are games going
  in this direction. For example Eve-Online has an advancement system
  (aside the money) that is time-based and really just requires you to
  log in from time to time, start train a skill and log off.
  
  So a more interesting point is surely about *how* we give depth to a
  game without requiring the player to play as much as they are able
  to. This is an inner problem for every power treadmill that has the
  result of producing gaps between the players. It's an interesting
  design problem for one of the core issues about mmorpgs and the
  "mass market".
  
  But the context of the discussion was different. The context was
  that, from the money perspective, it's better to have the players in
  the game as little as possible to spare on the bandwidth costs. In
  this case the players and the gameplay aren't anymore the reason of
  the design and it's where the situation becomes "dangerous". Because
  a possible result with this strategy isn't good and won't be
  successful.
  
  >> I have many design ideas on how to solve the problem about
  >> "Casual Crowd vs.Time Rich Crowd" and they are along the lines
  >> of creating different structures inside the game where
  >> different players have different roles and goals. Where casual
  >> players have a specific role and goal and where time rich
  >> crowds have another. And the *key* is about giving them
  >> different roles but making they play *together* with the same
  >> general goal.
  
  > The difficulty here is that is the roles have contributions to the
  > goal inversely proportionate to the time investment required, that
  > people will start to cross the roles in search of maximum
  > return. The time-rich players will take on the casual roles
  > because they offer greater reward for time invested. And if the
  > casual roles do NOT offer greater reward for time invested, then
  > they will not feel rewarding to the casual players either, who
  > will compare themselves to the time-rich players and cry foul.
  
  > The difficulty would be sharing a given metric across both
  > roles--and if there is a shared goal, there will most certainly be
  > some form of shared metric. I'd tend to approach this in terms of
  > orthognal but equally valid goals, ideally with interesting
  > intersections.
  
  I find hard to keep reasoning on an abstract level. While writing I
  was thinking to a particular PvP model where the players have access
  to different ranks and roles based on a treadmill. These ranks and
  roles define how you play in the same battle but allow each player
  to still group together and play in the same situation. What isn't
  considered is the strict "power difference". An higher rank doesn't
  gain more powerful skills for himself (so that he could be able to
  kill more easily a lower rank in a 1vs1 battle). Instead it just
  gains access to a different role and specific gameplay.
  
  The point is that a casual player can join the battle even if still
  at the bottom of the treadmill. This won't mean that he'll be
  uneffective or forced in an unfun role. The gameplay can still be
  designed to be fun for everyone but different for various
  players. As it happens when you have different classes in a group: a
  different role for each player but within the same situation.
  
  In my more specific idea a greater rank actually IS more
  powerful. But the power works inside a battle system where we can
  build a group of ten players and only *one* of those ten can be
  designed as a General and so with a specific set of powers. In this
  case you can go through a treadmill and become a general yourself
  but:
  
  1- You'll never reach a point where EVERYONE MUST be a
  general. Because there will be only 1 each 10 players. Designed by
  them in a specific situation.
  
  2- Whoever doesn't have the time to "apply" for that position will
  keep enjoing the game in that precise moment and will still have
  an advancement system to pursue but not where he is *forced* to
  go.
  
  This is similar to the point above: "Designing a game which allows
  players not to HAVE to play regularly" but still rewards you when
  you do.
  
  A possibility without an obligation.
  
  The idea just came out from observing the actual organization of
  mmorpgs. In raids there are always leaders. These leaders have
  obviously an high time investment into the game but their characters
  are still powerful as any other player. What I did with my idea is
  to institutionalize what already was happening adding gameplay depth
  to the system.
  
  I'd love to read some opinions about this because it's part of the
  ground of my "dream mmorpg" and I want to know how solid or possible
  is what I planned.
  
  P.S. Just to explain better from a different perspective. Think
  to a traditional mmorpg where you can choose various
  classes/races. The system is simply built so that you have only
  "x" classes/races unblocked as you open an account. But if you max
  out one, gain "x" numbers of special points (treadmill based on
  the endgame, after you maxed out your power), you are able to
  "unblock" a new race or class that can bel cool but still not more
  powerful or effective than what you played till that moment. This
  means that in the game there's a reward but this reward isn't
  REQUIRED.
  
  My battle system for PvP goes even beyond this. In fact you will
  be able to "unblock" ranks and roles in PvP. But you don't
  automatically gain everything. Instead in each specific situation
  you can be "choosed" to be a general or remain a normal player.
  
  -HRose / Abalieno
• Cognitively Interesting Combat Mike Rozak
• DGN/TECH: exploiting/hacking in MMOGs - sources of info?
• • DGN/TECH: exploiting/hacking in MMOGs - sources of info? Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • DGN/TECH: exploiting/hacking in MMOGs - sources of info? Douglas Goodall
  • DGN/TECH: exploiting/hacking in MMOGs - sources of info? John MacQueen
  • • DGN/TECH: exploiting/hacking in MMOGs - sources of info? HRose
    • • DGN/TECH: exploiting/hacking in MMOGs - sources of info? ceo
      • DGN/TECH: exploiting/hacking in MMOGs - sources of info? Tim Schubert
    • DGN/TECH: exploiting/hacking in MMOGs - sources of info? Damion Schubert
    • • DGN/TECH: exploiting/hacking in MMOGs - sources of info? Mike Rozak
      • DGN/TECH: exploiting/hacking in MMOGs - sources of info? Daniel.Harman@barclayscapital.com
      • • DGN/TECH: Implementing server side spatial partitiong was:(exploiting/hacking in MMOGs - sources of info?) William Leader
        • • DGN/TECH: Implementing server side spatial partitiong was:(exploiting/hacking in MMOGs - sources of info?) Alistair Milne
          • • DGN/TECH: Implementing server side spatial partitiongwas:(exploiting/hacking in MMOGs - sources of info?) John Buehler
            • • DGN/TECH: Implementing server side spatial partitiong James Turner
            • DGN/TECH: Implementing server side spatial partitiong was:(exploiting/hacking in MMOGs - sources of info?) Bruce Mitchener
            • DGN/TECH: Implementing server side spatial partitiong was:(exploiting/hacking in MMOGs - sources of info?) HRose
          • DGN/TECH: Implementing server side spatial partitiongwas:(exploiting/hacking in MMOGs - sources of info?) John Buehler
        • DGN/TECH: exploiting/hacking in MMOGs - sources of info? Per Vognsen
• PHP Mud Jones, Channing
• • PHP Mud Chris
  • • PHP Mud ceo
    • PHP Mud Michael Tindal
  • Anyone remember this thesis? Scott Jennings
  • • Anyone remember this thesis? Paul Schwanz
• SOC Roll play vs. Role play Matthew Rick
• • SOC Roll play vs. Role play Zach Collins (Siege)
  • SOC Roll play vs. Role play darksuit
  • SOC Roll play vs. Role play richard@kavir.org
  • SOC Roll play vs. Role play Christopher Allen
• Fwd: Distributed State Systems Alex Arnon
• • Fwd: Distributed State Systems Michael Tindal
• Decision making... J C Lawrence
• • Decision making... Mike Rozak
  • • Decision making... Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • Decision making... Byron Ellacott
      • • Decision making... Rayzam
        • • Decision making... Matt Mihaly
          • • Decision making... Rayzam
          • Decision making... Mike Rozak
        • Decision making... Kalle
    • Decision making... Jason Messer
    • Decision making... Douglas Goodall
    • • Decision making... Mike Rozak
    • Decision making... Byron Ellacott
  • Decision making... Tess Lowe
  • Decision making... ceo
  • Decision making... Douglas Goodall
  • Decision making... David Kennerly
• Separating newbies and oldbies Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• • Separating newbies and oldbies HRose
  • • Separating newbies and oldbies Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
• • Removing the almighty experience point... Adam Burr
  • • Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
    • • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
      • • Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
        • • Removing the almighty experience point... Sean Middleditch
          • Removing the almighty experience point... Michael Hartman
          • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
        • Removing the almighty experience point... HRose
        • • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
          • • Removing the almighty experience point... Ola Fosheim Grøstad
            • Removing the almighty experience point... HRose
            • • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
              • • Removing the almighty experience point... brian@thyer.net
                • • Removing the almighty experience point... Paul Schwanz
                  • • Removing the almighty experience point... asteroid@rocketmail.com
                    • • Removing the almighty experience point... Byron Ellacott
                      • • Removing the almighty experience point... Kiztent Hatepriest
                        • • Removing the almighty experience point... Johan
                          • • Removing the almighty experience point... Kiztent Hatepriest
                            • Removing the almighty experience point... Amanda Walker
                            • • Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                              • • Removing the almighty experience point... Ben Hawes
                                • • Removing the almighty experience point... Johan
                                  • Removing the almighty experience point... Johan
                                  • • Removing the almighty experience point... Ben Hawes
                                  • Removing the almighty experience point... Amanda Walker
                                  • • Removing the almighty experience point... Sean Kelly
                                    • • Removing the almighty experience point... John Buehler
                                    • Removing the almighty experience point... Damion Schubert
                                  • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
                              • Removing the almighty experience point... Damion Schubert
                        • Removing the almighty experience point... Johan
                • Removing the almighty experience point... Travis Casey
                • • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
                  • • [SPAM] Removing the almighty experience point... Dana V. Baldwin
                    • • [SPAM] Removing the almighty experience point... J C Lawrence
                      • [SPAM] Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
                      • • [SPAM] Removing the almighty experience point... Dana V. Baldwin
                    • Removing the almighty experience point... ceo
                    • • Removing the almighty experience point... Dana V. Baldwin
                • Removing the almighty experience point... ceo
                • • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
                  • • Removing the almighty experience point... Adam
                • Removing the almighty experience point... Bloo
                • • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
                  • • Removing the almighty experience point... Sean Kelly
                    • • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
                      • • Removing the almighty experience point... Sean Kelly
                        • • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
                        • Removing the almighty experience point... Morgan Dodge
                        • Removing the almighty experience point... Douglas Goodall
                        • Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                        • • Removing the almighty experience point... Ben Hawes
                          • Removing the almighty experience point... neild-mud@misago.org
                    • Removing the almighty experience point... Damion Schubert
                • Removing the almighty experience point... John Buehler
                • • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
                  • • Removing the almighty experience point... David Wright
                    • • Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
                      • • Removing the almighty experience point... David Wright
                    • Removing the almighty experience point... John Buehler
      • Removing the almighty experience point... Tim Schubert
  • Removing the almighty experience point... Devin Smoth
  • • Removing the almighty experience point... zgj22@drexel.edu
    • • Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
      • • Removing the almighty experience point... Jason Messer
        • • Removing the almighty experience point... Michael Hartman
          • • Dealing with lag (Removing the almighty experience point...) Jason Messer
  • Removing the almighty experience point... cruise
  • • Removing the almighty experience point... Devin Smoth
    • • Removing the almighty experience point... brian@thyer.net
      • • Removing the almighty experience point... Devin Smoth
        • • Removing the almighty experience point... Otis Viles
          • Removing the almighty experience point... brian@thyer.net
          • • Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
        • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
        • • Removing the almighty experience point... brian@thyer.net
          • • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
  • Removing the almighty experience point... Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • Removing the almighty experience point... brian@thyer.net
  • • Removing the almighty experience point... neild-mud@misago.org
    • • Removing the almighty experience point... Sean Middleditch
      • • Removing the almighty experience point... neild-mud@misago.org
        • • Removing the almighty experience point... Sean Middleditch
        • Removing the almighty experience point... richard@kavir.org
        • • Removing the almighty experience point... Sean Middleditch
    • Removing the almighty experience point... Corey Cauble
    • • Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
    • Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
    • • Removing the almighty experience point... brian@thyer.net
      • • Removing the almighty experience point... Ben Hawes
        • • Removing the almighty experience point... Brian Hook
          • • Removing the almighty experience point... Ben Hawes
            • • Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
          • Removing the almighty experience point... brian@thyer.net
          • Removing the almighty experience point... Bloo
          • • Removing the almighty experience point... ceo
            • • Removing the almighty experience point... Ola Fosheim Grøstad
  • Removing the almighty experience point... richard@kavir.org
  • • Removing the almighty experience point... Hans-Henrik Staerfeldt
  • Removing the almighty experience point... Corey Crawford
  • • Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
    • • Removing the almighty experience point... Freeman, Jeff
      • • Removing the almighty experience point... HRose
        • • Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
  • Removing the almighty experience point... Mike Shaver
  • Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
  • Removing the almighty experience point... Mike Rozak
  • • Removing the almighty experience point... Zach Collins (Siege)
    • Removing the almighty experience point... Vincent Archer
    • • Removing the almighty experience point... Mike Rozak
    • Removing the almighty experience point... Will Jennings
    • • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
      • • Removing the almighty experience point... Travis Casey
        • • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
        • Removing the almighty experience point... Damion Schubert
    • Removing the almighty experience point... P J
    • • [SPAM] Removing the almighty experience point... Dana V. Baldwin
  • Removing the almighty experience point... P J
  • Removing the almighty experience point... Will Jennings
  • Removing the almighty experience point... Mike Rozak
  • • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
    • • Removing the almighty experience point... Amanda Walker
    • Removing the almighty experience point... Miroslav Silovic
    • • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
      • • Removing the almighty experience point... Miroslav Silovic
        • • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
          • • Removing the almighty experience point... Miroslav Silovic
            • • Removing the almighty experience point... Mike Rozak
              • • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
                • • Removing the almighty experience point... Miroslav Silovic
                  • • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
                    • • Removing the almighty experience point... Miroslav Silovic
              • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
              • • Removing the almighty experience point... Miroslav Silovic
                • • Removing the almighty experience point... Matt Mihaly
• Griefer repellant (Was Decision making...) Mike Rozak
• • Griefer repellant (Was Decision making...) Chek Yang FOO
  • • Griefer repellant (Was Decision making...) Ola Fosheim Grøstad
    • • Griefer repellant (Was Decision making...) Corey Cauble
      • • Griefer repellant (Was Decision making...) Damion Schubert
    • Griefer repellant (Was Decision making...) Mike Rozak
    • • Griefer repellant (Was Decision making...) Chek Yang FOO
• State of Play Conference Invitation Noveck, Beth
• BIZ: Breaking the VW marketing model Mike Rozak
• Has the circle gone rusty? (fwd) J C Lawrence
• • Has the circle gone rusty? (fwd) Chris
  • • Has the circle gone rusty? (fwd) Ren Reynolds
  • Has the circle gone rusty? (fwd) zgj22@drexel.edu
  • • Has the circle gone rusty? (fwd) Chek Yang FOO
    • • Has the circle gone rusty? (fwd) Paul Schwanz
• ClicheQuest J C Lawrence
• Putting the crawl to a halt David Johansson
• • Putting the crawl to a halt Vincent Archer
• Shift in time Brian Lindahl
• • Shift in time Peter A. Harkins
  • Shift in time Mike Rozak
  • • Shift in time Michael Sellers
    • Shift in time Arnau Rosselló Castelló
    • • Shift in time Robert Zubek
      • Shift in time Thomas Clive Richards
      • • Shift in time Mike Rozak
      • Shift in time Robert Zubek
      • Shift in time Amanda Walker
  • Shift in time Paolo Piselli
  • • Shift in time Damion Schubert
    • • Shift in time Paolo Piselli
      • • Shift in time Michael Sellers
  • Shift in time Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
  • • Shift in time Sunny Gulati
  • Shift in time Brian Lindahl
  • • Shift in time Matt Mihaly
    • • Shift in time Brian Lindahl
      • Shift in time Ola Fosheim Grøstad
• TCP/UDP/IP Offload NIC for gamers? Harlan Beverly
• • TCP/UDP/IP Offload NIC for gamers? Ben Greear
  • TCP/UDP/IP Offload NIC for gamers? Jay Moran
  • • TCP/UDP/IP Offload NIC for gamers? Harlan Beverly
    • • TCP/UDP/IP Offload NIC for gamers? Ben Greear
      • • TCP/UDP/IP Offload NIC for gamers? Harlan Beverly
      • TCP/UDP/IP Offload NIC for gamers? Jay Moran
      • • OpenTNL and DirectPlay (hardware acceleration) Harlan Beverly
        • • OpenTNL and DirectPlay (hardware acceleration) Brian Hook
          • OpenTNL and DirectPlay (hardware acceleration) Jeremy Noetzelman
          • • OpenTNL and DirectPlay (hardware acceleration) Harlan Beverly
          • OpenTNL and DirectPlay (hardware acceleration) Brett Bibby
        • BIZ: Gaming Hardware Startup, looking for good Gaming Business Development Person Harlan Beverly
        • • BIZ: Gaming Hardware Startup, looking for good Gaming Business Development Person
          • BIZ: Gaming Hardware Startup, looking for good Gaming Business Development Person Amanda Walker
          • • The Lag monster... Harlan Beverly
            • • The Lag monster... Matthew D. Fuller
              • The Lag monster... Kiztent Hatepriest
              • • The Lag monster... Kiztent Hatepriest
                • • The Lag monster... Sean Kelly
                  • • The Lag monster... Justin Randall
                    • • The Lag monster... Sean Kelly
                • The Lag monster... Harlan Beverly
              • The Lag monster... Amanda Walker
              • The Lag monster... lynx@lynx.purrsia.com
              • The Lag monster... Ola Fosheim Grøstad
      • TCP/UDP/IP Offload NIC for gamers? Byron Ellacott
• DGN/TECH: Implementing server side spatial partitioning William Leader
• • DGN/TECH: Implementing server side spatial partitioning Damion Schubert